Evan Rachel Wood on Surviving Her Abusive Relationship with Marilyn Manson | Season 2; Ep 30
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In this emotional episode, award-winning actress Evan Rachel Wood reveals how she survived years of abuse by Brian Warner, best known as controversial rocker Marilyn Manson, and the painful decisions she’s had to face in order to heal.
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Evan Rachel Wood is an American actress and musician. She has starred in a variety of film and television projects, including HBO's hit series "Westworld," for which she received an Emmy nomination. She has also appeared in films such as "The Ides of March," "Into the Forest," and "Frozen 2."
In addition to her acting career, Wood has released several albums and singles over the years. She is also an outspoken advocate for various causes, including LGBTQ rights, mental health awareness, and survivors of sexual assault. Wood has shared her own experiences with trauma and uses her platform to raise awareness and promote change.
Wood has been recognized for her work both on and off screen. In 2017, she was named one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people. She continues to be an active voice in promoting social justice and using her talent to make a positive impact on the world.
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I recommend having Jennette McCurdy, the former actress and author of I'm Glad My Mom Died as a guest on your show.
Seconded.
ABSOLUTELY 💯
man what a name for a book lols
Please don't stop using or describing 'red flags'. I was in a series of narcissistic relationships throughout the first 50 years of my life. I am still innately attracted to this personality type and it is only because of your work that I have been identify these people very early - if not from across the room - and I don't get near them or I immediately run in the other direction.
I think the problem is not in using the term red flags, but in the way it’s perceived : an honest signal the abuser sends about people about who he is, making the victim responsible of their own abuse if they don’t see then or don’t take them into account and avoid the person. And she points how this understanding is totally misunderstanding the relationship of abuse and the psychological mechanisms, without saying it puts the blame and responsibility entirely on the victim. I think if we were not living in an apologetic society, and a sexist society, that’s obsessed about merit and individual responsibility above all else, the red flag term would not be so misunderstood and misused. But it unfortunately is. I don’t think it’s a reason to put it in the trash entirely but there is definitely something to do about that. Also even if the term red flag would not exist another term talking about the same behaviors and signs would exist in its place, it wouldn’t erase this reality. But it would maybe set society’s understanding even more backward because not only would you need to be more informed about a word you would need to change your vocabulary and use another and if you don’t know the new term it can pose problems to communicate and that’s the key here.
Who did the damage in your childhood… mom or dad, may I ask ?
Red flags can be a desperate attempt of survivors at trying to prevent this from happening again. It's not a way to blame or to guilt survivors, but I see how you could see it that way.
Rachel is the red flag 🚩
Good for you but u missed out on this red fleg.Evan rahel wood and ilma Gore concocted these lies against Marylin Manson.They are the reall narsisists here and red flags.Do your reseach before pouring your soul in these comments.She a fraud.
As the eldest son of a malignant narcissist, I am amazed at how much of Evan's experience matches mine. These creeps really are all the same. Thank you Evan for your courage and thank you Dr Ramani for hosting this conversation.
Her experience matches mine too, because she IS the narcissist. She's doing what 'my' narcissist did so well- projecting the things she's done as if they happened to her... and she's lying about plenty of other things too. This is proven. She's a certified #metoohoaxer and eventually the rest of her supporters with a mind of their own will find out for themselves. Just takes a little research...
#JusticeforMarilynManson
You do realize she’s lying right? There is no proof that anything she says happened. As a matter two of her witnesses have recanted and reported being pressured
FATALITY
There are two types of people who can describe accurately the tactics of a malignant narcissist. One of those is the victims who have won the knowledge the hard way, backed up by their own extensive research.
The other type doesn't have to do much research because they are just describing themselves. Evan Rachel Wood is very likely the latter. Do some decent reserch on this case, there is some great analysis right here on CZcams, and then consider which type you think Evan is and who is really the victim in this case.
@@richardchappell930 What I find shocking is that Dr Ramani is totally taken in by Evan's playing victim and she is supposed to be an expert on Narcissism.
Richard is spot on!
This video felt so validating… the part that hit home was when Dr Ramani said ‘when there’s grooming involved there is no consent’. It’s the first time I have heard anyone acknowledge this. 💛🙏🏻
Evan was an adult when she was with Marilyn and consented to being in a relationship with him. Those of us her age who remember when they were together remember how she loved the attention being with him at the height of his fame. It's a shame she would wait until decades later to say anything conveniently when the statute of limitations is up. Also her activist girlfriend was posting fake documents on twitter and you should see her tweets, they are wild. They could still sue each other in court and allow the court to see the documents. Innocent until proven guilty
All psychobabble aside, Wood was an *adult* at the time, so she *consented*. If she changed her mind, years after the fact, that's her problem.
@@myword1000 where there in coercion there is no consent.
@@michellechristina8770 There was no "coercion". There is deception. Evan Rachel Wood is a Liar. #ProsecuteFalseAccusers
@@Willowtree82to add to that, she also spoke highly of Manson. She did an interview 5 years after they separated so 2015, where she talked about how Manson made her feel so liberated and free and although they weren’t quite right for each other, she’d never trade her relationship with him for anything and she valued everything he taught her. She also mentioned being raped by a bar owner and ex bf in the same interview which is weird to acknowledge her rape and speak highly of the person (who she later accuses of that rape) in the same interview. She is a messy mess. I’m actually working on a video of her because she lies a lot, even in her gender activism and I’m calling her on it! I mean this woman had the nerve to publicly call Kobe Bryant a rapist on the day he and his daughter died a horrific death. She’s an evil person.
I used gray rock at the end with my ex covert narc -I didn't know the name for it yet either but once he took off his nice guy mask at the breakup I just knew I should treat him like a bully in school -give them no emotion in my voice or face, pretend to listen , say as little as possible, share nothing -be as boring as humanly possible it gives the narc nothing to cue off of - he did seem very puzzled and all over the place but he'd been all over the place (sometimes nice guy mask on, sometimes very hurtful towards me) for a while anyway
In Sweden some are advocating for an anti grooming law: it would mean that young people who are by law.considered old enough to have sex, can have sex with other young people with a maximum age difference of five years. This would prevent grown up men from grooming, manipulate and controle much younger girls/woman and boys/men. Yong ppl would get the chance to mature and gain more self knowledge and self confidence. I do believe in this concept. Does anyone know of existing laws like this?
Do they have an anti-lying law, something to hold manipulative scheming degenerates like Evan Rachel Wood to account?
Sounds stupid.
Never heard of anything so stupid in all of my life!
Go Sweden! ❤️ Geez here in the US, that would take out most of our government and corporate executives! 🤬😡
It’s moronic, infantilizing adults is harmful and stupid
Men in the comments victim blaming, very sad and really shows how society only thinks blaming the woman and the victim
I was sexually assaulted by my infant sons father. We never lived together and had not been spending any time together at that point. Some other things had happened too. I went to the police filed a report under much duress then I was told I had to speak to another department….he knew what happened but totally totally further helped assault me by saying to me and nodding as if trying to get me to agree with him he asked/ told me “ Maybe he just wanted to have sex with you” Are you kidding me? Those were his exact words. I walked out knowing they were going to do nothing. About anything.
Sounds like bs to me, but hey, u do u!
@@myword1000you sound like bs not her.
@@etcwhatever So ur just another numpty that believes whatever wild, implausible accusations are going, totally without evidence, and are happy to smear the innocent. At least u've outed urself.
@@myword1000
The fuck is wrong with you?
It feels like a warm embrace of someone who understands. I am tired of hearing advice- just pack up your kid and Leave, why are you staying, if he was that bad why don’t you report him etc. finally it feels like a conversation of people who get it. Even the manipulation that I had to do to make him believe he us leaving me, because I wasn’t to leave him without repercussions. I am so tired of uninformed and judgmental advice from family and friends who don’t get it and gaslight me in a way, while unknowingly enabling and empowering him
She lost custody of her kid. She forged a letter from an FBI agent. She has been caught in several lies. When someone is a proven liar, they can’t be trusted
This feels like a warm embrace. Thanks for the accurate description. I believe her. Possibly those actions were the efforts of a very young person, trying to escape. I don't know. But based on my personal experience, everything she's describing is very real. I've lived it and know her responses are genuine. Anyone trying to mimic the experiences of others, would never gain this authenticity. I think you have to have lived it.
it's out of the BOOKS!!! @@wearestardst
@@wearestardst What authenticity?? They're stories from people like you- being relayed by an extremely sociopathic and manipulative actress.
You nailed it!!! Best that they leave!!! Soo much safer!!!! This a 100x!!! Many do t get it until they sit in this hell hole and until they are in the ditches fighting for their children and so much more like our own sanity they have no right to judge! Their talk is cheep and let’s see them escape with these amazing resources! No matter how much money or resources or well there is that narcissist will make sure you have no access to any of it. This includes any friendships or family members that could help you, and they start from the beginning as their Lavonda gone farming, you just thinking the shit behind your back from day one!!!!!
This is why people don’t understand it’s more complicated than people want to admit
Incredible. This is probably the closest description I’ve had to my own narcissistic partner.
You don't have to take my word for it, but the reason she knows it so well is because she was the perpetrator. She's a great actress and a cunning liar, but the truth always comes out.
@@adifferentanimal1250 and out of textbooks.
@@juniper9799 and Google searches with the help of Ashley Ilma-Gore.
@@adifferentanimal1250yeah of course an 18 year old teenager totally took advantage of a 37 year old grown man 😂😂😂 are you out of your mind??
@@microbito66 and you're out of your mind if you really think that some pretty young 18-year old can't manipulate and control a 37 year-old man. GET REAL. Do some damn research, face facts, and stop denying plausibility.
I recently had a conversation with my abuser and we touched on our recollection of the domestic violence situation that he had done to me my abuser denied forgot didn’t hold himself accountable for any of his actions his perception was warped due to alcohol being involved it has done something to my psyche I’m trying to work threw it has made me question my recollection but I know deep down that it’s his narcissistic ways so mind boggling🥺
Please talk to someone safe about your experience, your abuser won't give you the acknowledgement you deserve, and worse, you can end up entangled in his lies and justifications again. Healing just goes in the opposite direction.
Thank you I really appreciate your response I quickly learned/realized that having a conversation was not the right choice as it infuriated me and felt like I once did was not good for my mental health what so ever highly do not recommend the abuser will always paint a false picture to only make them look good 😞
That’s an interesting proposition, the overlap or differences between alcoholism/substance abuse and narcissistic personality. I wonder if he might really not remember because of blackouts. Really depends what he was doing. I’m sorry you went through it however you classify it.
@@judithflom6366 I can see how that may be confusing he could have definitely blacked out as he literally did not remember much at all. He is also very much a narcissist we have a 14 year-old together and he’s been sober for 13 of those years, and he chooses to share his recollection of our situation from 14 years ago with our daughter, which is terrible because of many different reasons number one he forgets all of what happened and it’s painting a specific picture of the incident and none of it’s true also to speak about those things with our 14-year-old daughter is super narcissistic. I believe adult issues should stay with the adults. Never put on a child so much more to say. Also just a friendly remider make sure you really know who you are having a child with in my case his narcissistic tendencies didn’t come out until after I was pregnant much love protect your mental health 🥰
Narcissism runs on denial and a fantasy world where they are perfect. It's part of the disorder. They are incapable of seeing your side
What you are telling was exactly the same with me .I was tired of listening to him yelling but he was never tired of it.
Truths!!!!
Me too.
As someone who grew up (around the same age) watching Evan in films, I recall feeling worried & concerned when I read about their engagement. The age difference, the power dynamics, how creepy he was...
As someone who escaped a narcissistic marriage myself, I relate!
What a wonderful interview to hear about her struggles; eventually freeing herself, & finding her voice
The part where Evan talks about how Brian's drug use, appearance and reputation made the backlash to their relationship all judgement instead of concern to her is so important. I've heard people talk specifically about Evan's abuse saying, "well she was stupid and crazy to get with a freak like Marilyn Manson in the first place" when the truth is that she saw something in him that she loved and its useless to shame and isolate her further because of that. All that does is further push victims into the hands of their abusers, if anyone has a friend, family member or even acquaintance in a situation like Evan's the best thing you can do is offer them judgement free support
I think people's bullshit detectors improve as they get older. She was only 18, naive, rebellious, and he saw her coming. I think he showed her what he wanted her to see. And 35-year-old Evan wouldn't give someone like Brian the time of day. 35-year-old evan would be like, "why are you acting and dressing like someone who wants to shock the adults when you're almost 40?" and she would have his number when he tries to manipulate her.
I am sure that part is real when she talks about it. The media was really disgusting towards her when she was dating him. They have no problem blaming the woman for a cheating man or shaming women about their sexuality and relationships. Entertainment media is despicable and cruel.
It’s all lies. It’s a story she & Ilma Gore concocted - #metoohoax ! Trying to present yourself as the feminist heroine is self serving and cruel. She’s using and delegitimizing true victims. Don’t be fooled. She and her ex-girlfriend have caused so much pain for so many people and they are totally unfazed
@@judithflom6366they don’t need that excuse to blame her, but it makes it a lot easier for them.
Bottom line is, her ex-Brian Warner, aka Marilyn Manson, is an avowed Satanist.
It took me a long time to realize he fed off my fear. When I would shake and cry. He loved it. These people are monsters. Pure evil.
They are very sick yes
40:20 my grandmother was the first person to ever believe me when I told about my abuser. She has been abused when she was a kid too, and she said to my mother back them to take care of me around a friend she has. That's also why I sobbed on Evan's Phoenix Rising Documentary, because I been through an abusive relationship when I was 13 and I was in a full-blown Stockholm Syndrome situation when I was 12 yrs old with an in-lawn that also abused me. We know and we recognize the truth in other people. So even though there's many comments following a mob mentality to defend an abuser, I'm glad us survivors can still find each other. We are our safe spots, and there's nothing abusers can do about it. Thank you Evan for coming forward and being a rock even after all the attacks coming from Brian's defendants.
ERW is no victim. She's a liar. Phoenix Rising is just so much manipulative lying trash.
And please in future refrain from referring to innocent men as "abusers", because that makes YOU a liar too.
@@myword1000 Let me draw this to you: Brian was 35 and Evan was 18. But you'll say they dated when she was 19 and he was 36, so I'll use these numbers. I'm almost 30 and even if I dated the most vicious and manipulative 19 years old, I'd still have the upper hand in the relationship, because of my experience with meeting and dating people in the past. Now imagine Brian, a 36 years old that has traveled the world, has met hundreds of thousands of people, has had a long career at this point plus has had many more long term relationships than a 19 years old would ever think of having. He was not the victim. He had the control in the relationship, he knew what he was doing and knew the consequences of his acts. He had a full developed frontal cortex. Again, even if she was the most vicious and manipulative 19 years old, he could even use this to his favor, or he could simply stop seeing her, due to his experiences. Evan, by the other hand, was just getting out of her mother's arms, just getting out of her teenager years, she was far more gullibe, and naïve than Brian, just because of her age. So no, Brian is NOT a victim.😂
@@arianeguedes467 Not reading all that. The fault is entirely with the scheming, lying Ms Wood. Hoping she ends up where she belongs - in jail.
@@myword1000 of course you're not reading. uneducated people are the only ones who believe in every distorted reality Miss Colonel chew and spit on their faces lol
I am so grateful to all responsible for this extremely validating video!! Blessings to anyone having a "relationship"with a narcissist ❤
This process of grooming happens any time that we are on the radar of “fleeing the nest” at any age, wether this comes from leaving our family or a marriage. These people seek out weakness in people who are strong, and making a change, and they will jump in as our savior. It’s so terrible, bc we just got strong, and they swoop in and take that strength away.
As if she wasn’t the one calling the shots all along. Why would Manson lie when he could just disappear? She’s the one getting speaking engagements and designer clothed photo shoots for attention and clout. She’s been caught in many lies where you can’t even take anything she says serious anymore.
@@kkrautI can't comprehend how anyone could trust someone that takes ZERO accountability for anything they've ever done. I've learned so much about this case over the past few weeks that I'm nearly convinced that she groomed him!
And she keeps spicing up her stories!! Disgusting human being. Evan, JUST COME CLEAN before you're exiled to planet Heard.
@@kkrautthe facts are she was 18 yo. Why the hell do you think a man that much older wanted her? He wanted the power imbalance and you're only helping him continue to gaslight people because he's famous. Go away 🐒
@@kkrautwhy would he lie when he could just disappear??
LMFAO
“Moving The Goal Post(s)” You got it.
As a fan/former fan this feels very validating. I have a sad case of being a fan of abusers. I just want the truth and nothing but the truth. I love the way Dr. Ramani and Evan Rachel Wood seem to have such an easy rapport. It's beautiful.
People who doubt what Evan is saying. Unless you have experienced narcissistic abuse a normal person cannot comprehend the abuser's behaviour. They are charming to those around them. Can come across as kind, generous, funny. They have cultivated a public image of themselves. But behind closed doors they are a different creature. A lot of people didn't believe my ex husband was abusive to me because he was 'such a nice guy'. I didn't even realise some of his tactics were abusive until I left because it was insidious and subtle. And he made me feel like it was all my fault.
She IS the abuser. Look at the evidence.
I've been my mums support my whole life; essentially her innocence was snuffed out early in childhood mainly from abuse from her father. Which was further exacerbated by her mum being diagnosed with ovarian cancer and a brain tumor, she passed away when my mum was only 14 years old.
She then runs away from home, meets my father who is 8 years older than her on the streets, both living this kind of transient lifestyle. Has sex for the first time and gets pregnant with me at 16-17, my dad at the time being 25. Their relationship was horrible, both had extensive trauma histories, both were very abusive to one another. They got divorced before my first birthday, and because of their neglect I was raised by my grandparents.
My dad eventually had his eyes opened when my brother nearly died, and started being an adult, and working on himself. My mother never really left that dark place, she's trying though, but I will never turn my back on her.
And she recently (couple months ago) got out of this horrifying relationship... I was so proud of her, but also angry? He almost killed her twice, and stayed with him even after he physically assaulted the only man that's ever been there for her/ supported her/ selflessly loved her and cared for her (my former step dad).
And every time she'd stay I'd tell her I loved her more, I'd call everyday, I would listen to all of the terrible things this man would say and do to her; knowing that I could not be honest, or say that she needs to leave or that the dynamic is toxic. So I'd just tell her I love her and that there is nothing in this world that could make me stop loving her, she's my mum-but really i'm her mum.
And so you saying that me waiting out these moments until she's ready... is SO extremely validating, I didn't know I needed to hear that. It brought me to hysterically crying... I've been trying to write this for 3 hrs, and just, thank you.
You deserve to be able to focus on you or you won't truly be there for her. You need to set some boundaries honey.
Thanks for sharing. All the best for you❤❤❤
Wow. So much of this is familiar. The intimidation. The behind-closed-doors / in-the-car rage and berating. The long term effects. So glad she is giving victims a voice.
She claims everyone knew about his abusive personality. So she can't claim it happened behind closed doors. So many dispute this, including many who were there. Most probably don't want to get involved so are staying silent. Like Manson who has been silenced and can't defend himself
@@LilacrosepetalleafHe can speak on X, nobody's preventing him
@@Lilacrosepetalleafwhat a ridiculous comment. He never shuts up.
Usually what happens, is, the narcs, and psychopaths act like cool dudes in front of the public, and the police, if they’re called. But, once the narcs get in their cars driving away w/their victims, they start intimidating their partner, hollering, and screaming at their victim(s), and driving like they’re going to crash😳
@@36janders wtf are you talking about? What has he said? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US. What has he said?? Stop lying!
My dad falls into the categories of extreme malignant and vulnerable narcissist. He is also the most severe example of a grandiose, manic individual with bipolar I've ever seen. Growing up - and until March of this year - I remained his primary source of validation. So enmeshed, through complete parentification.
Thank you for sharing your story.
It is powerful.
This was such a good interview. She articulates the emotional experience so well.
Because she is one
She is describing what she did to him. She is the abuser.
@caravanrose riiiiight
Yes because she is an actress!
My own narcissistic abuser told me that he wanted to smash my head. Is so specifically violent that when you listen someone saying that phrase, you know that something with them is off. Totally believe you, Evan.
You resonate with her because she knows the buzzwords, phrases, and triggers that will work on your emoathy. Don't be fooled anymore. There's plenty of evidence out there now that has proven she's lied about many things, and after 5+ years she decided to pull out some more for this podcast.
Yeah ok but Manson said this himself. He has said plenty to indict himself on and raise some eyebrows.
@@judithflom6366 I have to look at both sides of this. If she's as sociopathic as she seems, I could easily see her pushing his buttons relentlessly. Saying that obviously isn't cool, but I've heard a lot of stupid things come out of people's mouths when they're angry (myself included). If any abuse (physical or verbal) was happening in their relationship, it was either from her or both if them. And I know she obviously can't be trusted. I hope this thing goes to trial.
@@adifferentanimal1250have you had any direct experience of narcissistic abuse? You're bent on defending him and outing her, I just wonder why? As I said before, Amber Heard spoke like a narcissist, acted like one, had no emotional connect. This person speaks like someone who has experienced narcissistic abuse. I know the experience. How about you?
Terrifying get out now.
Love the points you bring out and highlight for those of us still crawling out from under terribly detrimental homes and relationships. Really appreciate your work, Dr Ramani
Too bad Dr. Ramani doesn’t address her lies and discrepancies.
It was & still is painful to look at pictures of myself before the narcissistic abuse. Being is “trouble” and being “punished “ is sadly true. There’s no exaggeration & it’s hard to understand and comprehend to those that have never experienced it.
They went public with their romance in January 2007, when Wood was 19 and Manson was 36.
she met him when she was 18 and he had started the grooming process
@@taylorsversion1997no grooming when it was consented from both parties.... How do you believe her after her false allegations have been proven?
@@ryanpape9815 that’s not how grooming works but ok. and just so you know those are claims that are based on nothing credible so much that the judge had to reject it. get your facts straight instead of believing every headline you see. start by knowing what grooming is and then we can talk. also get over evan rachel wood since you guys are so convinced she’s a liar and let’s focus on the 80+ people who have similar stories against him 🙃
@@taylorsversion1997 really... Facts dont lie or care about your.....
Have you ever heard of coercive control, this can happen at eny age
This interview is comprehensive and so important to hear and understand. As a survivor, I honor and respect my fellow brothers and sisters who have traveled this lonely path. Thanks Dr. Ramani and Ms. Wood for your bravery and honesty, you do make a difference, you are heard, you are believed, and most of all you are loved.
This was an excellent discussion and interview. Very relatable for other survivors.
Very relatable. Thank you so much❤
I'm a survivor and I don't relate to liars. In fact I'm disgusted by them
This was wildly relatable. I remember reading about their relationship when West World first came out and I thought, surely, this was so upper echelon it was nowhere near my own life experiences. This video is so sobering.
The smear campaign resonates with me. Narcissistic abuse is such an insidious and long term breakdown game for them. Narcissists LOVE to break you down over time to make themselves feel better and more powerful. These are dangerous ppl who disguise themselves for years that they actually love you but behind closed doors, look out! I SO relate to what they said about fighting with you the minute ppl leave the house or especially in the car!!! How many times did I try to jump out of a moving vehicle because he went psycho. Then they will tell someone you are crazy for trying to jump out of a vehicle with ZERO acknowledgement they were in a rage and caused it! Ppl who have experienced narcissism can relate exactly to what other victims have gone through. When she spoke of bringing water in the wrong cups and getting punished for it later, it brought me right back to when my Ex spent an hour raging at me for not finishing a cup of coffee!!!! For making a pot of coffee and not "needing" an entire pot of coffee! This is the kind of insanity I'm talking about. And why victims say anything would set them off and you start to question your own sanity because the things they get so mad about seem so petty. The insecurity, the competition, the resentment, all of the things you see almost on a daily basis. Then when you pull back, the Love Bombing starts! I could go on and on and on 🙄 as I said....it's insidious!
Financial freedom is so important not to tolerate the abuse however one of the reasons is not to have somewhere to go.
😢😢😢😢😢😢 yep..
Watching this and the comments beneath it, is making it very obvious to survivors who are strong after actually getting out of such an ordeal, that flying monkeys are real and will never cease to exist. Most people have not experienced what a grooming feels like to the victim, how long it takes to see it as such, and after the whole phase of collapse and submittal to the abuse, to realize it's wrong and you deserve a better life than this. Nobody is allowed to treat you like that. YOU have to understand that you need to be the one to make that move to get out. And that it needs to be final, so you can't go back when you start missing them...
So many of these people commenting... HAVE NO CLUE.... and if you are very lucky - or for that matter, completely uninteresting to narcissists, then think yourself lucky and stop accusing people you do not know of things they most likely HAVE NOT DONE !
STOP VICTIM BLAMING! YOU ALL ARE FREE AND HAVE NO CLUE! SHUT UP! Be happy that YOU HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED SOMETHING LIKE THIS YOURSELF!
AND I have every single track Manson has EVERY made. So there. You can be a fan and see a negative side to someone. It just means I am not going to see him in concert anymore. Most likely. And if i ever win backstage passes, i am giving them away.
But I see Evan Rachel Wood. And you may all think because she appears to be strong, that this all is made up and fake?
Narcissists are the ones believed. OF COURSE! No normal person needs to manage their Narrative like they do! OR do you 24/7 work on relationship management and gaslight people to get them to do your bidding? OF COURSE YOU DON'T! No normal person can expect this or keep up with it once they discover it, NOR DO THEY WANT TO!
It takes SUPER HUMAN STRENGTH... and actually being able to see your own worth, to take action and get out. ITS THE HARDEST THING YOU WILL EVER HAVE TO DO. in most peoples lives....
A lot of people reading this, are in abusive relationships. And you negative commenters are just leaving a blurb about a thought you had there for a second... flippant, incorrect and judgy AF. You go away and forget that you wrote it.
A survivor of / or someone even currently experiencing abuse will come and read this and feel awful. If you are alone and you feel put down by the commenters saying she's lying. And you identify with that she is saying - it fits your experience in enough points to feel valid - DO NOT LET THE NEGATIVITY GET TO YOU! YOUR EXPERIENCE IS VALID AND YOU DID NOT ASK TO BE ABUSED!
I have been following Dr. Ramani for a few years now. I would have to go and see but I have seen most of her videos.
She knows.
She understands.
It's thanks to her, that I have come as far as I have. And I'm not yet out.
YOU can get out too! Don't let the abuser change you and make you think you don't exist. That's what they want! Do not let them win. If you want to get out. YOU CAN GET OUT!
And the fake FBI letter, i didn’t know victims needed to fake evidence…😂
This is a logical fallacy. Mostly people aren’t blaming the victim. Blaming the victim would be stuff like “You shouldn’t have worn that clothing.” Most people have looked into the case. And so they are not blaming the victim, they are calling out an abuser. They are not calling ERW supporters flying monkeys out of being civil .
I have been w Dr R since the beginning including all of her professional trainings. I work in this field.
I have been through this. I have survived. This interview is exactly why the term DARVO exists.
@@jjones9553 Yeah. False Accusers & their apologists use it to shift attention away from their own disgraceful behaviour. We saw this in spades when the truth was coming out about the Heard woman.
@@jjones9553 I’m curious what you mean re DARVO. Who is doing that and in what way?
Great conversation on a difficult and common problem. I’ve been there, her descriptions nailed it - thank you for speaking up.
Some narcissists enjoy making you grey rock. They'll hold on to you and enjoy the fact you're miserable and just go outside the relationship for their supply.
I think you've met my husband. You're describing him perfectly!
@@annjohnson8437 I'm sorry. Unfortunately this was a few of my exes as well.
That’s exactly what Amber Heard did to JD.
Wow. So true
Grey rock isn’t meant to be a permanent solution to stay w/ the narc nor is it meant to make them change or “see the light”. Abusers/narcs will do what they do… Grey rock is meant as a temporary technique to keep the damage minimal as you make your escape and to help victims practice not getting baited into the drama cycles & cultivating emotional distance & strength.
I’ve been a Manson fan all my life, but I believe Evan and I support her. This woman was abused. The way she describes it is all too familiar for me.
Yeah. I’m 26 now but honestly as a teenager going through so much shit, he was a huge comfort to me, and he meant a lot to me. I was obsessed with him and when you pour over his interviews starting at the very beginning, read his autobiography, etc it’s almost expected that he would do something like this. As mentioned in the video, he literally admitted to fantasizing about murdering her, for one.
I hope truly Evan continues to heal and I hope he stops hurting people one day.
After reading many of the comments here I so sympathize with survivors of narcissistic abuse. However, I don't see ERW as a survivor but see someone who has learned a great deal about narcissism and is using it to her advantage.
lolz
You know nothing about the case then. Check out colonel Kurtz
@@proserpine3332funny because all of his other long term girlfriends had nothing but good things to say about MM. Why did she wait decades later? Why did her activist girlfriend get on twitter and post all these crazy jealous tweets about Marilyn and post fake documents?
1:18:20 "... communal [N] meets malignant [N] is your cult leader"
1:18:23 "what you're describing feels like where malignant [N] meets vulnerable [N] ..."
1:18:28 "...and it's a very dangerous combination because of the victimhood, because of the 'I was never understood by the world', it's like ... 'nobody wants to appreciate me'. *That can pull for a rescuing vibe from other people,* then people are drawn into it, and then the malignant piece happens, *to me it's the most deadly of the combinations."*
Are you pointing this out because it describes evan?
Most people in the world; especially adolescents, feel that they have been misunderstood at some point in their lives. It doesn't make them a Narcissist. Stop the witch hunt.
" I coul'd not believe he would be attracted to me...I was mature for my age...ther ware other minors..." I so relate!
for english language type 1
Who are these “minors”? Do you know them? Have you seen them? Please explain.
She sought him out and flirted with him, a married man.
She went to that party looking for him.
@@niccolea2086 and? A married man should be able to control himself.
@@agatazietek9098 But we know they don’t. And it’s women like ERW, who get dressed up and set out to break a married man down.
They’re BOTH wrong and I’m not defending MM, but we all see MM, it’s ERW who is hiding in plain sight.
She’s mentally ill.
He’s twisted but at least he’s not made it his mission to set out to hurt others. Do you know what a sociopath path is?
Dr ramani, why do it stand Red table talk podcast with a red sign up in the left corner on this youtubeclip, is this a Red table production?
So many people in the comments here are forgetting that she had to do things on camera even before she met Brian Warner that were inappropriate for her age - and taught her to set her own needs and comfort aside to act for the camera. (And that pleased her mother, remember.) He went after her after he saw her in the move 13. Just let that sink in.
Says who? 13 came out in 2003, they started dating in 2007 by which time she'd done at least 5 more movies, including pretty persuasion which was about false sex allegations. Nice try at making your flaky narrative though.
Prove it. That's how this works. You don't get to accuse anyone without proof and evidence and so far Evans activist girlfriend has done nothing but post fake documents and lies on twitter as well as Evan. They were both called out. She was an adult when she was with Marilyn. When Rose McGowan exposed Harvey Weinstein and all the child actors started coming out about their abuse that was the real me too and those stories were covered up by fake metoo money hungry grubbers like Evans Girlfriend whose brainwashed. She had many many years to mention something. It's funny how all of Marilyn's actual girlfriends who he had known long term relationships with said the exact opposite of him one which was Rose McGowan herself which is kind of odd, almost like Evan may have been working for Harvey to get the spotlight off of him? I mean since we are all speculating. It wouldn't surprise me because Harvey hired a foreign private intelligence firm called black cube to stalk Rose. These firms as work in reputation management and spreading disinformation
That doesn't excuse her behaviour, her lying and narcissistim, being abused doesn't give you the right to abuse others. If she hadn't been exposed by her own lies she could have destroyed Marilyn Mawson's life.
He went after her after seeing the film 13. Did he. Wheres the proof of that.
People will bend over backwards to defend a manipulative liar like Evan even when the evidence suggests that she is as toxic as they come. Pretty pathetic..
I should've known not to read the comments. SMDH.
What a fantastic podcast and this presentation covered so much! Thank you Dr. Raman and Evan!
This was such a great interview. I've admired Evan as an actress ever since I saw True Blood. She's very talented. I was a long-time fan of Marilyn Manson ever since I heard about him and the Spooky Kids, and I, along with many others, believed he was just a misunderstood artist and that these allegations must have just been BDSM gone wrong, or something. But, I continued doing research, and the first time I heard Evan speak about this in Phoenix Rising, I knew she was telling the truth. I realized I was just another kid who fell for that fabricated persona he created... just like she did.
I'm 37 now and have been in abusive relationships since I was only 14. I've been single for a while now and I've recently realized my growth has been severely stunted. I've somehow made up for that in spiritual growth, but I know it's time to find a really good trauma therapist and begin my (probably decades long and six or seven figure) process of healing. Maybe one day I'll be OK enough to be in a good relationship that isn't abusive. Seeing Evan speak about this really gives me hope that I'll be able to find the healing I need too. Everything you two spoke about in this episode sounded like all of my past relationships. Thank you for sharing this.
I convinced mine to let me go too. It’s very empowering. I have kids with him and so they had to be protected. Confronting an abuser does not work. Then I went no contact while he did his smear campaign.
I moved 4 states away with the kids. That rocked his world. It gave him so much to complain about.
@@Scarlettbankergirllmao good for you
This lady lied like a rug
Thank you Rachel for your courage. It is a great help. By the way: Into the Forest was an awesome movie :)
My situation ended three days ago. It was only 7.5 months long, but it was enough for me to discern what is going on thanks to videos like this. I can only imagine how hard it could have become. Never again.
I0) This podcast so closely narrates my experiences that I'm all tense listening to it.
The "Federal Violent Crimes Department" needs to be interviewed about its role in Evan's custody dispute.
It might be difficult because they are only open sporadically, for maybe a couple of hours. And usually at odd times not overlapping with standard work week hours.
Ilma and Evan were spitballing that fake FBI letter. "Okay, what can we call it?"/"Well, if such a thing existed, it's part of the FBI, so it's gotta be 'Federal' something-or-other."/"And it investigates violent crimes, so how about ...'The Federal Violent Crimes Department?"/"That's it, Evan. You nailed it." Ilma then taps furiously on her Mac Air.
@@jackcovey1832 Exactly. Like the real world doesn't matter, no one checks things out, and you can just make shit up.
@@jackcovey1832 lol😉
She deals in the plural often - why is that
When she said, my silence was making me sick, I heard that!
Sadly I know this very well my secrets made me sick
More likely its Evan's lying that is making her sick. Imagine what it will be like when she has to tell her made-up stories under oath.
Yeah she’s done a lot of research to lean the buzz words. But she’s no victim
@@niccolea2086she’s done a lot of research to help her understand the experiences and heal herself.
@@niccolea2086how do you know?
I believed her story until I looked further into the details…
I do think that Manson was somewhat abusive, but not to the extent that she’s saying. Not sure if you watched the Johnny Depp trail… but if you had, you would know that although he wasn’t abusive to the extent that Amber accused him of (such as raping her with a bottle and beating her up) he was still a verbally and emotionally abusive partner. I think that Mason was abusive to Evan, but he never raped her, and he certainly never “groomed” her. She was 18 when they met, also backed up by witnesses who were there. She’s just trying to make him sound worse than he is… she knows that being yelled at, cheated on, or manipulated isn’t bad enough to permanently cancel someone, so she’s throwing in extreme accusations knowing people will believe her because of his stage persona.
It was proven by multiple witnesses that Evan is lying about Manson raping her during the Heart Shaped Glasses music video. She fabricated papers from an FBI detective to convince other women to lie about him, the detective mentioned said that she never had anything to do with investigating Mason. There are multiple witnesses who have spoken out against Evan’s statements, including Rose McGowan.
If you care to listen to interviews from people who were actually there, you can check out the CZcams channel Colonel Kurtz. She is a Manson supporter, but all of her evidence and arguments are based on facts, with multiple witnesses to back them up. Colonel Kurtz has stated that she wasn’t a fan of Manson when she started covering him, and she doesn’t listen to metal music. So she has no bias in supporting him, she just sees the facts.
It’s so sad that a lot of people just “believes victims” without taking the time to investigate details. These psychopathic women use this to their advantage in these situations. I’m all about supporting victims, but only when the facts back up their statements.
A person can be groomed at any age
Even Rachel Wood is a liar.
Dr Ramani, please do more research on EWD and histrionic personality disorder.
A person with cPTSD from narcissistic abuse does not go on camera and coldly laugh right after saying she had been "raped".
What is wrong with you
Sorry Ramani, this narcissist has you fooled! She is a liar and manipulator doing what she does best.
You should really research better before having these types on.
She is a fraud!
Oh shut up 😒🙄
Neither do they falsify fbi letters. For that alone rachel should have been prosecuted. Anyone who has done any actual research on this case knows rachel is a liar. Just ask her poor ex husband. The woman needs psychological help. She's just a slightly better actress than her friend amber. But if this case ever went to court the whole world would see her for the liar she is. Its a shame that in 2024 people still believe her stories
Hey Dr. R! Where are you? Just wondering if all is OK ❤
Thank you. This is excellent and relatable.
Wow- you can’t ID a narcissist when she’s sitting right in front of you?
Have you even watched her mockumentary?
The Dr has fallen into being the perfect narc supply. Guess she's only human.
Evan Rachel is the victim here. That’s why Dr. Ramani knows, and is interviewing her. All of those that deprecate her, are the narcissists, and are projecting what they do themselves on other people.
@@JJvisityea I get that. I’ve been in a few relationships with narcissists and looking back I’m like ‘what was I thinking?’ So yea happens to the best of us
I mean isn't Red Table Talk Jada Pinkett Smith's company? So interesting partner choice.
Thank you for posting this podcast episode with Evan Rachel Wood. I'm sure this will be useful.
Lol
Very good for Manson’s attorneys, they’ll have a field day with this
All account like this are interested in is combing through interviews, in a bad faith attempt to clip things out of context or badly misrepresent information in order to service a hardened agenda they have of supporting people get away with abuse.
It’s disgusting behaviour.
@@andrewwells6323just like what you guys do with Manson 😂 the irony
@@gdoora2350 I suppose people like you have to lie like that to try and convince yourselves that you’re not just terrible people but you are and you should feel terrible.
You've gotta approach me like you'd approach a shelter dog. Wow. That's so right on.
does anyone else have a hard time not dissociating watching these?
Hey, Dr. Ramani, I would love to see you do an interview with Nina Aouilk. She has a heart wrenching story. Others have interviewed her but I’d love to see an interview done from the perspective of someone with knowledge of narcissistic abuse.
Now that’s someone who actually deserves a slot on this podcast.
Dear Evan,
We all hope you go to jail.
Sincerely,
The truth tellers
This story is exactly my story too.. almost down to every detail other than mine not being famous.. it’s so creepy how similar these people are!!!
It's is so encouraging to see this woman being called out publicly now and shown to be the liar and narcissist she is. Marilyn Manson is the victim in this hate campaign, it's great to see the lies exposed in court.
Yes that’s exactly what I went through when it happened to me 😔 I am still scared of everything he did until I escaped! 🙏❤️❤️❤️
I only made it halfway through this before going elsewhere to get more actual facts on the case. The only facts so far show Rachel to be a terrible manipulator. I feel like if there is any truth to her story she screwed herself with how she has handled this. I personally dont believe all of her claims. People with problems often get drawn to one another. This sort of thing seems to be the outcome. Im certain neither would be a great partner. Its almost cathartic to see regardless of experience and actual credentials in the field, one is not always safe from getting caught in a narcissists game. I still thank Dr Ramani for her advice videos on narcissistic abuse. Changed my life.
20:16 Excellent editing. 😂
Haha, I caught that!
And Johnny D. and Brian are best buds. Would love to hear Evan's and Dr. Ramani's view on the Depp/Heard situation.
My 2 guiding stars when it comes to narcissistic abuse knowledge in the same interview? Yes please. I've been a huge huge fan of Westworld since ep 1 and started learning about npd from Evan's insta posts. In 2020 i discovered Dr. Ramani on youtube and all of that knowledge has made me so so much more self aware and vigilant, as someone who comes from a line of narcissists, who has identified some npd traits in myself, and who was surrounded by people enabling my bad behavior most of my life, i really do feel like those videos helped me take my personal life in a completely different direction (that one video FOR narcissists was actually extremely useful and i keep notes from it on my phone that i will look at whenever i feel like i might be doing/saying something that could hurt the people i love) Thank you both!
One of those stars of yours is a black hole. Please, do a little research on this case other than just watching Evan Rachel Wood put on a performance. People deserve to see the other side of the curtain. If you choose not to, that's fine, but you can't go on blind faith. She's been caught in too many lies, and once this case goes to trial I do believe empaths like yourself are going to be sick when you realize what these women are up to. Just look at the case that recently got settled. Jane Doe (aka Chloe Black) wanted to keep Manson from even being able to testify! And now that she's settled, she doesn't want to have to testify in the Manson/Wood trial. These women wanted a trial via kangaroo Court, and now that's its getting real they want out. That's not the kind of 'activist' whose fighting for abuse victims. Also, that Phoenix Act? She did that for herself. Not for you. Not for anyone. For fame.
Evan Rachel Wood is a textbook narcissist.
Oh dear. Isn't that ironic?
Can you please interview Britney Spears and talk about her new book "The Woman In Me"?
Incredible. This is probably the closest description I’ve had to my own narcissistic partner. Evan probably had this too but when she said left in pool of tears I have been left in emergency in pool of blood and or urine.
this interview is so very important for ALL ~ specifically for woman. I am so very grateful to Evan and Dr. Ramini and (sweet and courageous) Jada and ALL the people that are involved in this one single interview. Truly grateful.
The Phoenix Act is a direct stab at Manson, it is a reference to an interview he was doing that she was present through.
It's a direct quote from him talking about how He was like a Phoenix rising from the ashes after Columbine.
It took her so many years because she made it all up, there was no sexual assault.
She and her ex Illma forged an FBI document saying that he had a case against him.
People called him Manson OR Brian, he never asked people to ONLY call him Manson.
She is the only one who has ever been in a relationship (besides those she and Illma recruited) with him, that has EVER said she was raped. Where she claims she was raped was on set in front of witnesses who speak against her entire claims.
She didn't name her perpetrators because she just wanted to be part of the "me too" movement.
One of the biggest people in the me to movement is Rose McGowan who was ALSO engaged to Manson/Brian.
She's an actress who takes on fashion and personality traits of EVERY PERSON SHE'S DATED.
She's such a fake. Sorry to say.
I myself have been a victim of a step family member.
All he ever did was adore her and talk wonderful things about her.
She even use to argue that she was the more hard-core one and he was the vanilla one. She was rebelling agsinst her mother and what she had lived through so far.
He would've done anything for her. Just go back and read /listen to interviews when they were dating and "in love."
He also insisted she be the highest paid actress in a music video.
Her trial and error has been how can I make this work. Also if you watch interviews you can see her lying.
He threatened to go to someone's house? What a load of crap.
She was young and rebelling against what she new. He encouraged her career a million over. Everyone who worked for him while they were together has talked about how awful she was.
And the things he would say that people would question are the same things people always questioned. She had found if she left that information out and kept it vague she could sell it that way as this was my abuse! Lies.
"It took her so many years because she made it all up, there was no sexual assault."
-Citation needed. He's had prior accounts of sexual assault, including 2 supported accounts of statutory rape. Adina Slotsky and his ex girlfriend Missy who was reportedly 17 when he started dating her at 23.
"People called him Manson OR Brian, he never asked people to ONLY call him Manson."
-Except for that journalist who's life he threatened for calling him Brian Warner back in the mid 90s. But sure.
"She is the only one who has ever been in a relationship (besides those she and Illma recruited) with him, that has EVER said she was raped."
-Jane Doe 2 reportedly never met Evan Rachel Wood before coming forward with her story. You can call her a side chick, but she was reportedly a groupie who joined the band for several tours between 1995 and 1999. Nancy, who he talks about in his book, was also in a relationship with Brian before the band went big, and she never reportedly met ERW. While Manson actually admits to being more abusive in his book than Nancy confirms in an interview, she does confirm having her life threatened, being manipulated and psychologically abused, and having to flee to her home to get away from Brian, out of fear for her safety.
-Also, the only evidence we have that ERW and Gore were recruiting ex girlfriends comes from a testimony from Ashley Morgan Smithiline. It would hold more weight if ERW didn't then share three years worth of e-mails, direct messages, social media posts and even voice mail messages of Smithiline stating, (and this is from one of the voicemails) "I did get a private message on my cellular telephone from Marilyn Manson’s lawyer saying, `I was wondering if we could just talk... The only reason he’d be calling me… is that he thinks I’m the weak link and he might want to settle with me to turn on the other girls and say that it was all a ruse."
-Also, it happens to be 14 women you're excluding from the conversation because ERW "recruited" them. That's actually a shit ton of exes. And we're talking about allegations from 17 women in total.
"Where she claims she was raped was on set in front of witnesses who speak against her entire claims."
-Fair enough, but we also have testimonies from people who have witnessed Manson's alleged abuse, such as Wes Borland and former personal assistant Dan Cleary who says, "Over the course of 1 year he turned her into a different person. He broke her. I didn't totally realize until later in life... He would threaten to kill her, cut her up, bury her, embarrass her to the world. Making her cry and fear him made him feel good. He would remind her that she’d be homeless without him and make fun of her learning disabled family member. Everyone in his immediate circle knows this. But everyone (including myself) is afraid to say anything because of “the code”. It's frowned upon to tell people’s private business..." He goes onto say Manson was actually kind to him personally, but he feels like he needs to speak up despite the fact he has nothing to gain from it, which he doesn't.
"One of the biggest people in the me too movement is Rose McGowan who was ALSO engaged to Manson/Brian"
-Barely relevant. Also, Manson has made a career out of utilizing rumours of his own creation. If you have several different stories coming from several different people, the real and fake begin to blend, and most people will never do the research to find out what's true and what's not. Similarly, he needs people who can give positive accounts of the person he is, so he can hide the negative things he does. With all kinds of different stories floating around, people believe what they want to believe. But the important thing to remember when it comes to Manson, is that he's a proven pathological liar. So, other people's stories hold more weight by default.
"All he ever did was adore her and talk wonderful things about her."
- In public, possibly to hide his abuse. He also admitted to emotionally abusing her during their first break up in a 2009 interview with Spin. "Every time I called her that day - I called 158 times - I took a razorblade and I cut myself on my face or on my hands... . I wanted to show her the pain she put me through. It was like, “I want you to physically see what you’ve done.” Manson would also admit the terrible song "I Wanna Kill You Like They Do in the Movies" was about fantasies he had of killing Evan Rachel Wood. "I have fantasies every day about smashing her skull in with a sledgehammer." With this information, the song can be construed as a threat.
"She even use to argue that she was the more hard-core one and he was the vanilla one. She was rebelling agsinst her mother and what she had lived through so far."
-If you look at who Evan Rachel Wood was at 18, she actually fits the profile for cult recruitment very well, which is reportedly how the Manson camp operates. (It's important to note, Manson writes in his book how he identified with Charles Manson, the cult leader, and would go on to call him a "political prisoner.") She had a distrust for the mainstream, represented in her alternative and provocative style of dress, including Lolita glasses. She was feeling spiritually unfulfilled, which is why she wanted to break away from her family and personal relationships to tour with a rich rock star. She felt uncertain, having just been thrust into the strange world of stardom, and lonely, having less time for personal friends who weren't within the Hollywood system. In contrast, Manson fits the symptoms of Narcissist and Sociopath. But this is response is long enough, so I'm just gonna move on to the next point.
"He also insisted she be the highest paid actress in a music video."
-A narcissist who'se only mean to their victim is not gonna get anywhere as far as control goes. They use a hot-cold system so that they can abuse their victim, but still make the victim want to believe they're appreciated.
"He threatened to go to someone's house? What a load of crap."
-He threatened to burn down Nancy's house. He also threatened to come to Travis Keller's house and kill him. He also put a gun in the mouth of former Spin editor Craig Marks. Both Manson and Marks admit this happened.
Sorry to info dump, but there was a lot to respond to. I'm currently researching for a video on all of this, which is why there's so much information included.
EDIT: Sorry, missed the point about the supposedly fake FBI letter. There is no available evidence that letter is fake. That was an allegation from Manson's legal team that people reported as fact without evidence. My opinion, the goal is to cloak the truth in a web of rumours.
Dr Ramani please respond to the black lash and people’s inclinations to believe victims are lying without even considering the evidence in order to avoid facing horror
It is accusers who must prove their words, he is innocent before proven guilty
@@anastasiiaasp you don’t have anything better to do than shit on victims trying to raise awareness about how the justice system doesn’t see them and the horrific things they live with? Like maybe educate or face yourself ?
@@gajoratteThere are no victims. There are accusers. History shows us that lynching is a bad thing
Have you heard of Rose McGowan? “And, of course, not everybody will be telling the truth.”
- Rose McGowan, #MeToo activist, on standing by survivors
That's a logical fallacy called circular reasoning. No one thinks a true victim is lying. Some people think ERW is not a true victim. It's okay for people to disagree.
You have helped thousands of survivors, perhaps millions as time goes on. You are the voice of sanity post-abuse.
I had to make it his idea… so relatable. Staying is a death sentence- leaving for me is terrifying because I’ve been a sahm and I’m terrified I won’t make enough for my kids… especially now.
Unbelievable the amount of flying monkeys and victim shaming. Anybody that’s survived this, sadly everything Evan is saying sounds so familiar. Don’t know her history but I do know a lot of us survivors “act out”, go through years of depression, anxiety and have substance abuse problems before we heal and find the words to express what we’ve gone through. The worst thing is that they build such a reality with other people and get ahead of you to tarnish your reputation and nobody believes you.
There are actually few of us, defenders of Marilyn Manson, we are just active. You did everything so that unfounded accusations, like those times when black people were lynched, could destroy someone's life and career, you did this with Johnny's career, with Manson's career... There is nothing wrong with her career, You are delusional. Society has changed. Now people are guilty until proven innocent.
If you knew her history you would know she is a full blown covert narc and this story, amongst many others are a complete fabrication. No one is shaming a victim, they are shaming a liar that is co-opting real victims plight for attention. I am willing to bet that the majority of people calling her out are, like myself, not MM fans, but are recovering from relationships with liars like her. We are not flying monkeys. When have you ever heard MM say anything about ERW? She is the one on a long, drawn out, multifaceted smear campaign- repeat with victim attention and fake recounts full of distancing language and shockingly spot on depictions of what people- not her- go through in these situations.
DECLARATION OF ASHLEY LINDSAY MORGAN SMITHLINE
I, Ashley Lindsay Morgan Smithline, declares as follows:
1. In November2010, I had a brief, consensual sexual relationship with Brian Warner, also known as Marilyn Manson, during a trip I took to Los Angeles from Thailand, where I was living.
2. Ten years later, I succumbed to pressure from Evan Rachel Wood and her associates to make accusations of rape and assault against Mr. Warner that were not true.
3. In 2020, I was contacted by either Ashley Walters or Illma Gore to participate in a group meeting of women who, they said, had relationships or experiences with Mr. Warner. (I knew Ms. Walters from my trip to Los Angeles in 2010. She was Mr. Warner’s assistant, and she arranged my travel. I also spent time with her during the trip.) Ultimately, I participated in at least one such group call and a meeting that was filmed in October 2020 (which I only later learned was for Phoenix Rising). From this time in 2020 through June 2021, I had many communications with Ms. Wood.
4. During my conversations with Ms. Wood, she described acts allegedly committed by Mr. Warner against Ms. Wood and other supposed victims and asked me whether the same things happened to me. I remember she asked me whether I had been, among other things, whipped, chained, tied up, branded/cut, assaulted while sleeping, beaten, or raped. She said all of these things happened to Ms. Wood and others, and that when Ms. Wood was with Mr. Warner every moment was a moment of survival. When I said, no this did not happen to me and this was not my experience, I recall being told by Ms. Wood that just because I could not remember did not necessarily mean that it did not happen.
5. While at first I knew Mr. Warner did not do these things to me, I eventually I began to question whether he actually did. On numerous occasions, I was told by Ms. Wood, Esme Bianco and others that these things happened to Ms. Wood and Ms. Bianco; asked whether the same things happened to me; and told that I may just be misremembering what happened, repressing my memories of what happened, or that my memories had not yet surfaced-which they said happened to people against whom these acts were perpetrated. I was asked whether I was repressing memories to just get through day-to-day life, and whether it was easier just to not think about what actually happened than accept reality. They also said it was important for people to come forward so that no one else gets hurt.
6. I also recall that in one of the group meetings I attended with Ms. Wood and Ms. Gore, Ms. Gore said they could arrange security for anyone who felt in danger from Mr. Warner. I recall that Ms. Bianco said during this discussion that private investigators had been parked outside of her house and probably were parked outside of mine. I also had separate conversations with Ms. Bianco during this time period in which she told me her relationship with Mr. Warner was similar to that described by Ms. Wood. She insisted that I was repressing memories like she and other supposed victims of Mr. Warner had done.
7. Eventually, I started to believe that what I was repeatedly told happened to Ms. Wood and Ms. Bianco also happened to me.
8. In or around January 2021, I attended a call on which Ms. Wood said that on a certain day she would post to her social media naming Mr. Warner as her abuser, and that we all should do the same on or around the same day. I discussed with Ms. Gore making such a statement on my Instagram page accusing Mr. Warner of abuse. Ms. Gore drafted the statement, and I gave her my password to post it. The narrative ultimately posted to my account on or around February 1, 2021 contained untrue statements about Mr. Warner, including that there was violence and non-consensual sexual activity in our brief relationship, and that I had repressed memories of the same. As another example, there was no branding or cutting experienced during the brief relationship and certainly no “Marilyn Manson” initials carved on my body.
9. On June 29, 2021, a complaint was filed in the lawsuit Ashley Lindsay Morgan Smithline v. Brian Warner et al., Case No. 2:21-cv-5289. The complaint was filed by my attorney at the time, Jay Ellwanger. Ms. Bianco told me Mr. Ellwanger was her lawyer and that I should use him. Mr. Ellwanger did not review the contents of the complaint with me before filing it and did not send me a draft of the complaint to approve before filing it. The complaint contained untrue statements about Mr. Warner, including that there was violence and non-consensual sexual activity in our brief relationship, and that I had repressed memories of the same until meeting with Ms. Wood, Ms. Gore, and others in 2020. Leading up to the filing of the complaint, I felt pressured by Mr. Ellwanger to go on a press tour, which included an interview on The View and an interview and photoshoot with People magazine. I was very uncomfortable doing this press but felt pressured to do it.
10. After the lawsuit was filed on my behalf, I fired Mr. Ellwanger, and the case was dismissed. I never received any money from Mr. Warner and am not seeking any money from him. I have no intention of refiling any lawsuit against Mr. Warner.
11. I never intended to pursue criminal charges against Mr. Warner and have no intention now of ever pursuing criminal charges, as Mr. Warner did not ever assault or abuse me.
12. Looking back, I feel I was manipulated by Ms. Wood, Ms. Gore, Ms. Bianco, and Mr. Ellwanger to spread publicly false accusations of abuse against Mr. Warner.
I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed on this 19th day of February 2023, at Los Angeles County, CA.
If you used the word flying monkeys you're doomed because you believe this narcissist of a woman.
Don't mind me, I'm just here for the comments (and the body language!) 🍿
Will be waiting for your video on this! Hope it's coming!
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Yes please Through a reaction on Evan Rachel woods body language I well watch your channel
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It's not the amateur or armchair body language analysis you seem to be thinking about. Professional behavior and statement analysts agree with all your points and will reiterate them often, especially the inability to determine if someone is lying or not.
It's OK if it's not your thing but it appears you haven't watched the videos or read the books and textbooks available these days.
Her word choices are often telling and give a lot away. Avoiding specifics or narrative and using psych terms to describe her history. Depersonalizing and deflecting a great deal. There are also many videos of her interviewing for movie promotions etc to compare to including about difficult topics. It’s not definitive but you can see stuff.
The shelter dog analogy is so keen. We see the dog being abused and we treat the dog accordingly with patience and sympathy. When a human comes out of abusive relationship, they are withheld and can't be showing their true emotions. An abused person can speak of their experiences and be completely ignored. Weird
thank you.
I believe her as a survivor of DV that also still struggles today. Bryan’s background & even admitting to his past violent nature backs Woods story. For those that are victim shaming…. I hope you never know this struggle.
Ooops,EWAN,he never forced nor WANTED,ME,to call hkm,Manson.... I always called him,"B",and he liked that,because,he like 🐝's,and you should KNOW THAT. what a petty for you not to ever notice the,observer,in and about the crowd,back then..... I was around..... And you NEVER had the chance to find me,to help you and Ilma,getting,him down... Why? Because every SINGLE thing,was about,poor little Ewan,when she did not get the most attention in the room..... Jesus Christ.... Grow UPpppp!
ERW, It’s absolutely normal you couldn’t cry for 7 years. It would have been too painful. Your heart needed 7 years of very slow minimal healing to even be able to cry. Your brain was protecting you, a defense mechanism to mechanism keep you safe until you could handle addressing what happened. I’m proud of you for doing this interview. I wish you better luck with partners in the future. You deserve someone as sweet and giving as you are.
Thankyou for sharing your experiences
When the narcissist goes onto a podcast called navigating narcissism. HG Tudor warned of this tactic, and you did zero research. You're only giving her a platform because she's a woman who comes from wealth. This is disgusting to watch and a real let down to real survivors.
It won't age well, and the fact that this was released AFTER Evan Rachel Wood was publicly exposed for her lies and narcissism, how does she explain that?
Yes !
I love this channel, and I'm learning so much about why I'm in the place im at in my life; I would have never thought it was abuse from a narc, and now I'm seeing how it works, and trying to speak up, as the flying monkeys/smear campaign has been more effective than I would have ever believed. I should have set the lies straight and now it feels too overwhelming.
However, ERW is the narc. Please, dig deeper on this person; she assumes, correctly, unfortunately, that people will believe her over Brian Warner. The same happened to Johnny Depp.
She is dangerous, and she absolutely used the me too movement and the public perception of M.Manson to effectively destroy his life.
Anyone who jumps to her defense blindly, please remember - WOMAN CAN BE NARCISSISTIC ABUSERS TOO.
Dont take my word for it - do your own research.
I remember how cringy that relationship was...
I Can’t Wait For The Next Episode!!!
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL❤
Dr. Ramani is my Hero⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️✨
Oh my God, she's so spot on in the preemptive outreach program.
You should've just told us...."us" (not me, but everyone in the flying monkey possey) as if they didn't know. Their preemptive demonstrated they well knew.
So, I think what Dr. Ramani is demonstrating here is how to be a narcissist's supply.
She's giving the narcissist everything she wants.
I'm cracking up. Twilight Zone.
Agree, Dr Ramani has not done her research. Evan is a narcissist and an abuser.
ohhh my goodness! Seriously laughed out loud at this! So true and utterly so sad
True, funny and sad.
Sadly true.
When will this podcast return?
But...where are the facts and proofs???
Why his former girlfriends haven't say anything about that. If it's true I think his past girlfriends will confirm also them being abused.
Watch the documentary 'the Phoenix rising' also listen to fragments of his book, watch video material of his shows and back stage. Do research! Who he theatrical portays is who he really as or has become, the 'under dog' that became the bully to the extreme (violent abuser to his exes and crew, fans)
Proof everywhere! Stop gaslighting or victim blaming, when they after death treats finally escaped. This is pure human trafficking
The facts and proof point to ERW being the lying narcissist that she is
Yes ,I remember telling my ex narc that I felt like I wanted to kill myself,this was due to the way he had treatment of me ,the pain I was in.He just replied with ,don't be silly and go to work.
It's insane that somebody who studies narcissists for a living can't recognize a narcissist right in front of them.
This is why I always say that somebody having a degree doesn't mean that they're intelligent.
And I spent my entire life being physically and sexually abused.
But she's a liar.
The CAR! Yes! I never made that connection! It was horrific for me!
Why do we not have laws that help people that are victims of these people? Because look w a background in psychology there is a absolute pattern that goes on here and we are over run with these people who know they can do it over and over until they go to far that one time. Then they might get caught or they get away with your murder. This is a crisis people. Look I have lived this laddies life. Not with the monster that did this to her. However mine was handsome southern man, perfectly dressed, good career, his own home. It was all an illusion. Then he told everyone horrific things. Left with no one trapped you find a way to live or die there. We need help. We need these folks to do time. Before it's to late
Dr Ramani please do more research on Even Rachel Wood.
Why did this comment get a heart by the Dr Ramani team?
Because ERW is a BIGTIME FRAUD
@@amalie.eugeniemaybe she’s learned more. Evan is a criminal liar. She forged fbi documents, coerced fake victims to testify and the whole case is a hoax.
I don't know anything about her. Is she controversial or problematic?
@@Analysis_Paralysisto say the least
her story just doesn't make sense. people have to remember this case still have not been proven. personally i believe her, and want to, but i also have followed this story for a loooong time, and her story just have so many h0les in it. also her language is interesting. this is just an observation but her saying "i wouldn't laugh at their jokes" their? he isn't non binary, and prior she said HE, but now she is describing a situation and she keeps saying "they" at 14:55 mark.. it's language you use when you want to distant yourself from a lie, because it didn't really happen to you. I am not someone who believes all women just bc they tell me a horrific emotional story, but i am also not someone who blames v!ctims for not having proof. i think in THIS case, it is important to look at ALL the stories, and evidence that evan has given over the years, and see if it all lines up, and this story just does not. But .-.... doesn't mean she is lying. however, i will need to see how the court rules it, because right now, i don't jump to believing her. the way evan talks, is like someone who knows alot on the subject, almost like a therapist or someone who is interested in the topic, but she doesn't sound like the one who has gone through it.
I believed her story until I looked further into the details…
I do think that Manson was somewhat abusive, but not to the extent that she’s saying. Not sure if you watched the Johnny Depp trail… but if you had, you would know that although he wasn’t abusive to the extent that Amber accused him of (such as raping her with a bottle and beating her up) he was still a verbally and emotionally abusive partner. I think that Mason was abusive to Evan, but he never raped her, and he certainly never “groomed” her. She was 18 when they met, also backed up by witnesses who were there. She’s just trying to make him sound worse than he is… she knows that being yelled at, cheated on, or manipulated isn’t bad enough to permanently cancel someone, so she’s throwing in extreme accusations knowing people will believe her because of his stage persona.
It was proven by multiple witnesses that Evan is lying about Manson raping her during the Heart Shaped Glasses music video. She fabricated papers from an FBI detective to convince other women to lie about him, the detective mentioned said that she never had anything to do with investigating Mason. There are multiple witnesses who have spoken out against Evan’s statements, including Rose McGowan.
If you care to listen to interviews from people who were actually there, you can check out the CZcams channel Colonel Kurtz. She is a Manson supporter, but all of her evidence and arguments are based on facts, with multiple witnesses to back them up. Colonel Kurtz has stated that she wasn’t a fan of Manson when she started covering him, and she doesn’t listen to metal music. So she has no bias in supporting him, she just sees the facts.
It’s so sad that a lot of people just “believes victims” without taking the time to investigate details. These psychopathic women use this to their advantage in these situations. I’m all about supporting victims, but only when the facts back up their statements.
I was with Evan with all my heart. These bastards have a lot of energy for controlling others and having fun. I understand it in my own way. There is something exciting about each such combination. Fascination. he was fascinated by her innocence and vice versa. There is a lot of fascination in interpersonal relationships. I think we should avoid it... And be fascinated by, for example, space😜 or ourselves. I like Evan because I like normal people. And to me she is very pretty. I understand the mentality of male deviants: they begin to understand the brutal rules of this world very early. And the rules of this world are still brutal, but in my opinion they are slowly changing... best regards, Evan.
Dr. Ramani! Have heard of Donielle Jolie Yanez??? I think she would be a great guest for Navigating Narcissism! She has CZcams channel!