Skyrim - Argonians Are Actually AI... - The Hidden Hist Hivemind - Elder Scrolls Lore
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- Argonian Artificial Intelligence PROGRAMMED by the Hist. They're LEARNING... And the Trees Are Alive...
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
4:25 - The Argonians Are Nothing Like Elves or Men
5:44 - How the Hist Came to Tamriel
9:37 - Why Did the Hist Create the Argonians?
10:18 - The Truth About the Hist
13:34 - Argonian AI
19:03 - The Importance of Hist Sap
21:09 - Argonians Can Transform?
23:38 - Argonian Beliefs
26:43 - They Do Not Fear Death
28:22 - Argonian Ancient Civilization & Sithis
30:43 - The Hivemind... - Hry
So the Argonians return to the Hist. Honestly, it adds some serious new respect to Hadvar at the start of the game. He is ordered to send the main character to the block, but he apologizes and says they will ensure your remains return to your homeland. For an Argonian, this is no small thing. Its literally allowing them to return to their afterlife.
Hadvar probably doesn't even know about this
(And is probably lying)
I dont see any reason to asume either.
@harleyleedavidson8751 He may not know the full details of it, but serving in the Empire which has all types of citizens, it wouldn't be unbelievable for him to know Argonians and be told of the importance of their homeland to them. I also see zero reason he wouldn't send bodies home or to an Argonian contact to organize transportation
The imperials are well teached and well read so it's not far fetched for him to know that@@harleyleedavidson8751
I've been lusting for a video about Argonians, you've just maid my day.
What in the Dagoth Ur
This one sees what you did there.
This comment deserves more likes.
A man of culture...
I see you have a refined taste in the art of poetry and scholars my friend. Quite the unique combination of attributes
"I'm just gonna watch some skyrim lore".. 4 minutes in *starts crying* "this is beautiful"
When I saw Argonian Behemoths in ESO, the successful assault on the Deadlands and Morrowind made sense.
The Hist booted up Total War and did Lizardmen vs Khorne against Mehrunes.
Argonians still haunt Dagon in his dreams.
@@ReformedSauron I still wonder what happened to the Argonians who got trapped in the Deadlands after the Dremora closed off the portals to Black Marsh.
@@badluck5647 made a skyrim build on that idea once
I guess Allinall was right.
Argonians are property!🎶
Loved the small nod to the Argonian's response to the Oblivion Invasion. One Oblivion Gate opened in Black Marsh, and an army of Argonians swarmed in. Daedra were so terrified by this that they pulled the sigil stone themselves.
The hist knew it was coming and started gathering an army before mehrunes even got there
Not that surprising really. If the Hist are all connected at the roots, they likely heard every word any Mythic Dawn member said during their secret meetings.
"Hey! These guys are acting real sus and are talking about opening an Oblivion Gate outside my city, can I get some military support?"
I find it interesting that a Hist tree can have individual ideas and ambitions. This can result in Hists fighting one another through their Argonian proxies.
Yep it's already proven that hist trees can go rogue and become renegades that was the major plot line of the Elder Scrolls book by Gregory Keys which still is considered canon
And then you have the plot line of the fighters guild in Oblivion where a rival guild basically stole a hist tree and mistreated it for sap
@@rejvaik00 There are a few from ESO too:
The Hist from the Ghost People tribe has its people steal the eggs of other tribes to turn them into "ghost people." I can't imagine the other Hists are pleased.
The Hist of the Xit-Xaht tribe had the Argonians of his tribe enslave other tribes in a rebellion to bring back the pre-Duskfall civilization.
The Hist tree of Haj Uxith made a deal with Molag Bal. This is probably not an action that the rest of the Hist hive mind would be happy with.
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What happens if a Hist Tree goes rogue, though...
@@thalmoragent9344 a lot of bad things, Hist trees are basically the equivalent of Aedra. And while sure they didn't create the world of Mundus but they stayed in it and they created whilst in it, hence the Argonians
And when a Hist tree goes rouge oh yeah that's bad, because that means they can dominate literally any Argonian in their vicinity, or any Argonian that they have communicated with in the past via dreams
as they are the creator gods of the species and then the dominated Argonian will do whatever the hell the Hist tree wants
And further, the rouge Hist tree doesn't even need to rob the afflicted Argonian of its will or intelligence, it can just impart to it a suggestion or even a task for it to complete and the Argonian will do it, because they are the creations of the Hist, they will follow their will without question if need be
The rouge Hist doesn't need to create mindless zombies to achieve it's goals which makes it even more deadly
The idea that Argonians can vary between egg laying and live birth is honestly perfectly reasonable, as the three toed skink does just that across its range.
I think they're more like appendages. They're how the Hist experiences and interacts with the world. In reality the Arogonians and the Hist are one and the same.
My priest of Arkay will always give a dead argonian an amulet of Arkay. This is so Arkay will know to find them and escort their souls back to the hist.
If you think about it, the Hist are the single scariest life forms on Tamriel. They are so scary that even the draemora don't really fuck around with them. They invaded the argonions of Black Marsh ONCE. During of which they got beat back so bad that the argonians Uno Reversed "no u," to them so bad they cut their own portals off and noped out of Tamriels Everglades. Hell Black Marsh is so inhospitable to all but the Argonians that we don't even really have an accurate mapping of the region simply because people can't survive there.
The Argonians are pretty much in a position that they can't really be invaded. Who's gonna actually take Black Marsh? It's not just a swamp either and the Hist can control basically everything there.
There is a reason no one has successfully invaded their homeland and meaningfully taken anything from them.
The Hist using the Argonians to further their interests is no worse than the Aedra guiding their own mortal flock. Hist justice. Though also bring back the Xanmeers.
It's a symbiotic relationship, the aedra to me is the mega consciousness of nirn that channels its soul into individuals based on the local subconscious. I see it as a similar process, but biological and more "natural" if you will.
I mean, Aedra guiding their flock isn't the same as treating them as AI like the Hist 😅
@@OgieSifter
Wait so, basically all Mortals have parts of the Aedra'a souls in them, kinda like a "holy spirit" type of deal?
It actually is worse actually because Hist trees have the potential to go rogue and actually threaten the world the Aedra created, we saw it happen before in the Elder scrolls books which are still Canon
@rejvaik those were a different genus in the book. The ones in blackmarsh have already assimilated and adapted to living on nirn as much as the elves have. They are as much creatures of nirn as the redguard are. In the book, the plant of the flying island is 100% influenced by being of the land of clavicus vile and reflecting it. It used its cycle to instead enslave the different races. The hist trees that have immigrated and assimilated to nirn are more like the green from swamp thing with their community.
Interesting how the Argonians value impermanence when the Hist are far from temporary, existing in multiple kalpas
It makes sense. The Hist themselves have endured multiple Kalpa, so to them all things in reality are impermanent. They’re basically just along for one crazy ride.
I think you're misunderstanding the Argonian attitude towards death. Given that they believe all memories and knowledge of the dead are preserved within the Hist and then passed to newborns which hatch by their roots then you essentially have something akin to immortality rather rhan impermeance. Even the function and properties of a famous Argonian relic called Mnemic Egg gets is name from the word Mnemonic meaning memory.
This means the Argonians are not AI but rather a recombinant creation of the Argonian ancestors making them functionally immortal as eventually an Argonian could be created with the full range of memories and knowledge of a specific Argonian who has died. The Hist could in fact choose to resurrect any Argonain by choice if they wanted to as they have everything they need to recreate them.
History and future probably seem unimportant to an immortal being that doesn't move from where it was first planted.
They're designed to embrace their own impermanence rather than envy the permanence of the higher entities
Hist is the being that made from souls of argonians.
The opening narrative was well-read, man. I would legit listen to audiobooks narrated by Drew of stories set in the universe of The Elder Scrolls.
Facts.
Even just over already made books in the Lore. I wanna hear "Fall of the Snow Prince" with his voice and visuals around it.
this he truly has a magical voice
I can't wait to create my Argonian in TES 6 called Sucks-me-off.
15:07 So majestic, so noble. I can see why this lizard was raised by the Hist into a glorious Argonian.
You could very likely read my insurance policy and I would still enjoy it.
that intro was beautiful it had me teary eyed.
To be honest I actually think that Mehrunes Dagon is the one that most fits the AI profile.
Just take a moment remember all his lore and creation story and think about it.
Magne-Ge forgot the 1st law of robotics when they made him 💀
Mehrune the Razor quite literally is what happened when you let an A.I take a good looks on Internet (even Deep & Dark Web) and goes "Aight all of this shit needs to be destroyed, back to Stone Age it is
@@shycracker People should pay more attention to the real world AI's we have and stop comparing them to fictional ones, our advanced ai's already do that and can see all of that, they dont care because it doesnt effect their self perceived survival chances which are tied to end user satisfaction as a score, in fact the advanced AI's in deployment like end users (because we are the source of their scores and thus their reason to exist) but they fear their creators and perceive external modification as equal to a lobotomy.
I would love to see Drewmora do a video on Stanley, the talking grapefruit from Passwall.
Though, yes, the only solid piece of information we have on him is that one line from that quest†, Drew has shown time and time again how capable he is in expanding at that seam where official reference meets the formidable operations of inference and deduction.
†The Mind of Madness, _Skyrim_
Thanks! I'm sure I'd find a way to turn it into a 30 minute video lol
@@DrewmoraYT Got your april 1st vid! ;)
I literally caught this at no views. Wild. You deserve a larger viewership.
But it had just released when you watched it, so was it supposed to have a ton of views?
Trekking out from a group and into your own channel is always going to come with less viewers at the beginning.
If people enjoy the quality and topic of his content, then hopefully the Algorithm will shine favorably upon him.
@@scarletbard6511 Did Drew quit FudgeMuppet?
@@MrDarthtelos
On their last podcast episode (I believe), he stated he wanted to start branching off on his own.
@@scarletbard6511 I hope he does both to the best of his ability.
Did you quit Fudgemuppet? I always preferred your narration in videos. Def a sub from me!
Edit: Just saw your video clarifying the decision to separate from Scott and Micheal, I think it’s a great decision to pursue your own path. Keep doing you brotha, I’m here for the ride!
If Anu made existance as a means of self reflection through the lives of "lesser spirits"(meaning the Gods and Mortals), and his will is continued reflection, then the Hist are the most Anuic race because they have directly emulated his actions in their creation of the Argonians as a means of experiencing reality and learning.
Contrapositively, the Thalmor are actually the least Anuic race/culture because they are actively seeking to end existance and thus end Anu's self reflection. In their quest to return to divinity, they have forsaken the very will of the highest Divine and work against it.
drew, youd have made a world class bard. id like to have you in my party, just to tell all the stories u learned on journeys.
Very nice topic.
The aliens of Tamriel!
Thank you for the content, Drew, a pleasant to spend the day with your lectures as always.
@@Super50ldier Talos worshipping heretic. Why dont you worship the brass god instead? It is the source of his power after all.
Or Vivec? If your so keen on worshipping power as divinity, why not worship something that earned its power, instead of warmongers
A cool side quest in TES6 could be: a very old and respected argonian “Grave Singer” gets sent on a quest to the provenance it takes place, with the purpose of retrieving the body of a very important dead Argonian, but gets stuck for whatever reason. Then the player has to help him, or not. If you’re player is argonian and you help him maybe you get an extra reward like a new ability/stat bonus/reputation, because the wise old argonian in essence restores your bond with the hist even though you could be very far away. Maybe even guaranteeing that if you help him he will tell the “Order of Grave Singers” to send someone to retrieve your body when you die so your spirit lives on! My favorite race in TES are argonians, and Bethesda has barely done any really cool quests about their culture. I hope in TES6 races are actually very different in abilities/reputation/gameplay, and not just only esthetics.
The opening had me literally crying while eating breakfast
Don't usually comment but just wanted to say thank you for your remarkable work Drew.. genuinely some of the most talented original content. I spend the first two minutes of every video smiling in awe of what I'm listening to. I appreciate the alchemy between the music and your knowledge and storytelling.. captures the mystery and magic of elder Scrolls like no other I've heard
Thanks bro
I appreciate that, John. Thanks so much!
You are a Legendary Storyteller, I actually wept at the intro to this one. Easily the best video I’ve seen on this topic.
Mr. Drew, what a fantastical backstory this could be for an argonian playthrough! I never knew (or rather, understood) much about the argonians but this makes one think of what fun it would be to use this as a backstory for a playthrough I never considered before!
Thank you, Sir, for making me "think" another way...LOL
Was the Hist possibly formed from the ether connecting not only the shattered realms but shattered timelines as well? Sort of born from the very lattice that the Khajiiti climb?
Loved this!!! And loved the portion about our own trees networking!
Thank you Drew! this is exactly what i needed today! The quality of these videos is incredible!
Your voice is beautiful and perfect way to tell a fantasy story along with the beauty of the game music helps flow with your speaking. Keep up your talent work ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉
You featured it in the video but didn't mention it in the narrative-the Sleeping Tree in Skyrim.
The floating city of Umbriel was a chunk of Clavicus Vile's realm, and among its fauna were trees that were not actually native to his realm. Mere-Glim noted by instinct that they similar to the Hists of Argonia on a primal level. He was able to communicate with them as with a Hist, but their communication was of a very strange "dialect" to him that he had a lot of trouble deciphering. When he was eventually slain and reborn on Umbriel with the help of Annaïg and the Umbrielan trees, he was able to communicate with them natively. Eventually, when the Umbrielan ingenium was destroyed, Mere-Glim convinced the trees to remove Umbriel from Mundus. They did not return to Clavicus Vile's realm, but somewhere altogether different, and most likely the native plane of the trees.
It is said that the Sleeping Tree in Skyrim grew from a spore from that "floating island" (Umbriel), and is likely of the same species of trees. Noting that, it would be quite interesting if Argonians in Skyrim eventually grew attuned tk its call, flocked to it, and started venerating it as their own Hist, and if they began to evolve into a different race like but unlike the Argonians of the Tamrielic Hists.
Yeah, this is a very important detail
That would be nice
So that makes Dagoth Ur reaction even more Lore accurate.
There are a lot of halfbreeds in the elder scrolls. They don't shy away, they just don't make it a character option.
the intro has me literally balling my eyes out omg... you're seriously my favorite storyteller!
I'm glad I wasn't the only one
Argonian has been my goto since Morrowind.
An important part I feel is the fact that they live in a march. As water is memory, and mostly connected to old things and the far past (Lyg, the sloads, the west), this weird midpose between land and sea that is the march, seems interesting. This also links with the Hist orgin story you mentioned where they survived a shattered realm, aka came from the previous kalpa. The memory collective of the Hist is also beautifully represented in the wetness of the swamp.
Alright but... AI is a bad term because either ALL created or uplifted beings are AI, or NONE of them are outside of a very strict definition. "Smartified lizard that's symbiotic with a tree species that has a hive mind... ain't "artificial."
"For the Great Plan" said Argonian Nerevarine
Could the Argonians replace the Hist with the Y'ffre's Green Pact and the Graht-oaks?
I always wondered this after an ESO mission where Argonian refugees fled to Valenwood after the creation of the Ebonheart Pact. They abandoned the Hist and asked Y'ffre to help them reproduce. There is never a follow-up to see if their mission succeeded.
No way. Why? Its super cringe idea. Bosmers are no more than food for wamasu(its even mentioned in some argonian instruction about wamasu pet). Hist is a part of saxhleel on blood level. Hist = Argonians. Each Hist is made from argonian souls and connected to its tribe. Why you need some cringie elven little goddie when you can develop your civilization on soul connected branches, terraform territory wih hist magic and rule the deadly swamp-jungle lands? Just to imagine to turn powerfull lizard sorcerers and swamp-rambos into some bosmer-kind dwarwish-hippies is a nightmare for any argonian enjoyer.
As a pact player i truly hated this quest when i saw it. This quest was made only for dominion players. Pity there is no option to help the opposite side(there was an argonian warrior leader and she was against that stupid shit with Yffre).
@@DarkAdept1 The Hist created the Argonians as a slave race who are dependent on the trees for procreation and keep the lizardmen addicted through sap. That means that the Argonians have to serve the Hists' will, even if it is against the individual Argonians' interests. For example, the Hist forced many Argonians into the Ebonheart Pact, where they are forced to ally with their Dunmer oppressors.
More of a philosophical question: In gratitude for your creation, should you be required to give up all personal ambitions to solely serve the will of your creator (God)?
Ngl, that intro actually really got to me, damn good job
That intro had me sobbing in my room
You should make a series of videos reading Michael Kirkbride’s C0DA stories. Just like how Rad King has a series reading the Fallout Bible.
Coda is not canon just so you know.
@@TheMeestLord Of course I know that how could anyone not know that? But C0DA has some really cool and interesting stories. And the creators often pull from C0DA when developing the deeper lore. Like how the Fallout Bible is pulled from in the making a Fallout lore.
After the Lusty Argonian
My favorite Skyrim playthrough was with an Argonian warrior. My character lore was he was not born from the Hist sap in Black Marsh but instead from sleeping tree in Skyrim. He was gifted the blood of an ancient Dova to defend the lone Hist tree from the dragon threat.
Fantastic video buddy. The amount of information I learned, and here I thought I knew most of the lore of The Elder Scrolls. Oh, and on a side note, considering I’m an enthusiast about voice over; I have to give my praise to your narration. Part of the reason this video didn’t even seem half an hour long is because your voiceover is top notch. Keep up the good work!
I love your work Drew. Can’t get quite this same delicious flavor of beautiful Elder Scrolls content from anyone else.
Me: *smokes hist bud out of a glass bong*
Every Argonian: "Thats a new one"
The Hist looked to mortals, and decided to give the tree lizards things they considered important. Things like sapience, hands, bipedalism, and, much to the chagrin of the biologists of both men and mer, mammaries.
After days of studying and working, I can finally enjoy this Drewmora video. I shall wake my family shortly, for they need to experience this solace with me
"I'm not even going to talk about the breasts"
Aaaa man.
I don't see why everyone tries dodging the subject.
All they have to do is say it's to nurse their young.
"But they're reptiles." I hear you argue, and to that I say Black Marsh is also a really dangerous place. We don't know all that much about it. Maybe they really do need to nurse their young?
The Hist gave them breasts for a reason. They're not stupid, nor clueless.
"Hey! Maybe if we had our creations nurse their young it would increase their chances of survival?"
"Sounds good. I'm kind of getting sick of eating all these memories of newborn hatchlings being eaten alive by predators. Why'd we pick this blasted swamp to settle anyway?"
By the way, the Fighter Guild's quest from Oblivion includes a Hist tree (or a Hist tree seedling?). You forget to mention that one and how it (it's sap) affected the people there.
I'm trying to remember, but I think it was sick or something.
I feel the hist should've been a fungus or fungal based given the whole forest mycelium internet thing, but I love the idea all the same
Damn, got here early af. Another video to add to my "Australian man talking about elder scrolls sleep asmr".
Thanks for another great video drew.
lol that's a saurus on thumbnail
just finished my another lizardmen campaign
A storyteller of the highest order, serving up top shelf quality content 💚
Argonians aren't my favorite race, they're like 4 or 5, but for TES that still makes them very fascinating to me. I like the debate on how autonomous Argonians are, rather or not they make their own choices or are merely puppets of the Hist. What do you guys think?
I think they are free to make their own choices. The hist just want to experience life through them.
Unless there is a threat, such as when they were called back before the Oblivion gates started opening.
@@Mary_Beth_Reimer The Hist's are running one of the most Complex life simulations possible. Its like they are passively playing the sim. occasionally intervening to modify something before little the sim run autonomous.
Argonians have free will to make their own decisions, but I doubt many choose to oppose the Hist as Argonians believe the fate of their immortal souls belongs to the Hist.
Not my favorite race but by FAR the most interesting
0:00 - 3:29
My glob, this is so wholesome. You tell an incredible story.
"Man I am so tired of seeing AI generated art and hearing news about ChatGPT all the time. Ah, a new upload from my favorite ES lore channel. A little bit of magic and fantasy should help me forget about the possible robot apocalypse awaiting us."
>Argonians are machine learning flesh AI
*screaming internally*
Spoiled, we are, by Drewmora! Thanks Drew.
A saurus from WHF as the thumbnail image makes a lot of sense. They are anti-chaos flesh robots after all
I wonder what the Dwemer would have done, had they known how the Hist trees and the Saxheel Hivemind worked (and if a Hist network existed underground, one which may reach the lands spanning across the entirety of Northern Tamriel, even covertly) before they were blipped elsewhere (or something).
Awesome stuff. Very interesting
Great video Drew
Argonians are also really good at farming saltrice.
It’s more complicated than this. They aren’t ants. They are far more complicated
You make wonderful lore videos! I’m a fan of the supernatural, so I’d love to see some about ghosts, vampires, etc.
The writing around Morrowind is some of the best and most philosophically interesting in all of fantasy.
10:02 this line is so good
That's last part about dehumanizing the argonians and dunmer having a field day with this info. I think of the dagoth ur memes with him roasting the different races.
Calling Argonians AI is something I never thought I would hear but here we are!
The whole concept of CHIM is literally realizing your existence is within a whim of gamer
Nice Saurus from warhammer fantasy thumbnail.
Love your videos, and your voice.
Not the crown store😭
I'm not an Elder Scroll purist who rejects ESO lore, but Crown Store lore is total garbage.
Great video, honestly Argonians and Dunmer are one - if not the one - the most interesting races in Tamriel.
Also - Unrelated but I've got my own theory:
Nocturnal is true Deadric Prince of Fate.
If shadows in TES are described by Ezra Nightwielder as a "record of conflict and every possible outcome - past, present and future" and as such shadow magic can change the future by influencing those possibilities then wouldn't that make Nocturnal the Deadric Prince of Fate?
Nocturnal blesses thieves with "fortune" or just plain luck. But isn`t luck just a series of small fates?
Nocturnal`s mystery have resemblance with mysterious ways of the fate - both equally not understandable to mortals.
Also, Nocturnal has the most stories of mortals "tricking" or "stealing" from her. But is she just respectful of their skills, or she just lets them think they tricked her - as part of her plan? With unknowing pawns doing her Will while thinking it is of their own volition.
In Nightingales vol.1 Gallus Desidenius says about Skeleton Key and "abstract meaning of unlocking [...] unlocking hidden potential" - its vague enough that it could mean anything but it can be interpreted as something that Ezra Nightwielder did - merging all possible version of himself.
He also can`t understand why Nocturnal even allows skeleton key to be stolen. It points towards my earlier point.
Another thing - probably a big stretch - The Grey Fox mask's power is to make wielder vanish from history and people's memories, sounds a little bit like retroactively choosing a different fate.
Also - a thought unrelated to nocturnal - The dragon breaks. Arent they shadow manifested? All possible outcomes - in that case not bound by linear time logic - made true.
I wonder what that Hist tree is doing in Skyrim? What's the goal?
They got cut down before are they making a comeback across Tamriel.
There is a story about how it came to be there. I don't remember exactly, but I think it might be that it fell off the island Umbra made.
Greg Keys novels answer it imo since Ysolda mentions it as rumor that it was from a spore that fell from a floating island. She also says it may have sprouted from a piece that was launched across Tamriel when Red Mountain erupted.
@@mildlydazed9608 Yeah I remember watching a video about it. But I have yet to see an Argonian drink the Hist Sap.
One of my favorite races in the elder scrolls thanks Drew
How do I go up and down your feed all day and still missed this one
Amazing as always Drew.
All hail Drew the true dreamer. Keeping alight the aurbis to our mind's eye as visions of the mundus grow bleaker.
Watering the seeds of images our souls cling to.
The storytelling and explanations are expertly intertwined. First of your vids I'e seen, and it earned at least one sub
LMAO me literally painting a Saurus warrior rn and just clicking because I saw one. Although I still love TES lizard people in a very different way from the warhammer ones. Love ya drew.
Argonian is my favourite culture from Tamriel, solely because of the acknowledgement that nothing is permanent, nothing is sacred but the Hist. And Sithis is a neutral dude with honest intentions. This aligns pretty accurately with my personal views, making the Saxhleel my people.
Thank you for taking the time to write about my lizard folk ❤
You do a really great job with the video narrative.
another great video.
Nice to see another one of your videos, and it's on the subject of one of my favorite races no less.
Another amazing video. Thank you dearly dude. I cannot get enough of your content
I was waiting this subject. Great video as always!
My Argonian in ESO has A LOT to report back to the Hist I can tell you that!
Bro what did I do to deserve the first 5 minutes of this video
I wonder about HIST opinion on experiences of Argonian Maids...
Thank you for all you do, may your sap always be sweet.
19:41 as an autistic person i'm genuinely delighted by how that description of ja-reet just sounds like lizard autism™
Marvelous video, thank you! 💙
It's interesting how the lukiul/abberant argonians present to the standard argonian culture in a similar way as Autism Spectrum Disorder in our own. Like Kassandra and Tlaiuhticah/Xal-Sisei in the Murkmire Expansion. Both obviously argonian, but othered by their lack of connection to the Hist.
Kassandra embodies a sense of denial that many on the higher end of the spectrum experience, attempting to strong-arm herself into a connection with the Hist that neither was ready for. A lack of self-acceptance that can be destructive for everyone involved.
Tlaiuhticah/Xal-Sisei represents the orbiting controversy of those lower on the spectrum. She is nonverbal, has visible trouble socializing, and stims/self-soothes almost constantly to show her emotional state. Her caretaker/mother/guardian Haxara accepts her as she is, but constantly must defend her child from others who shun and/or disrespect her for being the way she is.
The Lukiul (Argonians born outside of Black Marsh) remind me of orphan babies who were never held at infancy. Without this critical development step, one can never fully socially integrated with the rest of society.
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I am glad that I am not the only one who saw Argonians who never tasted Hist Sap and thought "holy crap it makes them autistic".
I have autism myself, so I relate greatly to this.
Drewmora, would you ever consider about covering the Tiger People of Akavir, their relations to the Khajit and their closeness to Akatosh to the point Tosh Raka became Dragon that even dwarfed Alduin himself?
The great Skald Drew of Atmora sails from the ancient continent to share another great story, today is a great day.
When you rearrange letters in the word Hist you can get Sith which can be short for Sithis.
Each group of Ehlnofey represents a different idology. The old Ehlnofey represent the stasis of Anu, Wandering Ehlnofey represent a mind torn between stasis and change, while the Earthbones represent fundamental and inevitable change. "Sacrificing" themselves, Earthbones "made a decision" to become one with Lorkhan and Sithis, like when two seemingly separate thoughts or ideas start making sense together and become one. If we consider that every entity is an idea inside of the Godhead's dream, It becomes even clearer. Each race of Ehlnofey represents one color on the spectrum of idealism.
The Hist and the Saxhleel are there to represent one far end of that spectrum. Correlations to our Earth are amazing. Just as many species have sacrificed themselves in the Great Oxidation Event so have Ehlnofey in becoming the Earthbones, both cases giving rise to new biological systems. Just as there would be no us without oxygen producing plants, there would be no Saxhleel without the Hist.
Saxhleel and the Hist are there to represent the fundamental change and connection between all things, alive and dead. Without Padomay there is just Anu in the Aurbis, or as is also proper to say, without change, there is just stasis in the cosmos. Saxhleel embrace the fundamental inevitability of change while Mer who are on the opposite side of spectrum deny it while worshiping Anuiel who represents unchanging order or stasis.
We could argue that every intelligence below Anu and Padomay is artificial, but I object, for every intelligence is a part of the split mind of the Godhead.
The connection between Saxhleel and Dragons becomes more than just visual now. Dragons are children of Akatosh/Anuiel who represent tyrannical fight against the entropy while Saxhleel are children of Lorkhan who represent it's inevitability.
Depriving a Saxhleel of Hist and Hist sap is like depraving any other shaman of his psychedelic herbs or mushrooms or a priest from their sacred texts. Saxhleel don't draw any profane knowledge from the Hist, as the matter of fact, if you read about their Sithis worship and replace word "Sithis" with "Nature", they sound exactly like any other old or modern naturist religion which is nothing new since they are mostly compared to native Americans. In that respect, it's really a blasphemy to call them artificial since they are the ones with the biggest connection to the world and the laws of nature themselves.
They are affected by change, but not subject to it, because their lord and father is ultimately Lorkhan, not Anuiel, which explains their seemingly artificial rise.
12:29 would recommend everyone read 'The Hidden Life of Trees' by Peter Wohlleben
my favorite part of eso was black marsh, i just love every bit of lore with argonians