Andy Cole - The best players aren't here
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Andy Cole is quite simply *"Outstanding"*
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Best foreigners were in Italy in the 90's and the players who were at the end came here. But there ain't many good player here.
+Jamie Lindsay 80's & early 90's in Italy
Memor Esto Italy was the place to be in 1990
Which 'best foreign players' is Cole talking about? Seria a has the best players: ronaldo, weah,zidane, maldini,baresi, nesta,cannavaro, thuram,batistuta,eel piero, vieri, veron, crespo, montella, zamarano, baggio,signore,Mancini, salas, djorkeaff, bergomi, David's, Inzaghi, boban, boksic, deschamps, bierhoff, amoroso, Simeone, almeyda,mijahlovic, Rui Costa, edmundo, and on and on we're in Italy, the over-the-hill 'foreign players' ie ravenelli, Zola, vialli, Di matteo, desailly etc... Who were still brilliant but either past or nearing the end of their prime came over, Zola didn't get selected for Italy for World Cup 98 for example.
Azzury Street no where near the serie a list mate
Rahma Mohammednur you forgot Nwanker Kanu too🙄
Rahma Mohammednur how many of them still play in series A?
He said the first two years of the Premier League which was 92-94.
Rose-tinted glasses from Cole a bit there when he's talking about the start of the Premier League. I'd say Serie A was ahead at that time - possibly others too. He's correct about at the moment though - Spain has most of the top players and the biggest clubs are Barcelona and Real Madrid (which has probably been the case for most of the time during the modern era). The next best is probably Bayern and then it is close after that between Juventus, Atletico, PSG, and a few others, some of them English. The top 6 in England are probably all in the top 20 in Europe but I'm not sure any of them are top 5 and definitely none of them are top 3.
Top 5 Ballon d'Or 1991-95
'91
1. Papin (Marseille)
=2. Matthaus (Inter)
=2 Pancev (Red Star)
=2 Savicevic (Red Star)
5. Prosinecki (Red Star/Real Madrid)
'92
1. Van Basten (Milan)
2. Stoichkov (Barcelona)
3. Bergkamp (Ajax)
4. Hassler (Roma)
5. Schmeichel (Man Utd)
'93
1. Baggio (Juve)
2. Bergkamp (Inter)
3. Cantona (Man Utd)
4. Boksic (Lazio)
5. M Laudrup (Barcelona)
'94
1. Stoichkov (Barcelona)
2. Baggio (Juve)
3. Maldini (Milan)
=4. Hagi (Barcelona)
=4. Brolin (Parma)
'95
1. Weah (Milan)
2. Klinsmann (Bayern)
3. Litmanen (Ajax)
4. Del Piero (Juve)
5. Kluivert (Ajax)
Champions League
'91 - Red Star
'92 - Barcelona
'93 - Marseille
'94 - Milan
'95 - Ajax
UEFA Cup
'91 - Inter
'92 - Ajax
'93 - Juventus
'94 - Inter
'95 - Parma
CWC
'91 - Man Utd
'92 - Werder Bremen
'93 - Parma
'94 - Arsenal
'95 - Real Zaragoza
Premier League started '92 (I think). Off the top of my head, I can't think of a time when I could genuinely say they had the most very top elite players. They have tons of internationals and some great players but very very few at the highest level - less than Serie A (then) and La Liga (now).
I respect Cole’s opinion but English football has always hyped its own footballers* the thing is, in the 90s and early 00s it’s always been behind Serie A and mid 00s and 10s it’s always been behind La Liga.
Completely agree that Serie A dominated the 90s, I would say mid 2000’s English teams had a purple patch of success and dominance with money being pumped into chelsea around that time, Arsenal having a very strong team and the Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo years at Utd, Barca changed the game in 2009 but I wouldn’t say La liga as a whole was stronger than the premiership.
The Italian league has historically been the greatest ever, they are in a slump now, but no comparison
@Inge Fossen true words. Nottingham Forest back to back European Cup trophies can back that up...
Umut hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. I think he's forgot about the infamous "umbrella formation".
Inge Fossen don’t forget Paul Ince at Inter
@Inge Fossen I agree with ye completely. If you think back to the England 90's teams. There was always only about half a dozen players who could have the technical ability to play abroad...
I still remember Gary Neville talking about Glenn Hoddle as England manager, saying the players weren't nowhere near the ability of the gaffer. Saying they were to embarrassed to even train in front of him
Absolutely spot-on.
why focus on getting the best foreign players instead of focusing on making the best players. this is the problem with epl. but i still love it
Dohh! You get them in and they improve oyr lot! Thought it was basics.
the PL in the 90's was pretty poor, just utd and arsenal were decent
+Jack Reilly agree PL clubs really started making impact in the CL in the late 1990s, problem is thats when Real madrids galacticos, bayern muncih and valencia also started to play well.
Andy Cole talking non sense here. Best Foreign players all went to Italy in the 90s then slowly made there way to England in 2000s. When Man Utd won the champions league in 99 most of that team was English and home grown!!!!!
Joshua Takacs. More like a quarter of that team was English, majority of that team were from other parts of Britain or Europe (excluding Dwight yorke)
He's right. When the PL started, I couldn't believe the likes of Ravenilli would leave Juventus to play for Middlesbrough. Lombardo (Sampdoria great) came to play for C.Palace, Gullit came and played for C.F.C, Kilnsman Spurs, Bergkamp AFC - etc. These were major names and major coups. Some of the names were past their best, but they obviously brought along with them a different culture and especially in terms of a diet.
For example, Roman Vega who played for Spurs (around 1996) once said that when he sat in the club canteen eating cereal, the English lads were still tucking into a full English breakfast on a match day morning. You just can't comprehend that now.
I think that Utd champions league win in 99 will always be more special than any english club win in Europe that superseded it given that the premier league at the time was not the strongest league in Europe, the team was predominantly British/Irish and the depth of class on the continent at that time was immense, they knocked out inter Milan, Juventus and Munich who were stacked full of talent.
It's amazing it was actually the complete opposite - it's only now that the top 5 English teams can attract top players from Europe and the world. In the 90's probably only United could attract foreign talent by virtue of having the most cash, but the remainder of the league was pretty much dominated by home grown players. As the 90's progressed, it wasn't uncommon to have 1 or 2 top quality players from Europe. The early 2000's is where we started to see the mix of players really start to accelerate, and even then, realistically it was again only United, Arsenal & Chelsea that were successful at attracting the marquee players. Clubs like Liverpool (whilst most of the team by this stage were international lplayers), they just weren't of the calibre of the likes of Zola, Viera, Henry, Berkamp, Van Nistelrooy (probably heaps more) right at that time. Rather from about 2005 onwards, the Premier League really started to see the benefits of it's passionate and dominant global brand - now I would say it's the superior league without doubt. Of course there's always exceptions (Messi, Ronaldo etc), but en mass, it's the EPL.
“A few years after the premiership started all the best foreign players came to England.” So mid 90s? What utter bollocks. Only had one Brazilian for starters
@Inge Fossen ye forgot about "King Cantona"
@Inge Fossen true that. But you can't deny that both men are ultimately french, therfore they are both foreign imports
UIIUIIU yes I was more than aware of Cantona’s Leeds period. I was born well before the formation of the ‘F.A Barclays Premiership’ which now goes by the name of the ‘Barclays Premier League’
You've got to deal with top players imported and success of clubs in international competitions, the two are intertwined. The Premier league has never had much more than a comparative flash at any type of dominance on the scale Cole is saying, The truth is there was a slow building process for all of that time that Cole's mentioning, leading to a sort of micro dominance perhaps between 2004/5 to about 2008/9 sort of of time.You might forgive him for remembering it differently, he had his success and played on as the wave increased. No more than 4 at best 5 years it was this MICRO golden era. It's worthy of note but i's insignificance is phenomenal when standing between Italy and Spain acroiss the last 3 decades or more. A micro golden era might be fair to talk about, nothing more but still nothing less. Champs league finishes in semi's and finals, LIverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United UEFA cup/Europa league finals from small teams like Middlesbrough and Fulham.
The Italian league had fallen through in a variety of ways, the English clubs were already good enough to compete with them in 99 up to 98 they were too much so in terms of competition it had already changed, but whilst the Italians were stagnating , they were, let nobody tell you otherwise. Leeds ROma 1998 game to 1999 games proves the point well. There standards were equalled in terms of competitiveness by English clubs they encountered at that time, YET.............,the Italians still had the worlds best players monopoly, even though they would be in for a tough ride if they faced English clubs,in that period, with lesser players bu a high energy game with enough to destabilize them.. and then the rest were tucked up in Spain, but it's true English clubs were competing for a little in this for some of the best players, yet Spain was already transitioning into a much more dominant golden era of having best players in numbers and success with top and middle clubs in European international tournaments, and as we can see with hindsight Spain have had a golden era worthy of taking over the mantle of Italian one mid 80s into the 90s. Its gone on for more than a decade or so Spains is about 2003 to until very very recently. Premier league lived in that trough between the two. Hence it was a micro golden era.
Germany had a micro one too perhaps in the last decade, Your looking at success of the clubs and the players. Its very clear Italy and Spain had a much longer stretch of this. Two large plateaus for Italy and Spain, but realistically the Prem went up and down fast. The reason is ironic too. The game all though a little different through that era Cole claims went up in terms of individual play, but the spirit and overall style, fast, energetic, fairly physical, end to end, fairly dynamic, irrational bullheaded often airborne collective way of playing the game stylistically, which was there of course before the Prem, still continued and still sort of does to this day, hence the world even though they know that it's not not the best league, ever, are quite prepared to watch it, because with good players that money can import and the traditional style of industrial football that has always been played in England, turns out to be quite an entertaining spectacle, and an exciting way to watch football. It's also the same reason they will never have the success for any length. Like Spain or Italy It's les thoughtful, comparatively less intellectual, and not rational enough to sustain success by style alone. It will never change.If the foreigners ever fuck off on mass, football will still be played in the same manner regardless with all the weaknesses and some of the strengths that this industrial football provides.
Andy Cole is I’ll god help him recover an he is talking about foreign players now coming to Man Utd or whoever to make them or any team better the best players
Rio is the only world class defender England has had in the last thirty odd years
John Terry too but yea... those two are in a class of their own.
Ashley Cole was world class
Sol Campbell was superb in his prime
When were all the best foreign players in the Premiership? Cole is such a casual with that statement
I think that time is now haha 2 years on the prem is the best league to be in and all the young talent is French and England the only thing the English league hasn't got is messi and Ronaldo that's it
Andy all the best players wanted to play for Barcelona and Madrid.
Rivaldo Ronaldo Ronaldinho Romario Roberto Carlos zidane.
Del pierro
World Standard was much better in 80s/90s than now
the problem with the English game is that we are not developing the youngsters born here, if we can do that then there is a chance.....
Why didn’t the Scottish league get a mention?🤣
Yaphet kotto from live and let die
Some players just don't like the English climate and lifestyle. Never been able to attract the best South American players. French and Scandinavian more so.
Premier league has never been the best league; like Roy Keane said, it's all hype.
@Inge Fossen yep and in truth the premier league might of toppled "Serie A" but not Real Madrid or Barcelona
@@RTM-SportsCOMPARE ONE LEAGUE WITH ANOTHER .NOYT WITH TWO TEAMS
Incorrect Andrew
Im inclined to agree with the legend, but the last thing this country needs is more foreign players! When the Premiership was the best, many of the most important players were actually English. When we dropped the next generation of natives, it was cos all that PC bullshit started and they just put any old foreigner in the team cos it was fashionable. Thats when the quality really dropped, in my opinion. The top foreign managers would come here after he said this though.
Why is cole so bloated?
Steroid treatment for kidney problems
He has kidney failure. Hope he gets better.
@@joen.8668 I heard he's doing "outstanding" now.
Horseshit. England got 5 teams in champs league.
What?? Premier league in the 90s was the worst league in Europe. It was known as the retirement home league for the foreign players. Italian league was by far the best in the 90s