Leon Louw on Land Expropriation
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- On Friday, the Joint Constitutional Review Committee will go ahead with public hearings into a possible review of section 25 of the Constitution, which deals to property rights and ownership. This as the debate on expropriation of land without compensation continues. Parliament has received around 700-thousand written submissions from the public. The Free Market Foundation's Rule of Law Project has made their submission on the resolution for expropriation of land without compensation, which they feel is a betrayal of the struggle and rather a return of an apartheid system, which will leave poor black citizens as the victims once more. They say that the real property rights come with secure title deeds.
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Bongani you need to listen to this interview again and again and again.again . write it down what leon is saying..because you are not listening
Only thinking of your own opinion or next question
Leon is lying.
Bongani desperately going through his notes to find an argument
Wake up Bongani!!!!
Very Very disappointed in Bongani. One can clearly see he is captured.
BIG UP to Bongani. "Be afraid, be very afraid"
ANC mouthpiece.
It's not about land, it's about control. Expropriation without Compensation is making ultimate tyranny possible.
Bongani has his own mindset and he does not want to hear anything else.Just leave him to his own devices.
Listen to the grey old man, he is wise, experienced and honest.
Jan's Frame. The old man is so stupid just like you are
that old man has probably organised more title deeds for black poverty stricken people than what the government has, the least you can do is listen.
Jan's Frame no he can't be honest. No such thing as in honest white man. Stop it..
What amazing strength. Leon you did not buckle once under the interviewer's personal attacks. I wish I can master this skill as well as you did. Very attractive trait.
The Africans in South Africa can tolerate so much. If this was west Africa we would chase you European settlers to the sea
Yh but like all you tranny VANilla idiots. You dont answer the question properly. You do the same in Europe. Cowardly people.
I am also against land owned by government. Land should be distributed amongst people. If you give politician to much power it's becomes a big problem
Siyabonga u are lost my brother ,
Land is the huge investment which could be able to save the poor from poverty... which is us black...
Wrong, land may give blacks dignity, but it will not do anything to alleviate poverty.
Land needs investment in order to be productive. Nothing will ever change that and it is right there where you miss the point. Where will such investment come from? It is time to be honest about this issue.
The ANC got controle over SA... and yet the financial-system is corrupt.
the Zar-USD is still declining since the 95.
Now the land need to be farmed by black farmers, instead of ppl that where there for generations that know the land?
Bongani you really must allow the interview and it's various points of view to develop, you're intrusive and refuse to allow your guest to develop his point. You come across strongly as someone who'se opinionated, and perhaps just expressing an opinion or view put over to you by your bosses. You're not showing free thinking and independent thought, and that's a concern bongani
What did you expect from a MSM puppet? Just another desk jokey taking instructions from the earpiece. In other words a flunky
Nadia Loewke Well said. I used to be a fan of his, now I realize he is a terribad captured journalist.
true.fake news
Nadia Loewke, your critique is quite informative and eye opening. What I mostly love about it is that you did it without attacking him. now this is what I call constructive critism
When you are riding in a stolen car, you don't have to surprise when the owner find it and get it back.
Bongani is being touched on his studio. Let the man speak, you brought him on the show. Stop interrupting, quite unprofessional.
But he is talking crap... wasting viewers time. He has nothing constructive to put on the table.
Mohlomi Tauhadi I'm sorry you can't understand words. Guess you should've stayed in school :(
Dr. LoLCat
Fake news tactic.
Eddy Koning, you must wake up and stop dreaming!
Bongani's too busy pushing his own "You're busy fearmongering and spreading paranoia" agenda to listen to what the man is actually saying.
It's rather simple - by passing this change to the constitution, property rights will be eroded - and if done correctly, would empower anyone in the employ of the state to seize property without compensation. The potential for abuse & corruption is mind-boggling....
And make no mistake, the unscrupulous cronies won't go all-out trying to expropriate the property of well-to-do folks who have the resources to fight back from a legal standpoint. They'll start with the low-hanging fruit - the poor living in rural areas and townships.
Bongani - stop yapping, and listen to the guest who was invited to speak on this show. You are there to facilitate and not to feel touched
this presenter is so obsessed with what he is saying and he is not even listening to the old man, who is presenting very important concerns.
It’s difficult to discuss “expropriation without compensation” when Bongani struggles to comprehend the basic meaning of words.
governement received 700,000 submissions guiess what none was read.
Frustrating interview.
Bongani mentions Alan Payton. Its ironic that his widow FLED from the New South Africa.
What is NOT being listened to is that ether you have property rights or you do not. Without property rights every person, from this point onwards, can be victimised at any point in time.
This sounds like CNN. Bongani can go an work for CNN he will do well there.
sabc is #fakenews just like cnn
@@davesmith6949lol thats what I was thinking
So its a pro-ANC journalist
But that is the exact reason why the whole Country is invited to open and transparent public engagements, in and outside Parliament, so that we can all come together and determine the best way to go about addressing the land issues!!!! Duuuhh. Expropriation MUST happen, we must just all participate constructively and make inputs on HOW to go about it.
Bongani doesn't understand what Leon is saying at all.
What a clown the host......Change the word from white SA to Black SA and see how clear it gets Sherlock...!!! Any Clarity...!!!
Bongani , your wrong mate , if it was disposed land, and the people can prove the land , we all know this is not true, if the clause was limited to this and not all land then we can talk,
Bongani is supposed to interview the guy but ends up accusing him of being a fear monger. They are looking for people like Bongani on CNN.
I need to stop travelling for vacations to Europe and rather move there. We have no power and terrible crime here. Its a horrible country now.
This presenter is not even listening, busy flipping through pages to ask the next question he has very little clue about
Bonganis faith in the ANC is heartwarming .... lets hope he is suitably rewarded
Why did Bongani become so aggressive towards his interviewee? Please show respect!
Actually 1:20 is a bit prophetic. Property prices are now falling in inflation adjusted terms in SA as of early August. If you know something about property prices you know that this is already a disaster.
Ag please .. bongani is blind
Bongani and the people talking into his ear are seriously looking stupid when they claim their guest is extreme when the discussion is actually an extreme matter, making Bongani and Co look like the worst of the sheeple who actually all believe that they are actually going to get given a farm by the ANC or the EFF.....
South Africa is finished. If ppl can't see why EWC isn't a problem for the economy, then there is no hope
Let them do this at the moment we don't even have power in this country. This will stop all outside investments
Kani glo Bongani is so dom nie.
Government is not clear on what they intend on doing, why change and entire property clause in the constitution if you just want the land?
That's the message from Zulu monarch King Goodwill Zwelithini who is headed for what could be a bruising battle with the ANC over the sensitive issue of rural land custodianship.
Willem Van Aswegen Land will not be taken from black people like the zulu king but from white settlers
There you go - investors beware - these people change their mind every second. Does not matter is there are contracts and deeds that proofs otherwise. After the mess up the farm land, they will look for another scapegoat - private properties in cities, Factories and businesses. The farms is just the beginning. Hope you run the same road as your northern friend Zimbabwe when you cannot buy a bread with R1 million dollar not.
Mr.T
You are also a settler, show me where were you in 1652
@@willemvanaswegen1937 your are very foolish.
If any constitution enshrines expropriation without compensation, it is in effect declaring all citizens have no rights. It has stopped being a law, and is simply a declaration of power by the currently powerful. We know where this leads--starvation, war, and death. Has nothing been learned from the Soviet Union or Maoist China, or Pol Pot in Cambodia?
This is not about justice. It is about revenge.
Free market in Africa is wrong. Following the plunder of African minerals during colonial rule they introduce free market to minimize the participation of the former underprivileged people. In order to grow the continent's economy , African countries must start trading with one another on a big and small scale.
Bongani has wax in his ears.
lol
Between his ears.
It might be more than wax......
The no freedom here
Bongani you are clueless of the future. I wish you could have some knowledge about this. South African government sign for international property right and is breaching that agreement and will face the Consequence... You purely clueless
The interviewer seems a bit obtuse.
Bongani you are being subjective. If you interview someone let them talk and if you wanna differ put facts on the table.
Thank you for an extremely holistic, insightful, and clear presentation Leon. I think the people of South Africa should be sensitized to political gas-lighting.
The Africans in South Africa are tolerant. If this is west Africa the EU would have to send ships to collect you people
All I know is when logic is replaced by affinity to race I doubt any solution is possible.
bongani I had respect for you but im affraid you do not know hot to listen
1. Does this amendment require a 2/3 majority?
2. When did the ANC last have anything close to that?
3. If they have no chance of amending the constitution on this matter why raise it?
THIS IS A PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN WITH OTHER MOTIVES. SOUTH AFRICANS SHOULD NOT FALL FOR THIS TRAP! WE NEED TO STAY UNITED!
Mr Bongani listen
Bongani you got him my brother
"Fear mongering"? I would say it's justified fear
In Australia,people learned harsh and expensive lessons in the land share movement.
What we learned is that people need to OWN their small block(3 acre) within communally owned farms.
The bank won't loan without title deeds.Neighbours who don't like you can prevent you from progressing or selling.
Title deeds protect right to improve yourself. More expensive to set up but essential in longer term
@ rick you can't tell it to these socialist/communist retards, they think they know everything. Let them find out the hard way that their anc/sacp masters are taking them for a ride and die of famine on property they will never own as it will be state owned. They don't even realize this is what happened in all communist/socialist countries for example the soviet-union, china, venezuela et alia. People were saying people were "fear mongering" in zimbabwe too, look at what happened there. lol. UN food program coming to a city near them in south africa soon. lol.
This guy might have point. Land grab maybe is not the solution better yet without compensation🤔. The lesser government, more power to the people.. and by the way this is not about apartheid,no this is about business and making money.. I smell corruption👎
The journalist keeps using the "constitution" in defense for the fairness of the proposed land reform act!
Is he talking about the VERY SAME CONSTITUTION that they are wanting to CHANGE in order to give OWNERSHIP to the GOVERNMENT and NOT directly to the PEOPLE.
I think the presenter/journalist's argument is weak.
I have no problem if government went through the proper avenues to reinstate land to the people who can prove ancestral ownership, but to institute a law that gives the government and municipalities the right to CONFISCATE land is an utter disservice to all people of the country and leaves the people in "servitude" to the government. This is a coercive method to retain power and control over the people, but the people unfortunately are too short sighted to see this.
The presenter CLEARLY strawmans the guest by twisting his words and painting a biased narrative that the media wants to portray, and the media will not be there to uphold the rights of the people once those rights are lost to a dictatorship. It is an irresponsible and shameful thing this news station is doing.
As a south african I know what this government stands for. Their Marxist/communist agenda is not only going to effect the whites.
Unfortunately the people are so naive and don't understand the history of communism or its failures in the past. Keep in mind the laws and politics utilized here by the ANC are western laws and politics, and the majority of the people in south africa still follow traditional cultural ideologies, and do not understand the implications of these laws.
The government like all governments worldwide are making promises they do not intend on fulfilling or cannot fulfill.
The current plan is not financially or logistically viable, and unfortunately the more acceptable alternative is a case by case investigation into the history and ownership of the land in question, which takes time, but it is more fair to EVERY citizen, as well as those who indeed had land taken, all the while maintaining a fair constitution.
this is an argument not an interview. wont bother finishing watching
The director is an expert
Politics and evil are one in the same.. Satan hides behind a different name.
I image Dr Maserumule, dealing with land invasion of his farm north of Pta, will agree with LL.
Um, why is it that nobody is pointing out that the colonists that did bad things are long since dead. Please live in the present when arguing for the future. Now that said can somebody please tell me how abolishing land rights helps anybody?
Void Sire Colonialists only die in the face of those who received the dividends from their deeds. To their victims they are very alive and the consequences are very raw.
I am alive and your dead parents took my land and I want it back.
Your land you say. Your land. As in land that you owned? Yeah, no I call bullshit. But hey while we are speaking about punishing people for the deeds their long dead ancestors, I wonder how many people within your ancestral line have committed crimes that apparently you should be held accountable for. Is there a limit how far back we are allowed to search? Or can we please talk about the present and do something constructive?
Void Sire
The question is;
Is the current generation still benefiting from the past crimes of their ancestors?
@@IAMCorung
You mean the Current most Corrupt & Racist government in the World as no 1 in Murder & Rape with AA, BEE, BBE, State Capture by Gupta, all Minerals sold to China, the 119 laws against whites to exclude them from jobs, government jobs, business, any & all employee benefits, no grants to whites or financial relief for white orphans, Hoaxes on land claims, where 30% of White owned land, which was legally purchased, with agreements between the Khoi, Xhosa & Dingaan went into government hands, The last 11%( Business Tech Statistics) of land owned by whites allowed to be stolen from them, by Changing the constitution on property rights also the mass murder & torture of white farmers now standing at 4000+ farmers, the torture of children drowned in boiling water, babies raped, women, men & children raped, persons hacked to death, using drills to drill into their limbs, burning them alive also burning them with hot Irons, killing children with spades etc. etc. This was never done to any black person during Apartheid, Which is a not just gross human rights violation, but a genocide on Whites. Also Stealing white's property & not providing them with Homelands or alternatives, like the Apartheid government did, for the blacks, so we just throw them on the street & it is ok for you?! yet more people are unemployed now then the entire history of South Africa. Just the 1st 5 yrs of ANC rule made apartheid look like a bedtime story, are you aware whites don't own the wealth of the country, Blacks do, there are only 25000 farmers left from 140000 to feed the nation & these farmers have been offered safe haven in Russia & Australia, but you are so blind by misinformation & hate you will pay more for allowing these Gross Human rights violations against whites in the future, it is the order of worlds
Can clearly see Bongani is on a certain side..
Same with Mr be very scared
we are not the products of Leon Louw, so let him go address his people not us....he must be clear because is not like he understand where black people come from
from Mars?, dam,thought we were all humans.
Sorry, Leon. You just got schooled. Great interview. ''Be afraid, be very afraid''. Honeymoon is OVER!!
Dispossessed because of your own actions.
Bongani like so many is looking at race and not to the issue! Go do your homework Bongani! Do not try to be clever!
Pieter Janse van Rensburg and you are looking at race without even realizing it. That makes you a dumb racist.
state sponsored news... do we expect anything different? Do we actually expect him to speak out against the government?
Government must give back all monies they stole
He is saying appropriotiation of property.
This will be a monumental failure. Goodluck getting those IMF loans Mr Rapahosa, your gonna need it.0
The law of south Africa need to change.just like how Canadian and American change their laws
His a ANC presentator lol. This man made him look stupid. In South Africa its so corrupt people do want they like. They will take your car and house.
but the 'constitution' keeps changing
I'd like to know what bongani's idea of the bill is, he asks for the guests opinion then baggers him for fear mongering.... What did I just watch?? An interview??
Is the argument asset expropriation or rather land expropriation specifically??
its unnerving that our journalists, our government only recognise black as the race dispossessed when in truth , black tribes stole land from the khoisan before europeans arrived in south africa.. the descendants of the khoisan, known today as the coloured race, are the native people of south africa, not the black tribes. our government has oppressed the coloured race since apartheid ended.
The law will always "in time" be implemented to its letter. Just because a president says a law will be implemented in a certain way does not mean the law will not be implemented to its letter by officials in the future.
When they passed the law to ban drinking in public they assured people it would not affect their ability to have a beer in a park with their lunch but now a police man will fine you if he sees such a thing. Intention means nothing in law, the letter of the law means everything.
That guy is a fear monger as the host says. He is just talking nonsense and has no solution to offer on what should be done regarding land reform in South Africa.
Each year the law should be change in africa.
Africa need to do just the same thing on keep on doing it
Anyone who bought property which is confiscated will of course sue the conveyancing lawyers and the banks who loaned them the money. In essence they bought 'stolen land' apparently. Well it was the duty of the lawyers and the deeds office who transferred the property at the time to point this out. The fact that they did not means they did not do their due diligence and therefore were incompetent. This should bankrupt large sections of the banking and Real Estate fraternity and should throw the system into chaos.
True and don't forget that the State also was a recipient of stolen goods in the way of transfer duties etc hence the entire cabinet should be locked up for dealing in stolen property.
period
Come to be interviewed on Bongani's show, to be lectured to by someone who is a captured stooge of ANC's Wakanda idealism...
I dont know whats true anymore. Really how do I begin to find the evidence. Age of Illusion. :-(
Bongani! Try walking in truth, it's not difficult.
When, EVER, has government stealing land from its rightful owners, productive farm land , and give it to people too dumb to manage it with NO RIGHT to the land. This deserves 🇺🇸 Intervention.
it happened during colonialism and Apartheid
Why don’t they just leave they know they’re parasitic intruders why do they keep insisting on being a curse
B1✊
Great debate, amazing journalism
Well done Bongani!
Bongani drank the kool aid....
Please! due
What a difference a couple months makes.
its illegal what you want to do
Bongani you were very sober and clear! ...
Well he thought he was
This Bongani is brainwashed.
Western and Northern Cape for sovereignity. Secession. Let us show these deluded people how we can make a first world country in Africa. 70% of jobs over the past year was created in the Western Cape.
Also in Jozi and Pretoria since DA took over.
Is that even possible
The goal was never to make a first-world country. White people made the first-world country for themselves during Apartheid, while 80% of the population was used as cheap labor living in slums.
@@theultimatesharpshooter6734 How is it looking now? since the DA took over?
@@RSVPrr I changed my politcal stances since this comment
what an Independence and Impartial interview ...
Poor old guy🤣🤣
What land were the majority dispossessed of? Far as I know land always belonged to tribal kings and chiefs. If individual people owned land where is the paperwork? Surely records of those transactions must be held somewhere? Does it mean that if you are black and sit in the middle of the road that road now belongs to you? As a white man can I go work for a black farmer and after 5 months he has to give me half his farm? Aag komaan! I cannot believe that we South Africans can be so ignorant to think that attitudes like this land and property farce upheld by politicians is going to fix our problems. The education disaster at school level is a crime against our people and present government should be fired for not fixing it in 24 years!! Fix education and everything else will follow. The country will grow rapidly. Last but not least fathers in this country need to stand up and be counted!!
100 percent agree. Property rights needs to be protected. The economy rests on this fact.
LAND BELONGS TO PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT IT
People did have title deeds when the National Party introduced the Native lands act of 1913 and the Land act of 1936 which expropriated land without compensation. Do some research, it's literally on google. People did have title deeds but the land was taken by the White government by force.
@@raymonddelport9930 But they did not buy it.
@@DavidHarsant1 No it doesn''t
Sifuna umhlaba wethu qha😮