Conversations With History: Tariq Ali Pakistan
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- Host Harry Kreisler welcomes writer and journalist Tariq Ali for a discussion of Pakistan and its relations with the United States. He places the present crisis in its historical context exploring the origins of the Pakistani state, the failure to forge a national identity, the inability and unwillingness of Pakistani leaders to address the country's poverty and inequality, and the role of the military in the country's spiral toward violence and disunity. Tariq Ali highlights the significance of the U.S. relationship throughout Pakistan's history and analyzes current US policy and its implications for stability in the region. [11/2008] [Show ID: 15414]
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This man is brilliant. Great insight into Pakistan's past and how its affecting its present
Layla Khalid
Yes,Tariq is uniquely qualified to talk on this subject .
@@onekhalilmiah5650 how is he uniquely qualified?
@Cannabis King God no, that man is peddling his own psychosis
@@alimahfooz1651 Fair analysis.
I am watching on 31 Aug 2021, as USA is leaving Afghanistan after 20 year war. This guy, Tariq Ali is here predicting and explaining what has now happened. AMAZING!!!!
💯 He is the epitome of intellect among Pks and here I am discovering him in December 2021.
Watching on December 31, 2021.
As I watched it now, it really has happened! Apr 19th 22)
Tariq Ali is a honest intellectual of a rare breed
After many years I heard a true Pakistani speaking the truth
Love his voice
Do u think Pakistan should join Hindustan? And be bigger than USA?
@@PSkeepitcool The European Union model for re-integration is much more beneficial and less destructive. Otherwise, the end of any state in the future would be destructive for everyone in the neighborhood. Consider what has happened in the aftermath of the USSR and Yugoslavia! Incidentally, the end of the British Empire in India was very destructive as well. The end of any state is not usually very pretty.
Imagine if all people in Bangladesh, India, and Pakistan would have access to the type of education that Tariq Ali and others had!
The Carter regime essentially gave birth to Salafi - Jihadi madness. And under AQs aidis, they certainly came back, stealthily and with an extraordinary zeal, to savagely bite the hand that both created and fed them.
Love listening to this guy speak
this conversation help me to understand the present (2016) situation
Watching this in July, 2023. Listening to this guy drives home a real sense of hopelessness vi's a vi's Pakistan's future prospects. Pakistan Discovery's Shahzad had him on his podcast which is equally intriguing.
A great great talk. Quite an intellectual inquiry.
Indian prime minister Lal Bahadur Shastri in the 1960s didn't let his family freely use official cars, so they asked him to purchase one.
He took financing from the panjab national bank and purchased a fiat for his family.
He died a year later in Tashkent where he had gone to sign indo-pak truce document.
His wife paid off the car loan from her family pension.
Such integrity shines all the more in the shadow of the politicians of today who are motivated by power and money rather than a sense of service and vision.
The conduct of the congress party of India today makes me sick, and they can almost beat the pakistani leaders on metrics of indifference, shamelessness, corruption, and poor conduct.
Good job.... In 2018.
Lalit Kumar the problem is simple. Good people don't usually go into politics , bad people who are money and power hungry do
@Aditya Sanjeev.....hahahahaha... No... He is a hatemonger... Bloody idiot...
@Aditya Sanjeev These casteist wolves are the reason why UP and Bihar is backward.
@Aditya Sanjeev I too will vote for Modi in 2019 just like I did in 2014.
Mr Tariq Ali should be at the forefront thinkers during discussions on Pakistan
He is a very powerful speaker. Such eloquency and fact driven statements.
I can listen to him for hours.
Tariq Ali is unquestionably one to the most brilliant Pakistanis of his generation. He. is close to what Noam Chomsky Is the USA. What we need to recall is Indira Gandhi is reported to advised Bhutto at Simla, after the signing of the peace agreement. She as a fellow politician advised ZAB that he had the historic opportunity to firmly cork up the then defeated humiliated Pakistani generals in the bottle for all time to come. And, if he failed to dothat, they would, in time "eat up his Country ".
Judaism changed itself to secular understanding. Jews took part into industrial Revolution. Not a single Muslim country did that. Pakistan is quite far from that. Mr. Bhutto himself was a feudal man. Secularism is not a question of declaration but struggle.When a leader does not have philosophical depth then out come is inevitable. Thank you.
Who is that pakistani leader who had philosophical depth ?
There must have been a few over the last 70 years.
Don't know whether u r indian or pakistani. But a cool breeze it is to see Muslims started thinking intellectually. Hosh better than josh.
Hinduism, Jainism, buddhism are spiritual religions
Whereas
Judaism, Christianity n islam are sort of political religions
That's the basic reason why these three power greedies could never coexisted peacefully for long when opportunity to revolt existed.
At least Christian n Jews became bit atheist n started getting fruits of LIFE rather than dreaming of 72 hurs in jannat.
Unfortunately Muslims don't understand it in their rare of rarest dreams
That's why they are exploited by west
Yesterday's books of any religion won't help u in today's masail of life
Love from India
Rubbish. never heard of malaysia and turkey. india still buys weapons from outside. so much for secularism
@@soheil527 ill say this mentality of comparison with india in every situation especially in military area from 1947 got them at this position. u mentioned turkey, Malaysia both are islamic countries like pak means pak also don't need to think about religion and they could have focus towards other things like what Malaysia and turkey did.
-u said abt weapons 🤦🏻♂️ india got indigenous aircraft carrier
don't need to say other things..
@@grc178 What? Christians, Jews, and Muslims have lived peacefully amny times in history? Where do you learn your facts from? Sure there were times of war but there was also times the Abrahamic faiths coexisted
Brilliant talks
Lot to understand and learn from Mr Tariq Ali.
Tariq Ali is great intellectual in our era.....
Brilliant insightful analysis .
Fantastic English speaker whose lectures I always listen like people listen music 🎵
I love you Tariq ali
Truly brilliant!
great.i can feel his pain of seeing his people in suffering.great guy
Mr Tariq Ali should be at the forefront thinkers during discussions on Pakistan
@@andyhoward1811 He won't because the neo-liberal and right wing gatekeepers hate him, both in the UK where he lives and Pakistan. He criticises everybody.
Gentleman refuses to mince words, what great insights!
Thank you so much for this conversation, it really helped me to understand Pakistan's political history.
It is always treat to listen to Tarik Ali.He is intellectual par excellence having grip on subjects he speaks.
Bravo Tariq !!
Fascinating Q&A session with Mr. Ali around the evolution of Pakistan. However i couldn't help notice how Harry Kriesler carefully avoided really exploring the elephant in the room, the role of the puppet masters both US and its western allies' role in creating and sustaining this, even today. He alluded to this question several times during the discussion (as this is central idea of the book) but never really allowed it to see the light. It was to Mr Ali's credit , that he did touch upon the subject couple of times during the conversation.
Soo interesting!
Brilliant discussion.
Awesome analysis…
MR TARIQ ALI, IT SO SUCH LEASURE TO LISTEN TO YOUR BRLLIANT ANALYSIS. THANK YOU
Trank you mr Ali
Good historical background info
And his grand father was chief minister of punjab b4 Pakistan.
Did panjab exist as administrative or political unit before 1947 ?
Lalit Kumar yes
He is straight forward n on point. Thought I am no from Pakistan but he wants beautiful Pakistan
this man knows lot of things, really would like to know much more abut his books and journnals.......
love from Bharat
@ollieraza So true.
Why are almost all the comments on this video one sentence long? There is a LOT to unpack here. Ali goes over many years of history, and goes into some detail about how different institutions evolved within the Pakistani state. Yet, the typical comment amount to something like, "Islam: A failed religion." Is that the best people can do? Are they able to trhow out little "zingers" and incapable of articulating anything more complex?
indian agitprop. citizens in both india and pakistan are raised up to hate the other state.
Mostly anti-muslim hindutvata indian trolls who go looking for anything Pakistan-related just so they comment anything negative about Islam, even when it has nothing do with it.
@@shayanahmed7132 Exmuslims talk more negative about is1am than hindu ppl.
don't judge based on social media they got both people on equal amount of hatred amongst themselves due to lack of knowledge or trolling purpose.
Incredible insight into covert operations.
How greatly truthful,bankim Kulshrestha Advocatre India
wow
West Punjab, East Bengal and Sindh were separated from rest of Bharat for the first time in history by the unholy partition of India.
bengal was divided earlier in 1905
@@vontsss but people joined it immediately after that !
@J C Don't regurgitate meaningless phrases you picked from the West or Islamists. If there was no Bharat, then how there Maha Bharat 5000 years back? Indians start our daily prayers with Bharata Khande... Jamboo Dweepe...
BS. Punjab, Sindh had a separate identity. It was never part of India. Present day Pakistan always existed as country. Indus valley people are very different from ganga and jamuna people.
It's a good interview and all but what bothers me is that the video says 2008 but it seems like it was recorded in 1995.
It’s written in bhagwat geeta that for destroying a person never fight him just make him feel that he is the best and everyone is useless
Jews where persecuted based on religion. Pakistan Muslims where not persecuted based on religion, they wanted a seperate country as they felt insecure with Hindu's. Hence comparing Pakistan with Israel is not correct.
Sadly in India even though government is providing free education and mid day meal there are a lot of students are going to madrasa.. it's in nature not a need.. it's blood affinity
I don't understand: The video description lists the date of the interivew as 11/2008, but the upload date is October 30, 2008. Confusing. ~:-0
Magic, dark magic...
politics is all about money even not only Pakistan but also in most of the world..
17:00 onwards till 30:00 till end
27:28 his way of speaking
35:45
Do you see what the Interviewer did? 7:19
I didn't say Islam is the sole reason, I said it plays a significant role. Saudi maybe be rich in oil money but that is an intellectually bankrupt nation.
Static KK a mild way of putting it. Arabs in general are thick as shit!
Tariff Ali khan was president Young speakers unioon at the than govt college Lahore
I was also studying in govt college
I saw him debates every week In 1961/62
This interview more emphasis on US -Pak relationship.
Now the Tribal areas are merged in KPK province . and NWFP has been renamed as Khaiber Pakhtoon Khawa (KPK)
This is two rational, moral and ethical intellectuals discussing the actions of gangsters. The gangsters are the leaders and governments of countries: Pakistan, India, USA, UK, France, EU, Russia etc etc.
Imagine intelligent and enlightened individuals discussing the mayhem caused by how the Mafia runs its' bloody businesses and how that could be done with less blood and mayhem.
That is essentially the topic of international relations. The study of gangsters. The top boss is in Washington and they have rivals and capos in various parts of the world and the approach and strategy varies accordingly.
Think Tony Soprano's different approaches to dealing with Casinos, Hotels, Bars, and the Garbage and Gardening business. Different issues and challenges with different players. International relations is similar, just more violent and less complex
We are expecting him at our Finland Station for a long time. We need a new Commissar for War very urgently
I wish this eloquent gentleman was born in India :)
Sakshin Belagavi its good he's born in pakistan because he is really saying things the way it is rather than the typical Pakistani/Indian insults i read on the internet.
@@raheelbelal5848 i guess you're right I really hope we get along well with Pakistan... At least to the terms where violence stops and we can be economical and strategic friends ... We need more people like him in Pakistan
@@dr.sakshinbelgavi if India and Pakistan cooperate instead of fight, we both seek to benefit. We can build up our industries, they can build up theirs, and we can benefit a lot through border to border trade.
Any geopolitical problem or conflict always check Tariq,s problem.
I wonder about the Muslim Congress elite at the time around the time of Indian National Congress? They seem to have been educated in western institutions as Lawyers and aside from academia had lacking of understanding to help their people in countries of origin.
Charlie Wilson War starring Tom Hanks - The Afghan War and how Russians were driven out of Afghanistan!
Pakistan elites never permitted serious land reforms as India has done. India pushed through land reforms ended the power of big landlords so there was always a feeling of ambiguity from all the section of ordinary people
The basic idea on which it had been buil of uniting the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent had gone and been buried. So what was the new state going to be dad was the big question. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto did dream of it build Pakistan as a modern social democratic state, He was dumped on Kissinger's order
Real tragedy is that Tariq Ali fails to see how Islam plays a significant role in bringing where Pakistan is today.
Static KK are u alive today?
I'm this guy is dead already...guys.
2021 man and Pakistan is opposite to Islamic teachings.
It is great that Tariq Ali has mentioned Mahathir of Malaysia on educating the Moslem to have command of a second language which is English. Times has changed. Now Ismail Sabri is promoting the use of the native language and denying the Malay access to advanced knowledge. Mahathir did not object the promotion of the use of the native language.
Guys listen at 2x speed for 10 minutes and then reduce to normal....
16:43
@bapyou its 09/2008
32:23
10:45
10:00
Empires become myopic and they can do anything they want to a country. many times what is done to a country depends on what the country wants to do to itself .
10:02
46:41
The problem with Pakistani and Indians is that they are unable to understand that a book is a book and particularly a research-based book is a document that reflects the point of view of its author in the light of his inferences. Inferences of an author may be wrong or maybe right. An author spends too much time in research so he/she in reference to commoners, in most of the cases has better knowledge and understanding. When the afresh author emerges and keeping in view the point of view of the previous ones, evolves a new theory, the old and older ones are discarded at once, this is unfair.
Research is a continuous process particularly in History, it's a never-ending topic. The tragedy of History is that it is interpreted in the light of a specific era. The authors are projected for different reasons, purposes, and motives. The western authors have poor rather rubbish ideas on certain issues but due to global western domination, they are predominant as compare to the Eastern authors.
Also, keep in mind older times of Historians are a better source but in respect to modern times, they are irrelevant. For me, every serious attempt at research is highly appreciatable.
45:53
We ( myself Victoria Miroshnik and Dipak Basu) have analyzed this issue in our book, India as an organization, published by Palgrave-Macmillan. The thesis of Ayesha Jalal was wrong. Jinnah was recruited by the British in 1934 to create a new state where the British Army could stay to protect the Middle East from the Soviet Union and the sea route between the Suez Canal and Australia. NS Sarila, who was the ADC for the last three Vice-Roys of India, wrote that in his book. There are two others who were recruited by the British: Gandhi in 1915 and Ambedkar in 1930.
British supported the Muslim League wholeheartedly from the beginning in 1906. In every riot, British police took the position to support the Muslims. That was obvious in August 1946 in Calcutta, then in Noakhali, and Chittagong in East Bengal. Pakistan was created by the British and Jinnah, Gandhi, Ambedkar were the British agents.
Gandhi planned Pakistan in 1943. He sent his plan to Jinnah through Rajagopalachari, but Jinnah wanted a corridor through India which Gandhi could not agree with.
There was no corruption in Pakistan before the Nawaz Sharif's entry in politics in 1985
After Nawaz Sharif, it was Zardari who took a 02nd lead in corruption
f there was no Bharat, then how there Maha Bharat 5000 years back? Indians start our daily prayers with Bharata Khande... Jamboo Dweepe...
very nice comment,,,,,,,wahabis are the followers of Bhkharee and his Hadith...not quran and rasool-e-pak.
politics is all about money even not only in Pakistan but also in most of the world..
Big landowners control 40% of land and irrigation
15:00 "The Jesuits used to say this"
Very true read Adam Zamoyski, Poland was a pluralist society until the Counter Reformation Jesuits arrived.
Today it is 93% Catholic.
19:00 vimp
As a patriotic Pakistan i agree with him that majority of the Pakistani people have been unlucky not to have a political leadership who care for them but alot has changed since 2008. Area which he is talking about is getting fenced and NWFP is called by ethnic name Khaibar Pukhtukhwa e.g KPK and also FATA region is merged constitutionally into Pakistan. 2 Governmens have completed their tenure of course with loads of corruption but army has resisted the coup. Now it Imran Khan there is hope as he is not a seasoned politician but he is not corrupt which is more important. Pakistan army has agreed on controlled democracy thats why you see army chief touring different countries. Only thing left is when they will start spending money on people of Pakistan and how much. Also weapons purchased by Pakistan from US have gone from 2 billions to 22 millions so good bye Americans.
Waqas Maqsood how come FATA region and kpk looks more like Afghanistan then the rest of Pakistan like Punjab region??
You seem to be deluded
knowing your thoughts through your comment.
The Muslim league were the spoilers
Pakistan is a State nota Nation as India is with highly diversified phenomena
part of sikh punjab he is forgetting that why did they not get gujrat
The basic idea on which it had been buil of uniting the Muslims of the Indian subcontinent had gone and been buried. So what was the new state going to be dad was the big question. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto did dream of it build Pakistan as a modern social democratic state, He was dumped on Kissinger's order
Tariq would say what to Modi today
For all the Indians in the comments fawning because he criticises Pakistan, you should listen to Tariq's views on the Indian Occupation of Kashmir.
Alternate history - how would the world be different today if both the Congress and the Muslim league had been little more sensible and a little less selfish and avoided partition? The population as well as the landmass would have been bigger and may even be slightly more difficult to govern, but a united Indian subcontinent would have had much bigger geo-political clout and i am not even talking about the "soft clout" that comes from cultural influence. As a nation the huge defence expenditure could have been more fruitfully deployed in other development projects bringing prosperity, as India would no longer be surrounded by 2 nuclear armed enemy states. China's proxy war through Pakistan would be absent. The vast landmass and stretch of India, direct connection with Asean countries would help balance China. The islamisation threat, that is exported from Pakistan and in recent years from Bangladesh would have been much more moderated since the big drivers like the Kashmir issue and the state sponsors would no longer be present. Think how the entire pre-independance India, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian and others worked in cohesion to boot out colonial powers, no reason why the same harmony wouldn't continue with little counter-narrative. There might be minor scuffles but which country doesn't have that today. In conclusion, India's history of non-violent independence movement, non aggressive stance vis-a-vis any of its neighbors, the fact that it would not only be the largest democracy but also more powerful and prosperous would have brought long lasting stability and peace to the whole region.
This is what Gandhi and the Khilafat movement wanted when they joined forces
Naive
Great point. Wouldn't that be great? However, there were a few more reasons why bengali Muslims and lower caste hindus wanted a country where the zamindari/feudal systems were eradicated. This is because both these groups were oppressed by the Jomidars/Zamindars. In East Pakistan and now Bangladesh, this (land reforms) was accomplished. In India the land reforms were done but now in 2024, one cannot imagine harmonious living. In Pakistan feudal system is still entrenched.
Bangladesh even has different take on Islam
GREAT POST cruelbeast83
But do you know who this man is. son of tahira ali and moshin ali.
Who were tahira n mohsin
Sir, I am very much skeptical that India was ready to give its air fields to USA if Pakistan had refused. Simply India 's foreign policy is quite different as that of Pakistan.
It is not driven by religion and hatred for native religion of Indian subcontinent...
Its not hearsay, the Indian govt did make that offer, and I remember a lot of Indian journalists asking US govt officials in white house press briefings for why they are not accepting Indian offer and attacking Pakistan.
Its the fuedal system which India did this as soon as it come into being
What about the 1965 war
I am afraid tor I ran who dreams of a social Islamic stre because inner outer forces have unshea them their fangs
Tariq sahib is little misinterpreting madsras although they give religious but besides they at least give education wiht urdu as basic language
He COULD travel to Pakistan and lecture them about their faults. But like most of our self styled revolutionaries he prefers to live in a hated " Western "
democracy . Cowardice I suppose .....or Common sense ?
This video has aged well.