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- Skip thinks the media aren't giving Tom Brady enough credit, especially after the beating the Patriots put on the Texans without Brady.
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Skip: Tom Brady saved Bill Belichick, not the other way around | UNDISPUTED
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Best thing I saw regarding the two: Belichick is responsible for Brady's immediate success; Brady is resposible for Bill's continued success. Take that as you will.
***** The only Superbowl you could clearly win with another QB is 2001. Both 2003 and 2004 you would need Brady, or another elite QB of his caliber.
Here's how I take it. Belichick is responsible for making Brady a good QB, while Brady is responsible for being able to play and improve to what he is today
Belichick can win without Brady , Brady can't
Mike C Brady absolutely can win without Belichick.
Yeah but he would have to cheat
Brady and Belichick is like cereal and milk, by themselves they can be good but together they can be great.
naw Brady sucks
Kevin Walsh Brady still sucks.
Nick Burne so I should of called you last season because we won more than 5 games ? The pats could have any QB in their system and would put up Brady numbers, because Brady sucks. Belicheat Is the reason they have 4 Superbowls.
Still bummed about the tuck rule huh? lol
Relax man. You guys had plenty of chances to win that game even after the tuck rule play. You still had the lead and you had overtime to win that game. I agree it was a bad call. But you still had a chance to win the game. And that one play didn't destroy your franchise you still went to the superbowl in 02' so quit exaggerating. Brady and bellichick are 2 of the greatest ever of head coach and quarterback duo. And if they cheat in everything how come they're superbowls weren't taken away. Also you have a young up and coming team to root for so I don't get all the hostility.
Been saying it, if you watch the Pats win a game without Brady and think its a knock on Brady is the same as seeing it snow and saying it disproves Global Warming. It's an ignorant argument.
Nice
Joseph Vincent they didn't just win one game though, they've won fourteen and lost only five,
With scrub qb's which is what Brady was as a seventh or sixth round draft pick who almost never got drafted. Bellicheck is 6-0 with rookie qb's going back to Cleveland. Not saying we should discredit Brady but there something to be said about the patriots system losing many staple players and still being able to win and win dominantly. It's not ignorant to say that maybe Brady ain't the player he his if he played with as many coaches and teams as Peyton but agree to disagree.
Look at the season before Tom became a starter; The patriots were 5-11. Then in the 2001 season they played their first 2 games without brady and lost. Then Tom came in and won 11 out of 14 and carried them to the superbowl. Then he gave them 2 more superbowls in 2004 and 2005. And the season where he was injured its the only season where they didnt make the playoffs.
Look at New England's defensive stats in the playoffs. Combine that with Vinateri, I love Brady and he's the GOAT but Bill overall plays into that teams success more than him
Joseph Vincent great video and great comments👾
Belichick before 2001 41-55
Belichick 2001- present 185-58
Did he have a coaching gig in Cleveland before heading to the Pats?
He started cheating lol jk, I'm a Pats fan btw
appreciate that cheating lol.
Omega8kilo ya as defensive coordinator not head coach
Also after 2001 2 of those losses were when brady was a backup
way better than first take only because these ppl actually make sense
not skip he's still the same delusional idiot like he was on first take
Shannon's an upgrade, he at least makes it bearable.
tru tru but sharp is pretty great imo
Behold! Sharp has arrived!
You can win games without Tom Brady but you won't win Super Bowls without Tom Brady.
Yeah for now 😐 if patriots keep the same system when he retires patriots will be super bowl camps
Jackpot!!!
yeah you can if you have a good d and a reliable kicker. Brady sucks .
Give Matt cassel another year and he's hoisting the Lombardi
+Mister Raider Good defense... Something the Raiders don't know about.
Hate the Pats but Brady is the GOAT
yea cheater
Cheating goat
But u would luv to be in the cheater shoes for 1 day
I'm listening to the sermon, preach but your preaching to deff ears.. They don't get how much of a difference maker Brady is until he retires and Boston fans just sign for a winning season not a Super Bowl just a winning season.. That would mean the jets would take first in that division hmmmm
He gotta surpass Matt cassel
so much better than first take
So much better in every way.
I believe that Belichick is just as important to Brady as Brady is to Belichick; neither is more important than the other. If Belichick had an average Quarterback, my bet is he would go 11-5 and maybe win a playoff game or two with that Quarterback. Likewise, if Tom Brady left Belichick and New England, and joined another team with an average roster and Head Coach, I believe he also would go somewhere in the region of 11-5 with one or two playoff wins. However, when Brady and Belichick are together, they can win up to 13-14 games and go on to win the Super Bowl. Whilst they both may not like to admit it, both need each other to win championships.
Come back
Ppl act like Jacoby came in and threw for 300 yards and 4 tds, I like Jacoby but how does a sub par performance from a backup
diminish Brady
a sub par performance from jacoby and getting the win elevates the greatness of Bill bilichick. and doesn't diminish Brady to me . he's still great but I never thought he was the greatest
He managed the game, it was more the patriots defense along with 2 special teams fumbles with Blount running wild that won the game
Brady took them to a championship his first time starting.
The players are the ones on the field making plays the system only puts them in the position to make the plays. If you are insisting that any old quarterback could take Brady place and gave the same stats and success he has had you clearly don't know a thing about football.
+James Carlyle jacoby had 100 something yards I agree the system helps but Brady is the goat
Skip is preachin 😂
It is 50/50. Each Brady and Bill make life easier for each other. Imagine if Dan Marino played in this system?? OH MY GOD!!!!
EXACTLY
Then he still wouldn't be better than TB
Yeah he would've.
Wing Adept but he's not so who cares it's just should've could've would've
#LakeShow #GoPats Agreed. But last night proved that it's not all Brady, but that system, and Tom has benefited from that system.
Matt cassel played a majority of games against sub .500 teams. I wonder why they fail to report that fact.
You can't pick and choose who you play, he won
against sub .500 teams playing with the same unstoppable 07 team. that happened in real life.
You're missing the point. 2007 Pats statistically had toughest schedule in the league btw. So compare their stats those two seasons and get back to me. TWENTY NINE more TD against a far more difficult schedule. TWENTY NINE. More than most QB have in an entire season!
The 2008 Patriots under castle where 11-5... they were 9 - 0 against non-playoff teams and 2 - 5 against playoff teams.. easily the worst 11 - 5 team in NFL history
Shannon is right.....it's 50/50. Brady is as responsible for Belichick's success as Belichick is for Brady's success. Two sides of the same new century silver, red, white and nautical blue coin.
Preach 👏👏👏
True, Belicheck has assembled top defenses in the NFL
And Brady took the 31st ranked D to a superbowl...the lowest rated D in NFL history to reach the SB.
when was that?
@Joseph, when was that? Not saying it didn't happen, but I thought that even those losses to the Giants in the Super Bowl were with top 15 or 20 defenses (bend-but-don't-break defenses, so nothing stellar).
I agree with Skip, Brady throws the ball not Belichick.
the o line is the strength of the team
Their O-Line is fire. The whole time Garoppolo(sp?) and Brissett were in the pocket, I was thinking, "Is anyone going to hit them?"
Brady throws the ball, but he simply cannot play the game all by himself. He needs players, and the players get there with much more say from the coach. If the coach was bad, and got players not necessarily matching up, bad calls, bad defenses, etc - Brady would not get there. Yes, sometimes when one thing is lacking (like the 2011 defense), others can step up, but the compilation of issues every given year is the total issue. Of which, Brady and the QB has an important say, but not close to the majority say.
So, yes - Belicheck is far more important. That said, having a QB like Brady lets you open up your playback much easier, grants stability to focus on others. So Brady would never have made it without good coaches, and while Bel could have made it without Brady, it was easier for him with him.
So, 70% to 30% Belicheck is favored in this argument.
So was Peyton Manning's. Joe Montana had a good O Line as well so what is your point? Isn't that what they are supposed to do. Brady makes everyone around him better. Also, are we just going to forget about the Belichick years in Cleveland and his first 18 games in NE? BB had 1 winning season in his first 6 years as a head coach and started off 2001 with an 0-2 record. BB was on the verge of being fired from NE when TB became the starter. He saved Belichick's job and his career. No system QB is going to do that.
belicheck is the most valuable patriot without a doubt
Well Brady proved he's 90%
I love seeing how Skip is willing to throw the entire Patriots organization under the bus as long as he get to praise Brady
I think i gotta lean towards Tom. At the end of the day, Tom gotta make the throws.
I can't wait for tom Brady to retire so belichick can fail so people can finally understand how great Tom was
I think it's 50-50. Greatest coach and greatest QB ever. They make each other better. Greatest coach-QB duo of all time.
skip drives me crazy at times... but then again i do miss him on first take also. lol. love hate relationship
lol isn't love and hate jealousy?
Would still smash tho lol.
I agree with sharpe 100% if a backup to a backup is dotting up one of the better defenses then I'll give 65-35
it amazes me every time how euphoric Skip speaks about Brady and Tebow but dismissive about Lebron and Newton.
yesterday he said Tom Brady is the system and that due to his influence on backups that they proceed to do well. Now it's the very same Brady that saved Belichick? None of that makes sense. Brady doesn't call his own plays. Brady isn't known for making audibles. Brady isn't the entire offense, he's just another part of puzzle. A big part for sure, but let's not act like he's alone out there.
Brady actually calls a lot of audibles lol, the man can read defenses like nobody else, besides Peyton. In 2013 Brady was the sole reason Pats went 12-4 instead of 9-7. He's much more important than you think
He does make audibles, he does call plays pretty often, and he is the sole reason the Pats aren't like the Jets. Really without him they would have no Superbowls, and would be like 6-10 every year. I love the Pats and Jimmy GaropaGOAT and Jacoby Brissett have done well. But they aren't close to the level of Brady
I think there is a middle ground between both your comments. Brady is still great, regardless of what people want to say. However, he may not be as great as some people say he is. Belichek is 13-5 I believe without Brady. It shows that there is a perfect system in place that allows the Pats to continue winning without Brady. Brady is about 50/50 of what the Pats do. Brady happens to be a great QB in an even better system and an even better organization. It's proven that the Pats can win without him. Now as far as Brady not audibling I call BS. He does it and does it often.
+Heisenberg-SchrodingerEmc2 Preach 👏👏👏
Brady does call it's our plays, he can read and dissect a defense so you live under a rock?
talk about spin. BB is best coach of all time.
If he's not cheating, then he is the best coach of all time I agree
not sure where you got that from. 11-5 with Cassell. 3-0 this year.
and qb isn't everything. you need good teams around the QB. BB has switched pieces every year and still gets same result.
passing is not the only thing they do well. BB over produces with the talent he accumulates in every aspect of football. in a players league, injuries and lack of talent are never an issue for his top notch coaching.
only teams that even have a chance need elite QBs and elite DLines. or else you have little to no chance. no matter who is on his side of the ball.
If Bill belichick is such a genius why did he go 36-44 with the Browns,I agree with skip Brady is the goat
Yeah I agree with you here man, people act like Belichick didn't spend 5 years as a HC before and achieved nothing.
+CoDWiiPS3Gameplay fax
It was his first head coaching job. just like players some Head coaches take time to develop their craft. Pete Carroll was a joke for a while before leaving the nfl and went to USC. Came back to the nfl with the Seahawks and has a pair of superbowl appearances in 6 years
Maybe he hadn't become the coach he is now yet? Geez, people reaching back 20 years in time to try to find some ammo to use against the guy.
+Xhoven the one year he didn't have Brady they missed the playoffs
Belichick before 2001: 41-55(Before Brady)
Belichick after 2001: 236-69(After Brady) Case closed.
You take a defensive minded coach with a keen eye for talent , combine him with a high caliber qb who just wont quit , a owner willing to spend the needed cash on said talent---yeah , this is a group effort and been a lot of fun to watch over the years, really enjoy watching Brady- From a Broncos fan!! (Siemien looks good time will tell )
Don't know what that line is doing there ?
This is the first time and most likely the last time I agree with Skip Bayless... I feel sick to my stomach.
i would say 60% Brady, and 40% Belichick. All of those comebacks that Brady has had in the regular season, post season, or Super Bowl to save the Patriots were most all led by Brady saving the day. Also remember back in 2011 when Pats had the worst defense and Brady still took them to the Super Bowl.
When you realize that the Pats have become so good to the point people start debating who's responsible for all the winning hahaha
3:08-3:31 couldn't have said it any better. goosebumps just hearing what skip said. but in the end I think they needed each other.
I like when Shannon says what if Vinatieri misses those two kicks and also what if Wilson doesn't throw that pick. Even funny as a Pats fan
Skip was pointing out the luckiest play on the super bowl (the helmet catch) then Shannon points out what if Vinatieri missed those 2 kicks. Those kicks made weren't luck. Adam Vinatieri wouldn't miss those kicks. It had a high percentage of success. Vinatieri would make it 7 out of 10 give or take.
Vinatieri was 24-24 in domes before that SB kick, which was in a dome. In the second SB, Vinatieri cost them points by missing two FG under 35 yards. Made the last, sure, but he had a very bad night that game.
JBSptfn Yes, that was a terrible pick, though I believe the Pats were up 5 at the time, not 11, but he still played a tremendous game.
Only time I've ever agreed with Skip
Well *both* of you are wrong
Bill had a losing record before Tom came along.
The pats are now 2-0 v teams that were projected to either make the superbowl or make super deep playoff runs WITHOUT Brady. Obv tom brady is a big part of NE's success, but bradys suspension has simply proved that brady isnt a god. Hes a part of the well oiled machine that is bill belichick, grant it hes a shiny goood part. But the machine can still run just fine with a replacement part. No other team in the NFL can say that, the packers were failure when rodgers got hurt, Colts horrible w/o luck, and so on.
It snowed yesterday...so I guess global warming is disproved right? That's what the haters sound like right now saying the Pats won without Brady disproves Brady. Haters gonna hate I guess. Brady gonna keep winning.
***** No way the Pats are just loaded right? No way they have the best roster in all of football this season. That D shut out the Texans. Shut them out. What does that have to do with QB play?
hi Joseph! I sub to ur channel and I love your vids! nice to see you!
Love your videos Joseph
It can still be a fined oil rig of a machine but without Brady it has a lil mechanical problems like sustaining drives. With Brady in it's a well oil running smooth operator that's hard to disrupt bc his engine is clutch ..
Skip's overreactions and Shannon's scoffs make this show so good.
They both helped each other. Without either one they wouldn't be nearly as successful
I never see anything like this. Two ex-nfl players gets destroyed in a football debate by a single skip Bayless....... That's why everybody hates skip, when he spits facts and truth, nobody could handle him.
This debate aged well huh? Look what Brady does without Bellichek, and look how Bellichek is without Brady..imo,if Bill doesn't win another without Brady it's gonna look worse for Bill
This is so dumb. The reason why the Pats are the greatest Sports legacy ever and BB and Brady are the two best ever in their job is because two GREATs met and thats the outcome. Greatness and dominance for such a long time. Period.
Showtime Lakers 9 Finals In 12 Seasons
Belichick best coach ever .
Cant compare the difficulty. So much easier in NBA
Tebow would win those sb's with belichick
So win didn't Matt classes or the Browns win with bb
Bill was the head coach for the browns and has a losing overall record with them, and only winning 1 playoff game. Then when he became the head coach for NE, first year they went 5-11, Bill was about to be fired, then first 2 games of the the 2001 season, went 0-2. Brady then stepped in, won 3 Superbowl rings in 4 seasons. 2008 season, Brady got hurt and they didn't make it to the playoffs. You could say Bill is the reason for Brady's success, but in actuality, Brady is the reason for Bill's success.
Both are historically great, and both deserve 50/50 credit for their successes. Every now and then, the scales tilt in favor of one or the other. But the scales always even out, and you recognize that THIS kind of success can only happen when an historically great QB is drafted by an historically great coach. They tapped into each other's potential, and the rest is history.
"The Patriot Way" is as much a creation of Tom Brady as it is Bill Belichick.
This is a dumb question. I agree mostly with Skip. 75% Tom and 25% Bill.
tom brady is the greatest quarterback of all time!!! but bill belichick is also the greatest coach of all time. and they are prefect for each other.
"tom brady is the greatest overrated quaterback of all time!!! but bill belichick is also the greatest coach of all time. and they are perfect for each other"
there, i fixed it for you
EvilZeroSc you mad? XD
+Cryptic 90 Belichick is a great coach, Brady is just starting. If you put any QB on the Patriots, they would look like Tom Brady
JnpFtw they will look like brady, who?
JnpFtw people like you are probably a young person who dont know bradys history. brady was the one who establish how the patriots offense ran, and how bill belichick succeed because of brady. look before brady, bill belichick struggled even with a 100 million dollar drew blesdoe. and with the browns bill belichick couldnt find a way to win, until tom brady came in and help took belichicks system to a better place. the reason why the other quarterbacks are playing so good right now is because of bradys system offensively. and brady helped groom these young guys like jimmy G. and cassel.
4 Superbowls, 3 on the legs of Viniateri, one due to a turnover the Patriots forced on their goal line at the end of the game.
yes Viniateri kick all those winning field goals but without brady driving it down the field they would lose
And a spygate
well the 1st superbowl against the Giants was just luck and the 2nd if we Welker would've caught that pass the game was over with
Not a Patriots fan, but in all fairness they aren't the only team who used a Spygate...nothing recent but back in the day it happened a handful of times
They both needed each other. It was a match of fate, and one w/o the other years ago, they would be both nothing. Bill made Tom way better, in return that helped bill become the coach he is today.
PATS are just the complete team. Both BB & Brady are great (this is a never ending argument).
If I had to choose, I would say BB.
- The team would not be as discipline as it is. He is the one responsible for the culture they now have in New England.
bill was on verge of being fired after 5-11 with a franchise QB with bledsoe Tom comes in and saves the day and put that franchise on a pedistal. Ne has a very good team VERY good they can win like how denver is winning right now
Skip has a mancrush on Brady. I don't know how else to see Skip's vision/believes
Skip has an even bigger mancrush on Tim Tebow.
How many superbowl's, playoff wins, playoff appeareances without brady??? None. what was belichick record with bledsoe before brady??
Coaches can only coach. Athletes do. Period.
you have to give brady the edge though, the 11-5 season was a huge drop off from their near perfect season and their Defense dominated the three games before it finally broke down in week four. Brady is playing MVP football at 39. No one can debate it's Brady all the way. Belichick wouldn't be here without brady while brady might still be winning on another team without Bill
If we are going to play what ifs here, I think the pats could of won 7 sb's. The 2 that skip pointed out and the 3rd where they blew a huge lead against the colts in the afc championship game and where the colts went on to beat the bears in 07. Imagine if Brady had won 7 superbowls, pretty crazy.
I been a massive Brady fan since he took over as the starter when drew got hurt when when i was like 9 years old been like 15 years and Brady is better than ever which is insane to think about however the fact that one of the best coaches ever Belichick, one of the best owners ever Kraft, and one of the best Qbs ever Brady all came together in the same generation on the same team is like the perfect storm its unbelievable and most likely will never happen again. It was a massive team effort by everyone but without Brady it would not have happened plain and simple.
True that the qb is the most important position in the game. How does that help with the argument that they are 13-5 without Brady?
Matt Cassel enough said
SuperMrGeorgi Not to mention the Cassel season was played against HORRIBLE teams.
datsizer actually that was the year with brady they were 8-8 i think it was the year after his injury but i could be wrong
Camera trying to get some airtime @ 3:31
Pats are a team, coach the brains, Tom the skills, Tom learned how to read defences from Bill, Bill could call more plays because of Tom. The whole team was smart and special! what team could change game plans every week? this Pats fan does not have to choose between the two, The whole team is 110%
I hate to say Skip actually makes a good point>????
Lets not forget 2 of those championships were achieved through luck. They were supposed to lose to the Ravens in AFC championship in 2012, but the ravens kicker missed field goal and let's not forget that very controversial pass play in 2014 that got Brady and Beli another championship by circumstance.
Well you can say the 2 they lost was luck also two Miracle catches
They lost that Super Bowl
this man what call Skip.? he is crazy
It is a symbiotic relationship. Belichick is a great coach, his way or the highway. Brady, VERY< VERY, much to his credit , allows himself to be coached. Can you ever see any other ego maniac QB get belittled in front of the whole team, and come out and say, "He's right, I have to play better" AND HE DOES. There may never be another pair like them . BUT we learned something in his 4 game suspension, Patriots are a good team all by them selves, BUT without that extra magic that Tom Brady brings, they are not a great team. Tom Brady said "he is the coach and I am the player", so his head is so grounded it really is remarkable.
If even Bill failed in Cleveland than their is no hope for that franchise 😂😂
Its 60/40 Brady. Belichick was trash with cleveland and trash with Bledsoe at QB. Brady came along and changed everything
ReturnoftheBrotha I live in New England and around here everyone thinks Brady is the second coming of Jesus Christ. So i think and most of NE thinks Brady deserves more credit
911WASanINSIDEjob420 I did see a football life and bill was garbage wit cleveland and on the hot seat wit NE until brady came along
ReturnoftheBrotha NE is Rhode Island(me), Massachussets, Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. Foxboro where the Pats play is halfway between the capitals of RI and MA Providence and Boston
www.discovernewengland.org/about-new-england/new-england-states
dvon1097 well you clearly didn't pay attention to the show then because it was obvious he was about to become a very successful coach if not for the browns leaving the city
Joy is so beautiful 😍
no brady, no superbowls for patriots or belichick. skip is right but maybe 60/40
They'd win sb's with Tebow , it's the system
i say Tom 51 to 49.
no adam v and also great defense no superbowls
Belichick and Brady are like Batman and Robin, Mcartney and Lennon, they are joined at the hip and both equally responsible for greatness. They both have put in GREAT amounts of time in learning football and preparing for games and improving their knowledge.
I'm with Skip on this one
So you admit you're wrong
Same here
Funny how they keep throwing in this 13-5 record without Brady but they leave out Belichick's FIRST year in NE when he was 5-11 with Bledsoe...
Not to mention on the verge of being fired
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I would certainly agree with the statement that Belichick is an all-time great coach but I also think it's true he needed to grow into it. Maybe it took him a few years to find the right formula and get the right players on his team. So Brady UNQUESTIONABLY saved Belichick, and being coached by Belichick has also been a great asset to Brady over the years. These two statements are not contradictory.
Bill Rules Everything Around Me
adam vinatieri missed 2 short fgs against carolina b4 he made the gw
they both benefit from each other. Bill had a losing record as a head coach & was in the hot seat of losing his job again. Brady was a back up QB to a QB who just signed a decent contract. bledsoe's injury was the best thing to happen to both of them cause Bill prove he could a build a good team(mainly on defense) & put his team in a position to win but he needed Brady to be the closer & win those games for him. Brady just needed a chance & he went above expectations. NEITHER would have the success without the other.
I'm shocked! I agree with usually delusional Skip, here he is right.
As a debate show ... this is better than First Take. But the most important question is ... Joy or Molly?
Joy easily
Molly baby
Great discussion. It's a team effort. Belichick + Brady 60%.
Team 40%. Belichick provided the opportunity for success.
Coming from a from a brady fan, i think bill deserves more credit than brady. brady and belicheck need each other to be successful
Your comment didn't age well..
Hey Skip.... If you ain't cheatin you ain't tryin!
This is dumb. They're both great.
Bills record without Brady as his quarterback as a head coach says he's not great and actually a below-average coach at Best.. he's coached eight years in the NFL without Brady as his QB and has a losing record in six of those eight years and only one playoff appearance.. That's horrible
I hate how they try to make it about either Brady or Belichick lmao I'm a pats fan and I love both equally.. Its almost like they want us to give credit to one to discredit the other.. they are both great.
Brady is an elite QB, playing in an elite system orchestrated by an elite coach.
here is why even bill would say its more brady than me....but one wihtout the other isnt the same.....Bill has always said...."It's a players league"
Sharpe and Tillman are right! They have won with multiple quarterbacks but only one head coach
Bill O'Brian is a good head coach. Sure they coasted in the play offs, but they've got a great defense and their offense is good too. They just lack a QB.
I don't normally agree with Skip but he has this one spot on. No disrespect to Belichick.
Well 🤷🏼♂️
Brady is a system QB 90% of his passes travel less than 5 to 10 yards on inside slant routes.
how is he gonna get a 20 yard route if he only gets 2 seconds in the pocket lol
Couldn't have been said better by skip
Bill Bellichick is the best nfl coach of our time.
What about the emphasis on special teams?
It doesn't matter who's better when you can cheat.
50/50 they both responsible for they success
Joy........................sigh
It's 50/50 they're a perfect fit for each other. it can't be the system because bill would've won in cleveland; and it can't be brady because he wouldn't have dropped as far as he did in the draft. they built each others legacy
wheres is Payton hill ??
Skip is on the Mountain Dew again. its at least 50/50. True Brady came and saved B.B from the hotseat but people forget that before Brady turned up B.B was on teams which were below average and had nowhere near the talent it had once Brady arrived and attracted names. Truth is they are products of each other, if you swapped Brady with Payton Manning he would have won about the same amount of SB's Manning has and vice versa. Its hard to be a coach to a team with nothing or little to work with and win. Also having a QB like Brady gave B.B more of a chance to develop other players and focus on other aspects of football and allowed him to learn and excel at being a coach.
How has Brady mentored Brissett? Brissett has been there for a few months and Brady's been banned for a bunch of that time.
Did Shannon say "ninja stop!" Hmmmm
Football is a team sport, just based on that by default the successes and/or failures of team doesn't fall on one person ever. It's just a fact.
From what Skip Bayless says about the NFL, the New Orleans Saints should be multiple rings because since it's a quarterback driven league and Drew Brees has been on top for almost a decade, the Saints should have 6 or 7 rings