Classical Composer Reacts to Trilogy Suite, Op. 5 (Yngwie Malmsteen) | The Daily Doug (Episode 230)
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In this episode of #TheDailyDoug, I'm reacting to Yngwie Malmsteen's Trilogy Suite, Op. 5. I'm listening to the studio recording from Trilogy, released in 1985. As in songs of his that I've reacted to previously, I'm astounded by his technical ability. And, I very much admire the baroque-like counterpoint in some sections. But, I sometimes find his rhythm in very fast passages to be uneven. That said, it's a great instrumental. Enjoy!
Reference Video: • Yngwie Malmsteen - Tri...
(note...the audio is from the reference video, but I replaced the image in the video with an image of the original album cover.)
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You can tell in this song that Yngwie being so classically oriented basically just threw on the drums to the track as an afterthought, just because contemporary music should have drums. I would have loved for him to have dared to entirely skip the standard drums on this track, and instead take some time to develop some real classical percussion. That would have been awesome!
Says you who isn't a natural born Virtuoso prodigal musical genius.
@@richierich8334 You don't have to be a natural born Virtuoso prodigal musical genius to have an opinion. What do you think about the drums? Are they interesting in this track or more just to give the song a beat?
@@richierich8334 You don't have to be a natural born Virtuoso prodigal musical genius (Malmsteen isn't a natural Virtuoso either. He would practice literally ALL day whatever else he would be doing he'd have the guitar in his hands) to study and know classical musical theory and application. What planet do you come from, Mr. Snarky Pants?
@@ManWithoutThePants the drums are shit, out of pace and sync basically the entire song. Plus, they sound shit
He did that on the live performance with the orchestra back in 2001
Yngwie is a fundamental piece in the evolution of the electric guitar. People can hate him or love him, but none can argue that.
He belongs to the branch of Ritchie Blackmore and Uli Jon Roth. Yeah, his sound was very distinctive at the time, but he is as fundamental as the mentioned above.
His first albums are brilliant, i dont know what the hell he was doing later though.
@@raiffesilva4908 yeah, I think the same. I supose he lost the inspiration. But he has a number of good albums.
Frankly, I think most metalheads are directing more exasperation than hate at Yngwie. 😁🤘🤘
I agree. If I have to pick 3 guitarists who most influenced the way the guitar is played I would say Jimi Hendrix, Eddie Van Halen and Yngwie Malmsteen.
The different tone is the keyboard of Jens Johannsen, a virtuoso in his own right.
I think he said same during previous Yngwie reaction...?
Jens is great
Doug should check out some Stratovarius.
@@Kylora2112 yes by god yes even timo tolkki solo and side bands
Yup, Jens is a real genius and both he and Anders, as well as Marcel "Marre" Jacob contributed greatly to R.F. early days' mystique and overall appeal.
One of Malmsteen's best instrumental but the live version is better. I'm not as big a Malmsteen fan as I used to be but it cracks me up how the haters will dump on him for being "soulless". The soul is there. You just don't want to hear it. Speed definitely doesn't equal soul but it also doesn't mean it's devoid of it, either.
The solo was actually guitar and Keyboard with a smoother yet guitar like sound by Johansson
They just can't hear it. For untrained in solfeggio people, who can't recognize melodies and harmony in fast tempo, easier to say "it has no soul" than admit that they have a bad ear-training.
@@LETSTALKENTERTAINMENT yeah, somehow it's difficult for people to just realize "that's not my cup of tea" - it's not about the artist, it's about *them*
I think it comes down to IQ, how can someone who can't figure out 10% on their bar tab do Calculus, most pop, rock and blues music people listen to is really basic shit with 3 chords at most....
Funny thing is, if you listen closely to Yngwie's soloing, he doesn't really play faster than most shredders. It's his picking and precision that set him apart.
Credit to Jens having such a great keyboard sound that it didn’t sound dated 35 years later.
Indeed! Jens is a veritable musical genius, IMHO!
He was insanely skilled
That bass guitar playing....my word! Breathtaking.
Just remember, it's Yngwie playing the bass aswell \m/
@@Devypocalypse he's such a rippin bassist
"It's Trilogy because it's three." ~Yngwie J. Malmsteen
Yngwie did everything except the following:
Jens Johansson - keyboard
Anders Johansson - drums
In fact, Jens was Yngwie's Jon Lord.
Oh man I miss Jon. Got to see him with Purple, amazing show. I'm a guitarist but I have an old Hammond organ because or Jon. I can't play it well but it sounds incredible. And I got it for free. Price was "get rid of it for me". The guy had 6 or 7 Hammonds and a couple of pianos.
Yngwie has so many haters, but nobody can do what he does
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Biff Barely Ha ha , even a kid Can do it. 😂😂 not
Axel Rudi Pell...on the german version! jajaja
Check out Tina S and Chinese girl Yoyo
@@metalmark1214 Hmm. Have you heard Rob Marcello? He's the most meticulous transcriber I've yet come across, AND had insane fluidity and playing economy (like Mancuso and Josh Meader, by all means).
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The very first time I heard Yngwie's first album, it literally took my breath away. I also immediately correlated Yngwie's approach as that of a solo violinist , hence his being greatly inspired by Niccolo Paganini.
Go away and come back and it's amazing, been doing that on ALL his instrumentals for decades lol
40 odd years after this was release and still as relevant and amazing as ever
"But ability isn't always enough. Just ask Yngwie Malmsteen."
-House, MD
Vinnie Moore, "April Sky" It's a mashup of 2 pieces by Bach, Air On a G String" and "Arioso for Brass." Tony MacAlpine, 'Porcelain Doll' based on a theme from Chopin, Sonata #3 Opus #58 3rd movement (largo).
Vinnie Moore is a "must react to" artist. The Maze is just a wonderful album
@@billebs The Maze and Defying Gravity are both awesome pieces of work.
I'll take MacAlpine any day - just a joy.
Tony McAlpine " Premonition" was great because Tony went out of his way to write cadences that were not on other albums of his, or standard to classical .
Yet Premonition sounded classical none the less .
@@johnmcminn9455 I still listen to winter in osaka ,one of the most powerful guitar songs ever
To me, it's the "out of sync" that makes YJM 80's shred such a joy to listen to. He does his bursts and it doesn't come out as boring metronomic triplets or other tuplets. Very often it's 7 notes squeezed into a beat, and very often it's not perfectly clean, making it sound even more impressive because "it's so fast we're not even able to hear all the notes". Put his music in Midi or digitalize in any way (making it "rhythmically perfect") and it loses all interest...
His songs are so unique. 🔥
I love the entire Time Odyssey album. Vinnie’s tone was totally unique at that time. Also Tony MacAlpine’s Edge Of Insanity.
Thumbs up to two of the legends!
Always felt Vinnie had more variety, definitely prefer him to Yngwie🤘🏻
If you want some slower acoustic stuff, I recommend the song Crying - also from Trilogy. Electric guitar is only used for the solo.
If you want some vocals, You Don't Remember, I'll Never Forget is one of the songs he's best known for, and it is also on Trilogy. Mark Boals is one of his best singers.
That second “guitar “ is a keyboard my dude.
Yeah! You're right!
YJM is also using the bridge pickup at times in addition to the neck pickup which he always uses playing in the higher register on the guitar neck.
Ywgwie is the purest of artists, he only does what he is inspired to do. Looking forward to seeing him again next month live on his new album tour, Parabellum. One of the all time greats. 🎸
You're not wrong about it not matching the beat in metronome precision. One of Yngwie's great abilities within otherwise complex phrases is to give himself freedom to move. He CAN play perfectly timed notes but very often chooses NOT to deliberately. Starting a little behind the beat, blistering forward to get slightly ahead of the beat at the end of a phrase, going back to precise time for another phrase and then repeating or reversing by jumping in slightly ahead of the beat of another phrase and slowing down to arrive slightly behind the beat at the end of that 3rd phrase. He typically does this in a very specific pattern. Start behind and rip forward to get slightly ahead on an ascending run, start ahead and slowly lag back on a descending run, linking this together with a timed phrase in the middle. This gives a sort of pushing pulling tension and resolution to a sequence of run which adds an astonishing amount of feel. Playing these runs in metronome time with precision with the beat as you would expect actually sounds terrible. Lol. You kind of need to hear it both ways to really see it best. But it's very deliberately done in many of his pieces and gives them amazing feeling that many high speed players just don't have. It's actually pretty brilliant and incredibly expressive.
I could wrong but i think it's called Trilogy simply because it was his 3rd album at the time. Also at times during the various guitar solo's there is Jens Johansson "shredding" on the keyboards....(this was a popular thing that Yngwie and Jens did on the early albums)
LOVE this album !!! One of his finest ones. Like him or not, his musical approach is just unique and his playing awesome.
The Beauty of classical and heavy metal combined. Thanks Doug for showing us this song.
When I was a teenager hearing this for the first time and while learning guitar I really thought this is how Yngwie might kill a dragon with his guitar ... like on the cover. The three scale runs in the beginning are just such a ridiculous statement of virtuosity on the electric guitar almost unheard of at that time. It still leaves me in awe how he just screams out his harmonic minor scales and makes them sound so powerful and cool on the electric guitar. It just makes me smile hard.
I listened to this masterpiece a long time ago, in let's say, 1988, I bought the Cassette (yes !). It's still so hypnotic and timeless, a really great piece of art. Thank you Mr Malmsteen, and thank you Doug, of course.
Almost nobody talks about the huge complexity of the bass and work in this composition
Talking about virtuoso, why not Ozzy's " diary of a madman"? It's time for Randy.
I thought of this, especially around 5:00…sounds just like Ozzy (due to the synths). Also, I think the drums on this song are unnecessary.
@@joecironedrumming yep, thats why i recalled that song, XDDD!!!
When you commented about the different sounds in the passages in the first part, it is actually keyboards and guitar alternating.
Music expert can't tell what is guitar and keyboard and does not realize that it is 1) drums that lags and fucks up the tempo (due to editing?) 2) its not always sextuplets but odd gropings like 7 and 11
Another virtuoso Tony McAlpine. Check out his album "Maximum Security". He plays guitar and piano pieces on this album. I think one of the piano pieces is Chopin. Enjoy...
This!
Edge of Insanity is also great. MacAlpine - Billy Sheehan - Steve Smith. Just an incredible lineup.
And yes, MacAlpine’s first two albums each include a Chopin piece.
@@dreadpirate88 yes to both comments
The sick thing about Tony is that he's better at Piano than guitar, and his guitar skills are otherworldly!
I think that the japanese philarmonic performance of this really brings out some of the classical parts!
Pretty much the only Yngwie Malmsteen stuff I truly love is this specific song and his entire debut album, Rising Force.
Off the top of my head I'd agree! 😎👍 (it's been a while since I've listened through the albums)
I think Asylum trilogy are pretty awesome as well
Hi from Argentina ... the same album ... song "Crying" ... beautiful acoustic section ...
Master Jens on keys.
Duel keyboard vs guitar. Different colors indeed. ;-)
Doug, someone else may have already pointed this out, but the difference in guitar tones you’re hearing in the solo section is actually keyboard. It’s keyboard and guitar trading licks.
thanks...that makes more sense
@@Doug.Helvering And keys by Jens Johansson probably?
@@grodanblogg yes, Jens Johansson.
And it is all multitracked to the gazillionenth degree.
Doug, since you are fascinated by virtuoso guitar playing I'm sure you would like 'Tumeni Notes' by Steve Morse. He definitely has his very own style and added something new to the genre.
The whole album of High Tension Wires is fantastic! My favorite off of that album is Ghost Wind.
The slightly different take is the keyboards of Jens Johansson starting 2:57, 3:16. Similar.
I was going to say the same thing - he's trading solos with the keyboard.
Just tuned in and what a pleasant surprise...Thank you!!!
I think that if Yngwie hears your critiques, he's going to lose his stuff...Major Ego!.. LOL!!!
I've always loved Malmsteen's playing and his attitude to stick with what he wants to do. I'm glad you mentioned the drums...I've always found them flat with no groove or emotion 🤷♂️ I wish the backing was less static...
Still...what a player!!!!
To me, he sounds totally in time on the fast parts, or maybe you meant the drums. All these years later, I still can't get over the fact that a guy in his early to mid 20s could play like this, on top of knowing all the theory.
I gotta say.. this reaction is even better when one has the sheet music of this in front of them while watching you react, because not only can I follow along note for note as well as what I am playing, but seeing your reaction on this while following and playing along is so much fun and entertaining!
I ran into your video by coincidence, and man, I love your channel!
Being a fan of neoclassical metal including Yngwie, Symphony X, and Jason Becker,
I am so delighted that I could hear you talk into the building blocks and theories of the pieces that I love by my heart.
Plus, Trilogy Suite is a beast of a YJM song haha
Rhapsody of Fire - Queen of The Dark Horizons!!!!!
Doug needs to react to some of the live Alcatrazz videos with Yngwie. Young yngwie live was a monolith that leaves ur draw dropped
Diary of a Madman would be a good song for reaction.
Love Yngwie's first few albums! Plus his Steeler and Alcatrazz days.
Thank you for pointing out that bass; I never paid attention to how fantastic it was!
This was very impressive to see live back in the 80's. I was lucky to be of the right age to see them in San Antonio year after year. Just as good live as the album, and often times he would put the guitar behind his head while playing (quite the sight). Fun Fact: Yngwie has (had- not sure if Hard Rock is still open?) a booth dedicated to him in the Stockholm Hard Rock Cafe.
RACER X - "Viking Kong" is a tribute to Yngwie Malmsteen.
Thanks for this video, Doug! When I brought Trilogy Suite in for my Music Appreciation class to hear during my Freshman year of college, the Professor said EXACTLY what you said - she thought the drums took away from the virtuosity in the guitar and keyboard synthesizer...
🌎✌🌿🎶
I've been waiting for you to get around to some more Yngwie, bro! Awesome!
Awesome! Try Crying from the same album for more "emotion".
November 2021 Yngwie in concert. First time I have seen him since 1988. Can’t wait to see the Maestro.
If I’m not mistaken Yngwie played bass on the album
It is. The bassist was fired. The lyrics on "liar" is about him ;)
@@malawigw Marcel?
Yes, you can also tell because the bass is up in the mix
All his albums and frequently drums as well, he only uses bassists live. Which I think is a shame. He should write the bass but an actual bassist should interpret it. You can definetly tell it's a guitarist playing bass. Still a billion times better than what I can do
Malmsteen is a fun guilty pleasure for like 10 or 15 minutes maybe, but i couldn't imagine sitting through an entire concert of his stuff. I definately want one of those Fender Malmsteen scalloped strats though :)
I loved his stuff when I first heard it and bought a few albums. I then went to see him live. It’s the only gig I’ve ever walked out of early. He was so self-indulgent. I love Prog and virtuoso musicianship (where self- indulgence is definitely a thing), but he went next level. Oh dear!
I’ve played a scalloped guitar. Not the Malmsteen, but a DIY job that a friend did on one of his cheap guitars. It’s a really interesting difference in feel.
My ex boyfriend (he was 14 when I started dating him) loved Malmsteen and could play all his stuff perfect. He had a Strat and had the neck scalloped professionally.
He has now since met him and even gigged with him. Still loves him
I think once a Malmsteen fan forever one.
I love his tone it is the best I have ever heard. His tone is why I love him and not Vai.
Thanks for Yngwie evaluations
Man, you're ability to hear the correct key and changes is amazing. I'm jealous!
I not only love the guitar solos but also the great keyboard synth solos in the middle + keyboard work from Jens Johansson! My personal keyboard idol. What a line up from Yngwie those years! Amazing content on your channel too! I love it!
As soon as you start analysing rock music, it's game over.
Yngwie is God.❤️
He also play the bass and in whole album. with 23 years old. Insane.
You're right about the guitar and drums not always matching up. Yngwie uses a lot of Rubato when he solos which is quite hard to replicate. He slows down and speeds up, playing with the timing a lot. The trick to making it sound good is then falling on your feet again and playing something that locks in with the drums to fool the listener into thinking you were playing in time all along!
A reaction to Yngwie’s Evil Eye would be rad - Either studio or live with Alcatrazz.
It’s a bit less popular than the songs you’ve covered so far, but I really enjoy the composition of it and slower (for Yngwie) tempo.
The ending is spectacular on that one. Rachmaninov vibes 🤘
It really is his best piece I always thought
I agree, it’s a more interesting piece
100% agree, the live version is great
This is a guitar MASTERPIECE!
This album is a masterpiece
Great, lovely to hear X
been waiting for this one
This guy and Joe Satriani, Steve Vie, Richard Blackmore were all i listened to in High School in the 80'S
I remember thinking the same thing about the drum track being off when I first heard this piece too, but I wasn't sure if I was crazy. Thanks for confirming my sanity and for the great reaction as always, Doug!
Right as the drums come in you can tell the subdivisions aren't that great.
Reactions to "Baroque", "Midnight", "War" and "Tears in the Rain" all by Joe Satriani would be awesome. Think you will enjoy
LOOOVE Baroque... Also, "Thinking About You"... I miss albums having these little 2 minute pieces
An incredible masterpiece 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
That's Jens Johansson on keyboards, truly at Yngwie's level, he's currently playing in Stratovarius, you should check them out soon!!
That's a call and response of the keyboard and then guitar and then keyboards, etc..
Yngwie is a god.
I've known the name for many years but never really listened. I've missed out on some fantastic playing from this gentleman that I need to catch up on. Thanks for bringing this.😋🔥reminds me a bit of Al Dimeola.
Essential Yngwie:
Yngwie Malmsteen - Rising Force
Alcatrazz - No Parole From Rock'n'Roll
Yngwie Malmsteen - Marching Out
Yngwie Malmsteen - Trilogy
I always liked that about Trilogy Suite. The guitar and drums almost clash but it works.
Thank you Doug, i admire your work. It is very enjoyable to witness your music explorations. I have to tell you that the sound quality is not as high as this beautiful music deserves. If you take care of that these videos will be fantastic. Love from Greece !
Excellent my second favorite of his music.
The bass player is (was) Marcel Jacob. I knew him. Also, Yngve is from Hässelby, in Stockholm where I live and is born. ❤
For me the bass lines are the secret best part. Epic walking lines hidden all over the place
I agree about the drums. It's like that on all his early albums, where the drums sound more like a jack hammer than a musical instrument.
Nice ! Doug you should listen to Steve vai “fire garden suite” (album version). This is a great piece of music. Complex and emotional.
Great video; fun & instructional.
Yngwie influenced me so much by his notes , style of play , and techniques
I haven’t listened to this song in ages!
It's called "Trylogy Suite" because the album's name is "Trilogy". And that's because it was Yngwie's third studio album.
Neo Classical Heavy Metal... Counterpoint/Baroque... Its guitar & keyboard trading off with a Fusion influence... Beautiful piece... Yngwie' first 6 albums are masterpieces (especially first 4) When Yngwies on theirs no-one better... Genius... drums are great...
Well drums are really monotonous. Most monotonous in heavy/power metal I'd say, as if it's done on a computer by some guitarist. =)
You had me at Yngwie, Guitar Maestro Extraordinaire. New sub. Love the pianos on the wall behind you.
Genius, totally original, one of the guitar greats, full of emotion, all that. I have a hunch though a great classical composer would think his compositions were technically remedial.
Love most of Yngwies early material,up unto the last 2 albums he did with Vocalist Mike Vescara,which were Yngwie's best with a Vocalist.But Doug,Listen to Vinnie Moore's Time Odyssey album or Paul Gilbert doing Bach's partita in D minor or "viking kong" ,The studio versions are always the best in terms of sound and a more relaxed atmosphere for artists to express themselves better(in my opinion),as far as the neoclassical influence Doug,these suggestions are worthwhile.
Yngwie is NEVER too loud in the mix. Here endeth the lesson.
Funny. When this song first came out back in the 80's, I thought the drums were distractive as well. 😂
I love this dude.
I love yngwie too
Good choice, one of my most favorite Yngwie Malmsteen pieces!
The absolute genius of yngwie is that the music is following his guitar. Trilogy album is probably one of his best. Great video..
Good Album. As I remember.
Never forget !
That’s the two brother on drums and keyboards-if that’s acutually a drum machine there might have been some midi delay… either way one of my fav Malsteen albums I saw him play this tour in Oakland dec 1986 when I was 19😎
Doug, Ingwie likes to play phrases in groups of 10, 11, 12 and 13, and mixes them a lot. I imagine this approach helps him sound less robotic gives him more freedom.
"He rushes ..."
THANK YOU!
That later section was so 80s lol love it
Doug assured Yngwie Malmsteen that you don't remember and I'll never forget.
Well, I am a Viking and that will give you anguish and fear.
Unlike Icarus' Dream, Doug flew Far Beyond the Sun and reached the Black Star.
@@metalmark1214 Finally- BLACK STAR❣
"it's a different sound" - lol, that was a keyboard Doug
The change in color of the guitarsolo is him changing from the neck pickup (round) to bridge pickup (bright)