Can't help but think of how many hard working people lost their life savings on his scam.... Yet he smiles proudly in all interviews, and not once did I hear him apologize. And he is still super rich, never paying a dime of the penalties meant to repay those he duped. Good movie..... Bad person.
Or, we celebrate someone who went down a very dark path, and was able to turn his life around and uses his mistakes and his current success to inspire people that no matter how bad things get, you can always fight back and come out ahead.
How can he claim the message of the film was about redemption and changing your life? The movie ends with him going into jail saying "When I went to prison, I was really really scared. For a moment I forgot that I was really rich, in a place where everything can be bought"
you clearly didn't know what that line meant. it didn't mean he was literally rich, it meant he had a wealth of knowledge on how to be successful in the right way. and him saying it was for sale meant he could teach others how to succeed as well as he did. his story is mainly a cautionary one though. the caution is telling people to do whatever they do ethically, or else they'll take a big fall like Jordan does at the end.
***** Yeah, that stuff about a wealth of knowledge is true, but you still can't really describe it as a cautionary tale when his 'big fall', amounted to about 2 years in a cushy prison and a subsequent successful career writing and talking about all that bad stuff he did. 100% worth it, I'd say
Kieran Etoria-King again, you miss the point. he was going to get 30+ years if he didn't give information about his closest friends who were also criminals, fyi, and he lost all his money and his family. even if he served little jail time, that's still a huge consequence in itself. and the stuff with the career and writing he does now came down to pure luck. it wasn't a plan he had to become rich again, it was what he did to try and make sense of his life. his plan was not to do horrible things for 5+ years and then become inadvertently rich off of those things. that's such a longshot and a terrible plan that no one would want to take the same route he took on the one in a million chance they bounce back with a public speaking career and a movie made about them. you are confusing cause and effect here big time.
***** As far as I'm concerned, his only plan ever was to get rich however possible. My point is, at least according to the film's portrayal, he didn't learn, grow or change in any way that you could call redemption. The film's ending implies that he still thinks everything he did was basically fine and that he was some kind of rogue hero. I think the film is great for its portrayal of a man with that mindset, but it's not about redemption at all lol. As for cautionary tale, I guess you could call it that, but a moral one, not a practical one. The scene where he punches his wife and puts his daughter in the car while coked up is definitely a brutal back-to-earth moment which makes you go, 'wait a minute, this guy is a dick, I don't want to be like him at all.'
Kieran EK then your core problem is you're assuming his internal motives for what his current career/morals are. you personally may not believe he's redeemed himself, but that is purely a matter of opinion. from all the interviews i've seen and from actually watching one of his seminars, i truly believe he's trying to help people succeed as highly as he did in terms of persuasion, but he has learned from his mistakes and puts the emphasis on ethical persuasion. the ending of the film did not imply that at all. again, you are taking the fact that he thought he was still rich way too literally. the ending of the film shows him in the career he's in now, which is a perfectly legal and ethical career. it is both a cautionary tale and a tale of redemption. obviously the movie portrays a Jordan Belfort who is a terrible person. the point is that he isn't that person anymore.
He said "Native australian girl Margot Robbie". She's not native to Australia. Native Australians are Aboriginals (first people), Indigenous to Australia. That's one thing allot of Americans never seem to understand about Australia.
Sure this guy is no real hero, but let's all remember that he could easily just be an ordinary bum and not pay back what he owes to his victims. He is doing what he can to pay back his victims. I believe to this date he has paid back 10 million dollars. Another 100 million to go. Better than declaring himself a deadbeat and not bringing in a change to himself.
As much money as the guy had i would be extremely surprised that he didn't hide a lot of his money somewhere waiting for him after he served 22 months in prison. I bet the cash was still warm when he got out.
Victory Myrtle You're exactly right, but I think he should still be trying to pay it while in prison. He still gets to go back to his money and life. Meanwhile, he's just paying as slow as possible to these people hoping they'll die or something.
MrDinoslav88 I think it's a bit of both your comments. He scammed people, and is a great sales man, hence you can't blame the people at all, nor call them 'stupid'. That said, he's changed, has a great story to tell, and still is a really smart dude. Take it for what it's worth
I think the $110M owed is what all this visibility is about. He isn't going to get to $110M just by doing world-wide seminars on selling ice cubes to eskimos.
The straight line is this..this guy never loses. He has not paid back his investors, perhaps he never will. He served very little jail time. He got off drugs, which he had to do to survive. Now he survives by presenting an image of bad boy clme good, in order to survive as a motivational speaker. Old sonothedouth was right. This man is the same. He is still the wolf.
He went to jail but was smart enough to stash some monies to keep him at least to the point of getting back as with the many contacts he's made over the years. Nobody is perfect we all have our stories and our own definition of success. I say good for him he's a smart dude.
Only in America can someone scam millions of dollars from people go to prison write a book and have a movie made where it seems your life is being celebrated and Leonardo DiCaprio plays you (boy did he get an upgrade!) Only in America!!!!
To all the haters on here, sorry to sound cliche but don't hate the player hate the game. You all know if you could make money like he could and have his lifestyle and get away with it you would.
white collar crime will never get you serious time,you pay your way out.the $ money goes a long way until it is gone. not one rich guy or gal will ever do long time because you have something on some one important.
Sonothesouth is right. The straight line is that this guy closes. Hes still closing, and to do that he had to present a Jesus image as if hes now saving the world by teaching people how to close
It bothers me so much that he went to jail for such a short amount of time and is still wealthy because of the crime he committed. Not only that but he has become a celebrity.
Gaston088able This movie completely glorifies senseless drug-binging, cheating, lying, deceiving, stealing, greed, being a shameless unsympathetic dick towards others, severely lacking empathy and selfcontrol, basically this movie is a celebration of psychopathy.
Ur right he was horribal however the reason that their making a movie is because his old life was an amazing story and that's all people want but your right i am in comfortable looking at him and think ing of all the shit he caused
I think if this guy had not got busted and served time; he would still be plying his original trade. Since he can't go back to that, he's totally reformed, has seen the light and never wants others to even remotely consider pursuing the path that he, unfortunately, just found himself on one morning. I can sort of hear him saying.... It was all the drugs that made me soo crazy; I would never, never had done any of that stuff had the drugs not been part of the picture...and... and I really thought that stuff...you know ...was ...you know ...like harmless... even though I was spending like...I dunno...10k a night on it. Like... what could possibly happen..you know.. like go wrong???? Hey, it's all behind me now; but what a life; gnome sayin??? Hey, how 'bout another round here for my me and my new friends!!!!
Seriously, the facts are there for everyone to see. The NASD began pursuing disciplinary actions against his company, Stratton Oakmont, in 1987, culminating in its permanent shutdown in 1995.As of January 2014, Belfort had paid only $11 million of his $110 million restitution debt. Prosecutors said that he had fled to Australia to avoid taxes and conceal his assets from his victims. Kinda hard to dispute reality.
You know how Jordan was a *big drug addict*? When he went to jail he said that his room mate was a _pot head_ ,right? What if Jordan kept getting high while he was in jail without getting away without? Make sense?
well anybody can do it as long as they have enough capital. The movie may make his life seem very "cool" but he eventually got caught and went to jail ! So if people wanna follow this "hero" they are very much welcome to go to jail as well... not so heroic if you ask me
This is a really bad segment, all his 'earnings' were because of fraud and bump and dump stock schemes. They never said anything about this which now leads a new generation of people to do the same things...now that it's a movie it's even worse, making him into a hero,.
He is one of the smoothest talkers I've seen.
I idolise him in the way he sells but not what he sells.......ooooooh philosophical
Why do they treat him like a bloody hero? People like this has ruined the life of millions of people. We live in a shitty world.
Can't help but think of how many hard working people lost their life savings on his scam.... Yet he smiles proudly in all interviews, and not once did I hear him apologize. And he is still super rich, never paying a dime of the penalties meant to repay those he duped. Good movie..... Bad person.
He has actually payed back 13.2 million dollars back to his victims so far and more to come
Sayuj Shah Out of 110 million though...
dwight baldwin investing money is a risk and idiots shouldn't bet their life savings it works both ways tbh
Or, we celebrate someone who went down a very dark path, and was able to turn his life around and uses his mistakes and his current success to inspire people that no matter how bad things get, you can always fight back and come out ahead.
How can he claim the message of the film was about redemption and changing your life? The movie ends with him going into jail saying "When I went to prison, I was really really scared. For a moment I forgot that I was really rich, in a place where everything can be bought"
you clearly didn't know what that line meant. it didn't mean he was literally rich, it meant he had a wealth of knowledge on how to be successful in the right way. and him saying it was for sale meant he could teach others how to succeed as well as he did. his story is mainly a cautionary one though. the caution is telling people to do whatever they do ethically, or else they'll take a big fall like Jordan does at the end.
***** Yeah, that stuff about a wealth of knowledge is true, but you still can't really describe it as a cautionary tale when his 'big fall', amounted to about 2 years in a cushy prison and a subsequent successful career writing and talking about all that bad stuff he did. 100% worth it, I'd say
Kieran Etoria-King again, you miss the point. he was going to get 30+ years if he didn't give information about his closest friends who were also criminals, fyi, and he lost all his money and his family. even if he served little jail time, that's still a huge consequence in itself. and the stuff with the career and writing he does now came down to pure luck. it wasn't a plan he had to become rich again, it was what he did to try and make sense of his life. his plan was not to do horrible things for 5+ years and then become inadvertently rich off of those things. that's such a longshot and a terrible plan that no one would want to take the same route he took on the one in a million chance they bounce back with a public speaking career and a movie made about them. you are confusing cause and effect here big time.
***** As far as I'm concerned, his only plan ever was to get rich however possible. My point is, at least according to the film's portrayal, he didn't learn, grow or change in any way that you could call redemption. The film's ending implies that he still thinks everything he did was basically fine and that he was some kind of rogue hero.
I think the film is great for its portrayal of a man with that mindset, but it's not about redemption at all lol.
As for cautionary tale, I guess you could call it that, but a moral one, not a practical one. The scene where he punches his wife and puts his daughter in the car while coked up is definitely a brutal back-to-earth moment which makes you go, 'wait a minute, this guy is a dick, I don't want to be like him at all.'
Kieran EK then your core problem is you're assuming his internal motives for what his current career/morals are. you personally may not believe he's redeemed himself, but that is purely a matter of opinion. from all the interviews i've seen and from actually watching one of his seminars, i truly believe he's trying to help people succeed as highly as he did in terms of persuasion, but he has learned from his mistakes and puts the emphasis on ethical persuasion. the ending of the film did not imply that at all. again, you are taking the fact that he thought he was still rich way too literally. the ending of the film shows him in the career he's in now, which is a perfectly legal and ethical career. it is both a cautionary tale and a tale of redemption. obviously the movie portrays a Jordan Belfort who is a terrible person. the point is that he isn't that person anymore.
He said "Native australian girl Margot Robbie". She's not native to Australia. Native Australians are Aboriginals (first people), Indigenous to Australia. That's one thing allot of Americans never seem to understand about Australia.
yeah - he wrote two books. "The Wolf of Wall Street" and "Catching the Wolf of Wall Street" .. both pretty entertaining.
Sure this guy is no real hero, but let's all remember that he could easily just be an ordinary bum and not pay back what he owes to his victims. He is doing what he can to pay back his victims. I believe to this date he has paid back 10 million dollars. Another 100 million to go. Better than declaring himself a deadbeat and not bringing in a change to himself.
As much money as the guy had i would be extremely surprised that he didn't hide a lot of his money somewhere waiting for him after he served 22 months in prison. I bet the cash was still warm when he got out.
He is still paying restitution to all the people he screwed over, as he should.
Victory Myrtle You're exactly right, but I think he should still be trying to pay it while in prison. He still gets to go back to his money and life. Meanwhile, he's just paying as slow as possible to these people hoping they'll die or something.
Legend
Legend? A shameless scammer he is! and scumbag!
guy has a crazy and interesting story, but he definitely ruined alot of innocent peoples lives... and still owes a ton of money as well.
those innocent people wanted to make money, nobody stole their money they are just stupid
MrDinoslav88 I think it's a bit of both your comments. He scammed people, and is a great sales man, hence you can't blame the people at all, nor call them 'stupid'. That said, he's changed, has a great story to tell, and still is a really smart dude.
Take it for what it's worth
MrDinoslav88 i know he fed off their greed-still wrong tho
I think the $110M owed is what all this visibility is about. He isn't going to get to $110M just by doing world-wide seminars on selling ice cubes to eskimos.
The straight line is this..this guy never loses. He has not paid back his investors, perhaps he never will. He served very little jail time. He got off drugs, which he had to do to survive. Now he survives by presenting an image of bad boy clme good, in order to survive as a motivational speaker. Old sonothedouth was right. This man is the same. He is still the wolf.
when he said the puppy, Jordan's face turned pissed lol
He went to jail but was smart enough to stash some monies to keep him at least to the point of getting back as with the many contacts he's made over the years. Nobody is perfect we all have our stories and our own definition of success. I say good for him he's a smart dude.
After seeing the movie I was like boy is this guy despicable and greedy but hearing him talk he is so likable, I don't know why.
Great video
He has got so unbelievably lucky: with the jail sentence, still living (if he did as many drugs as he says) and to still be well off now
Hey Jordon maybe the message of the movie should be don't fuckn steal from people and you won't ruin your life
SO honest!
I wish this dude was my friend back when he was rich
WOW he sounds just like Tom Hanks!!
I can't decide if I like him
Only in America can someone scam millions of dollars from people go to prison write a book and have a movie made where it seems your life is being celebrated and Leonardo DiCaprio plays you (boy did he get an upgrade!) Only in America!!!!
They're like "get the fuck off our show."
And so on...
To all the haters on here, sorry to sound cliche but don't hate the player hate the game. You all know if you could make money like he could and have his lifestyle and get away with it you would.
*****
everyone has their price
Fucking right I would! inb4 white knights
white collar crime will never get you serious time,you pay your way out.the $ money goes a long way until it is gone. not one rich guy or gal will ever do long time because you have something on some one important.
I'm glad they did the movie--Otherwise I don't think I would have given Jordon a second thought. --the comeback kid--good on you!
The beast of wall street
I don't drink.............alot HAHAHAH !! What a clown
Wow what a insane life he's had
He seems like a awesome guy but I still think about all those people who lost all their money
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Yeah he owns a medicine company, and a motivational speaker.. really rich, drives a rolls royce to this date haha
Sonothesouth is right. The straight line is that this guy closes. Hes still closing, and to do that he had to present a Jesus image as if hes now saving the world by teaching people how to close
It bothers me so much that he went to jail for such a short amount of time and is still wealthy because of the crime he committed. Not only that but he has become a celebrity.
the fact that this bothers you bothers me:/
+Dan Theman I'm not sure why people like you would see a criminal as a hero.
at least he served time, unlike other scammers in the finance, stock industry
How can i personally contact Jordan??
brad pitt wouldn't have got it done nearly as leo He killed it!
Why is this guy being celebrated?
Alpha, that's the wrong question you're asking. You should be asking, " Why aren't I being celebrated?"
You think the film celebrates the guy???
Gaston088able to be honest, it really does. It doesn't claim anything he did was good, but it does make it all seem really, really cool and desirable
Gaston088able This movie completely glorifies senseless drug-binging, cheating, lying, deceiving, stealing, greed, being a shameless unsympathetic dick towards others, severely lacking empathy and selfcontrol, basically this movie is a celebration of psychopathy.
mortenrobinson And that's what makes it a good movie right?
If you read his book you realize what an asshole he actually was towards his own 'followers', which is clearly missing in the movie.
a boss being an asshole to his employees is nothing new
This is gross - we celebrate someone that stole 200 million from hard working people.
This movie is Wall Street for the 21st Century. Quite sad really.
Ur right he was horribal however the reason that their making a movie is because his old life was an amazing story and that's all people want but your right i am in comfortable looking at him and think ing of all the shit he caused
great life, great guy :)))
sarcasam???
projectmayhem79 no, why? I really like him
MrDinoslav88 cus he screwd over alot of people to make hhis money
you always have to do that in order to earn big bucks, unless you want to be poor
MrDinoslav88 theres plenty of legitimate buisnesses and Business men who never screwed anyone over to get ahead in life
Money can't buy class - case and point. You can still see the sleeeeeze on this guy. Gross
yeah, he's still insanely rich.
Fun guy. But a total sociopath. Like all my drinking buddies.
look up the definitions for bump and dump and pump and dump. lol
That fucking movie didn't do that!
he lost his self respect after he lost his money? I thought he lost it when he lied to all the people to make profits
If the universe chooses our demise I welcome it we are all destined to die...But how do you live your life..
actually he wrote two
I think if this guy had not got busted and served time; he would still be plying his original trade. Since he can't go back to that, he's totally reformed, has seen the light and never wants others to even remotely consider pursuing the path that he, unfortunately, just found himself on one morning. I can sort of hear him saying.... It was all the drugs that made me soo crazy; I would never, never had done any of that stuff had the drugs not been part of the picture...and... and I really thought that stuff...you know ...was ...you know ...like harmless... even though I was spending like...I dunno...10k a night on it. Like... what could possibly happen..you know.. like go wrong???? Hey, it's all behind me now; but what a life; gnome sayin??? Hey, how 'bout another round here for my me and my new friends!!!!
Wrong. He left his own company 2 years prior to being indicted.
Seriously, the facts are there for everyone to see. The NASD began pursuing disciplinary actions against his company, Stratton Oakmont, in 1987, culminating in its permanent shutdown in 1995.As of January 2014, Belfort had paid only $11 million of his $110 million restitution debt. Prosecutors said that he had fled to Australia to avoid taxes and conceal his assets from his victims. Kinda hard to dispute reality.
i think someone is really over stating their sobriety .. usually means there's a problem .
Believe in those kind of situation one's want to be sure no one sees it ;)
I don't drink... "a lot". He still drinks heavily.
You know how Jordan was a *big drug addict*? When he went to jail he said that his room mate was a _pot head_ ,right? What if Jordan kept getting high while he was in jail without getting away without? Make sense?
Hardest Rampage Not trying to say he smokes or anything... Get me? Just a hypothetical, curious question.
well anybody can do it as long as they have enough capital. The movie may make his life seem very "cool" but he eventually got caught and went to jail ! So if people wanna follow this "hero" they are very much welcome to go to jail as well... not so heroic if you ask me
You mate don't understand how the world economy, or rather the world, works...
cocaine, the fast track to success
and he's still giving Seminars all over and making more millions. Something is not right here!
That's how good he is
This is a really bad segment, all his 'earnings' were because of fraud and bump and dump stock schemes. They never said anything about this which now leads a new generation of people to do the same things...now that it's a movie it's even worse, making him into a hero,.
Is he rich now?
Only 22 months at a resort lol. what a great trade off lol and still rich