Toxic Forgiveness: the scripture they don't want you to figure out

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Komentáře • 101

  • @lorettamoses8173
    @lorettamoses8173 Před rokem +67

    Some people get mad because you don't stay around just for them to disrespect and humiliate you.

    • @shakirahstewart2593
      @shakirahstewart2593 Před rokem +7

      Yes that's so crazy to me

    • @malkahavah5853
      @malkahavah5853 Před rokem +3

      My response: be mad. It takes a while to master but grey rock is essential

    • @shakirahstewart2593
      @shakirahstewart2593 Před rokem +5

      @@malkahavah5853 It's crazy though how they get mad and benefited off of you and have the nerve to talk ish. It's mind boggling I prayed on it. Then they keep your name in their mouth acting like you would do the things they do. It's sickening

    • @theheat9073
      @theheat9073 Před rokem +4

      Loretta your speaking facts! It’s absolutely insane. When they see your avoiding them on purpose they get even more envious and aggressive 😅

    • @shakirahstewart2593
      @shakirahstewart2593 Před rokem +6

      @@theheat9073 I agree. People are so miserable

  • @lorraine4755
    @lorraine4755 Před rokem +27

    They feel like how dare you not let me disrespect you.

    • @dontbelongherefromanotherp9807
      @dontbelongherefromanotherp9807 Před 11 měsíci +3

      I know, right. Narcs feel they are entitled to the personal space of others, and it's okay to disrespect them

  • @ameerahrashada4515
    @ameerahrashada4515 Před rokem +37

    I use to forgive anything all the time until I started to wake up and use my own power of thinking. Thank You Tyler

  • @jeanalexandre1105
    @jeanalexandre1105 Před rokem +29

    The disrespect was enough bless them with your absence

  • @smoothiecutie2277
    @smoothiecutie2277 Před rokem +22

    Yea Tyler. Some in the church will dismiss abuse and tell you that you just “need to pray harder” while perps are PrEying on you.

  • @slynn360
    @slynn360 Před rokem +13

    I used to believe the forgiveness bullshit until i realised that i was basically relieving a cycle of veing betrayed, asked for forgiveness then going back to being betrayed. Round and round in an endless painful loop. I realised my forgiveness was basically me telling the universe that i accepted and wanted that energy to continue in my life. No more. For me forgiveness is remebering without anger

  • @carolmcloughlin2859
    @carolmcloughlin2859 Před rokem +22

    Thanks you for sharing this Tyler.. I can't forgive my horrible father as he was an abuser and did a lot of harm to us over the years. He got cancer a few years ago and died.. karma came back to him and I don't miss him he was a thug and deserves everything he got.. I've cut off my family now and I'm feeling better.. I don't have anything to do with them. I'm doing my own thing now ..

    • @mrs.camillewarrenempress3115
      @mrs.camillewarrenempress3115 Před 10 měsíci

      Forgiveness means forgiving yourself not for them that what people don’t understand .. that it called healing process journey

  • @befruitful6033
    @befruitful6033 Před 10 měsíci +3

    I know exactly what you are talking about. I was working a job and was always being played by this game. They'll say, "don't forget you a Christian, you suppose to forgive". They fuck with you all day with that bullshit. They ain't scare of God or Christians. They scare of exposure and you calling them out. Thank you Tyler.

  • @ToneBoneFromTheThrone
    @ToneBoneFromTheThrone Před rokem +12

    I have been molested as a child abused by my parents, watched them die from drugs and alcohol etc like many of us. I use to forgive instantly and then get abused again I was in a cycle. There was a point where GOD separated me from the situations to protect me because I wouldn’t leave. My forgiving and trying to help people who wouldn’t change taught me a lesson. You can’t help people who don’t want help. Sometimes you will have to watch your family parents friends etc die. You can pray for them! Thanks for the Word.
    Matthew 18: 21-22 21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?” 22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times. Forgive them but sometimes you have to cut them off because you could be enabling them.

  • @alexinej272
    @alexinej272 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Oh wow. This makes so much sense. The other thing about freely giving forgiveness as the victim without following the right steps is that it stops transgressors from going through their right steps as well. We as humans cannot absolve anyone of their sins. Only God can do that when someone comes to him, confesses, repents, then takes the right steps to allow him in, obey him and let him free them from further sin. People think because they have worldly/human forgiveness that they are okay. We pray to God to "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"... but if the standard of forgiveness that you hold for yourself is taking full accountability for your transgressions and truly changing, and removing yourself if you can't change or stop causing harm, then this is the standard of forgiveness we should hold for our transgressors as well.

  • @jstarzz3780
    @jstarzz3780 Před rokem +4

    I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY 💯 because as long as I Was manipulated BY the GUILT TRIP of ME being The bigger person BUT THEY ONLY GET WORSE 😮CUT THAT A LOOSE I DID 😔

    • @dontbelongherefromanotherp9807
      @dontbelongherefromanotherp9807 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Interesting how society places the responsibility and burden on narc victims to be caring and understanding and flexible with narcs. There aren't any conditions for narcs, and what they've done to the victim is irrelevant and overlooked. The focus is on victims

  • @messengerofahayaiamjohn1738

    I literally was a victim of a demon pastor married to my mom who tried to manipulate me for the foolishness of mothers day did something petty when they wanted to buy from me he tries to say the good book say we gotta forgive but wont confess their wrong or even worse act like they was never wrong. I straight ignored him. This is a MIRACLE THAT YOU MADE THIS VIDEO. Might I add even Prophet Samuel rejected and The Father rejected Sual after his transgressions in 1st Samuel 15

    • @heather4089
      @heather4089 Před rokem

      He’s a narcissistic.

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před rokem +6

      Yes, you are right but the Christian world never talks about those parts of the Bible where God didn't forgive. Yup he didn't forgive Saul due to disobedience.

    • @messengerofahayaiamjohn1738
      @messengerofahayaiamjohn1738 Před rokem

      @@TylerJTI yeah it's evident that Christianity is FALSE AND THEY WORSHIP THE BEAST.

    • @mrs.camillewarrenempress3115
      @mrs.camillewarrenempress3115 Před 10 měsíci

      Bingo

  • @carolynwhite9975
    @carolynwhite9975 Před 7 měsíci

    A few years ago a lady at church betrayed me and hurt me. My Pastors were well aware of the situation and I was told I had to forgive her. I prayed and prayed for God to help me to forgive her for years. I felt weighed down and guilty, always questioning myself, feeling incomplete, trying to forgive felt like a heavy burden and weight on me but when I rolled the false weight and burden of forgiving off my life and decided I don't have to forgive her, the freedom was unexplainable and I did this before the Lord I then stop letting the Lord heal me of the anger, bitterness of the incident within. I am free, I don't walk in the false, toxic doctrine of forgiveness. Thank you Tyler and God Bless you for exposing this detrimental teaching.

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před 7 měsíci +1

      It's more of this teaching coming exposing this fraudulent doctrine of forgiveness and also I do have an archives named the forgiveness deception to where you can watch those videos if you like

  • @KillumiGnarly
    @KillumiGnarly Před rokem +5

    Love you Tyler BIG OG of the mental health world!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @ms.spainishlady2652
    @ms.spainishlady2652 Před rokem +2

    Thank you...Mr.Tyler.😊❤ You are telling the TRUTH!! My Spiritual eyes has been opened about this doctrine.

  • @twinpyramid5985
    @twinpyramid5985 Před rokem +5

    🔥🔥🔥🔥TYLER

  • @paraconsistentjojo
    @paraconsistentjojo Před rokem +5

    Preach itt!! 🙌

  • @jamesbreeden9016
    @jamesbreeden9016 Před rokem +6

    These Rockefeller Christians are too lazy to study and research the truth of God and spirituality. Conditioned and brainwashed is what they are. The One Being has put spiritual laws in place in this reality, and no one has told us about it. You try to explain it to them, and these Rockefeller Christians will argue and become belligerent with you about it. They are too arrogant to stop and realize they've been tricked and fooled. Great video, Tyler. Blessings to you and your family, my friend.

  • @9staylo
    @9staylo Před 7 měsíci

    Take em to church Tyler!!!

  • @evision225
    @evision225 Před rokem

    Bro, you have just made so much sense on this one. Thank you for that knowledge, brother..

  • @michaelmorse4444
    @michaelmorse4444 Před 6 měsíci

    Magnificent breakdown of the topic. You are a brilliant thinker.

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před 6 měsíci

      Thank you I have more videos exposing this doctrine of forgiveness

  • @witnessofchrist2524
    @witnessofchrist2524 Před rokem +5

    🙏🏾

  • @Lonerangel7177
    @Lonerangel7177 Před 10 měsíci

    I love you Tyler thank you for this ❤❤❤

  • @Merciful_Munchies
    @Merciful_Munchies Před rokem +1

    O man I thought you was gonna give me reasons not to forgive people Lol. But yeah if you’ve never harmed anyone in your entire life this is 💯 true.

  • @Hannah-eq5ff
    @Hannah-eq5ff Před rokem +1

    This is insight. You are speaking truth. ✨

  • @hardeepmann3464
    @hardeepmann3464 Před rokem +1

    So true.

  • @lovemadeaway
    @lovemadeaway Před rokem

    Narcissism… great creator Tyler … I have watched you a long time! Keep up the good work! Much Love ❤️ Muse News 📰

  • @EsotericOccultist
    @EsotericOccultist Před rokem +2

    👍

  • @shauntaylor-lovelightfamily

    Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile

  • @mindymindus35
    @mindymindus35 Před rokem +1

    Heres one... Isaiah 2:9-10
    9 So man will be brought low and mankind humbled. Donot forgive them 10 Go into the rocks hide in the ground from the dread of the Lord.
    Now the do not forgive them part is changed online they took it out
    But its in most physical bibles

  • @WithAWatts
    @WithAWatts Před rokem

    💞

  • @etr32901etio
    @etr32901etio Před rokem +2

    👍🏼🇺🇸👍🏼

  • @NARCESCAPESA
    @NARCESCAPESA Před rokem +5

    TYLER TO BE HONEST THE REASON I FIND IT HARD TO FORGIVE IS BECAUSE EVEN THOSE WHO COME TO YOU AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS ONLY COME TO YOU BECAUSE THEY SUFFERING AND WANT YOU TO SET THEM FREE AND WHAT I MEAN BY THIS IS (ITS A QUESTION FOR YOU TYLER AND ALL PEOPLE IN THE COMMENT SECTION ) IF LETS SAY ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DID YOU WRONG CONTINUED WITH THEIR LIVES AND BECAME SUPER SUCCESSFUL (SIX FIGURE RICH ) DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD COME BACK TO APOLOGISE TO YOU ?????, IVE NOTICED THAT PEOPLE WANT FORGIVENESS BECAUSE THEYRE SUFFERING NOT BECAUSE THEYRE FEELING GUILTY AND WANT TO BE ACCOUNTABLE SO ITS HARD TO FORGIVE ,,, PLEASE ASK THIS QUESTION IN THE VIDEO????

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před rokem +4

      Thank you for your question, and I will answer this. A lot of people will not come back in apologize to you because of pride and arrogance by not wanting to take accountability and responsibility of their own wrongful actions towards someone. The reason why because it's extremely painful and they have sick mindset I haven't done anything to you. The people who did wrong can't continue with their lives because their conscience will be disturbed a whole lot from what they did to you. They will ignore the disturbing of their conscience on purpose to make it seem like they haven't done nothing wrong, which huge root of pride.

    • @NARCESCAPESA
      @NARCESCAPESA Před rokem

      @@TylerJTI Damn you nailed it brother i genuinely wish i could have some form of communication with you (Live) ,it could be even on twitter spaces where theres like 15+ participants chopping up certain topics

    • @NARCESCAPESA
      @NARCESCAPESA Před rokem

      @@TylerJTI Appreciate your response

    • @utube2010ful
      @utube2010ful Před rokem +1

      @@TylerJTI I agree with you. I've listen to several narc abuse coaches on YT and they all say to forgive, pray for them... Excuse me, so someone or a team of people plot against you, lie to others about their evil, pin it on you, yet I am suppose to forgive when they're not sorry and they initiated this war? Send out good energy by praying for demons yet they're doing witchcraft on you? And these psycho coaches blame shift the survivor saying you should've done xyz and to own up to your faults when you are innocent. People have mercy for narcs/evil doers yet scold the survivor. Make that make sense!

  • @wondreal
    @wondreal Před rokem +4

    Also Tyler these people also think we should love them even if they don’t mean you no good that’s been misconstrued also love those who mistreat you or have did you wrong That’s not the truth

    • @rebel365ful
      @rebel365ful Před rokem

      The thing is this is how you protect your mental health:
      Forgive but love from a distance.

    • @wondreal
      @wondreal Před rokem

      @@rebel365ful Correct

  • @truth8027
    @truth8027 Před rokem

    Forgiving just means you do not harbor ill feelings and have moved on from the situation.
    Forgiveness just means not feeling negative towards the person.
    Forgiveness does not require reconnection.
    You can forgive someone without resuming contact or picking a relationship back up.
    You can forgive someone even if you know you can never have the same relationship. Depending on the circumstances, you may even need to avoid contact.

  • @christopherthomas4417
    @christopherthomas4417 Před rokem +2

    The best sermon ever.

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před rokem

      thank you.More about this to come

  • @Kyregoodin
    @Kyregoodin Před rokem +1

    Hi Tyler, do you offer consultations? I need advice about a friendship situation and have watched many of your great videos

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před rokem

      No, I don't. You can email me at tjlwriter32@gmail.com

  • @MeTraD_Blk_Swn
    @MeTraD_Blk_Swn Před rokem +2

    The thing is tho God says he don't forgive every thing hence why HE goes into your family back 4 generations to see what the situation was. GOD DONT FORGIVE THOSE WHO DONE WRONG TO CHILDREN! PERIOD! UR STUNTING THEIR GROWTH AND WHAT THEY ARE SENT HERE TO DO, YO AZZ WILL NOT BE 4GIVEN. A CHILD IS INNOCENT GROWN FOLKS KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING SO THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS FOR HOW U PURPOSELY HURT OR MANIPULATED ESPECIALLY WHEN THEIR OWN CHILD. TRUST U WILL GER YO AZZ WHIPPED

  • @prettynatural1973
    @prettynatural1973 Před rokem +1

    Hey Tylee

  • @vesselfit2use
    @vesselfit2use Před rokem +1

    We can forgive people when they are trying to do better etc and still have them around.
    BUT... with a manipulator or an abuser we leave, forgive for our own sake so we dont hold on to the anger and move on with our lives.
    Forgiveness does not mean reconciliation.
    Thanks Tyler!

    • @dontbelongherefromanotherp9807
      @dontbelongherefromanotherp9807 Před 11 měsíci

      Makes sense, but many narcs pretend to do better for a brief time

    • @vesselfit2use
      @vesselfit2use Před 11 měsíci

      @@dontbelongherefromanotherp9807 yea narcs will do that. But that's where our discernment comes in. Are they truly sorrowful and repentant or are they playing on emotions and manipulating.

  • @messengerofahayaiamjohn1738

    I really would like to talk to you cuz I'm dealing with this same situation.

  • @freedommakers101
    @freedommakers101 Před rokem +2

    Forgiveness is not a get out of jail free pass. God's forgiveness is not even automatic. God actually only forgives REPENT wrongdoers. He does not condone willful wickedness or brazen conduct of any kind be it murderers, liars, slander, thievery, extortion, lusts, lewdness, fornicaters, adulterers, covetors, idolators, etc. Forgiving or letting an abuser off the hook without that abuser's acknowledgment of his sins or misconduct, only just condones that abuser's ways to continue on hindering, destroying, hurting, and abusing self and others.. The scriptures say not to even eat with such a person. Scriptures also say "bad association SPOILS useful habits". So if forgiveness was some magical wand for reconciliation as some catch-all end-all be-all rule, God would not say to watch or guard your association. The Bible states "as far as it depends on you, try to make peace with your brother, but it does not say that those broken ties will be achieved or magically resolve even through reconcilation efforts.
    Yes Tyler, condoning someone's detestable bad behaviors does more harm than good. Giving them a license for wrong, does more harm than good. Releasing a trespasser with intentions to achieve reconciliation from the trespasser, instead of bringing joy or peace to your life, in fact does the opposite.
    It rather inhibits or hinders your own progress and life if giving someone a continuous license to do harm or wrong even the next time to you or to someone else.. When someone says sorry the second i sense it wasnt genuine or just a hiccup to ease their conscience, i always say, 'What? Sorry until the next time"? Letting someone off the hock without their acknowledgment, only enables that destructive person's paths. If someone who hurt you actually says sorry, sometimes they are saying sorry to excuse themselves or relieve their own conscience, not because they feel sorry to you because they recognize their wrong. So how can they ever change if they're aren't having to level up?
    Forgiving or releasing the abuse of that abuser's ways as if to let them off the hook, often only enables what they fail to acknowledge within THEMSELVES, and keeps them in a cycle of abuse. Only once you cut them off allowing them to think about what they've done, can they have a chance to turnaround. Jesus said to remove the wicked one from among you. Cut them off completely. Doesn't mean you have to hate them. You hate the wrong, not the person. Giving them the boot or showing them the door, doesn't mean forever either. It just means you have given them a time out, even an extended one at that, to readjust their thinking so if you do cross paths again, they can be in a better place with you if not having been in a better place with themselves. Sometimes removal will be permanent. Their company inhibits where you're trying to go or just be.
    For you Christians out there, remember, forgiveness is the primary goal in peace making efforts, but it's not an "end-all be-all" "one-size-fits-all" cookie cutter blanket policy. Jesus also said to turn the other cheek too. He even came in with a whip to condemn the money changers in the churches turning it into a business. Was his whip forgiveness? I think NOT!!!! It's called rebuke. REBUKE, NOT FORGIVENESS. Removing someone IS TOUGH LOVE!

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před rokem

      Preach preach preach

    • @freedommakers101
      @freedommakers101 Před rokem

      @@TylerJTI i like how you use the same word "preach" 3 times. repetition for emphasis? lol

    • @freedommakers101
      @freedommakers101 Před rokem

      Outside your one word retort, I wasn't actually preaching. But thanks for your appreciation.

  • @candacewebb120
    @candacewebb120 Před rokem

    😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

  • @jeffreyfeinstein5525
    @jeffreyfeinstein5525 Před rokem +1

    Ah did get confused at some point. But ah do feel tha tafter a couple of forgivesses take place, beWARE 'the guilty feeling forgiver'. There is a line which exudes the 'word' slavery, even if one of thangressors e
    helps at times, you might carry a scale around, 24/7 until.. too late!
    Woud you even concieve to think to do that to them, repeadely and expect years of the same forgivenesses?
    You've been slandered. Satan divides his prey.
    ((Ah love you man. Even if i am not correct☆☆☆†↗

    • @gavinwaterman5456
      @gavinwaterman5456 Před rokem +1

      The Bible is open to interrutation

    • @jeffreyfeinstein5525
      @jeffreyfeinstein5525 Před rokem

      The bible and/or 'The Word' specifically require 'us' to not extrapolate,( neither to add or take away from any of its meaning,subjectivly or otherwise.

  • @thenicholashernandez
    @thenicholashernandez Před rokem +2

    Tyler, good day to you, I understand that when people offends us, it makes us feel holding into that hurt and it leads to bitterness, resentment etc. Most people do not know, that once you kept holding that hurt from people, kept holding that grudge, you also unconsciously do all things from hate, you must examine yourself. But that grieves the Holy Spirit when we hold grudges and hate towards other people, it traps our spirit. The best solution is that always give everything to Jesus all of your problems.
    Dear Jesus heavenly father I pray that may Tyler be touched by your presence and reveal yourself so that Tyler may know the truth. Dear Jesus I know you are the only one who can see things in our hearts, please help my brother Tyler and lead him to the truth in Jesus Name. Amen and Amen.

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před rokem +8

      Woow? You prayed! You are getting the truth right in the video. Since you refuse to leave this channel, you will get more truth and facts by me exposing the fraudulent doctrine of forgiveness. Like Paul the apostle said, have I become your enemy because I tell you the truth. Who told you that grudges grieves the Holy spirit🤔?

  • @gracethroughfaithbloodofje4753

    You're cute, are you married?

  • @christopherevans9119
    @christopherevans9119 Před rokem +6

    Well Tyler, Jesus said & pleased to his father God In Heaven… Forgive them father for they don’t know what they do… Jesus died on that cross so God can forgive us for our nasty, evil, prideful, sinful nature so we can have the favor of mercy & forgiveness for having to sacrifice his only begotten son so we all can have forgiveness & redemption…

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před rokem +3

      I commend you for this direction👀👀👀👀👀. Since you went this way and brought it up, I have kept extremely quiet about this part of the Christian doctrine of forgiveness. When Jesus was on the cross, which is mentioned in Luke 23:34.
      Who was Jesus truly talking to concerning God to forgive : The people who stoned and crufied him or us the people in Luke 23:34? Why Paul come back and confirm in Ephesians 4:31-32 when Jesus stood in the stead for God to forgive sins?
      If Jesus died for our sins please explain what was purpose of Jesus going around forgiving sins on his earthly walk by which those folks didnt do any trangressions. against him nor the father? Don't go run immediately to Romans 3:23-26 because it's been taken away out of context.

    • @thenicholashernandez
      @thenicholashernandez Před rokem +2

      @@TylerJTI Luke 23:34 - For me Jesus is talking not just for those men, but for entire humanity.
      Jesus' ministry involved forgiving sins and offering salvation to all people, regardless of whether they had directly transgressed against Him or the Father. While it maybe true that those individuals may not have committed any personal offenses against Jesus, they were still considered sinners in need of redemption.
      All humans are born with a sinful nature inherited from the disobedience of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. This inherent sinfulness separates humanity from God and leads to spiritual death. The forgiveness of sins and the offer of salvation through Jesus' earthly ministry were intended to address this universal condition of sin and offer reconciliation with God.
      Jesus' forgiveness of sins during His earthly walk demonstrated His authority and ability to cleanse people from their sins. By forgiving sins, He displayed His divine power and the authority to act as the ultimate mediator between God and humanity. His forgiveness was not limited to those who had directly wronged Him but was extended to all who sought repentance and reconciliation with God.
      Furthermore, Jesus' forgiveness of sins served as a sign and testimony to His identity as the Son of God and the promised Messiah. It revealed His divine mission and purpose, which ultimately culminated in His sacrificial death on the cross. Through His death and resurrection, Jesus provided the ultimate and complete forgiveness of sins for all who put their faith in Him.
      In summary, Jesus' forgiveness of sins during His earthly ministry was part of His mission to offer salvation and reconcile humanity with God. It demonstrated His divine authority, testified to His identity as the Son of God, and paved the way for the ultimate forgiveness achieved through His sacrificial death and resurrection.

    • @TylerJTI
      @TylerJTI  Před rokem

      @@thenicholashernandez where is it in the text in Luke 23:34 that it was for humanity? Where is it? News flesh, Jesus didn't die for your sins and that's a fact. He was murdered and stoned by those men. There is no need to offer salvation when Jesus died for one's sins. There would also not be no need for Jesus going around forgiveness on his earthly ministry if he was going to die for our sins .There would not be no need to forgive others for thier trangressions if he was to die for our sins. It does not add up at all. Use your head and do critical thinking
      Jesus stood in the stead (mediator)for the folks who stoned him for God to forgive the folks who stoned him in Luke 23:34. Paul confirms this in his letter to the church of Ephesus in Ephesians 4:31-32.
      By what you have told that he died or sacrificed himself for God to Forgive our sins, which is child sacrificing: this is not God's way at all.
      If God gave his son to be sacrificed then God ( elohim)would be breaking his own 2 laws, which are mentioned in Ezekiel 33:14-15, Deutromony 24:16. This would also contradict what God gave king David in Psalm 32:1, which Paul confirms this in Romans 4:7.
      Besides, the average atheist who looks at those two laws: it looks like a huge contradiction to them by reading Romans 5 chapter.
      Not only that messiah( Jesus) would be a lie for saying in John 20:23, if he died for the forgiveness of sins.
      The problem is the Christian world has take way out of context Romans 5 chapter, Romans 3:23, Hebrews 9 chapter: and they are not reading closely and not using critical thinking, nor common sense.
      STOP GOING BY WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD AND USE CRITICAL THINKING!!!!!!!