Trend/ Massca Pro Pocket Hole Jig Review.
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- In this video I do a quick review and demonstration of my new Pocket hole jig from Trend.
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I know I am late to the party, but just saw this after I ordered the Massca M2 kit. As for the collar adjustment of the drill bits, since the drill bits are not that expensive, why not order a few more bits and collars and set each one with the collar set to the correct depth for a particular size of board and label them as such. Then you just grab the right bit and you won't need to keep adjusting the collars for different width of board.
Damn, yes they are exactly the same, but had I known I would of went with the Trend , just for the Bag and clamps.Nice thing about these jigs any hardware that the plastic blue brand has and their seems to be an abundance of , drill, driver bit, screws, clamps, pocket plugs all work with the Mascca and the Trend. Cheers pal, great review.
Leave your Trend jig assembled and buy the Kreg R3 jig . It’s only about 30€ and you have extra drill bit plus drive and it has a depth stop built in to its box. Great little jig
Been eyeing this jig up for a while, really useful thank you x
Very good review - clear and comprehensive. For the non-jig depth stop setting I can think of 2 options. One, pre-scribe simple markers of the shaft of the bit. “borrow” the approach from the Kreg system storage box to make a simple depth gauge.
I was looking at the Kreg 720pro and Massca M2 Pro as I had seen them in videos. While looking for the M2 pro i came across this trend jig on amazon. Noticed as well that it was the exact same thing.
Since every reviewer mentions possibly losing that depth setting piece, you could just use it to set the depth, drill a hole in your base to use that to set the depth in future and not have to take that piece out of the bag. Pick the side of the drill bit that is shortest distance to the depth guide and do it for each of the common thicknesses.
I bought this Jig last year for a Cabinet project i had on, Fantastic piece of kit.
Nice review. The problem with tear out is quite normal - the direction of rotation of the bit tends to lift up the timber on one side and on plywood it's usually much worse.
The most common problem that I have with pocket holes is getting carried away and drilling the holes in the wrong place or on the wrong side of the board - easily fixed with a blob of glue, a length of 9 or 9.5mm dowel and a flush cut saw.
Looking forward to the next instalment from the shed👍
Wow, seriously Excellent Video on the Massca Pocket Jig !
Very interesting.
I’m in the US and got the cheap Kreg kit and it’s been great. I subsequently got two Kreg clamps... one of the face clamps like your kit has and one of the ‘peg’ type that is surprisingly good at keeping the pieces aligned.
Really helpful - thanks for posting. Just got one and this has saved me a lot of time!
Glad to help
I find that the UJK pocket hole screws from Axminster to really compliment my Trend pocket hole jig. They have Torx heads so they drive better. You can get a kit from Axminster with a variety of pocket hole screws.
Thanks for sharing Jamie, I'll check that out
Excellent review, detailed and very useful, thanks 😊
Glad you liked it David 👍
Great review ,thanks
I have the M1 variant which doesn't have the outrigger supports, but I built a portable station for it with some small drawers for storing screws and the accessories with the base unit recessed into the top to provide supports to the sides. I do wish they offered the uprights separately so you could mount them to the plate permanently and switch between fixed and portable modes without having to unmount and disassemble the thing. I also had trouble clamping it to the workpiece in portable mode so stuck some fine sandpaper to it to give a bit of grip. Overall I really like it but like you say it does have some limitations.
Very nice review, wish I seen this before I got my K5.
Another great video,and very informative. Also perfect timing as I am looking to buy one.
Glad it was helpful!
Hi John. I have the Kreg K4 which is basically the same. Don’t have any issues with it being made with plastic as opposed to metal. Only gripe is that the dust collection can only fit 1 way (and most times the wrong way) unlike the Trend which can be mounted 2 ways.
Wish I would’ve know about this before buying a Kreg. Really like this.
Not got the pro, but I *did* buy a Trend pocket hole jig a year ago and have to say it’s flawless. Good build quality in metal so very reliable.
Great video I get the same issue with the holes on the right hand side.
I think it is a issue with the guide being missed milled as you have the same damage on the right side of the
guide holes.
I suggest just setting a small plate with all the drill bits lengths for when it is off the jig as it is the only way i found you can do it
like the one you have for sharping chisels.
One thing I noticed when I was watching the video again, you said you can't lock down the extension pieces when using them as material support, but you can. All you do is move the knurled knob to the opposite threaded hole and then it locks down the part when used for material support. I have both the Kreg K5 and the Massca/Trend jig and both have their positives and negatives. The best thing about this unit is the all aluminum construction.
Great review 💯👍👍
GOOD VIDEO John,ordered that jig today. Was thinking off getting one for a while.if your ever in north Tipperary give me a shout we will go for a pint when the pubs open.
Hi, good video!! I'm using k4 system, very easy and comfortable, I have got the maska small portable pocket hole jig. At the past I used it a lot now days less, with the time you learn how to you it correctly and in the most suitable jobs.
Great review John, looks like a good piece of kit. On the list ...
Good review. Thanks John.
I’m looking for a hole jig and was leaning towards the Trend.
Thanks for taking the time to post this
Regards
Clive
Glad to help Clive
I’ve had this jig for a while and it’s pretty decent. Recommend.
I have tried loads of different pocket hole jigs and the new Kreg 720 is by far the best i have ever used.
Hi John, unless your jig works differently to mine (a possibility as mine is not a keg jig) you should be able to put the drill into the piece until it bottoms out on the separate steel piece you got with your system and then add the stop cullet. You should now have a set bit to work with the tool.
Thanks John. I wonder if you can use the Kreg pocket hole drill bits with the Trend kit? Those bits leave a really nice clean cut. Although, like you said, doesn’t really matter! I think if you’re going to use the drill piece out of the jig a lot, you could set up a quick little jig to set the stop on the bit.
Love that pocket hole jig.awes
Thanks - great video and super well explained. I bought this last week (Massca seemed to have a ridiculously high delivery charge to UK, so went with the Trend). One thing I’m not sure of is how to determine the length of screw to use. Setting for the piece of material to make the hole into is great, but what about the piece you are screwing into, what if I use too short a screw or worse, one that is too long. Anybody help with that?
Big improvement on my 20 year old Trend jig, especially the inclusion of dust collection. Prefer the Kreg K5 because of the locking lever being on the same side as the drill slots so one is not streaching round the workpiece to secure it, and the K5 can be fitted with a guide for cutting plugs from extra stock at the same angle to fill and disguise the pocket holes, vs the tTend plug cutter which has to be used in a drill press (I have both)
Yeah, the work securing lever on opposite side from drilling direction makes this jig unusable for wider stock/ casework panels. Kind of a miss for them since the all aluminum construction is really nicer than Kreg!
Just bought one of these and found the post very useful. I would like to make a large hexagonal planter out of 28mm decking. The Trend video indicates that curved constructions can be made using this jig - would it be possible for you to produce a 'how to' video for us?
For the depths on the original one they say to use a coin as all you need is for the small pilot hole not to come all the way through, i've done that and it works fine.
I’ve read the same about using a pound coin
Get a few of the drill bits and set the stop collars at different but standard sizes - 1/2, 3/4, 1, 1 1/2.
Thanks John. It's a bit odd that the metric scales are marked with the precise imperial equivalent rather than just 12, 14, 16 mm etc. Also, I'm not entirely sure why the depth stop is needed or so important (I've not seen any other jig with one, at most they come with a 'credit card' to just lift the tip of the drill above the base. Surely if you lift it much further (as the highest stair on the depth stop does) then you'll be leaving the screw to punch through a lot of timber without a pilot hole. Does this not risk splitting in softer timber, screw snapping in harder stuff and a general problem with the screw not pulling the two pieces together properly? Will
I had the ujk jig. Very well made. But I think most trend stuff is top notch.
If you do not have the dept gauge when remote, you put the drill in until it touches the wood on the other side and then pull back a few millimeters. :-)
Definitely the right choice to avoid the Kreg plastic stuff. Rather than separating your jig I would just pick up another small metal one to be used independently. Inexpensive and would save the hassle.
Does it have something to do with the drill bit? Can you use a universal bit to replace it?
Well done John. I’ve had the Kreg K4 for a few years, it does the job, but you’re right the all metal build of the Massca is definitely a plus, probably more stable, accurate and durable than the Kreg. Not sure why Kreg insists on using so much plastic on everything they make. Ah well what can you do. For any of your viewers looking I would recommend skipping the Kreg and give this one a look. Maybe I’ll build a time machine in my shop and go back and buy the Massca instead.
Yeah, I'll stick with a jig with a front clamp lever rather tha the clamp lever on the back side of the jig.
@@11211lcb yeah that K4 lever on the back makes no sense.
Do you think you could drill a hole somewhere in the depth gauge and put a lanyard through it and attach somewhere to the jig? I would lose it for sure. Lol
What holds the drill block height adjustment so solidly? Are there detents for each height increment or internal plates connected to each knob that seat against the block? I am guessing there is something more than the inside edge of the tightening/ securing knob screws. Thank you, if you still see this so late to the discussion.
I have the Fengsen XK1 pocket hole rig, but this looks much better. The XK1 is a bit like the Trend one after you dismantled it to make it into the portable version. It doesn't have any way to set the drill depth other than manually with your own spacer or measuring it.
For the depth of the bit, I’d probably take measurements of the common depths/positions of the collar set against the turret and then measure the stop on the bit. As you say a bit of a faff.
Hi
Awesome video!
Could you please show how to pocket hole 2x4 please?
I use the UK from Axminster that you can easily use both in and out of the main jig body
Thanks for sharing I want to say that I love your vedios and I love your personality you are very respectful .. But no offense.. you speak so fast for my taste .. I do understand that you are speaking normally but am not a native English speaker and my ears are systematically adjusted to the American English accent and the brits if they speak slowly.. Am trying to check more of your vedios every now and then hopefully I'll reach a point that makes me enjoy what you're doing even more.. But if you can slow down just a little bit that will be something really useful for me and for other people who are standing on the same ground of mine .. Cheers from 🇰🇼 Kuwait and keep the good job up🙏🏼 👍🏼
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Hi John, great video! Do you know if Kreg screws would work with Massca/Trend pocket holes? I have a lot of Kreg pocket hole screws, but this looks like a better jig. Thanks!
I not sure but I can't see why not
The square drive bit a great invention by Canadian Peter Robertson
I would like to throat punch the inventor of the Phillips head screwdriver. (I would wager his name was Phillips.)
Drill a hole in the edge of the board to the right depth for each setting then just tighten the collar at that depth.
Mark the drill bit for replicating the different depths.
Set the drill bit up for each increment and mark it with a marker pen then you can just move the stop to the preset depth, although they should have come up with this in the first place
Good initial review. But it would help if you could slow down your rapid fire delivery just a bit to allow my newbie brain time to take it all in.
I bought this jig last year and literally used it for the first time yesterday! Should have waited 😄 For remote depth setting try using coins or washers to replicate the turret depths.
These two PRO pocket hole jig kits, Mascca and Trend, might in fact be identical in every way possible except for the brand name, however, here in the USA the Trend is $306.15 plus tax from trend-usa website (shipping might be more $$), where the Mascca is $139.99 plus tax plus free shipping from Amazon. The Trend comes with the storage bag, maybe that's why the Trend costs more than double what the Mascca costs. Is the Mascca a lot more expensive on your side of the pond, or is the massive price difference the same for you as it is for us??
How much do they cost for complete set up. In other words for everything I saw you use.thanks and God bless.
I just bought this kit on ebay uk for £108.54 Patrick
Hi John. I just confirmed that we can get the trend from Amazon for about $167USD.
How much is the Massca over there Doug?
I have the Massca here in the US - there are several bundles so don't know which bundle is closest to the Trend. From Amazon, an M2 bundle with assorted screws and a clamp is $139 (no bag). You can also buy directly from Massca and the prices tend to be the same as or less than Amazon. It's a bit funny as they say they're on sale, but I've had mine for about a year and every time I've been to the site they've been "on sale".
I'd say just get a little portable one if you ever need it on site.
Quick price check here in the US and the Trend seems to be much more expensive than the Massca!
I think the tear out on the right side of the holes is a problem with plywood, not the jig. As the drill turns clockwise the left side of the hole is where the edges of the bit enter the wood, the right side is where the edges exit the wood. Just like with a circular or table saw, where the cutting edges of a blade, or bit, exits plywood the face veneer will splinter or chip out.
That's what I was thinking,
Link would be nice, cheers.
Google it my friend, I got it in Ireland my link may not be good for you.
the portable method is too laborious to disassemble. That is where the breakable Kreg $20 jig comes in handy. I wish there were three holes for more options.
What is the name of your trousers?
Portwest DX4
Nice jig, however don't like the locking handle on the back. Specially with larger panels. Too hard to reach.
Great point
Stupidity reigning why don’t they mark the drill for the depth of the various widths of wood at the top of the collet? Enjoying the reviews though keep up the good work!
Trend is not openly available in the US, however, if you call the company they will ship to The US. So Trend is a possibility, just takes a few extra steps. I ordered an entire pack out set last year, I contacted the customer service and they informed me to pick any retailer warehouse to ship from and they would correct on their backside. Delivery came in 4 days so not terrible at all. Was nice to be able to get tools from back home.
With experience you will realize that this pocket hole jig has the clamping lever on the wrong side. Wait until you need to drill holes on large panels. Reachin around is a PIA.
This is just the Trend, where 's the comparison with the Massca M-2? Heading was misleading.
Owen, pocket hole jigs don't go through, by design.
They seem to have missed the mark with their imperial/metric scales. IMO, the metric scale should have metric graduations rather than the metric equivalent of an imperial measurement.
Great review nonetheless
By the looks of it you pockets don't have holes
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What happened to the fine joinery!
You will miss all the fine joinery videos now, ah well take care bud.
Masala doesn't give you the bag.Bottom line