The Argonian Invasion of Morrowind, The Accession War - The Elder Scrolls Lore [Remastered]
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The rituals in the crater or vivec was most likely the Argonians celebrating the destruction of the city lol.
I think maybe the Argonian's were perhaps praising the crater as thanks to the Meteor? Like a "You helped weaken our enemy, for this we thank you" ? I can see maybe believing the hist or Sithis sent them a chance at revenge.
Idk, I'm spit balling but thought I'd share anyway
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Eruption had no effect on continental. Argonians would invade anyway. They already won thousands battles against dunmers, ayeleids etc in the past. Dunmer are shitty weaklings. Saxhleel can beat daedra. An-Xileel indaved Morrowind not because of revenge. The native argonians of deep Blackmarsh are argonians from major tribes that never heard about slavery and don't care about dunmer. They invaded cause they can.
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I was expecting some kind of reference to the Pride of Tel Vos. The name of the ship, combined with the contents of Lymdrenn Tenvanni's Journal strongly indicate that House Telvanni suffered immense losses against the Argonians, to the point that Lymdrenn believed that House Telvanni had fallen. Now clearly the Telvanni are still around, but for her to come to that conclusion shows that the Telvanni must have suffered a lot.
Indeed. If i'm not wrong, Neloth says in Dragonborn that House Telvanni still exists but no longer controls territories in mainland Morrowind anymore (while they controlled all North-East Morrowind before the 4th era), so they only controls settlements in Solstheim, possibly a few remenants in tiny islands near Vvardenfel, and Port Telvanni. I suppose the former Telvanni land on the peninsula was given to House Dres since they're still in the great concil, as conpensation for the war, and/or to House Indril/New Temple
Sound a lot like some much desrved karma for the dark elves
Dunmer weren't expecting retribution for their atrocities. But good lord
- imagine, the race you enslaved conquers parts of your land.
- you stop them from taking remaining land only for the volcano to erupt and destroying the rest of it and covering it in ash
- the capital gets hit by a meteor after a trinity of gods just peaces out and straight up leaves
I'd say overkill, but then again, slavers aren't really sympathetic people, altbough this is something more deserving for the Thalmor
I would agree with you except for that last part about the Thalmor. They were instigated to becoming the monster that they are today due to the monster that was the Numidium with Tiber septim at the helm. Ol Tiber knew he couldn't invade them without a Divine tier Weapon. So imagine unprovoked your lands and people are but slaughtered by a Kaiju buster and you still remember that vividly because of your long life.
It's kind of the other way around; Baar Dau crashed first, then Red Mountain erupted, and only then did the An-Xileel invade.
Vivec City also wasn't the capital of Morrowind - Mournhold was.
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True. Hell, even the Khajit were hit hard by the invading Imperials.
Crazy how people see Thalmor=Altmer, even though they're a Radical group even among their own kind, that has people, Altmer Bosmer and Khajit alike, who don't agree with all the Thalmor methods. (Still, the Thalmor have supporters as well, for various reasons).
And the Empire isn't some holy, perfect organization either, but hey, it's the Propaganda and all that.
It's cool when Tiber Septim committed a large scale massacre on Mer defending themselves, but not when the Thalmor (supposedly) commit war crimes in the Imperial City... very hypocritical
@@LandStrider23 It was hardly unprovoked, the Dominion struck against the Empire first.
@@dutchpatriot17 That and it wasn't like the Empire respected all races and they prospered. The Empire was in great position in the age that the Oblivion game is set. Heck the regent is a HIGH ELF. The Thalmor, however, don't tolerate any races other than High Elves. They remind me so much of the Romulans from Star Trek .
It’s a shame there is very little lore on this and 90% of this had to be speculation
The Accession War is quite the "reverse card" war; not to dissimilar to the Reconquista of the 15th century or the various Latin American Independence wars in the 19th.
It's also a fitting name as the Argonians are accessing to a point of power & influence they haven't seen since the Merethic era more than 4000 years prior. A shame what happened to House Hlaalu; hopefully the Empire can help them one day accessed themselves.
Empire died with the Septims. The White Gold Concordat was the funeral.
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Telvannis are still my n'wahs tho
I postulate that some border towns and refugee camps on the Morrorwind Cyrodiil border gets minimal and minor tax and aid relationship from the empire. While the rest of Morrorwind is virtually independent. Border towns and hamlets probably still rely on very minor imperial patrols on a small strip of the border.
I've often wondered what happened to the ruling family of Cheydinhal (Indarys), who had Hlaalu connections. They might have taken in lots of refugees. Or maybe they lost power when Hlaalu did.
@@EJDubbz it's hard to say. All I postulated was the more east you go into Morrorwind the less control. The more border close you are the more control.
@@EJDubbz the Indorys were Cyrodiilic Counts with a feudal line of succession, this makes their rule independent from the might of their House in Morrowind
There is a massive mountain range for most of the border.
@@PyrusFlameborn or they are the only place wher ebing of that house have some cinificance now
I also do recall that there were reports of argonian raiding parties coming as far as Solstheim. But I might be wrong and don't remember the exact sources
That's from the 'History of Raven Rock volume 3' book. But it didn't happen during the Accession war, it happened year 150, so House Redoran already fought off the Argonians in the mainland over a century before a small force of Argonians came to Solstheim to cause havoc (but failed because House Redoran was able to fend them off)
That seems pretty strange to me just from a strategic perspective; a (presumably) numerically inferior, seaborne force invading terrain they aren't accustomed to. Maybe it was some kind of fanatical suicide mission... or maybe they were just foolish and overconfident, drunk on the thrill of previous victories.
Seeing that map with the possible movements of the war makes me wish there was an Elder Scrolls mod for Warband.
Play as the Last Dragonborn, rebel agaisnt the lords create your own Kingdom and/or Empire.
Not for warband, but there is one for total war medievil 2.
Also both Crusader Kings 2 and Europa Universalis 4 have very well-made Elder Scrolls mods that might be what you're looking for.
Elder Kings 2 exist
A CK3 mod called Elder Kings 2. You play as a leader in the second era and can make your own too. Not the same but might fill that role
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My favorite fictional war besides WW1
I wonder if the Argonians will invade the swamp lands of Cyrodill too, like Leyawin and Blackwood
They probably wouldnt dare tbh, also no reason to be hostile to the empire
There’s really no reason to. The only reason they invaded the Dunmer in the first place was for all the years they enslaved them.
I doubt it, because another huge factor that would have triggered the Argonian invasion is the Empire withdrawing their troops from Morrowind during the Oblivion Crisis, which both weakened Morrowind but also made it an independent nation in everything but name. Everyone in Morrowind hated the Empire for abandoning them, and the Empire didn't have the troops left to garrison Morrowind. The Argonians knew that the Empire would view their invasion as a tactical benefit, given it would remind Morrowind why being in the Empire has some perks (supposedly), while not killing a single imperial soldier.
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i somehow feel that if the Khajiit joined with the Argonians in this war it would have been a far bigger war since the Khajiits were also suffered from the dark elfs.
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Would love if Bethesda delves deeper about this idk everytime I hear about it in skyrim I just wonder what going on currently and what was the catalyst of the war and the battles fought the tactics
good meme at the end lol. The argonians are such a strange people.
What if the ritual in vivec created the ash spawn use the dead dunmer against the living?
Are there any dates as to when these battles took place and when the war ended as a whole. Also I think I remember something about a failed Argonian invasion of Solstheim, I don't remember the specifics however.
That's from the book 'History of Raven Rock volume 3'. It was a small force of Argonians that came to cause havoc but failed because the Redoran guard were able to stop them
Total Argonian Death
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Was there no effort by the Imperial Legions to try to stop the war since both regions were part of the Empire?
The Empire pulled most of it's armed forces out of Morrowind during the Oblivion Crisis so no Legions there to stop anyone. Some Lore books like Rising Threat Vol.3 Mention that the effects of the Red Year reached as far as Blackmarsh and infrastructure was heavily damaged which prevented Imperial Forces on the border and within Blackmarsh to intervene.
@@Pr0m3th3us The Legions being recalled during the Oblivion Crisis is Redoran propaganda.
@@dutchpatriot17 I agree the thing is I can't really find any other sources that aren't Redoran propaganda.
@@Pr0m3th3us There is not enough thought going into it. To me the Great War is a little silly in that the Aldemari Dominion should not be strong enough to take on the Empire. The Empire is effectively Cyrodil, Skyrim, and the Daggerfall Covenant from ESO combined. No way the Aldemari Dominion has the manpower or resources to take on all of that. I write it off as the Dominion/Thalmor had the element of surprise and caught the Empire off-guard.
Before accession war an xileel(argonian political and military faction, which started accsession war burned down all emperial sanctuaries and spread anti imperial propaganda. That was all before accession war so black marsh was not under empire’ s control.
What happened to the Telvanni after the war?
Neloth still calls it a great house
Hang on so by skyrim are the Argonians in control of the south of Morrowind up to the coast across from Vardenfell and across to Vivec city or are they driven back to the Morrowinds southern border bordering swamps?
Yes they own the south
Have the Thalmor ally themselves with the Argonians already?
Prob not bc their goals are different in many ways
I’d imagine it would be difficult even if their goals aligned do to the Kahjit being apart of the Aldmeri Dominion, Kahjit and Argonians do not get along either.
I doubt it, no reason too, as long as they stay out of each other's way
Thx for responding to me. It will be unwise for the Thalmor to become an enemy to the Argonians
@@dairydregone7146 Not allying with them does not necessitate that they become enemies with them. In fact the Aldmeri Dominion trying to ally with them would cause more problems then benefits. Considering it would push the Dunmer to ally with the human nations against them. Also allying with the Argonians would cause infighting, as stated before the Argonians and Kahjit do not get along. Best strategy is to leave them be.
morrowind and argonia look like a lady dancin i will never see them the same way
Where was the Nerevarine when We needed Him the most
Akavir
i mean the prophecy is fulfilled redoran is in control and made morrowind go to its roots
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1:50 For what reason would they close the gates? Were they afraid of argonian immigration? 0_0
Oh no argoniands are going to squat all over the place. :D
Essentially, argonians were warned and were so effective at counter invasion, dagon essentially had to stop to avoid getting overwhelmed
@@Ssekkaha overwhelmed how? Is like the dremora are immortal. What are the Argonians going to do in oblivion??? Nible on some daedric tower? :D
Man they have immortal warriors and unlimited numbers what can we do? Overwhelm them! x_x
@@malekkuznecky613 reforming in Chaotic Creatia isn't a instant thing. It can take a while, and there isn't a unlimited amount of Daedra especially during the invasion
Yes, eventually without the champion of cyrodiil they could have shifted more focus into black marsh, but with the forces that attacked Black Marsh they were held back at that time.
sad
I always curious, i know if Argonian is resist againts poison so spread poison in the swamp water is useless, then what about Electrical magic? Telvani have great wizard so cast electrical magic to the swamp area it will not hard is'nt? Is this the plot hole from the writer and they're forgot about this or i Miss something?😂
Also, I recall the Empire intervened and sent a legion to force end of the war ... Not sure ..
People will say that this was the Dunmer's biggest L, but i couldnt disagree more. This is secretly a win, specifically for the best House: Redoran.
The false gods death led to the revival of the true tribunal, the oblivion gates showed the Dunmer that reliance on the empire was stupid as per the Hlaalu's demilitarition of morrowind for empire soldiers(redoran was right again), Redoran was able to push back the forces of oblivion effortlessly and single handedly despite being demilitarized, and Redoran was able to stop and push back with ease the Argonians who were hyped up on hist juice.
Lastly, Redoran became the sole house of Morrowind, it was their destiny to return to their roots and drive out the mongrel dogs and the imperial worship. Morrowind will be reforged to what it should be, no dependency on slaves, no imperial dogma, a true dunmer society.
Look upon whose left in morrowind, Hlaalu act as parasites in skyrim, the only Telvanni left is hardly associated with his more twisted and corrupt kin, and Redoran who are rebuilding morrowind.
"drive out the Empire"
Lol, good luck with that. Morrowind is finished, a bombed-out husk completely devoid of its former "glory". House Redoran can have fun ruling over the ash-strewn wasteland, no one else has any reason to care about it.
imperial legion propaganda
This is some stupid lore shit. 🤣