EA Sports WRC Review │ This Is The Truth - Deal With It ☕
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- čas přidán 3. 11. 2023
- I review EA Sports WRC and let you know if it's worth getting and what's good and what's bad about this title. If you are fed up with the flood of anodyne, non-critical tripe surrounding this game, then you will probably enjoy this video that I tailor-made for intellectually high-class tea drinkers and people able to look at video games in a somewhat critical manor.
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Aside from the performance and stuttering, the biggest problem for me is there is just too much tyre grip. In hairpins and tight turns the gravel feels like slightly slippy tarmac. You can break the rear end grip but it very aggressively regains grip again, there isn’t enough progression in the loss and re-acquisition of grip.
exactly. ironically its the equal but opposite problem dirt rally 2.0 had. i feel like the physics for that were designed for gravel then adapted for tarmac, and for this game they were designed for tarmac then adapted for gravel.
since the most exciting and differentiating thing about rally is sliding around on gravel, i will take the former over the latter anyday.
To add to that, the handbrake behavior is very strange. No pendulum effect, just like DR2 but even worst cuz of high grip levels.
they prob released the alpha handling on accident lmao
Hmmm... maybe learn to drive then??? Or maybe learn to tune a rally car to be aggressive and to oversteer and powerslide it??? You know... maybe in a realistic rally game you should drive realistically like a rally car should be driven???
Just saying... cause unlike every dumbass in this comment sections I do know how to drive a rally car and I do powerslide my car any time I want and it doesn't regain grip until I want it to... hmmm... maybe I'm special??? Oh wait... I know how to tune and fucking DRIVE the car to do all those things...
do the words THROTTLE MANAGEMENT and WHEEL MANAGEMENT in a hairpin turn mean ANYTHING to you???
people complain about everything and don't bother to think if they're doing things right or not... stupidity knows no boundaries in 2023...
@@socks2441 It's literally the same gravel physics as DR2, maybe with some slight tweaks to reduce grip in some scenarios. Go set Traxion's recommended FFB settings, and then tweak from there. The FFB is having a disproportionate impact on people's impression of the physics in WRC
Thank you. After 4 hours on a really high end system, I wondered why do many reviews portray a different (I.e. glowing) experience. Sound aside, and ignoring issues like stuttering that will get fixed, the design is dismal. I second all your observations. I would add that they picked “dusty tan” as the color of all road surfaces - tarmac or dirt or gravel, new or old road. In addition the environment feels like a 3D computer graphics model mated with a water color painting from the 1800’s. We have the haze that prevails everywhere and under almost all weather conditions and time of day. It took a while for the kinks to get worked out of WRCG, but other than for multi-player and sound, WRCG is far more immersive, fun, exciting, and detailed.
Spot on on the colours. So many different vibrant locations around nearly all continents and in minds of CodEmAsters they all have the same water paint dulled colours, exactly... Jeez it's depressing to find out Chile, Kenya, Greece and Indonesia all have the same ground and vegetation colours 😂
Yes, even just looking at videos, the tracks have a very different feel and look to them then the ones from Kylotonn. The tracks from Kyloton felt real, diverse, alive and just more pleasing. With this game, you can easily see the repitition of the assets. And with rally games, it's all about the tracks and their environments.
The best thing to come out of this game is that I’m playing Dirt Rally 2 again and loving it
😂 Good one
Jo me too... was running ea wrc for 1 hr than i refund and installed dr 2 again..
@@ItsMe-yg4yiyou just described exactly what I did
Im going to reinstall DR1 and keep y DR2...
eaWRC will be bought later when bugs ironed out
the physics are certainly better much more bumpy too. EA fucked up. geez im shocked
I think one of the biggest shames is that the fantastic Kylotonn games and their brilliant stages have now just been forgotten and were ignored by so many of the racing playerbase at the time.
Yep. Once the kinks got worked out of generations, it is fantastic, and scales equally well to full rigs (motion, gforces, wind, dashes, triples, 4K). I wondered whether EA Rally meant I would have two rally games to play. Not at this point!
.. the kinks never got worked out of generations though?? I raised hell on twitter and reddit like many others regarding:
1. throttle bug (unresponsive and 0 throttle below 30-40% pedal/trigger actuation)
2. clutch does not actuate unless held for 1-2 seconds on controller
3. rain braking is BAD. rain stages look downright TERRIBLE (no transparency in rain, appears shiny/white)
4. boost bug, nuff said
5. disgraceful sound design ( engines/gravel effects)
6. Button mapping/audio settings reset (controller/wheel presets reset constantly too) ps5
Many Many people have complained about these issues and you know what they did? They pulled the plug on supporting the game after like a year of bullshit updates. The gameplay was fun, but all the bugs I ran into genuinely ruined my experience. I particularly enjoy time trial leaderboards which were unreliable at best given the bugs mentioned above. Lost allllll my hope in the devs of generations. wrc 23 is muchhhhhh better so far. @@netlawman2001
I totally agree… the stages in WRC Generations are just so much more fun and not monotonous. The handling model in WRC Generations might not be what some people would say is “realistic”, but you really felt like you were making the car dance around the bends… and the single player career mode was good and engaging too.
I also feel like we’ve lost out… it would’ve been better to keep Kyloton on the WRC licence, and then had Dirt Rally 3.0 (this game) as an alternative…
only 9 and 10 were fantastic rest were garbage.
@@RoqueM1 generations is fantastic. I have only ever used 10 and generations. I prefer G.
The first honest review I’ve seen of this game. Thank You!
The honesty of Gamermuscle is why I always wait for his reviews. Feeling the same thing about the game.
I'm feeling the complete opposite 😅
Yea, he seem to be one of the most fair reviewers out there. Obviously you will not always agree with him, but I tend to have similar opinions and views as him.
@@bernardoberner4 How much did EA pay you to be this dishonest : ) : ) : )
This review is bang on. I knew within 20 mins of messing around with the settings and trying to play. The problems ahead of me were not worth it and refunded. Not acceptable on release.
I was running RBR on triple screens with head tracking a Decade ago?! geez, time flies. Loved the physics maps that were attached to the textures, you could have everything from small ripples to big braking bumps, all defined by a text file linked to a texture =P
I don't think RBR has proper triple screen though does it? It's stretched like in DR2.0.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 You need mods to be able to play it like that.
Totally agree with the snapness while drifting or handbraking. The surface of the stages are worse than DR 2.0 but better than WRC Generations, it should be like real surfaces according to John Amstrong. And I am also missing the random events, I wanna see DNF cars and all other stuff from DR 2.0. I'm having fun, but at the moment it needs a lot or patches. I believe the titel is launched sooner than it supposed to due license and contract with the WRC Promoter or something.
Yea, looks alright but I don't see a reason to buy this in its current state. Feels a bit soulless tbh, the sounds are amazing but thats about it.
I dont believe a word out of that dull looking Armstrong dude who gets paid to talk. Realistic 😂
The story of game development for a few years now. Boards setting ureasonable deadlines for a fast cash out and developers loosing their sanity to have a "playbable" game on the rushed realease date 😆
100 % agree on the stages lacking character
I don't always agree with you, GM, but this time we are in complete agreement. It looks worse, plays worse, and performs worse than DR2.0, and is quite frankly a disappointment.
Also what has been highlighted to me through other WRC reviews from the "simfluencer" populous, is that they appear to be more interested in keeping those pre-release keys flowing rather than actually doing their job and telling us the truth.
Yeah, noticed that too, other channels blatantly lie straight to our face .. Probably paid to say good things! I unsubed from many channels.. Why would anyone waste his time listening to scammers and liars who want to manipulate you!
100%
Double 100%
@@iyadkamhiyeh527i did unsub as well, as Lawrence was crying a lot when i wrote that this game is trash, and he was payed 😂 fck them 😂
That completely static dashboard looks ridiculous 😂😂
The insta grip is very noticeable on 24:52 and 25:32. The funny part is that the old WRC's were always trashed because of poor performance and stuttering, yet, now we see some reviewers minimizing the same issues. The sad state of sim racing in 2023.
Its noticeable on so many instances through the video its honestly hard to watch.
Not just the grip, but the inertia of the car is all wrong, sliding of the gravel track going 140 and car is dropping speed faster than an F1 car would with slicks on pure racetrack.
Awful.
I think its a disgrace that the state of modern sim racing games are at in 2023 when surely they know that most sim racers are now spending thousands on racing equipment to play these games..
Looking at the last sim exbo the equipment thats out and been out and due out is lightyears ahead of most iff all racing titles...
Im shocked that codemasters/ EA have taken the easy way and ripped us off knowing were all sim racing junkies and sold us mario cart disguised as dirt rally....
I wonder how they will dangle the carrot next year to fool us into believing were getting dirtrally????.
Couldn't agree with you more on track surface. Take Finland, it feels like someone has gone round the tracks with a steam roller and flattend them all out where as in Dirt Rally 2.0 the surface is trying to kill you with all the lumps and bumps. Kenya in this game is much more like it though surface wise I wish all the off road tracks were more like that.
I think we should stop buying unfinished games, i tryed 5 times to play this game but everything is just terrible, the Ffb, the stearing, physics, grafics, performance. Not even Nvidia has a driver support for this game. The smart thing to do is wait for fixes and try later.
I run this game on 4090 and 7950x3d and still very choppy experience.
I didn't, i never get a game on release, dont just say it. 😉
You are, of course, right about everything GM. The one great thing about the game is it's £40. That papers over a lot of cracks for me. BUT ...
Things that annoy me - many sections of landscapes look like they're from a 15 year old game - a hillside with trees looking like they're a placeholder rough cut and paste first attempt they forgot to go back and finish. The over exposure of the roads as seen from inside the car is staggeringly bad. Why is there no option where you could drive any stage at different times of the day instead of the time trial midday fixed option when the stark lighting shows up the shoddy graphics in places?
I don't get a real sense of place from any of the tracks, there are not enough random visual elements on stages as there would be in real life - it all seems be to a formula, like the stages were procedurally generated by a non creative AI.
I do enjoy the game somewhat, but all the time I'm thinking about the sub-par handling, the "unfinished" graphics in some stages and the poor optimisation.
Please Codemasters can you finish the game soon and patch the hell out of it, you could so easily have had the best rally game ever on your hands, you still can with a little polish, care and professionalism.
Fully agree with you.
Mexico looks horrific while Chile is stunning.
Very mixed bag graphically.
Obviously framerate issues abound but I love the locations and I'm enjoying the career.
It absolutely feels like it needed 6 more months though.
I'm sure when the patches come all will be well.
I'm addicted to it though.
PS5 owner here , my pc couldn't handle this unfortunately.
Pretty much everything you have said is true on ps5 version too , apart from game crashes which I've had none of .
Unfortunately we are all paying to be beta testers these days which is fine with developers like Rieza for instance because you know they will stick with it , will ea stick with this long enough.
I think we are not even beta testers, because the performance issues and graphics will never even be fixed lol
Dirt Rally 2.0 came out 4/5 years ago
Dirt Rally came out 8/9 years ago
Feels like those games came out yesterday...
visually it feels like they came out yesterday too when compared to the new wrc games graphics, lol. they look (and perform) incredibly for 4-9 year old games.
This is the first review which doesn't seem to be sponsored by EA.
Despite being an RBR modder (creating stages), I understand arcade / simcade games have their place on the market, so I am not going to hate it for how simplified it is in many ways. But as one who have some idea about what's possible with the current hw & sw, I find ridiculous how such big companies with all that budget and years of development can produce such indie-like game, with basic flaws like non movable traffic signs...
The release was either super rushed, or they simply didn't care because they knew people will buy it anyway thanks to that ridiculous amount of sponsored reviews and the fact it's gonna be the only modern rally game for some time.
Bro nowadays it's very difficult to find a trustworthy reviewer, many are just paid idiots who repeat the same script over and over again.. Sad times..
Yh, they spend more on marketing than dev.
You nailed it on multiple points. Probably both the rush and no care parts are equally true, especially since, like you said, they know well theyr are as of now the only rally game in tge market. Which basically means it's only downhill from here. This is what monopoly will always be, when you have no competition you can produce shit and rake in money anyway. People just need to snap out of it, since video games are at least non-necessary products to buy from monopolistic corporations
Sad but true mate.
Games are supposed to be fun, this isn't a simulator. It is so much fun. It's got amazing audio, amazing handling _on a controller_ (i can't afford a wheel), amazing stages, good graphics, a really good selection of cars and personally i haven't had huge performance issues, just a shader compilation stutter when driving a stage for the first time. I friggin' love this game.
the roads are flat. there is no convex shape to them like real roads for drainage. i guess that would have made the game too hard for casual players as it may add to the 'magnetized to walls' effect.
there are also not enough bumps, not enough diversity to the surfaces, not enough on camber or off camber corners. not enough uphills and downhills.
it all just feels very... flat.
When creating custom rally and enabling track degradation the game transforms totally, to the better.
I believe ppl are judging the tracks when playing only time trials. In time trial the tracks are smooth, no degradation.
Is it bad I could tell by watching all the ‘hyped’ pre release videos, that the driving would suck. I was like why aren’t these people sliding? Why aren’t they spinning out some? Why do all the stages look so dull? CZcams used to be the place to go for reviews, the sellout and paid promos then lying about needs to stop. Thanks GM for sticking to you guns.
The promo campaign for this game is really eye opening for me. I have unsubscribed from so many youtubers ...
Yeah it is really sickening. The clickbait thumbnails showing everyone's reaction mug 😲😲is another subject lol. People just be honest. Its that simple..... or is it? @@jendabekCZ
@@jendabekCZyeah me too, it's unbelievable how many CZcamsrs are willing to blatantly lie and manipulate gamers into thinking this is a good game! Just disgusting..
@@Username_Invalida lot of people have no problem selling their soul for some quick buck.. Sad times.. Already unsubed from many channels..
@@iyadkamhiyeh527 The difference between critics vs Steam score speaks for itself. Currently 8-9/10 vs 6.3/10.
Spot on review. I was exactly having the same feeling. Its like you said, we got no other new rally game, so we buy it anyway. The driving is fun, but it could have been so much better.
No we don't buy it anyway, if you keep buying garbage games, you help the devs keep lowering quality
@@iyadkamhiyeh527It's far from garbage.
Just needs patches for framerate and graphics.
@@iyadkamhiyeh527 it isn't that bad, I bought it and enjoyed it, if it didn't have DRM I would have pirated it
Couldn’t feel 1 rut in the gravel feels like I’m driving a hovercraft
Thanks for the honest review! So many reviewers these days aren’t honest enough anymore. They give bad games a pass. Probably, because they got the game for free and feel obligated to say nice things about it. We just want the truth!
We should unsub from dishonest CZcamsrs
@@iyadkamhiyeh527 I do.
The game feels sped up. It's like you're diving at 1.25x all of the time
The footage is definitely sped up. I'm not sure why he doesn't mention it.
The best word that sums it up for me is “safe”. To a ridiculous degree. They were so focused on “not alienating potential customers” they forgot to make a good game. Imagine Burns had had that attitude! RBR would have been pointless trash, but with risk taking and NOT compromising, Warthog made a masterpiece. Yes, EA WRC is hyper safe and Corporate. Without a doubt.
Agree with you on the inconsistent stage quality, Dirt Rally 2 stages have more thought put into them, comparing the New Zealand stages. WRC NZ stages all feel the same even within a single stage it gets repetitive.
'thought'...? They're all real stages, both DR2.0 and WRC. There is no 'thought', it's pure mapping. Yes, DR2.0 has more detailed stages, but they did not look at all like the actual location. Colour grading was all off especially. NZ is one of the poorer locations in EA WRC, passable... but feels rushed.
You're having a laugh otherwise though, the EA WRC stages are 100x better than Dirt Rally boring flat stages. We had so few locations at launch, then just got remasters. Mexico, Portugal, Chile, Indonesia, Kenya, Italy, Corsica... all great. Snow locations are great. There are a few underwhelming ones like NZ, Estonia, Croatia. None of them are BAD, they're all real stages but need more stage dressing and foliage/tree detail.
@martsum398 The road mapping and elevation data might be "real" but I have driven through some of these stages as I live in New Zealand and some stages only 40mins away. DR2 matches up much closer, WRC didn't match up, the visuals look way off for NZ roads, also the way the car feels on the gravel, DR2 feels closer to what I have experienced. I'm still enjoying the game Kenya is a blast plus a bunch of other countries but to say the stages are 100x better that did make me giggle.
@@JaredPaul01 I live in NZ too, and I think both DR2.0 and WRC don't really feel or look like NZ at all. WRC NZ seems rushed quite rushed and lacking detail, seems super wide roads too.
The performance problems are really a turn off for me, especially when playing a driving game... If it was a single player RPG with a ton of cutscenes then maybe that's ok? But a driving game that really focuses on visual speed and precision should have performance at the top of the requirements. I would say even more so than with an FPS because at least you get to shoot more than once... lol
Finally an honest review.
No it's "true review" I was one of if the first simracing channel titling things as "honest review" mostly as a joke because it's a stupid title....
Fast forward 7 years and everyone is doing it , obvously copying me because I'm so sexy.
So now it's "true review" and we will see how long it takes for people to copy my genius again.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Hah, either way - thank you so much for this! Really appreciate it!!
It feels like the handling is set up to make controller handling easier. Maybe they could do two handling defaults like PCars2 - Stable for controllers and loose for wheels.
It seems like controller users always ruin it for wheel users lmao
@@anthonyt219 and wheel users always ruin it for controller users.
I think a lot of the performance problems with EA Sports WRC are down to the dev team moving to Unreal engine and not fully understanding how to get the best performance out of it. I can't help but feel that they would have made a better looking game with a more stable frame rate if they'd stuck to using the Ego engine.
They changed because with Unreal, they could create longer tracks. I actually wonder if they did have to switch anyway, why not immediatly go with Unreal Engine 5 instead of 4.
I'm creating a car game myself with Unreal Engine, and the car physics from UE4 and UE5 are very different to set up. I just skipped UE4 and am going with UE5 as that's the way forward for things.
Just one 30km stage per country, two if you count reverse. So I rather have this game running on ego engine and stages long as 12 or 15km. Because that you only have two unique stages per country, one 30km and one 12km. Then they are driven reverse, spliteted in halv and again driven reverse so thats why you get 12 stages per country
WTF CODIES WTF! NO TELEMETRY EVEN AND SHADER COMP. For a company been in the game industry as long as Codemasters ie micromachines I can't wrap my head around it....... why!?!
I've been off road racing for over a decade now. I started when I was 12. We don't do rally but it's very similar in a lot of ways. We race around closed off roads through the forests and some street circuits. My current weapon of choice is a Subaru BRZ rwd but I think calling it a Subaru at this point is a stretch lmao. Before then I raced an awd dodge challenger that I unfortunately wrapped around a tree mid race.
I only bring all that up because I feel like folks in the racing community like to know your experience before giving your opinions.
With that being said the first thing I noticed about this game is how authentic the handling feels. It feels like the tires actually bite into the gravel and I'm not sliding around on ice. In real life you have significantly more grip than you think and sliding through corners is an advanced technique that takes years of practice. That snapping forward thing you're talking about is a real life thing. Cars aren't meant to slide. The aero dynamics of the car want to make it go straight. If you counter steer too hard in a slide you'll snap forward. Especially in gravel and pavement. The opposite of that is if you over steer you'll loose the rear end. You need to find the sweet spot to hold the slide and counter steer when you want to straighten out. The reason this feels weird to you is because dr1 and 2 feel like the tires do absolutely nothing and slide over the gravel like it's ice. In this game I use genuine racing techniques. In dirt rally I can just throw the car around like it means nothing.
Also the handbrake in this game feels very realistic. Whenever you full on lock your wheels your car instantly becomes un predictable. You should avoid using it at all times. Relying on it is a sign of an amateur driver. Hand brake turning is also slowing 9 times outta 10 than flowing through the corner. Drifting is for showing off, sliding is for racing.
Other than the performance of the game being shit at launch, I'd say everything else you bring up is matter of opinion. But thats just the nature of a game review.
If you wanna play a fun video game then go for dirt rally games. If you want to play an authentic off road game then play this....or beam ng 😁
In short... I concur.
It's the first time I've pre-ordered a game, as I felt it was reasonably priced for an upgraded & modernisised Dirt Rally 2.0, with official WRC content, but wow, this EA WRC game is a major disappointmen!
The extremely poor performance & graphics are shocking in 2023. I can't see how the poor UX with navigation & input bugs got passed devs or even soulless marketeers. It's clearly been designed by committee, and not for even mildly interested rally/motorsports fans.
I can see this title being slashed to €20 in early 2024... and it maybe will be worth it then.
I never rated the "opinions" of content-creators too highly before, but the pre-release content from other mainstream youtubers for this game is another nail in the coffin for impartial commentary and credibility. I'm talking here about people I can tell were once real motorsports fans... not just the insta-ghouls or twitch-twats!
Thank you so much for your honesty. I’m an older gamer, and always liked racing with a wheel. I have a thrust master TX now which is pretty decent. I haven’t done a rally cross ever before. I have always stuck to the NASCAR games and I really like project cars 2… from the information that you have given us. I think I’m gonna start out with dirt rally 2… Thanks!! 😎
You should also check Richard Burn's Rally. Rally Sim Fans (RSF) version
14:20 thats a negative, not a positve to me. i want to be punished for leaving the track, even if its just going wide.
in real really they dont remove boulders from the sides of tracks, road signs etc, its a real road, it has these things. its only a rally track a tiny percentage of the time. the rest of the time its a public road.
i agree on lots of the things yoiu say but the part about tracks feeling newly surfaced i think actually is quite realistic. on most wrc events i have been to the gravel roads are fixed and widened before the cars are allowed to run
I realised people would bring this up.
Even on a newly surficed stage there is still way more variation at the edge , way more details and divots edge variations , hillside variations , foliage variation.
About the stages in game, for example in the Portuguese rally the stages ingame are not the real rally stages, they dont even have the Fafe stage with the jump in the end. if it is a Licenced WRC game i can't imagine the reason they did not use the real stages.... even generation was spot on in this
its rumoured that stage was made for dirt rally 3 before they got the wrc licence. hence they couldnt use the 'official' stage, but chose a real road nearby instead. but all the other stages were made after obtaining the licence and therefore are based on the real stages.
they didnt do a very good job though, real or not they all look so boring and repetitive.
I couldn’t desagree more with you. I really like the game. The cars have a lot of personality and the physics are great in this game. I only play iRacing and Richard burns btw. Refreshing rally game in 2023
I held out absolutely zero hope for this series. RBR is all I need honestly, its so perfect. and I only came to RBR after being stubbornly resistant for years!
my goodness the graphics are quite flat and dull too
Like I know there sheer variety of CPU and GPUs combos are hard to cater for, BUT, do you remember a time when game devs used to release games that actually worked?
no
@@AndrewPeddie well I do.
Finnally a Truly realistic review of this game.
I wanted to thank you for your honesty
Keep on the good work!
Yes, when I was driving the tracks felt somehow off to me as well. I was wondering why I was having Dirt 4 flashbacks. It was because the roads look too consistent like you said.
There was one thing I noticed. In WRC Generations (and 10, maybe older games to) had drones following you in some places. Not in this game.
Although your opinion is valid as any, i wanted to let you know if you already didn't that for this game atleast some (maybe all) stages are replicant of real stages. So we have "real" stages compared to KT games fictional ones (SSS excluded)
@@Tulizukka I am aware that they are at the very least based on real stages. That however doesn't excuse that the road surfaces look almost completely consistent (like no skidmarks left by other cars, cracks), there is not enough variety in the road textures used within a single stage, or the subpar visuals in places. In comparison to Dirt Rally 2.0 that is.
@@laszlomiko9085 Thats true and agree with👍
A true review at last…I agree with you on handling being off. Personally I thought the original Dirt Rally had the best handling. I.m finding driving the latest hybrid’s really difficult to control.
They handle worse than previous generations irl too. The suspension and awd system is less sophisticated than previous generations of cars.
best review so far
it aligns perfectly with my thoughts of the game
Great video. Are we really going to sit here and pretend this has a anything on WRC Generations? Generations is dog walking this game. All the bullying from 2.0 fans all of this time. That smug, “ you’ll see how it’s really done” attitude all of this time, for this?
My biggest gripe is that the stages are just boring. Like, every once in a while you'll go through a small town or something, and it's like cool, but then you go back to the barren wastelands that is Codemaster stage design. The attention to detail just isn't there. There is no character to these stages and the immersion factor is low. The level of detail at @20:37 for that section of the Japan stage is how the whole game should have been. So just like the AI, the quality consistency is all over the place. I honestly had the feeling this would be state of the game pre launch when I saw the price tag. Not even a full price game tells me they didn't even have much hope in it or that theyre gonna rely on microtransactions in the future.
Edit: I posted this comment right before you got to the stage design and yes, I agree lmao
I watched through the whole video and didn't even cry, I'm proud of myself
Same. You and I need to go outside 😂
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Great in depth review. Really disappointed the handling isn’t better and that there’s no Rallycross. DR and DR2 RallyX has been a staple for playing with mates in different countries for a decade now.
F1's "reviews" were very similar where all the EA content creators mentioning no negatives. WRC is a big disappointment for most people as you can see from the Steam reviews.
ive seen what feels like thousands of reviews. all mindlessly praising the game, ignoring the flaws you can even see clearly just watching gameplay let alone actually being the one playing it.
its good to see someone do an honest review that points out all the same things i have issues with.
First true review of this game I’ve seen so far! From my own experience I find that you truly nailed it, both the pros and the cons.
As for the performance issues (as also experienced by me on the PS5), they are not that different from Dirt 2 at launch. It took Codemasters a couple of months to fix them so hopefully they’ll work on it for this title also. I can honestly say that 30 minutes of rally Kenya gave me a serious headache!
What I find amazing is that Gran Tourism 7 run on the PS4 with amazing graphics, no stutter and no game breaking frame-rate drops while Codemasters doesn’t manage to get the game running smoothly on the PS5 even with subpar graphics!
It's total trash and the other channels were all paid to hype it.
@@rowlandjohnvanderwesthuize2164 yeah you're exactly right... I knew something was up when each of those BS "preview" videos started with "sponsored by EA" screen that not one of those youtubers suspiciously mentioned. Some even went as far as to say the are absolutely not paid, yeah right. One party gets early access code and tons of views and publicity, other party gets heaps of hype and skewed "previews" into positive, if at all, barely mentioning ANY negatives, like glaring stuttering, and people believe no money is being moved? . I have been so puzzled by so conflicting reactions all over social media that I watched hours upon hours of gameplay and "reviews" and yeah it's dull. Dirt rally didn't have much to offer in terms of single player, nor did KT WRC, but both, while very different, managed one thing most of times at least: physics, not perfect, visuals neither, nor physics - but driving and mastering it was ultimately fun and rewarding. Here it looks so way off. Like was said here, all cars look to be driving like modern rally1...
Also codemasters getting rid of dailies, weeklies and monthlies and just leaving it all to players to create and join Clubs to create their own experience OUTSIDE of the game is so lazy I cant actually believe it.
And again, as was said here in the review, ALL gravel roads look nearly identical, what the hell is up with that... Let alone its pristine look, the gravel road from country to country does not even have a different colour. Same with sky, with foilage, with distant views, from Kenya, through Sardinia, Greece, Spain, Estonia, Finland, Chile, just everything is the same colour. Stages are lifeless. There are quite a few runs through or near towns and villages, there should be big crowds, especially since we're talking about a supposedly officially licensed WRC product - they're so out of touch with the actual modern world that they dont even care about presenting their product as popular with fans on virtual stages... From codemasters being their usual (some things great, some things questionable at least), here comes ea and fia wrc to push the game into new engine and rush it to release. I'm so glad I've grown up into being financially reponsible in gaming spending and not thown my money into this.
Absolutely spot on man!!!
Hopefully the patch it, i noticed these as well bro, but still playing it we have no choice,
Hopefully next year this game gets better! :) i do enjoy the game so i jump between dirt 2.0 wrc game and this for rallying.
Very well made video keep up the great work. I hope devs lisened.
Fully agree with this review & I’m a bit annoyed the majority of other reviews didn’t bring up the same points as yours.
I’ve put it on the back burner for now until they put a few patches out.
Back to AMS2 & GT7 for me in the meantime
Love you honesty and fun comedy vibe, great review 👍
You nailed it. I knew something was off with the drifting and you explained it perfectly.
it feels off because it feels realistic and sliding through corners IRL is hard
2 Months on and I love the game now. Play it every day.@@projectgg6730
@@projectgg6730 Not on slippery surfaces. You don't regain grip with a snap. I see a lot of WRC vids and people's screens have sudden snap corrections when coming out of a slide. The hard part of sliding through slippery surfaces is that you can't stop, not that you can stop too easily.
@cokecan6169 I'm not a rally driver but I do off road racing. And I agree that it's not 100% accurate to real life but significantly more than any other rally game I've played. This snapping in game is exaggerated but very much a real thing even on snow. As a driver you have to learn how to ease in and out of slides or else that does happen. I only imagine it gets worse in a rally car that has like 3g of downforce and top of the line LSDs. Cars want to go straight and the wrc drivers you're watching are much more skilled than either of us will ever be lol
Totally agree, stutter fest (Thanks UE4) and very strange physics. Shame really as the tracks are great. Hopefully a patch or 2 can polish it up, but for now i'll stick to dr2.
It's UE5. And no stutters here.
its unreal engine 4, and there are absolutely stutters@@Ze-Ace
@@socks2441 just googled. Says UE5
interesting. it had been claimed a long time ago it was unreal engine 4. but i just looked into it and now there are places suggesting unreal engine 5. i suspect they are wrong and it is ue4, but cant be sure. so you might be right.@@Ze-Ace
@socks2441 yeah idk says ue5. I had stutters at first but no issues now. Also in the discord codies out up a post saying once the oath is ready there will be preshader comp to fix with stage stutters
I can't say I'm feeling what you are with the physics. I'm able to get a nice flow going, and I've yet to touch any tuning whatsoever. Maybe there is some hidden assist still bugged on?
One thing I definitely agree with is that my standards have been lowered in recent years. Actually having functional single player and friend's only endgame is such a breath of fresh air I'm willing to overlook a lot of faults. I'm just so sick of racing games perpetually funneling me into open matchmaking multiplayer, while stifling single player and friend's only elements. I mean just look at Forza Motorsport, with it's CarPG and joke AI. Why did they have to so thoroughly ruin the single player and friend's only experience?
I do agree the tracks look artificial.There is a huge difference between track and non track. And that they don't look like the location they are supposed to.
I am really disappointed by 1) the lack of innovation for the rallying. Yes, we get a car builder that seems awesome, but the races feel really dated. No random events, no unexpected failures, animals crossing (kenya is a waste for that!), super boring co pilot...
2) How can they mess up difficulty in a rally game so often??? WRC 10 was terrible, V-rally 4 the same, and this one the same :/
I agree with almost all the points here, finally a truly unbiased review. I just don't agree with the force feedback bit, it's so vague and muted that it's not very helpful or realistic feeling, at least in my experience. The tracks are varied but feel kinda empty and barren. Regarding the driving physics, I think it improved over DR2 but still far from realistic and the handbrake reactions are just plain weird. RBR is still the rally sim king, even after 20 years.
i wish they would bring back V-Rally. used to love those games.
I have a 5800x3d/4080 and the performance can still be abysmal at times. No way this game should run as poorly as it does given it looks like a last gen game...
i totaly agree with your review. i have some other things that should have been noted up. that is bad.
- inconistent co driver in reading phase notes, even on the earliest is not enough.
- Phase notes are maybe about 20% or more missing. the importance of the notes when it matter the most, maybe half or more is missing. or wrong. on a 3 left in monaco, co driver says "slight left" in a high speed, where the turn is a 3. maybe even tightens.
there have also been some miss information where it can be confucing. like Left over Jump" but does not mention whats comes fast right after the jump. that happened in sweden, keep left and keep right or even keep middle, is missing alot when it matters the most.
another note for example, i dondt remember stage or country, but there were almost same as sweden over the jump, but this was a "right over crest" so i tested to stay right over crest, but about 5 meters or less after crest, there was 1 right. and that was said after passing the crest.
so thrust issues to the co driver is 0% in my end.
- sometimes, the co-driver is hardly heard, and have to tune that sound at max, and tune down everything else of sound. to be able to catch a few notes, and due to its inconsistent reading then co driver starts "mumbling" where notes hardly with clear voice being heard. dondt know much about it.
other than that you covered up alot what i totaly agree with you.
I watched until the end… 🤣🤣
I agree with you; the sound is amazing… I actually like the graphics (not the glitches, which will hopefully get sorted). The main down side is like you say; it’s all a bit dull… the stages are longer, but quite monotonous… the car handling is quite dull and the menu system in the Career mode and during the rallies themselves is just ridiculously bad.
I’m hoping that in 2024 they come up with a really engaging E-sports mode which might save the game…
As someone who didn't have a wheel in the DR2 days and didn't like it at all on controller, I did the 5 hour trial for this on my wheel and it's nice to see a few gripes I had too, so it's not just me.
I agree on the stage surfaces looking weirdly fresh/uniform throughout the stage, but overall I felt the stage design in terms of character through elevation/camber/bumps was a big step above DR2, where all the stages felt boring to me. Not as good as Kylotonn stages though.
I had the weird snappy oversteer thing too while driving slow RWD things like the Hillman Avenger and found it weird, but I never really experienced the thing where it wants to pull itself back much. For me it was always like half or 2/3rds of the way through a corner, with a very steady slide that only needed minor countersteer and then just suddenly was sideways, always felt kinda the same but rarely happened in the same corner. It almost felt like I had hooked a rut that I couldn't see or something. Maybe I'm just bad though, I dunno.
I think this game is getting so much hate because the cars handle like real cars do in gravel so it takes actual racing techniques to get a good slide. What you just described happens all the time to the junior racers in my league (not rally but off roading) it sounds like your front diff opened up causing you to suddenly lose power to the front of the car, or you started to over steer, or you got on the gas too hard. keep practicing and learn to slide without the hand brake!
Spot on review, same issues on console except I've not had any crashes. Quite a lot of screen tearing as well. Hopefully they'll patch it along the way. Somewhere in here is a good game I think.
With EA in charge, hoping is accurate because there is probably 50% chance a thing will be fixed.
I think one thing that KT did right was the sliding of cars on dirt, you can really feel the roughness of the gravel and the sliding feels natural in their recent titles, which makes it fun. Gamer Muscle, you have said everything that I felt during my 3h go at the trial. The whole point of driving off road is THE FACT THAT YOU CAN SLIDE AND DRIFT THE CAR! Is this something that will take a long time to fix, and will they even fix??
The problem I got is the asphalt part has too much sliding but probably me being ass but I feel like asphalt is too sliding for me
except doing it in real life is significantly harder than in the dirt rally games. This game handles a lot more like a real car does and takes real techniques to slide thru corners. In dr 1 and 2 you can drive like the car is a toy and you're going over plastic
Great review. I ended up buying Dirt Rally 2.0 instead of WRC, because in the 5 hour trial i couldn't zoom into the game and felt it was a simple arcade game and not a drivingexperience. I played DR2 a lot on Xbox before i got a pc and now with full content and the better graphics etc. it just came to life again. DR2 is still the king for me.
Maybe a great rally game will be produced sometime
Yeah, when EA is not involved
11:05 you killed the marshal! 😂
All the games you mentioned had plenty years to update and stuff dirt rally 2.0 its not what we started with back then ill give it time and im having a blast playing it
you tested the final version or just the early version? cause you can't judge the performance of a game based on early version performance
Thanks for the review, happy to wait until they get out of Alpha.
Glad I'm not the only one who played this and had to check if assists were turned off.
WRC 23 is an arcade sim, truly disappointing.
Thank you so much for this honest review! I can confirm every single point you talked about and had the game refunded. I‘ll wait for your review before buying next time.
Cheers for this James, second time I’ve watched it lol I keep hoping for it to be good but fact is, it ain’t. You helped me come to my senses. AC it is then. One day we’ll get a proper rally game.
I just didn’t feel connected through the FFB, didn’t feel the weight of the car. I’m full time into iRacing where the FFB is criticized a lot, but that feels so much better. Saving the car from over- or understeer in that game goes intuitively and feel right. It’s probably what are conditioned by, but playing this game will harm the my feeling for IRacing. Hopefully next iteration they will focus more on car handeling and FFB. I refunded after playing an hout of it, who knows after some updates it gets better, but until then any hour in this game is time I’m not improving in IRacing.
You need to fix the FFB... lower the self align to 80, wheel friction to 40-45, Tyre Friction to 15, up the Suspension to 120-125 and lower colision to 80 or something...
If you keep the basic FFB it's gonna suck like it sucks in every racing game... anyway, do this and you'll feel how a real rally car should feel...
@@sportschool3537After the game is all patched up I will probably give it a try! Thanks for your detailed instructions! You’re very knowledgeable!
Series S player here, I'm only having issues with FPS and sttutering, but they're game braking and don't happen every stage. As fas as for the graphics, I personally think it looks better on my console than DR2
I really love your pure honesty, highly appreciated 👍👍👍 ❤❤❤ . Finally someone who hast the guts to tell the true. Me too: I always couldn't understand why some "reviewers" on youtube have hyped DR2 over DR1 over the last years. For me DR1 has always and will be always superior over DR2 . Dirt Rally 1 from 2015 is probably the best rally title Codemasters has spawned up to now - and RBR/Rallysimfans will be the king of today further on 😄.
All the best !!!
I agree, A disappointment and downgrade from Dirt Rally 2 in every way. They should have stuck with the ego engine and focused all their time and effort on improving physics and FFB. The ego engine looked and sounded beautiful and ran like a dream on a mid-range pc. All anyone wanted was an improved Dirt 2.0 with some new locations. What we got was a wet fart.
Agreed
I Agree as well why not keep a good base and improve the feeling
Ego engine can't do the long stages nessercary for a licenced wrc game. That's why they changed.
tell me you havent played the game without telling me you have played the game
@@didrikz5585 I agree with every point and played the game 🤦🏼♂️
On the career WHY they didn't lay out the week's possible events in an actual grid, like a calendar, is baffling.
The current ui for the weeks is so cumbersome to use
Im glad the "20 years" have made it to the review. Im 45 now and shouting "20 years" has at lot of applicatioms.
i agree with everything. With dirt 2 running 170fps and looking better than wrc running 77fps........i mean that is bad.
You're right i should be outside and not watching a 30minute review but I've been trying to watch as many reviews as possible to make sure that I actually think it's mediocre and that I've just been brainwashed into thinking it's amazing. The lack of rally games in the last years has proven why i found it to be so amazing but when it comes to black on white you're right, it's mediocre except for the sound.
You are right about the roads, it really is missing that last few percent of detail
They look very much copy/paste if that makes sense.
Something I'll add is if you put the distance on long you only get 9 stages also just to add to your point about ai I've found that if put it on long or medium distance from the 4th or 5th stage on you just start dominating out of nowhere hope they fix it
You are awesome, still on your roots and honest, best review and just to add, No VR support on launch…
I only drive RWD cars in DR2 and I quite enjoy handling there. Sliding is predictable and controllable. But in WRC I spent 10+ hours with Lancia Stratos and 037, trying different FFB and car settings, but was unable to make them enjoyable. Totally agree with your findings.
I did notice that all the footage shown in the video is from driving in time trial mode or playing another mode with very light surface degradation. Is that correct?
When you go into quick play solo (or championship or some others) and select your stage etc. there, you also have the option to chose the level of degradation you want.
If you do that and set it to maximum, it just transforms the stages and it really becomes a lot more enjoyable to drive.
No all from single player , have done 20 hours or so of it.
ah, another one of those stupid EA creators who have to thank EA every 2 mins for giving them a free key
@@GamerMuscleVideos Have you had a gravel stage where the surface degradation is on maximum by any chance?
Hope you don't mind me adding a bit more in regards to the handling itself.
I think the physics are in a good place generally speaking. WAIT! Continue reading please. Haha
There are two elements though I'd like them to work on more. The suspension for cars that aren't Rally3, Rally2 or Rally1 is a bit too forgiving. The other thing is what you mentioned as well where you start sliding the car but it then regains grip very quickly/aggressively. That's something which is really noticeable on tarmac (at least for me). You can work around it to a certain degree with the setup of the car such as adjusting the diffs in order to not make the rear end break out so abruptly. However, in a RWD car especially, but also FWD ones, it's not possible to have that natural throttle controlled slide. That's primarily down to the way torque based slip works in the game. I've actually discussed this in particular with Jon Armstrong, the ERC3 champion that's also a game developer for this title as you are aware of. If they can sort out the suspension in general, especially for the older cars, and the torque based slip issues on tarmac, I think the physics would be pretty spot on. Gravel to me feels really good, especially when the surface deg is set at maximum and tarmac is OK but mainly needs adjustments in the torque based slip department.
@@iyadkamhiyeh527 well, you can think that if you like though you don't know how or what my involvement is...
When pessimism turns into realty. I was so hoping to be wrong for once.
Hey man! You working on mods still?
@@SleepyPantsSimRacing looks like I'm gonna need AES keys for EA WRC lol
@GabenHood sorry for my ignorance but what are Aes keys?
@@SleepyPantsSimRacing a key to a lock on the 3D models in Unreal Engine games. Its how I got Bathurst out of ACC before giving the files to Reboot team.
@@GabenHood ahhh I see lok
I agree. On PS5 it looks quite soft and blurry. Road surfaces and materials seem to be lacking detail, maybe it is bump mapping or an anisotropic filtering issue, but they look bland. It seems the internal rendering resolution is low. Some assets look very low poly and generally it has a lack of polish. This, combined with poor performance is bizarre. The actual handing, FFB, and driving can be quite fun, but as someone with a full rig, with dashboards, wind, and transducers, having no UDP is a big miss. Having no support for Moza wheels is utterly bizarre. The audio is excellent, but on the whole it feels like either the devs don’t have enough experience with Unreal engine to optimise it properly, or it has been rushed out. Very disappointing and in several ways it does feel like a side or downgrade from previous titles. I also really enjoyed rallycross in DR 2.0, so it is sad not to see that.
Totally agree on the physics with regards to drifting. Its just like the last game, In the 4WD rally cars there is zero ability to throttle-oversteer once you get past 2nd gear on gravel. The throttle is limited, so its impossible to power-slide/drift on longer, faster bends. The Rally 1 cars should handle more like the RX cars did in DR2.0. You could actually hold a drift in the RX cars. The torque shouldn't drop off to almost zero after 2nd gear in a modern WRC car.
I've watched people drive on gravel in this new game and on 3rd gear bends the power drops off to almost zero, so you jab the brake to shift the weight forward again or flick the wheel to the inside, then open the throttle to try and get a bit of power oversteer going but the throttle is dead.
This is one of the reasons physics wise why RBR is still better than the Dirt Rally games. The cars have some torque in higher gears. They keep the throttle limited in these Dirt Rally games because it has to be fun for the casual gamer. Its a game that has to be fun for the widest audience possible, not the much smaller sim crowd. Its all about the dollars.
G'Day GM!! I see you're using some Moza gear. Did you do a review on their stuff? I did a search and didn't see it. Cheers!
The handbrake is so bad, even on fwd where you need it to rotate round the corner, but like u say it seems like assists are on it grips so bad, and handbrake on tarmac is basically unuseable, still fun n worth the buy but i really hope they fix this weird stuff.
I wish they implement a multiplayer mode like it was in CMR04 and CMR05 when you raced in real time against your opponent ghost. It keep the pressure on , you couldn't interfere with your friend run , and had the impression to race against someone and the clock
Yah also RBR had this as a mod was so fun and put pressure on 🤣.
Sadly rally games are in the dumps right now.
I bought the new Heusinkveld handbrake for this game and I don’t even need it now lol. The review is spot on, it’s a lot of fun but it falls short on so many things like the stages. It feels like there’s hardly any camber compared to Dirt Rally.
Try WRCG if you have a fanatec wheel.
spot on with camber
I was suspicious when every review was being positive and the only negative thing they would mention is the stutter problem which is a very safe criticism. Btw I bet they will probably add Rallycross as a DLC later on.
Giday Mr GM. Hope you are well? Its been a little while. I had two life events that took me away from sim racing sadly. Firstly my gaming PC died and I couldn't afford to replace it :{ and then on Friday the 13th August 2021, I had myself a little bit of a small brain haemorrhage that landed me in hospital for 3 months. And now 2 years down the track (So to speak). I find myself wondering how the sim racing world is going? Low and behold. I find my favourite tea drinking sim expert still hard at it on youtube. So there you go. Back to having some tea and watching your lives. Cheers and see you soon.
Another good thing is tire flats and general damage. They don't disintegrate to the rim immediately and are sort of driveable for a while, plus the codedriver tells you how many km left.
Also the damage to the car DEFINITELY impacts you and has brought me to moments where I'm barely limping along, just trying to not get a Dnf