Why Do Hawker Siddeley HS 748s Still Fly in Canada?
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- The Hawker Siddeley HS 748 is a British turboprop airliner developed in the 1950s.
From the outset, the HS 748 - sometimes called the “Hawker” - was envisioned as a Douglas DC-3 replacement, able to carry between 40 and 48 passengers.
Of course, as with many rare airplanes featured on this channel over the years, a few of them are still flying in Canada!
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The hawkers make great cargo aircrafts lol
They actually outlasted the dash 8-100s at wasaya.
Wasaya retired their 2 cargo dash 8-100s just recently :)
Also great video by the way! I’m from one of the communities that wasaya serves up north and it’s great to see videos like these :)
This youtuber is so nice
Well what do you expect from Canada? XD
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I have ever flew HS 748 in 2003, shuttle four an hour from Ambon to Langgur Indonesia everyday that operated by Bali Air ... HS 748 is a great aircraft....
I've flown in military variants in RAF use, (They were known as Andovers.) flying from RAF Wildenrath in Germany to RAF Northolt in North London. I also flew in an Andover of 115 Sqn out of RAF Gutersloh in Germany, we flew around over a training area as the aircraft acted as an aerial signal relay station, then the crew took us on a jolly over the Möhne Reservoir and over the dam, like the Lancasters of 617 Squadron.
Hi
My dad. Worked on 748s right from the first flight I remember him describing the mod of fitting the8 foot wide cargo door to the type .
Great to see that 1 or 2 are still up there !not bad for a type that is now 64 years old !
I illustrated the spare part manuals for the military version of the 748 in about 1973. One 748 that stood out to me was a version equipped with stretcher beds
Nice to see these old birds again. If I remember correctly, the design evolved into the BAE ATP.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. One of my earliest flights was on a Skyways HS748 in 1972, from Lympne in Kent, England to Beauvais in northern France. Happy days!
This airplane brings back childhood memories back 40 years ago ,traveling to and from different Islands in the Azores,Portugal with SATA and hearing those engines roar. Still one of my favourite prop planes👍🏻👍🏻
Can't get enough of these informative format videos Alex! I've said it before, I'll say it again- you are the most hidden, underrated gem in the aviation topic here on CZcams and you do Canadian Aviation justice!
I'd love to see something about Buffalo Airways in Yellowknife! This is my favourite Air channel
Incredible video! The 748 is a great aircraft, and it’s sad to see them so rare today. Hey speaking of older planes, I’d love to see a trip report on an Embraer EMB-120 Brasilia if you ever get the chance :)
I can remember this aircraft when they flew on domestic services within Germany in the early 80s (mostly on "thinner" routes), operated by an airline called DLT (Deutsche Lufttransport) on behalf of Lufthansa!
I remember watching them fly to/from Terceira Island, AZ in the 70s. It was impressive to watch the TAP crews make crosswind landings in the notorious winter winds. They would operate when no one else was doing so.
It is a plane that I am so used to seeing as work and live in Timmins and usually see one or both on the tarmac of the Timmins Airport when I fly out of YTS.
Mt Cook Airlines of NZ flew Hawkers for 28 years. Their reputation is 2nd to none. A couple of these went to Air North who flew them nearly as long again!
I knew there were many older aircraft flying in Canada but I thought those were only in the far north where larger more modern aircraft couldn’t fly. I feel like there is a lot on CZcams about American aviation but not Canadian aviation. Good work
We had HS 748 at Eastern Provincial Airways in the 80's. Tough and rugged, and a very unique sound of the Darts; especially with alcohol boost on takeoff.
Seeing a 'Budgie' again brings back many memories of ABZ...
And those RR Darts are definitely a sound that live with you forever having spent many hours working Fokker F27s!
We still have one last HS748 at Air Creebec. It will be retired within the end of 2024.
Learn something every day on YT. Thanks for posting this great video!
I remember that I once flew HS748, operated by BA, from Glasgow to Belfast City Airport in summer, 1993. Love this short trip which takes about 50 minutes.
Yup The Hawker Siddley HS748's I used to Fly on them back then in my home country Barbados in 1989 & beyond before they retired Alex nuff respect to all your Videos on Aviation & Travel Dream Big on Aviation man keep going 100% Awesome Video!!!!
Calm Air had a few of these planes…what I remember was you were either freezing or overheated in a Hawker.
Wasaya actually only had one hawker flying the past while, the super tanker. But it's been grounded for the last few months due to, of all things, a broken DV window. They can't find a replacement anywhere in the world so it might spell the end of hawker use at Wasaya.
Good day Alex.
First of all I want to say that the information in the video is very accurate about the hs 748.
I used to fly them from 2018 to 2021. It was a blast to fly yet scary at the same time (way underpowered without water methanol)
The plan for Creebec is to replace them in the near future with cargo dash 8 just like you’ve said in the video.
Love your video!
Why didn't they took the chance to buy the ATP from same airline they got their last remaning 748's from? - West Atlantic (earlier West Air Euorope/Sweden) I think several ATP's is still stored in south of Sweden
ATP can carry more load than both D8-100 and 748, while still have alot in common with 748 since it's a furher development. I don't know for sure but I think ATP is also is good for rough airfields since some were sold to african companies.
Good question. Creebec is a small company, with only a few pilots type-rated on the Hawker. When I was flying cargo over there we were busy before Christmas, but work slowed down significantly until the winter road closure.
My assumption is that with a single airplane type, all pilots could handle cargo or passenger flights, preventing downtime for cargo pilots in winter.
Thank you for this HS 748 video, a nice reliable airplane.
I flew on a HS748 over 40 years ago and remember it as being a very comfortable aircraft. Believe me or not it was a flight from what was then Chicago's small downtown airport called Meigs field and the final destination was Carbondale Illinois with a stop ( I think) in Springfield IL. The airline was a small regional airline called Air Illinois. At the time it served many mid sized Illinois towns and a place or two in Indiana. I was visiting some friends at Southern Illinois University and it was around Halloween. I remember flying back to Chicago on Halloween and having one of the flight attendants young daughter passing out candy to the passengers. It's funny, I can barely remember what I did yesterday yet I remember this! Probably because I am an aviation geek 🤓!
Always interesting that the "road" to so many Canadian aviation stories leads to Thunder Bay.
My favorite aircraft. I grew up around them in the 80s in Pickel Lake/Thunder Bay. There is no sound cooler than the sound of a Hawker spinning up!!
I got to fly on a hawker, when we went in for landing I thought we were gonna die I won’t even lie. The guys I flew with are absolutely insane when it comes to flying and landing, but they are both extremely skilled pilots. Overall it was a fun experience, I even helped unload smaller boxes since I wasn’t at my destination yet.
The HS748 was the first aircraft I ever flew on. Back in '67 I flew from Lympne in Kent UK which had a grass runway to an airport near Paris for school holiday.
Gotta love the sound of a Dart, takes me back to flying on Viscounts and Heralds.
This is so cool! We fly cargo by Air Creebec - usually YTS to YMO, and usually Dash 8s - so it is especially interesting to see these old aircraft. 😀
In 2004 I flew on an Air North HS 748 Combi from Whitehorse to Dawson City. I had toyed with flying to Inuvik to see the transit of Venus in the midnight sun but perpetual cloud off the Beaufort Sea meant I wouldn't see much, so I visited family in Dawson City instead.
The Air Creebec Cargo was also used to deliver freight to the De Beers Victor Diamond mine located 90km west of the First Nation Community of Attawapiskat on the James Bay Coast in Northern Ontario. This mine was road access only during the winter months via a 370 km winter ice road from Moosonee, Ontario.
Really interesting. There are so many remote parts of Canada that really depend on air cargo. Road access is non-existent and those communities, often First Nations reserves, would be lost without them.
This video is as beautiful as interesting, great work !! Thanks very much for sharing this, I'll be there for the next ones 🙂
love this style of video
Northern Canada and rural Africa have a lot in common. Cheap old planes that are Mx intensive.
Also, Gateway Aviation, out of Edmonton, was one of the first 748 operators in Canada in the early '70s. Love the sound of those screaming RR engines. :-)
Flew on those between Whitehorse and inuvik. Loud as hell and cold inside
I believe Eastern Provincial Airways had some of them flying in the maritimes
Uno de los aviones mas lindos que se hayan construido
Very interesting TY
An interesting report....thanks!
I can't get over how much it looks like it's about to tip over backwards.
One unusual feature of the HS 748 is the massive wingspan (102 ft) for the size of the aircraft (overall length 67 ft). Wingspan is 9 ft more than the 737-200 (93 ft vs overall length 100 ft).
Please do a history of Canadian Airlines! I work in n industry and frankly I kinda miss them.
Great job friend
In the UK, I think they were nicknamed "Budgies"
In my whole career I had 2 engine failures during flight. Both on the Hawker 748.
I have flown 3 cycles on those.
That avro 748 landed hard
Budgies one favourite aircraft
Only 50 years old? Not ready for Buffalo yet.
I've aalways associated that distinctive sound with Indiana Jones for some reason. Flew Iqaluit-Pangnirtung-Iqaluit on First Air 748 in 1990, and Air NZ (Mount Cook Airline) from Christchurch to Auckland in 1993. BTW, not all fo Canadian Airlines got purchased by Air Canada and it left the Québec regional airline Inter-Canadian that had "interesting" on and off relationship with CP. Inter Canadien went into liquidation and the ATR42 and F28s were sold. This was right about the same time as First Air got ATR42. Apparently they needed a fair bit of maintenance on floors due to corriosion in fgalleys.
Inter-Canadian went bankrupt in April 2000 and First Air purchased 5 of their ATR 42s from the Royal Bank. They entered service in late 2001. I loaded C-FIQU and C-FIQR in Yellowknife. The cargo netting that came from Inter-Canadian was absolutely useless for volume securable and time consuming.
A very capable aircraft, what would you replace it with ? Ex USAF C.130H Perhaps for cargo use, if you need the extra cargo capacity.
Ah, the Budgie as it was affectionately known. I flew on Dan-Air and British Airways examples back in the 80s. Shame I won’t get one last chance to experience the whine of those Dart engines on another flight but time waits for no man as they say.
Hey Alex, seeing that Air North has elected to replace the Avros with the ATR, I am left wondering how the aviation community (and professionals alike) see the ATR vis-a-vis its much publicized icing issues.... Is it deemed equally safe as other designs, or is it simply a case of making do with what is available on today's market?? Thanks
Have you done one about the metroliner yet ?
Avro's are beautiful aircrafts..
Are there large government subsidies in place for air services to rural parts of Canada?
it still flies in Nepal n india 2
Starting to see ATRs outpacing classic Dash operations.. I get why but makes me sad... I will always be a classic Dash fan
They make great Combination cargo/passenger remote haulers. The pre loaded cargo up front keeps it from sitting on its ass.
Is Buffalo Airways still around?
Yea
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