Shadow Systems NEW CR920X - Not Reliable?
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Had a SS. Non-stop FTF and FTE. Sold it. Was told it takes about 500 rounds to be reliable. Have 5 Glocks. All worked great out of the box.
I've owned two SS pistols. Both of mine and ones several of my friends owned all had FTE/FTF issues LONG after they shot 500 rounds. After sending them back to SS twice, I sold both of mine and picked up stock Glocks, then kitted those out. They've been flawless over 3000 rounds each.
That’s not true. The ss should be reliable right away. Every other ss I have has been. The cr920x is another story. Ss talks about a break in period but that has nothing to do with reliability. They’ve talked about it in videos.
@@Berettaguy you're trying to say a firearm which clearly states in its manual there is a break in period for reliability that the break in period has nothing to do with reliability... the cope is real, I guess. And, honestly, I take what SS says in their videos with a grain of salt.
@@andrewjohnson6492 tell us youre not mechanically inclined without telling us youre not mechanically inclined.
@@HazardousRob you're right. I've just been an armorer for 20. GFYS
I went through the 200-round break-in of my MR920 Combat with 1 failure to go fully into battery on round 2 of the second magazine. Since then it has been 100% reliable with 4 different P-MAGs. The CR920 & CR920X however do not use standard Glock magazine design. This definitely looks like a magazine issue. The 15-round magazines for the CR920X is a brand new magazine. This may be a contributing factor.
I have an XR920P and got the first batch when it came out in March. After some initial issues (as any new gun off the assembly line) I now have well over 6000 rounds in it during nightly COF's. Absolutely zero problems. Much better than my G45 with Ramjet. All it needed was a green dot. Looking forward to the CR920XP.
SS MR920 was the only gun I’ve ever sent back for repairs. They made it right and the issues have been solved but I’ve never felt the same about it. Great gun to shoot and for the people that don’t have issues I totally understand the love for SS. Thanks for the honest video.
I’ve had issues with the canik mc9.
Canik sent me a new one but already had out of battery issues! Not even sure what to do with it at this point 🤷🏼♂️ very disappointed. I know this isn’t a canik just saying the gun I recently had issues with.thanks for the honest review because a lot
Of reviews are bs 👍🏼
I have an MR920P never had any failures or issues. Needed them to send me another tool to get my comp off that was it. Great customer service as well. I did shot only 124gr for the first 400 rds to break it in.
I’ve had 2 different shadow systems. Both failed constantly even after I had over 1k rounds in each. Both were kept cleaned and oiled. I traded both in for a Glock and have been 100% reliable since.
$800 brand new and I had the same problem. I was so excited when I heard about this gun. Went right to my lgs and ordered one. Unfortunately I hated it after one range trip. First off I got slide bite. The beaver tail isn’t as wide as the 43x. I had the same premature slide lock. Three different shooters. Left handed, right handed. One or two hands. Sent it to ss for repair. They sent it back saying they couldn’t duplicate it. Well it still does it and now they have it again. It’s been in their possession for 4 weeks and mine closer to 4 days.
I have a MR920 and a CR920 , a few issues on the first 100 rounds but after that 100% reliable.
My home range has banned all steel cased ammo from their range due to the high malfunction rates and the safety implications that come with it. I’d be interested to see how this firearm performs with even the cheapest brass cased ammunition. I don’t believe any test utilizing cheap Turkish or Yugoslavian surplus ammunition can realistically evaluate the performance the average American gun owner can expect from the firearm in question.
This is my 5th SS and I have over 1000 rounds through the others and around 500 on the 920x and all of mine have been 100% 🤷♂️
Shadow systems does say there is a break in period on the firearms around the 200 round mark. I don’t know where those failures occurred in the round count, but that could be the reason.
Initial thoughts is a weak slide stop lever or short spring in the lever, that gun shouldn't have left the factory. Bad batch of parts. No excuses for how expensive the gun is.
Edit: i didn't know it uses proprietary magazines, that could definitely be a factor.
The ejector angles live rounds to the left, I've never seen that causing an issue with feeding or locking open.
Had the same problem with mine. Thumb was not an issue, but changed grip slightly to a side/palm squeeze instead of push/pull and no failure to feed. I have 400+ rounds through the weapon, cleaned and lubed several times and had issues until I changed grip technique at 375 rounds. Grip does no affect the 43x I have but goes on the 920x
I appreciate you saving us hard earned dollars with these reviews. I can tell you have a technical background with your T&E and your words you chose. Thanks again.
I just sent my new Shadow Systems CR920X back for Shadow Systems for the 2nd time for the same problems. After firing several rounds, I would get repeated slide locks with the round failing to feed into the barrel by not going up the feed ramp into the barrel. Also the round was also leaning ever so slightly to the left. I too used fresh factory ammo, both FMJ and hollow points using the 2 15 round magazines that came with the gun. Both experienced numerous failure to feed, resulting in slide lock. I fired 325 rounds through the gun, well beyond the 200 rounds break-in period that Shadow Systems recommends. I sent the gun back to Shadow Systems for the first time, who replaced the barrel and the front sight because the sight had no functioning tritium in it. upon getting the gun back from Shadow Systems, I tested it again on the range, and again, experienced numerous failure to feed rounds into the barrel, resulted in slide locks. I disassembled the gun on the range to investigate, and observed the recoil spring had dislodged from the seating notch on the barrel. I repositioned the recoil spring back into the barrel notch, properly centered, reassembled the gun and again shot it. Again I had slide lock after firing a few rounds. I again disassembled the gun and again noticed the recoil spring was off center and was off to the right of the barrel. This happened consistently. I took numerous photos to document these problems and also had several on duty range officers verify the problems, I again sent the gun back to Shadow Systems with a detailed explanation of the problems I experienced and included numerous photos. I requested that this gun be replaced with a new pistol, and am awaiting a reply from Shadow Systems. Hopefully they will replace the gun with a new one soon.
I can verify everything you've said. For me, for 150 rounds were flawless and I truly LOVED the gun. The ergonomics and control all in a small and light package were awesome for me. It wasn't until I cleaned and oiled the gun and went back to the range that I started seeing issues. The next 200 rounds were a ton of premature slide locks (about 1-8 slide locks per magazine!). I shot 1 handed to be sure it wasn't my thumb hitting the the slide lever and it still happened. SS is sending me a new slide lever/spring assembly. Will see if this fixes the issue. Super bummed because I really want to love this gun but this is a BIG issue.
Can also confirm the issue where, when you disassemble, the recoil spring is off center of the barrel notch. Every Time!
@@williamreiley3Please keep us posted if the new spring assembly solves it!
@@trumpurace1635 it did not fix the issue. I did some extensive tinkering and, from what I’m seeing, the slide lock happens when a round moves too far forward in the magazine and knocks the slide lever up. So this could be an issue with the magazines. I’ve sent the gun in to shadow systems and they are looking into it. I will report back!
I had the same issue , currently SS has it in warranty, lets see what happens I went ahead and bought my first sig P365 axg legion 😢 I was the worst sig critic and now I’m in love and have mixed feelings about SS as my XR920 has been flawless
I’ve had mine for a month and I’ve had zero issues. 400+ rounds through it.
I shoot Idpa and a couple guys have bought Shadow Systems guns. Mixed results as far as reliability. One guys 19 size runs great. Hr said he had a few ftf within first 100rds. Other guy had a 43x size & sold it due to not running well.
When was the last time you saw that happen to a brand new Glock right out of the box? Me either. It doesn't matter how pretty it is if it doesn't work
This particular problem? Never. However I have had Glocks fail. Yes as a rule Glock is reliable but anyone who says they never have problems are liars or inexperienced.
@@Berettaguy I've seen Glocks fail too. Usually from abuse or high round counts or in one case, hand loaded 45 acp in a G21 that broke the firing pin. Anything mechanical, created by man can fail, but like you said, as a rule... There has to be millions of Glock videos out there, brand new out of the box and you just don't see this kind of thing. And I'm not a Glock fan boy. I only have 1 in the 30 handguns I own. But I do give Glock their due respect
So you've seen every single glock ever made be reliable? Sounds legit 😂
@@mattfillmore4808 Show me a thumbnail for a video where a gun reviewer pulls a brand new Glock out of the box and this happens. Anything man made can fail. Everyone knows that. But this video is embarrassing for the OEM
My MR920 WP is pretty sweet, can always get a glock but I definitely didn't go wrong picking SS.
I was super excited about this pistol until I bought one and have had non stop failures. Sent it back and still having failures. Now it’s back again getting looked at.
So many people here having problems is interesting. I have had mine basically since it came out and haven’t had any major issues. Shoots great and I trust it as my EDC. Also it’s interesting how many people complain about the price point while ignoring the fact that the base model is priced at ~599 including the optic cut and stippled frame. A 43X MOS is just under 500 stock. A good stipple job to match what you get with the shadow systems will run about 300-400.
The price is too high for the issues I've had. I replaced the shoe with a Ranger Proof Vex. The pmags that came with my DR920 were junk and the followers had issues properly traveling. When I switched to Glock mags the plastic they make the mag release out of is a softer plastic than the glock mags so around 500rds in they had eaten the mag release to the point they would fall out every few shots. Replaced that with a aluminum extended mag release no issues afterwards. My new problem now is the comp. I'm not lazy with cleaning but the design is just made to promote carbon build up. 3500rds in and I'm probably going to have to just shelf it forever they wont sell me a replacement comp for the dr920p and I'm almost past the point where a ball bit and a dremel can keep ensuring rounds clear the comp. The mag release and trigger issues aside I loved it at first it was comfertable and a nail driver even out to 100yds. But only having owned it since Nov. and having weekly issues for what I paid is unacceptable. I shouldn't buy a 1100 dollar pistol and have to do a full polish job, trigger job, mag release mod, and recoil spring adjustment to get it to be as reliable as the cheaper version it copied. I hope they get their shit together because USA needs to mean something again in the manufacturing world.
This is an odd malfunction. My first thought is maybe the slide lock is a little off and sticking too far inside the pistol allowing the bullet to hit it and make it activate, but the bullets sitting in the mag with a lean or tilt to the left is not something I have ever seen before. No clue beyond obtaining a second sample to see if those magazines display the same characteristic. Thanks for the video.
It's a very common one, usually caused by the shooter hitting it with his hand and pushing it up. Otherwise, the slide stop spring not being installed right has been the main cause otherwise though. The spring holds it down, so that don't happen... but being pushed up by something will still make it engage (otherwise it wouldn't work when pushed up by the magazine follower). With no spring pressure holding it down though, it can pop up from just the recoil of each shot.
Not my first time shooting a handgun, and I was thorough to verify that my thumb was not contacting the slide stop lever while firing. So, I feel comfortable eliminating that. And if it were installed improperly it would be extremely obvious (I was for many years a Glock armorer). I'm puzzled by it, and still hope that it works itself out.
@@JustinOpinionChannel There has to be a reason... and being so immensely simple, there's always a way to easily fix them. I would never consider a gun "unreliable" for this, even though I most certainly wouldn't use it as an EDC until it's fixed. Hope you figure it out. I'm no fan of Shadow Systems, but it seems unfair to consider a gun unreliable for such a simple, easily diagnosable/fixable failure.
@@deucedeuce1572as a guy who paid $800 for one brand new and having the same problem. It is unreliable and I will not carry it. It literally does not operate reliably as it should. Hence calling it unreliable. Why wouldn’t you carry it if you think it’s reliable?
Wow, not what I thought.
I have Glocks, have an SS MR920 Elite as well, and honestly, my SS does nothing that my Glock's cant do. I wont waste my money again, I'll just go Glock, as I have since buying my SS MR920.
your stock glock cant mount optics dierectly to the slide lol
@@HazardousRob so 🤣 I used a plate, no big deal. My MOS Glocks came with what was needed. Again, my SS does nothing my Glock's can't do. Waste of money IMO. Just buy a Glock.
You can say that about every other great manufacturer, so why buy glock or even SS for that matter? Personal preference.......
The trouble with Glocks has always been that they have never offered improvements to their guns to give folks an upgrade in features. Their plastic sights are crap, and once you start replacing crap, where do you stop?
150 of CCI 115 for my first break in period and no issues with mine, it is a little concerning now though
I have a feeling if shadow systems sent you this gun to test we wouldn’t be seeing any of these malfunctions.
You're welcome to think whatever you like.
One of my oldest sons buddies brought one over to his house few weeks ago, Glock 19 size, worst trigger I’ve ever felt in a Glock or a clone, I was surprised how bad it was
Just recently got a cr920x and am having the same issue
Don’t hesitate and sent it in to SS , I had the same disappointment and is currently at warranty
I wish Glock would just go ahead and release OEM 15 round mags for the 43X so we don't have to even look at other options. Then I wouldn't have to keep switching from my 43X to my 19 for daytime/nighttime carry.
Or just get a SIG Tacops Macro P365 and get a pistol that comes with 4 17 round magazines, optics ready, and comes with night sights out of the box! My next purchase. I have numerous Glocks, but I have decided that I am tired of their issues (plastic sights that break off easily, spongy triggers, no innovation). I like my Glocks for what they are, but they have been surpassed in the last few decades due to them being stagnant. God bless and have a great day. I recommend going to a rental range and trying out what they have to offer. It helped me greatly.
Boy am I glad I ran into your video just now… I am currently in the market for my first EDC. At first I was going to go with the Canik Mete MC9, but after doing some research, it’s failed owners more often than not. So then I said screw it, I’ll just go with Glock…
Then my coworker turned me on to the CR920X, I was quite impressed with it, but now I’m not so sure…
I think I’m just going to go with the G43X, unless anyone has an objection???
Check out a smith and Wesson shield plus 2.0 hold it in your hands
@@Ellienollie I’ll keep that in mind, thank you
Those Glock clones have a lot of nice features, but only Glock can make a Glock
I wanted the CR920 original. Then saw 10 videos of this same stuff. Also the break in excuses made me pass on all Shadow Systems. Sounds like Kimber.
You might not understand their point about the break in period. They are normally reliable out of the box. They just tell people that things change when you start shooting them. That’s with all manufacturers.
I have the exact same problem with my CR920X. I contacted Shadow Systems. They had me send it to them. They reported that they could not duplicate the issue and sent it back to me. Should have just bought a Glock!
The exact thing happen with me. Now they want me to send it back to them a second time. Spending $800 on a gun that I’ve only had in my possession 7 days max is ridiculous. Honestly thinking about selling it and getting a 43x
@@RyanBrown-ne7mqI’ve sent mine back for a second time. They still have it. I asked to get bumped to the front of the line this time. Well that apparently hasn’t happened.
They said they couldn’t duplicate it with mine. Sent it back. I got one mag through it ok and then every mag after had 1-2 lock backs
@@Berettaguy this is the email “I am sorry to hear that you are continuing to experience the issues with premature lockback. From what I can see in our technician's notes, the slide stop lever was replaced out of caution due to not being able to replicate this issue during live fire.
Have you attempted to fire the pistol one-handed to further troubleshoot this issue? We would recommend doing so, as this eliminates the possibility of inadvertently actuating the slide stop under live fire.
The best option that I can provide currently would be to bring the firearm in for a secondary evaluation. Any action that we take thereafter will entail needing the firearm here at our facility before we can move forward.
If the information you had provided previously is still current and valid, I can get another return label sent out to you for the firearm. Please let me know how you would like to proceed, and have a great day in the meantime.”
@@Berettaguy there’s no way in hell they didn’t have an issue when they “live fired” it. I put around 500 rounds through it total but once they sent it back to me I loaded 30 rounds and it locked back prematurely 7-8 times
My CR920 does the same thing and has for years. I’ve tried so many different things and nothing stops it. It might be my grip. That being said, I have many subcompact pistols and the CR920 is the only one I have problems with. It would be nice if someone would come out with a slide lock with a stiffer spring.
Selling my SS CR920X. Many FTF well over 400 rounds with all sorts of grains
Nice❤
I think nightwood guns had similar issues with his CR locking back.
Shadow Systems pistols have gotten a reputation for having their first release of a firearm having issues. It happens with any manufacturer. Glock included. That said, I ditched the two SS pistols I used to own and went back to Glock and just kitted them out to what I wanted.
Never had a problem with my mr920 over 500 rounds
Looks like your grip is causing it. Shot it left hand only and see if it still happens.
🤘 😁 🤘
I know you shouldn't have to but adjusting the magazine lips would probably fix it.
Thank you for your honesty. Couple questions: are these slide-locks happening after the factory recommended 150-200 round break-in? And have you contacted Shadow Systems?
Mine is well into 500 rounds with this issue. I sent it to SS and they returned it, stating they could not duplicate the problem. Problem still exists!
That companies can thrive by cloning an outdated design of a lawn chair manufacturer is amazing.
The original variation of this pistol was/is highly problematic as well. It would appear that they've done little to rectify that.
Mine is great after the break in of 550-600 rounds
All that money it better never jam and it did why get a clone when you can have the original that doesn't do that I don't get it it must be all about looks kind of like that hot girl but she's a hot dog down a hallway
Disappointing to see this, however I have several SS and the new XR920P with 800 rounds through it and it’s smoother and better shooter than any of my glocks. Their customer service is awesome and I have 100% faith they will make it right! They are an American company and I’ll continue to support them! Would like to hear about the cause of this and outcome. Thanks
I have two other ss pistols and love them. This one is ruining it for me. I get there’s a problem and was understanding. However they lost me with sending it back saying they couldn’t duplicate it and me continuing to have the problem. 3 different shooters. Left and right handed. 1 or 2 hands. I had an xr920p on my short list but not now.
@@BerettaguyI have the XR920P and have had zero issues with my copy and have at minimum 6K rounds through it. It is my EDC and highly recommend it. I haven’t tried anything else they offer tho. Of course I don’t need to since that one gun covers all my needs for a sidearm. My primary for home defense is my MK12 by Daniel Defense. Such a sweet package. I have other sidearms situated in strategic spots throughout my house and they are glocks. It’s easy finding hidy hole things for Glocks lol
If that's your thing, it's a neat Gucci-looking range toy, but I wouldn't carry that.
hmm interesting. I have one and it has been running like a clock. just using CCI 155g. I wonder if the metal part of the slide lock is bent out or tweaked slightly.
Appears to be a poor Mag design…. If it’s pointed left at rest it would probably be point further left or move more during firing. Though the spring in the stop could also be to weak to prevent recoil from forcing it up inadvertently…..
I don’t know why it locked open!? 😑*rides thumb on slide lock*
You’re kinda like Scootch with improved grammar
LOL
Soooch only says nice things. I wouldn’t buy a gun based on his videos.
I’ve seen glocks do the same thing with extended slide locks.
Extended slide stops are a problem with some people/guns. Easy to hit it under recoil. That’s not the case with this gun. I bought one and ss has it now for the second time. 3 different shooters. Left handed, right handed and one handed. All with problems
I sincerely hate when people call this gun a Glock clone. What it is, is a Glock upgrade. Big time. F Glock
Here is my take on this.Why buy a clone of the best handgun ever made?Get the real deal and never worry about problems,reliability or combat accuracy.Glocks run no matter what you do to them.I have carried a G19 since my unit was issued them in 1993,right before Somalia,and I carried that one until after my 2nd tour in Afghanistan when I finished my 20.I became a Trooper in my home state,and carried another 19 til I retired from that job after 17.I bought back 3 years from my service time to retire early.Glocks have never once failed me.Ever.Stick with the OG as the hood rats like to say.
😂 bunch of shadow systems haters on here. You say you’re not hitting the slide lock and I admit it looks like you aren’t contracting it just before the shot, however you might still be contracting it during recoil. You never shot the gun one handed to completely rule out your grip. I challenge you to uphold a short of your shooting one handed and see if you still have the malfunction.
Also, if it is an issue with the slide lock or magazine contact SS and they will send you a new one out.
It happens left handed, right handed. Three different shooters on mine. I can shoot 43x and dagger micro without this problem. Ss has my gun for a second time. I’m not a ss hater. I have xr920 and mr920. I wanted a xr920p next but they lost me when they sent the cr920x back with the same problem.
@@Berettaguy interesting that they couldn’t replicate it. I wonder if it’s an issue with the follower on your magazines and they are using their in house magazines to test. Have you purchased another magazine to if that fixes it?
I think the complete class agrees that it's a total turd.
My new Glocks:
G17C 9mm
G25 9x17 Kurz .380acp.
No such BS with either like that turd.
What did the S S factory rep tell you after this disaster ❓
Well that was disappointing.
I’ll stick with my Hellcat
Gun shop employee here. Your grip is 100% the issue. Also that trigger pull is laughable at rest. Glad you make content but seriously… brah
break-ins for guns is bullshit. if it's a quality and precisely made firearm, it should work straight from the dealer. unexcusable. if these idiots know magazines are for shit, they should've stuck with OEM glock magazines. but then again, how could they sell you a plastic gun with plastic magazines for double the price of a stock glock.
It’s not a break in thing. There’s an issue they need to fix. They could have replicated shield arms mags. Also all guns have a break in period. If you don’t think the adjust in the first couple hundred rounds, you’d be wrong. Especially the springs.
@@Berettaguy never had an issue with any of my glocks during the first couple hundred rounds. never.
This malfunction is not a true gun issue. The side like it happening because you have such a high grip, And during recoil hitting the slide lock. This is a known issue with the CR920. They use a weaker slide lock spring. Which is their own design and different from the Glock. It is a very reproducible issue if you flag your thumbs up and away from the slide lock, you will be able to run it flawless. Yes it is you and your grip that is causing the issue. Yes I own a CR 920 and I can shoot it without any issues. I can hand the same gun to my wife and she reproduces malfunction almost every time. I have it on slow motion video where you can actually see her manipulation of the slide lock causing the issue. yes I truly believe if they would change the spring tension to just a little bit more on the slide lock. It would fix the issue. You could also shoot it one-handed and it would also not malfunction
No thanks,,,,,,,,
Just buy a Glock not a Glock clone.
Exactly
I'm sorry but it is a pos pistol.
Yup
Yup. If you want a Glock...buy an actual GLOCK
I agree. Bought two for the price of one of these clones.
Shadow Systems way over rated. There triggers are in no way great again over rated. And what the last guy said, just buy a Glock.
100% your grip causing slide lock
Multiple malfunctions. No thank you! I’ll stick with Glock.
limp wristing??
Nope
Good morning, Justin and family. ☕️🥯🥓🧇💪🇺🇸💪. I wonder if the slide lock / slide release has got a 🤏🏻 bur on it cause it to lock back. Maybe part of shadow systems 200 round break in. 🤔🤷.
Just get a Cz P-10
A guntuber with an Apple watch makes you UNCOOL.
Glock is WAY BETTER & CHEAPER!!!! I NEVER have liked SS anyway
I think Glocks (and most other guns) are priced unfairly... so I think SS are ridiculously expensive. It costs $40 to make an OEEM Glock if all costs are counted (shipping, labor, insurance, electricity, machines/tools, chemicals, etc... etc...)... but by the time only 2 or 3 people make money on it, they make 1000% profit or even more between them. It's insane and unfair. It is why gun companies fight so hard to keep gun laws on the books. They want to be able to make the most profit from each and every one they sell. It also stops most people from being able to make their own firearms and selling them for a fair price. (Same with suppressors also).
Glocks are overrated garbage. Too many firearm manufacturers who make a better pistol now
Glock is a good gun,but some people want more. Shadow Systems is a great company and it does some stuff people are not aware of.
Glock couldn’t keep up with the times. There’s better options now. If they work this out, I’d rather have this. I believe it’s the spring on the slide lock and should be a simple tweak. With that said. Ss had mine for the second time.
First
You win!
Tell your wife that all the time?
@NightwoodGuns
I have an MR920P never had any failures or issues. Needed them to send me another tool to get my comp off that was it. Great customer service as well. I did shot only 124gr for the first 400 rds to break it in.