Madagascar: Dicing With Death | Deadliest Journeys | Documentary

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  • čas přidán 10. 08. 2020
  • In Madagascar, “rosewood” is at the heart of everyone's desire. For illegal loggers, the last trees in the country are the main source of their income; coveted trees are the last on earth. In Masoala, a villager leads a team of five lumberjacks, the “festy festy”, “les petits malins”. For 5 euros a day, they have to face the torrential rains, mud, mosquitoes and oppressive heat. They have to descend from the mountain a log of nearly 500 kilos for three days. A grueling journey. To transport “the rosewood” safely, these men risk their lives in the rapids. This is the most dangerous moment in transport. Before they can use canoes, carriers must pass the rapids with rafts. The logs are then sent to China. In Madagascar, poverty drives thousands of peasants to the south of the island, "Ilakaka", the largest deposit of sapphires in the world. For ten years, this Malagasy "Eldorado" has attracted students, the unemployed, taxi drivers, a whole population of underprivileged people who come to seek their fortune. As far as the eye can see, the ocher earth has been dug by hand , a multitude of manholes approximately 1 meter in diameter. Ilakaka, anyone can try their luck, all it takes is a shovel, a pickaxe and a lot of luck. To find precious stones, a miner goes blind down the well, digs, fills buckets that another man brings to the surface by a rope. All that remains is to pass this land through a sieve to hope to find the precious stone. It’s simple, but dangerous. Problems arise as soon as the shafts are a dozen meters deep and the miners decide to dig the galleries horizontally, without shoring. In this Gruyere that the region has become, collapses are very frequent and, regularly, minors do not come to the surface!
    Director: Daniel Lainé, David Geoffrion
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Komentáře • 396

  • @Afuru1
    @Afuru1 Před 3 lety +57

    That 1999 Toyota Hilux engine gets completely submerged and ready to run again in a few hrs. That's impressive.

    • @danielcrowley6518
      @danielcrowley6518 Před rokem +1

      Ain't it....

    • @joy7218
      @joy7218 Před rokem +1

      To new Toyota... Is no match😔

    • @TeamKilla1985
      @TeamKilla1985 Před rokem +3

      Ever seen top gear?

    • @misfit7024
      @misfit7024 Před rokem

      He had to drain the engine oil though to check for contamination.
      Oil+muddy water= brown marshmallow

    • @lpe655
      @lpe655 Před rokem +1

      Check out what Whistlin Diesel puts a Hilux through. Only a Helicopter drop could kill one!

  • @rdooski
    @rdooski Před 3 lety +28

    What a crazy episode. The things these people have to do for survival is unreal. And those mines were a nightmare. The cameraman and that toyota get some huge props from me.

    • @PAULLONDEN
      @PAULLONDEN Před 2 lety +3

      Thumbs up for the camera man indeed , I think he was sensible enough to ask a miner to take a smartphone down in the mine.

  • @subhdeepdas
    @subhdeepdas Před 3 lety +49

    Can we all just take a moment and thank the cameramen for their hard work and brave gesture. Wow i cant even imagine how tough was to film these footages.

  • @maxaguilar215
    @maxaguilar215 Před 3 lety +17

    Excellent documentaries, all of them. We are in our houses, with air conditioner and beers, watching the real world and the real people struggling with their enviroment to make a living.

    • @psychoweasel6157
      @psychoweasel6157 Před rokem

      Yeah
      We ought to be ashamed of our houses because they are too stupid to build a bridge 🙄

  • @ladyfame1430
    @ladyfame1430 Před 3 lety +11

    I am so claustrophobic that I couldn’t even watch the mining section of the video, As soon as he started to go down the hole in the camera give a shot of the angle looking up I struggled with my own breathing and I just am just watching! I don’t know how you guys do it my prayers for anyone who goes down any small space.

  • @Datadog-1
    @Datadog-1 Před 11 měsíci +4

    I love this narrator so much

  • @russellking9762
    @russellking9762 Před rokem +3

    once again a testament to the toughness of the Toyota Hilux and to the resilience of these people who make do with what little they have…no moaning or whinging and whining …just get on with it…and keep smiling..another great doco…keep em coming

  • @sidecarural
    @sidecarural Před 3 lety +51

    These are some of the very best documentaries on YT. Really first class job. Very well done video and comments. 👌👌👌👌👌

    • @rexfknwetzel7162
      @rexfknwetzel7162 Před 3 lety

      Preach bro,you are correct

    • @PAULLONDEN
      @PAULLONDEN Před 3 lety

      Indeed , I keep coming back to them , don't mind seeing them three times . There's so much to take in .

    • @kmuinde
      @kmuinde Před 3 lety

      I love them, make some of us appreciate how lucky we are and never take things for granted

    • @Bassmasterwitacaster
      @Bassmasterwitacaster Před 3 lety

      I enjoy the atse of humane fleshy

    • @Bassmasterwitacaster
      @Bassmasterwitacaster Před 3 lety

      Come ans r8de with me brother

  • @Beeautifullifefarm
    @Beeautifullifefarm Před 3 lety +12

    That wood is beautiful, there are a few farms but the stuff they produce will never replace what was taken

  • @ryanbruckhart1284
    @ryanbruckhart1284 Před 3 lety +23

    That Toyota truck driver needs sponsorship from Toyota, itself, because in that country, the driver must be tough, but his vehicle must be tougher

  • @rupakchakrabarti112
    @rupakchakrabarti112 Před rokem +14

    Toyota, sapphire, rosewood......a fabulous fusion. Videography , commentary and background score.....all are outstanding.
    The daily struggle of the people here is beyond any comment. Still the innocent smile in their faces is just divine.
    Deep respect for all of them from india. 🙏

  • @jamesgreene4811
    @jamesgreene4811 Před 3 lety +11

    I'm a 45 year old Irishman this is a picture of my son have always loved this videos

  • @goldyempiremusic
    @goldyempiremusic Před 3 lety +8

    HAVE RESPECT for TOYOTA it UNBELIEVABLE GOOD

  • @julietkeku3247
    @julietkeku3247 Před 3 lety +20

    Can we just give credit to the camera man...like how does he do that, wow

  • @bobsingh7949
    @bobsingh7949 Před 3 lety +4

    I love these. I love thinking about the logistics and strategies needed to put in lasting improvements. It provides excellent thought workouts. And the infrastructural differences between my home and many other nations.

  • @solohoh
    @solohoh Před 3 lety +5

    I used to own a 1972 Toyota Hilux pickup like that so when I saw his I knew he would get to where he was going

  • @johnouma8134
    @johnouma8134 Před 3 lety +86

    The narrator's voice is legendary, like if you agree with me.

    • @pixelphotographyByPrasad
      @pixelphotographyByPrasad Před 3 lety +1

      Great voice. Unfortunately they dont display his name at the end.

    • @petersongolo2150
      @petersongolo2150 Před 3 lety +2

      And I want to know his Name so that I can search on net. This man's voice is so legendary indeed but recently, I hear his voice no more in these documentaries by show me the world, free documentaries, best documentaries or deadliest journeys .

    • @kkproductions4774
      @kkproductions4774 Před 3 lety

      I have searched every where but cant find his name

    • @olafjensen4508
      @olafjensen4508 Před 3 lety +1

      You did not look very far. Actor Adrian Dunbar

    • @pixelphotographyByPrasad
      @pixelphotographyByPrasad Před 3 lety +1

      No... its not Adrian Dunbar

  • @sayhellotomylittlefriend5191

    Iv seen this documentary before but can't remember where but still love the uploads 👍👍

  • @salinshrestha5012
    @salinshrestha5012 Před 3 lety +7

    Always great to watch these Documentary

  • @ekspedisimasukangin
    @ekspedisimasukangin Před rokem +3

    indah sekali alam Madagascar 😍😍😍
    Salam dari Indonesia 🇲🇨

  • @OoiPaul
    @OoiPaul Před 3 lety +2

    Damn bloody good doc. You guys are the best.

  • @juliusmcbean1611
    @juliusmcbean1611 Před 3 lety +2

    I missed your videos. Keep them coming

  • @glenndallaire3449
    @glenndallaire3449 Před 4 měsíci

    What a wonderful place to travel to! The accomadations look splendid and exotic! Perhaps this will be my next vacation destination.

  • @IMPOYSJOURNEY
    @IMPOYSJOURNEY Před 3 lety +6

    Worth watching..very informative.👍😀

  • @jevaunneheadley1704
    @jevaunneheadley1704 Před 3 lety +28

    Wow 😭 and we are in the USA complaining

    • @wallerstc
      @wallerstc Před 3 lety +2

      Yes, USA is the problem

    • @b52goats
      @b52goats Před 3 lety +1

      @@wallerstc Hes saying: people take living in such a great nation for granted. Why dont you focus on your shit hole country of India.

  • @WalterMwambazi
    @WalterMwambazi Před 3 lety +4

    Special kudos to the camera men and crew for this amazing footage. Beyond that a special mention and thought to these men who have to make a living in such dangerous conditions. Its easy to speak about conservation if the government and environment meets the basic needs of its citizens.
    Here its obviously not the case...

    • @muddymdigo5164
      @muddymdigo5164 Před 2 lety

      The local get use with such kind of life ,they are happy enjoying their ride ,watching from TANZANIA daresalam

    • @k.a.3247
      @k.a.3247 Před rokem

      "The government" is just people, its not some ethereal entity able to solve all problems and provide for everyone, especially if the underlying system is broken. "The environment" is the responsibility of all native people living in the area, they must all take care of their own soil. What these men are doing is destroying their homeland by exporting rare materials to other countries so some rich guy can buy a sapphire necklace or have a rosewood dining table. I wouldn't even dream of starting a family in such conditions, they say they're doing it to provide for their family so their kids can have a better life. What exactly is their kid going to do when they remain in poverty? The cycle will just continue, their homeland will continue to deteriorate as all resources are sold off until there is nothing left. What is the solution you may ask? It's both simple in explanation but complicated in execution. There are simply far too many people trying to survive off of too few resources. The choice is this, if you cannot even provide for yourself, why would you ever bring a child into the world who will only suffer alongside you?

  • @sumakjuly16
    @sumakjuly16 Před 3 lety

    Surprisingly quite good docos, nice slow raw footage

  • @msmayabae9943
    @msmayabae9943 Před 3 lety +8

    amazing love the documentary

  • @kamaukamau6233
    @kamaukamau6233 Před 3 lety +5

    Waaoh thanks ! That's a very nice documentary I enjoyed every bit of it especially where the narrator digs deep to translate even the ludicrous statements with the deep commandingvoice..I wish it was longer than that ..anyway thumbs up.
    On the flipside it's sad to realize how poor the cuisine with little or no road infrastructure...just really makes one to app where they are in life.,without some challenges.
    Mmh this is also where you get to see or rather experience the power and agility of a 4*4..waaoh
    Like if you have enjoyed the Documentary let's make it go viral

  • @nigelvernon527
    @nigelvernon527 Před 3 lety +5

    I enjoy watching these videos 👌

  • @kewsiyehboah9514
    @kewsiyehboah9514 Před rokem +1

    Bravo Upload..
    Kaka Ubarikiwe..

  • @chefboy-ar-d6312
    @chefboy-ar-d6312 Před 3 lety +40

    Another toyota proving itself in another country in need of a product called asphalt..yota pride

  • @gacherumburu9958
    @gacherumburu9958 Před 3 lety +5

    👍👌 great documentary!

  • @user-iz2rz2zy1f
    @user-iz2rz2zy1f Před 3 lety

    ممتاز هذا جيد تعب ممتع حياة جميله متعه ورياضيه هذا عظيم هذي السعاده الحقيقيه انها جنات شكرآ للمذيع وللجميع ممتاز هذا جميل جدآ جدآ جدآ جدآ جدآ جدآ اخي العزيز حياكم الله مشكورين والله

  • @vangarcia419
    @vangarcia419 Před 2 lety

    Thank You, Beloved Father...

  • @Therongunner
    @Therongunner Před 3 lety +7

    Wow! What a documentary! I must admit that I found it hard to watch the part of the miners when they were underground.
    This is a bery different life from where I live so it is fascinating to see.

  • @potatolew4495
    @potatolew4495 Před rokem +1

    Rosewood is a prized wood in the stringed instrument industry. Some instruments especially acoustic guitars made from rosewood are 10,000 plus, US DOLLARS.

  • @bopannananjappa2553
    @bopannananjappa2553 Před 3 lety +4

    I like the scene in the introduction where the small plane flies over the truck.

    • @anthonymohan4843
      @anthonymohan4843 Před 3 lety

      Which country is that

    • @silandulo
      @silandulo Před 3 lety

      @@anthonymohan4843 must be Papua New Guinea

    • @bobcat_the_Lion
      @bobcat_the_Lion Před rokem

      It comes from this documentary: czcams.com/video/21YB5YqV0Io/video.html

  • @ILOVEBACONBOY2018
    @ILOVEBACONBOY2018 Před rokem +1

    Love these.. plus the vehicles there can take a beating.

  • @_Dianna_
    @_Dianna_ Před rokem +7

    I think the guy who narrates is great! I love how he says whats the people are saying instead of you having to read the words so quick, i wish more documentary vids do that.

    • @LumocolorARTnr1319
      @LumocolorARTnr1319 Před rokem

      The narrator is great! But they do make up some translations and say completely other things sometimes. But it's almost like it's that that makes these series so good, they just wing it. xD

  • @worldstar907
    @worldstar907 Před měsícem

    Those african documentaries are the best

  • @luismichael6828
    @luismichael6828 Před 3 lety

    THIS IS REALY INTERESTING DOCUMENTARY

  • @MrBabadino
    @MrBabadino Před 3 lety +2

    Waiting from Nigeria

  • @phumeleledlamini2212
    @phumeleledlamini2212 Před rokem

    Great Documentary, absolutely love it! but I don't like the fact that you use different titles with the same footage.

  • @malo_2139
    @malo_2139 Před 3 lety

    Good one

  • @jenmb2679
    @jenmb2679 Před 3 lety +1

    Poor people can teach us a thing or two. Community, perserverance, caring about others

  • @jenmb2679
    @jenmb2679 Před 3 lety

    I thought this would be boring. Now bingewatching

  • @froogsleegs
    @froogsleegs Před rokem +4

    I love how although these journeys are full of problems, they don't complain or seem frustrated by being inconvenienced. It's just a fact of life there, so everybody gets on with clearing the way and trying again. Interesting to compare that with western drivers who can get almost anywhere with ease and still express rage/despair at the mildest unexpected holdup. This is true resilience and a can-do attitude, they'd never get anything done otherwise.

  • @abdulfarah2415
    @abdulfarah2415 Před 3 lety +1

    It's a long way to go in Africa but I have faith next generation to come will see the light.

  • @jumamuiruri6027
    @jumamuiruri6027 Před 3 lety +3

    Tunangojea sana.from Kenya

  • @coditechtv5939
    @coditechtv5939 Před 10 měsíci

    thanks for your video
    I hope this road can be repaired by the Congo government as soon as possible

  • @blackthunder7342
    @blackthunder7342 Před 3 lety

    Keep them coming in Black Thunder will always approve

  • @talonhector2074
    @talonhector2074 Před 3 lety +1

    Waiting..

  • @pixelphotographyByPrasad
    @pixelphotographyByPrasad Před 3 lety +10

    Waiting... It will be great if Voice over artist is same from "Deadliest journeys-Congo" video.

  • @hydroponicsguy9310
    @hydroponicsguy9310 Před 3 lety +6

    Toyota,best pickup for 2020

  • @onesiogomes1431
    @onesiogomes1431 Před rokem +1

    Em todos os vídeos com estradas ruins , a Toyota está presente, prova de que é um carro muito resistente

  • @sangeetawesley6683
    @sangeetawesley6683 Před rokem

    Beautiful madagascar

  • @akosiraulo1433
    @akosiraulo1433 Před 3 lety +2

    That toyota can be everything. You can off road and on road. 👍

  • @atort
    @atort Před 3 lety +2

    why oh why does humanity feel the need to keep populating when they can't feed the family they have??????

    • @chip_stack
      @chip_stack Před rokem

      Can't afford condoms .
      Plus the animal desire to have sex

  • @pro_noob_8767
    @pro_noob_8767 Před 3 lety +9

    From way in jamaica

  • @kaweah01
    @kaweah01 Před 2 lety

    The tree thing was amazing AF.

  • @houseofintent
    @houseofintent Před rokem +2

    What's the name of the narrator? He's one of my favorite VO's ever. I like how he translates as well. He has a lot of character and cadence in his voice and doesn't sound like he's just reading a script.

  • @carolthompson4612
    @carolthompson4612 Před 2 lety

    I wonder if my heart has come down from my mouth?

  • @jimmiehamilton7741
    @jimmiehamilton7741 Před rokem

    That Toyota truck is the most impressive thing about this documentary.

  • @oun.sokbona
    @oun.sokbona Před 3 lety

    good.

  • @akshayrao9483
    @akshayrao9483 Před 3 lety +3

    Waiting from India

  • @sumakjuly16
    @sumakjuly16 Před 3 lety

    Holy shit when the tunnel almost caved in was terrifying

  • @donwilliamson9516
    @donwilliamson9516 Před 3 lety +2

    I need those Madagascar ancestors to come through there and wreck havoc on those people who my people slaving

  • @alimurtaza9621
    @alimurtaza9621 Před rokem

    That 99s Toyota's superiority made me to accept that old is definitely g(old). 🔥

  • @Visionery1
    @Visionery1 Před 3 lety +9

    Same MO as in Borneo, pillage until it's all gone, then make another plan. Why not save the forest and make another plan now.

    • @longlee1100
      @longlee1100 Před 3 lety +2

      When you have to choose between death due to poverty, and destruction of forest . 90% will choose destruction of forest

    • @Visionery1
      @Visionery1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@longlee1100 and what do they do once the forest has been destroyed? At this point the forest can still draw tourists etc. and offer residents an alternative way to make a living , nobody will come to a country reduced to a desert. Cutting down the forest is a narrow minded, short term 'solution'.

    • @longlee1100
      @longlee1100 Před 3 lety +2

      @@Visionery1 The higher ranking government in that country for sure couldn't in their wildest dream think of that solution. even if there is tourism, the question is the pay. to you on the internet, getting paid is enough to stop them from stealing wood. in reality though, it involves so much more. When you are poor (I was almost homeless once but thank god, my mom educate me good) , all you can think about is money to make your lives better, to save up money for when sht happens to you. While I agree that cutting forest is shortsighted, you have to pay attention to how much education is being offered to them by government....to get education to see the shortsightedness of cutting forest, you need education. to get education, you need money to pay tuition if government doesn't help you. to get money? you guess it, cutting down forest.

    • @todeotodeo140
      @todeotodeo140 Před 3 lety +1

      If you listened closely enough, you would know that the rose wood tree is like finding a needle in a haystack. The forest is not made up of rosewood. They are not eliminating the forest. By the way...... Is the house you are in right now as you posted your comment framed with wood???? ..... Yes I thought so.

    • @Visionery1
      @Visionery1 Před 3 lety +1

      @@todeotodeo140 no, you thought wrong, it's not, don't automatically make assumptions! It's concrete and brick throughout, I'm not in the US or Canada where timber is the norm. By the way, US and Canadian houses are built with commercially grown timber from managed plantations, forests are not cut down indiscriminately.

  • @guillezorro
    @guillezorro Před 3 lety +11

    13.00: "It's not safe". Meanwhile in the background another 4WD safely crosses it.

  • @heavenbound9144
    @heavenbound9144 Před rokem +1

    I'll Never Complain About another Dang Thang...
    God Bless America

  • @TheYah00netstar
    @TheYah00netstar Před 3 lety +6

    *Around 3.000 rosewood trees are seized by the authorities every year...so I wonder what do they do with it...*

    • @nuttynut722
      @nuttynut722 Před 3 lety +7

      it will be out of the country one way or the other

    • @theflanman420420
      @theflanman420420 Před 3 lety +6

      I work for a big guitar company in California... we buy a ton of rosewood and I’m sure it’s not all legally exported.

    • @nuttynut722
      @nuttynut722 Před 3 lety +2

      @@theflanman420420 even most gibson's stock are unlikely legal

    • @theflanman420420
      @theflanman420420 Před 3 lety +3

      nutty nut I work for fender... we have a small contingent of Gibson at our facility but they only do about 20 guitars a day while we do 450. Some custom shop guitars cost more than 10,000 dollars. Mostly rosewood and ebony

  • @davehightower1851
    @davehightower1851 Před 3 lety +1

    These folks are not the brightest bulbs in the forest.

  • @muhammaddjufri4789
    @muhammaddjufri4789 Před 3 lety

    Nice bro 🤝💖💖⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖👍

  • @babu-ks6hv
    @babu-ks6hv Před 3 lety +1

    U ll never complain of anything in ur life after watching madagascar related videos

    • @pietrojenkins6901
      @pietrojenkins6901 Před 3 lety

      The poverty you mean ?

    • @babu-ks6hv
      @babu-ks6hv Před 3 lety

      @@pietrojenkins6901 wat is shown in the video i was saying about dat

  • @gabrielpaulus8799
    @gabrielpaulus8799 Před 3 lety +1

    Again...a toyota hilux. Now that why it is the favourite vehicle here in Namibia.

  • @fictitiousfictitious8964

    Cutting down rosewoods is a lousy way to make a living

  • @andysaunders3708
    @andysaunders3708 Před rokem

    I always thought that sapphires were "semi-precious".
    Bloody hell.
    Life-threatening.
    That makes them precious...

    • @Jessicahurst1
      @Jessicahurst1 Před rokem

      Nope. Precious. I have one on my finger and I wonder where it came from, and how people likely struggled to get it. Sad.

  • @enjelinasavista9734
    @enjelinasavista9734 Před rokem

    Sedih sekali melihat pohon kecil ikut ditebang

  • @whycantusubscribemychannel6904

    Forest ranger is playing smart huh he said give up but I bet he will be back to get that rosewood😄

  • @user-pt3xs8ex3l
    @user-pt3xs8ex3l Před 10 měsíci

    Salam dari banjar dan ma’anyan

  • @koustavchowdhury1034
    @koustavchowdhury1034 Před 3 lety

    👍👍

  • @danieldorkin2656
    @danieldorkin2656 Před 3 lety

    Claustrophobia going crazy here, seeing that mine. I got anxiety from it

  • @duuub227
    @duuub227 Před 2 lety +1

    Here i am in toronto complaining about pot holes while these guys barely have roads

    • @danrook5757
      @danrook5757 Před rokem

      At least u can put a claim in when your car gets damaged on a city road, these guys got no choice

  • @nuriqbal5163
    @nuriqbal5163 Před 3 lety +4

    Toyota survived this condition

  • @depressedglub32
    @depressedglub32 Před 3 lety

    Wow they're soooo lucky! They've got chocolate milk rivers!

    • @joy7218
      @joy7218 Před rokem

      Races why you say that?

  • @darrenriccs
    @darrenriccs Před 2 lety

    Are these men doing the actual chanting/singing, or is it just background music? They have good voices lol

  • @emeraldbando6849
    @emeraldbando6849 Před rokem

    They notice some poor people cutting down trees but they don't see the big illegal logging company and illegal mining

  • @jayarebrado2961
    @jayarebrado2961 Před 3 lety +1

    🙋

  • @clearout5032
    @clearout5032 Před 3 lety +1

    If you need to honk up, use this Pink G string that will catch it! 4:13!

  • @saschamaximus
    @saschamaximus Před 3 lety +1

    They are torturing those chickens! So bad, so sad and so wrong!

  • @borderreiver90
    @borderreiver90 Před 2 lety +1

    Why not fix the bridge so it is safe or are they too idle….

  • @danrook5757
    @danrook5757 Před rokem

    Those rapids look fun, Niagara Falls would be fun, someone should start a business

  • @azlanameer4912
    @azlanameer4912 Před 3 lety +1

    The ppl are sturdy and of steel bodied but have no sense of paving the tracks on self help basis. it seems everybody is in a kind of hurry and government is totally indifferent to ppls' plights. Feeling sorry for the ppl after watching this video.

  • @alanjohnson2528
    @alanjohnson2528 Před 3 lety +1

    seems to me 2 officers in a small boat searching boats going down river would stop this immediately

  • @poriruafordeva300
    @poriruafordeva300 Před 3 lety

    Good old lux

  • @psychoweasel6157
    @psychoweasel6157 Před rokem +2

    Breed rosewood trees instead of babies.

  • @TheSamuiman
    @TheSamuiman Před rokem

    Pillaging their own survival basics for pennies is nuts!

  • @mdanish9281
    @mdanish9281 Před 3 lety +2

    Always interested in Madagascar after The Madagascar cartoon film...i thought there would be very few people and would be a lush green tropical jungle... Was dissapointed to know it rains there quite less often and already been vastly habituated by humans... I am from Pakistan tho