Eli Manning belongs in the Hall of Very Good, not Hall of Fame - Skip Bayless | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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- Eli Manning will formally announce his retirement on Friday and Skip Bayless said if he has to second guess whether someone is a Hall of Famer, they don't belong in Canton. That's why Skip says Eli belongs in the "Hall of Very Good", but not the Hall of Fame.
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Eli Manning belongs in the Hall of Very Good, not Hall of Fame - Skip Bayless | NFL | UNDISPUTED
• Eli Manning belongs in...
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Should Eli Manning make the Hall of Fame?
No
Stats say no heart says yes
Yes
Eye test says no stats over 16 years say no
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED yes ! He belongs
Skip the same person who would say Dak should be in the Hall Of Fame cause he's Brady-esque.
No Name 😂😂🤣😂😂
😂😂😂facts
QBR lmao
No Name exactly lol.
Skip yanks words out of his behind
IM CRYING “you don’t see gms saying we need to find the next Eli manning”💀💀💀💀
I cackeled hard
🤣🤣😄😄😄😄😄
The next Brady slayer
🤣🤣
@@jonathanchen1026 😂😂
The Hall of Fame is about legacy. Eli wasn't the best, but you need to put him in. Those two super bows were legendary. Eli is NFL history.
The defense was legendary in shutting Brady down. If even an average Brady shows up, 17 and 19 points are blowouts. Eli was carried.
Yeah but if it wasn't for Eli making those crucial throws, Patriots would've had a perfect season and another ring
@@phantomcosmonaut9127Any QB in those situations could’ve made those throws. Eli isn’t special because he beat Brady. Nick Foles beat Brady in a superbowl and he for sure isn’t getting in the Hall of Fame.
@@phantomcosmonaut9127 Wow! Those TWO cruicial throws. Were you even paying attention to what was happening in 2007 and 2011? Apparently not if you think that 2 throws are enough to beat Brady.
Hall of fame is about you did throughout your career not about moments. And you can make the case manning shouldn’t have won the first SB mvp because that defense was special in that game
Ben Roethlisberger’s first ring was handed to him: 9/21 122 yds 0 TDS 2 INTs: Rate: 22.6 (lowest by a SB winning qb). THAT is more along for the ride.
Eli lead 2 TD drives in the 4th quarter of his 1st SB
He may have had a bad game but there is no way they are playing in it without him
@@alexsebastian1112 no that defense would took trent dilfer or brad johnson there
@@nicstone3141 nah....
How bout the fact that he made the tackle against the colts to save a TD and get them in the super bowl. And the 2nd one it sure as well wasn’t handed to him. Made one of the all time great game winning throws of all time.
@@Buddyd_WrestleManPodcasteli didn't throw a touchdown late in the fourth quarter in super bowl 46 they ran the ball in for a Touchdown
Skip just salty that Eli beat his beloved Brady twice smh
And his Cowboys
No the fact is he is average and the fact he was never the guy that you can trust to make people better you would need to build around him to have any success
@@bingevintage8124 Some of his best seasons he spent throwing to guys that werent even top of the league. You can say he is average, but you could also make the same arguement for many QBs that you have to "build around them" for them to perform.
How is he a Cowboy fan and has all this man love for Brady? Your team is your team. You are not supposed to be in love with another player from a different team..
The numbers don’t lie lol he’ll be in . He wasn’t great all 16 years but those 2 rings will be his ticket . That defense who shutdown Brady IS what won those super bowls thou . And those 2 VERY LUCKY catches by Tyree and Manningham .
If you ask anyone, they’d love for their team to have a good, non problematic on and off the court leader that delivers two Super Bowls. He’s not transcendent, he’s not an all time great, but he delivered
Of course. The league has 10 of those. A dime a dozen.
JAMES C Now that Eli retired, the only QB’s left with more than one SB win are Brady and Ben, the latter having zero SB MVPs
Competition Sports 2019 so if cam newton beat undefeated patriots then leads the league in ints the rest of his career? He belongs in the HoF
Dwilly Will he was on a HoF path until injuries ravaged cam
joe flacco delivered and was non problematic as well, but he ain't a HOFer
This the most civilized debate skip and Shannon had yet😂😂
If he gets in 2x Super Bowl winning for the Raiders Jim Plunkett should be in!
I agree, it'll be a while but he did start off a bit slow mainly due to a bad Pat's team he was drafted to and later I believe it was the Redskins (not sure about the second team) but he did revive his career with the raiders. Just a late bloomer but hey ya never know.
Jim is overrated im glad he's not in and he won't ever get in hes like Phil simms
@eoe123321 ioi
Well eli has more yards and touchdowns and awards and franchise records.
@@properproper3876 Eagles fan here , we destroyed Eli he’s like 9 and 20 against us and to me it’s a no brainer Eli Manning is a Hall of famer
They beat an unstoppable Pat's team and a very goods Pat's team. Both on some amazing throws and great defense.
And the other 14 years?
Naw it was that defense. Randy moss was open all game and brady was getting killed. In fact that dline started the super draft heavy dline schemes
Hollywood MK he got in the top 10
In passing TD and yards
His D won that Superbowl...
.500 QB
That 2012 pats defense was awful, surprised the Giants didn't put up more points in that game
Shannon: Skip how many rings you got?
Skip: ......
Jay Thompson No he didn’t, but I thought it would’ve been funny 😄
Courtney Santos not funny at all my guy
Me: Eli, how many MVPs did you earn that should have gone to the defense?
Eli: 2. Plus many other games.
@@tomknapp6194 HOF'er FOR SURE!!!!!!!
@@kennyg5242 Sorry. Being lucky isn't qualification for the HoF. You see, a player actually has to be good and Eli was average at best. Trust me, you don't want to go there.
“If you have to ask, he doesn’t belong in”
Interesting
The hall of very ok!
@@adrianmccoy2643 Eli Manning has the best record in the playoffs of any QB in NFL history. Look it up on Five Thirty Eight - Nate Silver
@@ronaldshiffman9120 that doesn't mean anything. We are talking about Eli's WHOLE career not just playoff success
If that was the case it would be a lot smaller
@@abney_66 I am amazed that so many 'fans/experts' do not consider the entire roster that a QB plays with. I have been a Giant fan for over 50 years. I know the Giants. The Giant team that drafted Eli was very weak. During Eli's entire career, the roster NEVER got good. In every playoff game that the Giants won those super bowl years, the Giants were underdogs. That means the teams they beat had BETTER players. The winning difference in those games was Eli Manning. Patrick Mahomes is a good QB. But he has GREAT players on the Chiefs to play with - much better than Eli ever had.
I’m a 49er fan , I’ll talk about Eli Manning and his 2 rings for decades to come . He’s a big part of NFL history.
He had 2 of the greatest super bowl wins in history. I'm not a giants fan at all but he beat a legendary team with undefeated Brady and Moss. It's not the hall of statistics.
He beat the best twice in epic fashion! He went from 0 and 7 to get the wild card and beat Tom Brady was MVP 2 times. This question is already answered
Only reason they'll talk about it is because they beat Tom Brady and the Patriots. Not because Eli and the Giants were a dominant force in the league.
You are going to talk about how a below average QB was carried by the defense through 2 postseasons?
@@tomknapp6194what? The man was clutch in both of those playoff runs. Look at the opposition he played. He also had two of the best throws (and catches) in superbowl history
"You can't tell the nfl story without them"
2007 New England 16-0. Eli beat them. You can't tell the NFL story without this man.
Just bring up the defense
Since they beat brady
@@brettt141 well then Brady won 5 rings because his defense won him his 6th ring
Brett T the defense didn’t win MVP
@@brettt141 Wasn't New Englands defense ranked 4th and the giants 17th that year???
Yeah let’s do that then. Brady has 7 Bill has 1 ring the last Super Bowl but Without Brady they don’t get their
ELi will get in due to SBs, MVPs and fame by association(being a Manning). You have to say he's in because he beat Brady twice.
Fool me once shame on you...fool me twice....
Then Nick Foles is a HOF qb??? He beat tom brady
Shin Asuka but Eli is top 10 every stat. Js
B00fpack ' I think both should be in honestly.
Then Hall of Fame lose its meaning. It used to be for a game changer player, a era dominant player, with outrageous personal stat. And now because he just beat the greatest QB ever he should he in? (Giant defense that beat Brady btw)
Your legacy can be riddled with many flaws but sometimes it’s just that one shining moment that takes your identity into another stratosphere
Well said
Agreed…. I personally don’t think he’s hall of fame worthy but…he did beat the goat twice on the world’s biggest stage against that 07 pats team which is one of the greatest teams ever assembled on offense and defense… and he beat Brady again in 2011 against all odds lol. And got the mvp twice… If that ain’t hall of fame I don’t know what is.
@@TheSinimatik no regular season MVP, never considered best QB for any year, no first team all pros.. need more reason why he shouldn’t be in? He might get in but numbers say no
@@kingralo5954 I totally agree with you lol. This is the possible the most questionable case ever of hall of fame statistics… all I’m saying is, he beat the goat in his prime twice against all odds with the table incredibly stack against his team. And was super bowl mvp in both wins. Is that in itself not an incredible feat? Twice lol.
@@kingralo5954 True, the numbers say no, but it's not just about the numbers
That laugh when Skip asked him if he thought Eli deserved to be in told it all. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So we basically saying Eli shouldn’t be in the Hall on a bunch of what if’s? I don’t think that’s far. If Brady would have but he didn’t win. So let’s not take it away from Eli. He should be getting credit for making a big pass in the big game. Did Brady really define anything that QB do he is just a pocket passer. He didn’t change anything
SaLtyN00b Deion also said you should get if you dominated your position and it's safe to say, Tom brady dominated. The rings and numbers speak for themselves
Excellent points. Although i dont think you can really redefine the QB position at this point. Bradys skill was not as good as the other hall of fame QBs but he did what he needed to win over and over. The other guys i mentioned were more accurate and consistently had games where they shredded the other team with dozens of passes. Brady had a fee years where he did that too. He would just throw 10 or 15 times in a row and the other team couldnt stop it. But moon and breese and marino did that all the time.
SaLtyN00b I think they were more arguing that he shouldn’t get in on the fact that he had an average career record of 117-117 and was never a dominant player at his position, despite his longevity. This coming from a Giants fan
Roger Pope Troy Aikman never dominated 94 wins 75 losses. He was carried by a running game and defense. Wins and loses in regular season is more a team stat. I think the hall of fame is personal stats. He is 7th in best in yards and TD for QB. He beat Brady 2 times with lucky or great passes. Everyone trying say it was the defense Micheal Strahan couldn’t do it without Eli. Remember the Ravens destroying that team? Not saying he is First ballad hall of fame. There is QBs that never won anything that are in Jim Kelly. If they are in I think he should be some day.
Noooo some guys who don't deserve that gold jacket as we speaking smh the hall of of Fame should be the like skip said the cream of the crop less than 1% of players you need to be part of a revolution at your position and do something that replicated for years make whole generations modeled after you that a hall of fame caliber player and like skip said he should get a silver jacket for the hall of fame of very good
Joe Namath made the HOF and has almost 50 more interceptions than TDs in his career
ty Fhkk but he’s also the most overrated QB ever
Huger Humm facts!!
Huger Humm yet he is still in the Hall. Eli getting in
IMO, he's there because we really can't tell the story of the NFL without him. That guarantee, plus the actual Super Bowl win (even though I think Snell should've been the MVP), is forever sealed in NFL lore.
Different era
This man said Hall of “Very Good”
💀💀💀😂😂😂
He's right tho....
@@Thebucs14625 why you so pissy?
@@Thebucs14625 pressed?
Definitely a common term.
Yeah he can be in there with Tony Romo and Joe flacco
He won Two Superbowls with two SB MVPs, beating the GOAT Tom Brady twice. He’s in
Say it again louder for both hosts since beating the GOAT isn’t enough 🤦♂️
If he didn't win those would he still be in ? Lol
@@cazlonewolf5544 that's the entire point. He did so he's in. If Brady doesn't win 4 of those super bowls is he in? See how that makes the question ridiculous?
@@wolfregiment5679 If Brady doesn't have those 4 he's easily a Hall of Famer.... So instead of 7 rings... He'd have 3. With 10 SUPERBOWL appearances.
@@wild100sQ he doesn't have a goat case tho just like Eli doesn't have a HOF case. Leaving Context out of the situation can just as easily effect Brady when it comes to other arguments
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Ronde Barber isn’t in the HOF yet.
👀
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that the 2002 Bucs defense is the best of all time.
Robert__23 damn right!
@@robert__2357 idk bout that 2000 ravens was insane nd 85 bears
Robert__23 LOB Seahawks would like a word with you
He's a "Manning" , He's getting in.
archie couldnt even get in the league
Jay Towerz injuries
@@ikeplumo3377 you mean Cooper lol, Archie was a Pro Bowler
OJ oh yea lmao
Participation award
My thoughts after watching this: As a Giants fan, I believe he deserves to be in the HOF. As a non-biased fan, I really don't think so. But I will be glad if he ever does.
He deserves it. He beat brady both times he faced him and won mvp both times. That is enough.
@@drexlspivey3047So does Nick Foles deserve to get in?
@@drexlspivey3047 Eli didn't beat Brady. The Giants defense did. How many times in 2007 and 2011 did 17 or even 19 points beat the Patriots? Zero, if I recall correctly.
But, then the defense holds Brady to one of his worst games of the year and Eli still barely manages to win. Eli was just a long for the ride. If it was a 35-38 shootout, then you have a legitimate argument that he outperformed Brady. Barely outscoring him on his worst day of the year is not impressive.
Everyone says that the defense was a liability. They weren't. In both postseasons combined, they gave up an average of 15.1 points/game, none over 20, and an opposing passer rating of 74. And Eli still barely managed to win on lucky last second plays.
The idea that he was the MVP is so misleading. Without the defense doing what they did, both those "great passes" are mere footnotes in a blowout if just an average Patriots team shows up.
Those two rings and MVPs get him in. Also his last name helps a lot.
The committee does not take into account the amount of Superbowls a player wins when they're debating whether to induct a player or not.
@@randomstuff508 Ok, even if you consider the 4 games each time, 8 games total, that still makes up less than 4% of his career. What did he do with the other 96% plus? I'll wait.......
@@tomknapp6194 Reply to the wrong person?
By that logic edelman also need to be hof
@@randomstuff508 yeah right
Coming from a Cowboys fan..Eli Manning deserves to be in the HOF..Do I like him?Nope but you gotta respect his achievements.
His team achieved those. He was along for the ride and made a pass or two. The dude is a bad qb with a 500 recors. He shouldn't be in but will be put it because thats how the hall works.
Marcel Sansalone 2 MVPs but his team achieve those. But hey, what do I know
@@marcelsansalone3829 His team threw 366 TD's and 57k yards??? Okay buddy
Im a Patriots fan and i lean that way too.
No he doesn't...thanks for admitting you're an idiot though. The 1st step to solving a problem is admitting you have 1.
Skip just mad af that Eli took 2 rings from Tom Brady 😂
Word Romo is not even in the conversation!!! But I bet he would say he is lmfao!!!
@@troyevans9981 Romo was by far a better QB than Eli. And the facts, not opinions, support this. Do you wish to be educated on this?
@@tomknapp6194 LMAOOOOO show me those playoffs stats for romo sir ! I bet it won't be much to see !!!!!!
@@troyevans9981 You are talking about a few select games. I'm talking about a career. Do you still care to go there?
@@tomknapp6194 LMAOOOOO the few select was BETTER than what romo did in his WHOLE career 🤣🤣🤣🤫 no sir let not go there!!!!! END OF STORY!!!
I’m a packers fans and although his career had a major downfall, those two sb runs he made and game winning drives are beyond historic and deserves to be in the hof no question.
Between Jimmy g and Colin Kaepernick basically ruined Aaron Rodgers career I f****** love it another one overrated "but his touchdown to interception ratio is three and a half to one' I didn't know that 'he's the best"get the f*** out of Rogers is so overrated he got hot that one year in the playoffs hasn't done nothing since especially 0-4 v SF lol
What two super bowl runs he had won Aaron Rodgers he has one super bowl that's all he'll ever get O V E R A T E D
@@thomasmastantuno5988 Colin Kap should be in HoF.
Do you realize you are basing that argument on less than 4% of his career, even if you consider all 4 games from 2007 and 2011 in which the defense carried him most of the time? What did he do in the other 96% plus of his career? AVERAGE at best. So, do we look at the 96% plus or less than 4% of a guy's career?
@@thomasmastantuno5988 Do you realize that in six of Rodgers' elimination games the opposition scored 51, 37, 45, 44, 37, and 31 points. If you blame that on Rodgers, you don't understand football.
As a Patriots and Tom Brady fan...Eli deserves to be in the HOF. He beat my guy twice. TWICE!
SBG Gemini respect mate
Yeah, the way Eli played defense was fantastic..... Oh, wait.... The fact is that Eli was carried by the defense. If even an average Brady shows up, 17 or even 21 points is not remotely enough.
Twice on the biggest stage.
As Patriots and Brady Fan I agree. I mean how he evaded the Sack and throw that Ball up was simply amazing. just for that play he deserved it.
You're a Patriots fan if you speak this way.
The HOF is filled with good players. Very few of them are elite. Joe Namath is in the HOF with numbers that barely classify him as a average QB.
Mountain Boy shouldn’t matter
well said
@@dis6wood how does different time period not matter. Bart stars numbers would suck in today's era but no one in their right mind would say he doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame. Same with Sammy bauge or Roger Staubach or len dawson or otto Graham or terry Bradshaw. The era deffiantly matters
Mountain Boy Joe Namath’s stats weren’t that good then.
@@dolby8334 terry Bradshaw won 4 super bowls and played well in all of them. He isn't the greatest of all time but he deffiantly deserves to be in the hall of fame.
"You don't see general menagers saying i need to find the next eli manning"
Man that ain't what the giants gm was thinking
Lmao true
He was thinking, damn I can't find anyone else.
Aljoša Kapulica he was thinking why did we draft this bum first overall
i mean eli is bradys daddy
Daniel Jones looks like someone they would cast as Eli in a movie about the Mannings
Because of Eli, when we talk about the best teams of all time, we don't talk about the 2011 Patriots. Not only does he have 2 SB rings, he was the MVP of both. He has MORE WINS than several other HoF QB's. It still comes down to those 2 Super Bowls. Those 2 games make people ask the question, which Manning would you want in the last game, Eli or Peyton? If not first ballot, fine... Second ballot, he's in. He beat the GOAT twice in the big game, and got the MVP both times, making 2 iconic throws (Mario Manningham and David Tyree). I'm done, Skip.
U mean 07 pats
Eli was lucky in his Super Bowl wins.
No one also talks about the 2011 Giants.
Tom Brady doesn't play defense Eli beat the Patriots defense not Brady The Giants defense kept them in both games
Rivers, Romo, McNabb, Stafford, ...lots of QBs in this era you could probably argue were better QBs, but this is the Hall of FAME, not the hall of great stats. Eli took 'em to the show and won twice, so yes, deserves to be there.
I agree undoubtedly
Jim plunkett went to the super bowl twice and won both he's not in the HOF if Eli gets in Jim plunkett should get in
@@Dennis-nm1jm I agree. 💯
@@Dennis-nm1jmbro you cannot be serious 😅
There is no comparison. Romo was especially better, but he was never carried by the defense. It was all Romo or they didn't win.
Eli was carried by a defense that only allowed 15.1 points/game, no game over 20 points, and an opposing passer rating of only 74. And Eli still barely manage to win 5/8 games. And 2 of those were overtime games in which for both overtimes combined, he was 3/7, 17 yards, 1 sack for -10 yards, so 7 attempts, 7 yards. And he's given credit for both wins.
And even if it was all Eli in both SBs (which it clearly wasn't), SB wins should be the cherry on the cake. Not the whole cake.
If NFL won't put Eli in the hall of fame then, most likely WWE will because Vince be putting some of every body in his 💀💀. All jokes a side It's what ever.
Yooo I'm dead 💀
😂😂
WWE ran out of deserving candidates like 5 years ago. They just need people for the ceremony now lol.
once koko b ware became a hall of famer it was open season
@@lordpookie LMFAO
He was 78-57 with two Super Bowls rings. His stats were watered down since 2013. He had one more good year in 2016 but the giants didn’t help him since 2013.
The giants were awful after 2013
30 year Patriots fan here:
He belongs in.
But he sucks
Well said. Big of you to say that.
@@andrecheats being top 10 isn't a criteria for the hof. It's not purely about numbers either just ask TO or special teams players. There were none until recently. So it's very subjective. I don't think he's first ballot but his longevity, the bowls and the story behind them is very important. I think if a qb won back to back bowls and then got hurt or went somewhere else he'd be in w/o question because getting 2 rings is very hard. (I know they weren't back to back)
@@nunyabusiness863 naw flacco never threw more picks than td
@@andrecheats ill buy that. But the stories, the point in history are very very different. Thats why the library of congress has certain films that i think are trash but the criteria can subjective. Only 5 players are 2 time mvps i think right? thats significant to me but you may not think so. Subjective. He could be really on the fence in some minds which means he's out. To the guards at area 51, you're on the fence, you're in and it gets ugly. I can understand your point of view though.
It's not just the two Super Bowl wins. Its about an outstanding career in combination with those Super Bowl runs. Eli still holds the record for the most passing yards in a single postseason and only Tom Brady and Joe Montana have more postseason 4th quarter comebacks.
Just a simple question. Is a QB likely to have more yards in 3 or 4 games? The best QBs usually have a first round bye. So, let's be fair and compare the average of any QB that played 3 or 4 games.
Eli suddenly is no longer #1. He's not even in the top 10. He's 14. That's a big drop. His yards/attempt put him at 19th. Once again, below average results add up if given enough chances.
Brady came within 100 of breaking that record. Twice. In only 3 games. About 5 others were within 200, an easily attainable goal in today's league. Stafford was within 20 on about 30 fewer attempts.
This is a good example of Eli's career. The headline sounds really good, until the facts are examined. His whole career is a literal smokescreen of great headlines that are simply a half truth at best.
@@tomknapp6194 Of course a QB is more likely to have more yards in 4 postseason games than 3. But here are some of the QBs who had at least one postseason of 4 games: Jim Kelly, John Elway, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner and Matt Stafford. Yet it's Manning who holds that particular record.
@@citizenghosttown @citizenghosttown There is something you are seriously overlooking. Eli's yards/attempt was 7.5. The list I'm looking at only goes up to 28 and there is no Eli. Oh, yeah, #28 is at 8.0 yards/attempt, so below average Eli is probably around 50th all time in that stat.
He literally has this record simply because he had more attempts by a wide margin than the other QBs. There is no magic to throwing a lot more than everyone else for below average results. For this group, 7.5 is below average.
And that's the story of Eli's career. He has great headlines that tell a half truth at best. When the facts are examined, most of the time it is just an outright lie, like when they said something like, "Eli Leads Giants to SB Win Over Brady" He did no such thing either time. The defense did all the heavy lifting and Eli got all the credit for basically 2 passes. He would literally get credit for a win when he did nothing on the game winning drive. When they lost, anything and everything was blamed, but not Eli.
And outside of his iron man streak, the rest of his below average career comes with a huge asterisk. And it does not paint a pretty picture.
And I notice you didn't touch the fact that Brady almost broke Eli's record in 3/4 of the games it took Eli. Do you really think that if Brady had a 4th game, he wouldn't easily have that record? Twice?
@@tomknapp6194 Yup. Some of Eli's stats are not so impressive. But here's the problem. You can't, on one hand, claim that Eli's boosters are looking at only half the story and then claim that Eli won 2 Super Bowls with 2 passes. That's not a serious argument - it's a fraction of the story. The defense carried him? Hardly. In 2011 especially. He took a team with a mediocre defense and the worst running game in the NFL and carried the team on his back.
Bottom line is that he has a very unique resume and was, arguably, the most clutch postseason QB in NFL history. Check out the analytics over at 538. (You can pretend he got lucky, but nobody gets THAT lucky) That's why he'll waltz into the Hall of Fame.
As for Brady, it's not as if he never had a 4 game post season. He did. There have been dozens of QBs -- including several HOF QBs - who had 4 game post seasons. But it's Eli who holds that particular postseason record. And besides, it's not as if anyone is claiming Eli's anywhere near as good as Brady. But he was at at least as good as several QBs in the Hall.
an OUTSTANDING CAREER? LMAO
I’m going to miss the Memes .
Dude is top five of most memeable players
He’s just salty AF he’s the reason Brady don’t have 8 rings
Michael Wilkie True. He's mad that Eli was "Elite" when he played Tom Brady. While his Michael Jordan was undefeated and had 6 MVPs, Tom Brady wasn't "clutch" against Eli and has losses like his other favorite LeBron James in Championship games.
It's not about the 8 rings. It's about the UNDEFEATED RECORD (19-0) that the pats gonna have before eli come in and destroyed it in superbowl. From 18-0 to 18-1 and not winning the superbowl that season.
Michael Wilkie - Nope he has SIX!!!! Eat it!
The Manning brothers period lol they the reason Tom ain't got 12 rings
hes got 7 now
2 rings, 2 super bowl mvps, 7th all time in Passing yards, 7th all time in TDs, historic super bowl runs beating multiple HOF players in those games... im not sure where the conversation is.
wait, he's 7th for yards and TD's?? Damn. I love Eli Manning, but, I didn't know it was like that. He deserves it and Skip would be all over him if he were a Cowboy
Because being average for a long time does not make a great QB. For yards per attempt and TDs per attempt, he falls from top 10 to a bit 50 and 100. I don't have the exact numbers at the moment, but he is certainly not HoF material.
I actually normally love Skip’s HOF test, BUT Skip forgets Eli put up 2 TD drives (the first QB since Joe Montana to do that in the SB) against the Pats in the fourth quarter at the 2007 SB (he hit Tyree on a play-action pass to go up 10-7) and I am positive that he was the first QB to score a TD at the closing seconds of the SB when a field goal wouldn’t tie the game. We take for granted that Eli balled out in the playoffs. In 2011, the defense was ranked 32nd, gave up 49 points to the Saints in the dome, and our run offense was ranked dead last. How many guys LOST with more?? (Tom Brady, Bret Favre, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Aaron Rodgers all lost with more every year) I remember 2011, that defense got it together because it believed Eli could deliver. No matter how bad that team was (and we know he never had a great team because the Giants gave Eli all their money), its players always believed it had a shot because #10 was under center. That’s just objectively true.
The New York Giants defense was rank 27th overall not 32nd. The New England Patriots defense is rank 31st overall in 2011.
I guess the Giants drafting obj wasn't very good was it. The great Bill Belichick defense gave up 41 to the Eagles. The 33 points to New England Patriots put up in super bowl 52 was the highest score for a losing team.
2 TD drives in the 4th quarter? That's great! What did he do for the other 85% of the game to overcome the Patriots average of 37 and 32 points per game each season?
You can't tell the story of the NFL without mentioning the story of how the undefeated Patriots lost to Eli and the Giants. HOFer for sure
Not at all...and what you said is 1 of the dumbest things ever...his numbers alone say hes not HoFer.
@@BerryMckHawkener you mean top 10 all time passing yards, Completions, and passing TDs is not Hall of fame numbers
@@TheBouShea Hes a Patriots fan. No logic in his thinking
Dev Lalwani is Colin kap a hall of famed?
jeremy smith yes he leads the league in career ending plays
Top 10 in yards, top 10 in passing tds, 2 Super Bowl MVP’s, with one of the greatest runs by a qb ever and was never injured throughout his entire 16 year career, I think he is for sure a hall of famer
And played with 0 hall of Famer, so had no help his whole career
@@TheBouShea You need to actually go do some research...he only own those SBs because of how good is defense was....
Also led the league in interceptions lots of times, never led in TDs, was never MVP or even all-pro. He only got the stats he did because he played in a pass heavy offense for 16 seasons. When ur basically a meme for 5/6 years of ur career then u rlly don’t deserve to be in the hall of fame
Top 10 thing means absolutely nothing. Compare him to guys of his era not dudes from the 80s.
Daniel Matchett you said pass heavy offense I now can’t believe anything you say. Eli Manning didn’t have a pass happy offense until
His prime was over.
Im a die hard cowboys fan, Eli deserves to be in the HoF! period no doubts. Those 2 SuperBowl runs are two of the greatest Playoff runs of all time. Look at his SuperBowl runs vs his Brothers. Look at who he beat to get to Brady each time. Eli and the Giants was the last team into the playoffs each time and went on the road and beat everyone and then knocked off the GOAT twice and got SuperBowl MVP. idc about his 117-117 record, Nolan Ryan is considered by most as one of the greatest pitchers of all time and he was mostly a 50-50 pitcher and had almost as many walks as strikeouts as well. It happens, but he wont when it mattered too. Same with Eli, plus for Eli, he never missed a start to injury, he got smashed for years with garbage olines and never got hurt. if it wasnt for 1 terrible coach benching him he would have had more starts in a row than he does. He was tough as nails and was dependable and even as the end could throw it and make the throws that some guys now cant. Put him in.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please stop
Bruh, bruh
Seriously? Did you watch a majority of his career or just about 10 of 234 games? Those other 222 games are nothing special and definitely not worthy of the Hall.
No doubt?? Are you serious?
You can't tell the story of the NFL without including the QB that beat the 18-0 team in the Superbowl.
Straight up
4x pro bowl
Walter Payton man of the yr winner
2x SB champ(and mvp)
12x 20td passing seasons
7th most passing yards in nfl history
3rd longest iron man streak behind Favre and Rivers at 210straight starts.
This guy meant alot to the NFL over the course of his career and deserves the hall.
100%
4x pro bowl in 16 years? Do you seriously consider that to be a positive?
2x SB MVP? Where would those trophies be if the defense didn't hold Patriots teams that were averaging over 30 points per game to 14 and 17 points?
12x 20 TD passing season? That's because he threw A LOT! His TD percentage (TDs/100 attempts) was top 10 a meager 5 times in 16 years.
And once you factor in attempts, that 7th all time yards turns into 93rd all time yards/attempt. Behind such notables as Jay Cutler, Dante Culpepper, Rich Gannon, Baker Mayfield, Marc Bulger, Chad Pennington, and Ryan Tannehill. And he's also behind all of them in TD percentage, interception percentage, and passer rating.
Is any of this sinking in?
@@tomknapp6194 I’m so tired of people using what ifs so what about if the pats defense doesn’t hold the greatest show on turf to 17 points then what? Or what if Matt Ryan didn’t fumble the football on the most important drive of his life?? There’s two more super bowls stripped away from Brady as well. And stop acting like the 2011 giants defense was great when they were ranked 32nd they finally showed up in the playoffs. Who has the most passing yards of all time in a postseason not Tom Brady not Payton manning not drew Brees not Brett farve it’s Eli manning with 1219. Put some respect on the goat slayers name next time or at least kiss the rings.💍💍
@@Drewski269 He's a Cowboy Stan. He still bothered by the 07 playoff and the 11 win or go home game. There's no point in arguing with that Eli hater🤣🤦
@@Drewski269 first of that wasn't even his fault that he fumbled. Freeman had the worse chip block I've ever seen. Matt was looking for a wr who was open down the field
Skip with his "what ifs..." if we replace Eli with Dak hypothetically he'd be singing a different tune. Guranteed
If Dak manages to have half Eli's career and win a single Super Bowl, you KNOW Skip will be calling for him to be put in the HOF...
Not gonna lie Eli had some great teammates, I would call him the supporting cast to the teams he won with lol.. Dak has had good teams but definitely not the levels of either of those super bowl giants teams.
Lil Wooo osi, Justin tuck and Michael Strahan OMG lol that’s crazy if you think they’re trash
Lil Wooo Brandon Jacobs amani Toomer, Shockey, and Plaxico Burress... come on that was pretty solid lol Dak has had one like legit great receiver lol the rest are no names no cap amari Cooper is the best #1 he’s had 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don’t like Dak but he’s better than Eli imo lol
If Eli gets in that would diminish the hall of fame in my humble opinion. Hall of famers shouldn’t be mediocre for the majority of their prime
As a Giants fan I agree with you. But it's the fact that he took down an undefeated team on a once in a lifetime play that will get him in. Sometimes, just sometimes it's the moment that makes you. No denying he has that moment.
That play in the first super bowl was mostly luck. Great play yes but on David tyrees part. Also Eli missed the playoffs most of the time in his prime. He shouldn’t get in the hall of fame
@@georgegalarza6278 not first ballot
There are mid- players in the HOF who are in there based on their impact, not their stats.
I mean, Brett farve did throw almost 100 more interceptions than Eli and he's a "definite" hall of famer...
Shoot I feel like brett had way too many interceptions but yes brett had good moments but his ratio is horrible.
I never thought brett was a HOFer. Ive always argues he was over rated
@@stevenmata6299 exactly I agree with u
@@niners2162 and
Farve also threw for about 170 more TDs and 15,000 more yards lmao.
He 100% percent deserves it. Imagine having two super bowl mvps, being as clutch as he is, beating the best team the nfl has ever seen and not going into the hall of fame
Look at his numbers then ask yourself how you could be so stupid. Also that pats team wasn't even close to the best team ever....Best offense ever yes but not on defense. 85 bears and 70s steelers were miles above that pats team.
Austin White maybe they weren’t as good as the bears but definitely better than the Steelers. It’s also probably the biggest upset of all time
@@BerryMckHawkener He's 7th in all time yards and touchdowns. HOF stats too me
Imagine thinking because the man wins a super bowl MVP he deserves after a good playoff run deserves hall of fame. Step right up nick foles and joe ‘elite’ flacco
Daniel Matchett he did it twice both against the best quarterback in history that had not lost to anyone in the super bowl at the time
Eli was lights out that playoff game after Odell took the receivers to South Beach!
I’ve been saying we lost because the td drops and our cb getting hurt and playing the second half....
@NatarisX Big Facts bro it was pathetic
@Jay Battz All facts bro , he really gets a bad rap. Burress was easily a top 5 receiver & demanded a double team with Ahmad & Brandon. And yet da Giants still have the worst line in the NFL
@Jay Battz I will always remember that season after the first SB,.. they were the number one ranked team on their way to back to back,...
Didn’t they lose
He was apart of the greatest superbowl win beating undefeated Patriots
I mean, he did have the best underdog victory in SB history. And this is coming from an eagles fan
If Joe Namath is in the HOF then both Eli and me belong in the HOF
Exactly. To be in the Hall of Fame does not mean a player is the best or one of the best.
As if football were not a team sport.
@@johniec5282 that's exactly what it means though or everyone would be in it. Also you should read up on him. He was better than his numbers indicate and his persona transcended the sport. It's a reason he was called Broadway Joe.
@Mountain Boy Well, then Hall of Fame is a misnomer, it should be Hall of most popular,
@Mountain Boy That is exactly my point. It is what should mean, but in actuality it is not.
Namath should not be a Hall of Famer according to the correct criteria.
I guess not every player is a Montana or L.T .
No, because namath isn't in for his production. He changed the game through style and promotion. His character brought viewers to the sport. Manning is both boring AND good, but not great.
I have to agree with Skip on this one. I've never thought much of Eli Manning but if he gets in, good for him.
I actually agree with skip on this one, I mean if you look at Eli's stats they're pretty pedestrian and could even be considered lower than average at the time, but that always comes back to how much winning matters in a players legacy.
Yup we beat Brady twice 😎 that should count for a lot 😂
Eli was literally a below average QB. In his 16 years, his passer rating was below the NFL average 9 times. In 5 of the other 7, he was no more than 3.8 over the average, or still just average. In only 2 of 16 years, he was not just barely above average.
Something else to think about is that he was 2-0 vs Brady in the SB. But, he was also 117-117 against the Jay Cutlers, Carson Palmers, Rex Grossmans, Andy Daltons, and dozens of other average/below average QBs.
In fact, his yards and TDs per attempt are exactly the same as Andy Dalton. But, Dalton had a better completion percentage and lower interception percentage. So, Eli was literally just a worse version of Dalton, who most would not think was better than average.
@@dark12ain and he sucked in literally every other season he played
@@dark12ain yeah but the thing is that’s just 2 games, sure there very important games but your entire legacy shouldn’t be on 2 games out of 234 career starts
@@andrewsucksatvideos4482 you acting like they were two regular season or preseason games. It was the SUPER BOWL and it was their perfect season too it was more than just 2 games.
You ever notice how every argument Skip Bayless makes starts with the word "if"? Like what happened didn't actually happen.
"If Eli didn't win those superbowls he wouldn't be a hall of famer" - Skip logic
Eli is overrated. That 2011 SB appearance was helped from ref quick whistled of a fumble by Giants RB in the NFCCG against the Niners.
@@vivianthom4801 no to mention a SB appearance that was awarded to them by the refs at Lambeau Field.
The guy is top 7 or top 8 an all-time completions all-time yards all-time touchdowns. Ahead of a lot of Hall of Famers + only one of five people with two Super Bowl MVPs
@@vivianthom4801 - He sure is... but I don't care.
Jose Vargas, uhhh yeah that helped with the rules protecting QBs and WRs era. 🤣
Didn't hurt Warner get in the HOF with very comparable stats just one MVP to differ
Adust Gaming Kurt Warner had exceptional seasons when he started all 16 games. He’s only had 3 seasons where he did that. When healthy Kurt was transcendent. Eli Manning outside of the playoffs was just above average.
He’s the last quarterback to have won mvp and win a super bowl the same year so that’s pretty significant in a way
Kurt Warner never lead the league in INTS, Manning did it three times. Stop.
@@anthonypatterson8796 why should I stop? It's my opinion and ultimately what are the chances he doesn't get in period. He is a Manning with two rings, they'll put him in regardless of what you or I think
Kurt Warner from 99-2001 was the best qb in the nfl. Eli was never close to that, or even second or third. It was AlWAYS Tom and his brother, then Rodgers and Brees, and Ben. I would have Phillip Rivers above him.
When they finally let Ken Stabler and his unimpressive numbers in, they lowered the bar for future candidates in my opinion.
They felt guilty because Stabler had CTE, and had just died
That's just stupid.
You can't compare qbs of Stabler's era to today's qbs.
Different game back then.
Stabler was one of the best qbs in the game during the time he played. He led the raiders to 5 consecutive conference championships and a super bowl win. He led the raiders to a 68-25 record during his time there. He was the AFC MVP 1974 and 1976 and a member of the 1970s All-Decade team.
By your logic Bradshaw, Staubach and Aikman probably shouldn't be in the hall.
@@user-sb1vz9pv5y @Michael Jackson I never compared him to anyone. Where'd you get that from? He does have a weak career stat line hence the many years of resistance to letting him in and your copy/paste job from Wikipedia doesn't change that. Now people think Jim Plunkett belongs in with even weaker numbers but alas he has two Superbowl rings so that warrants induction right? Ok whatever I guess. As far as Bradshaw, Staubach, and Aikman goes, yes I think they belong in the HOF. Your hero Troy Aikman was an above average QB on a great team. His career numbers are actually slightly lower than Jay Cutler's who likey won't ever make it onto a ballot for voting. Ok now I compared two QB's from different eras. Yes Troy played in a rougher era when head injuries weren't taken as seriously as they are today but he still has weaker numbers than Cutler but since he did lead that great team he deserves to be in. Hey maybe Cutler deserves to be inducted when he's eligible? After we get Jim Plunkett in, let's campaign for Cutler and while we're at it change the name of the Hall of Fame to the Hall of Good.
Statistics don't mean diddly. Winning 2 super bowls means Eli is a two time champion. That means something.
@@ronaldshiffman9120 So is Jim Plunkett. How about all the other average QB's that led their teams to Superbowl glory ( lots of them ). Let them in too? Statistics do matter that's why those QB's aren't in. Eli Manning does have hall worthy numbers IMO. Look up two time champion Jim Plunkett and decide for yourself if he belongs in as many feel he does.
Eli Manning played great when it mattered most
This is exactly what rodgers doesn’t do 😂
@@bobnob1376
What about Super Bowl 45
What about against Chicago week 17 2013
What about against Dallas in the playoffs in 2014
What about Arizona Divisional round 2015
How about Dallas Divisional round 2016
At Dallas 2017
Chicago Week 1 2018
Seattle divisional round 2019
@@is8807 he has one ring
Fame: the state of being known or talked about by many people, especially on account of notable achievements.
Now debate
Eli seems to fit that bill.
Then jamarcus russle needs to be in the discussion as well
@NatarisX lmaoooooo 🤣🤣🤣
But he is famous, like all good football players. Are all good football players hall of famers? They're all known, but you have to be absolutely exceptional to deserve to be in the Hall of Fame. Peyton does. Brady does. Eli? Maybe.
I guess all big name New York players should be in the Hall of Fame then. Mark Sanchez was once one of the most famous QBs in the NFL, mainly because he played in big market New York.
Can't spell ELITE without ELI! 😉😊
Lol
16 yrs and only 2 decent ones. Yea. Real elite
larry burroughs wonder how many your Qb got 🤷♂️
@@bilalamarumosi8282 Hilarious when folks compare 16 year vets to the newer QBs game 😂😂
@@spenddollarzent my qb got 6 rings....
Deion nailed it!!
Eli was a clutch QB when leading the offense down the field in under 2 minute situations to win. He was great in the post season games. His regular season career was not as good though. When he was on he was dead on, but when he was off he was really bad. Still the he deserves the HOF though.
Eli missed the playoffs 10 times out of 16 Lead the league in interceptions three times
Eli was clutch? I guess the fact that the defense held the Patriots to 23 and 15 points below their season average didn't factor into those narrow last second wins......
Through both postseason, Eli had to rely on multiple pro bowl QBs to have one of their worst games of the year and still barely managed to win. I don't see anything special about that.
2 Super Bowls
2 Super Bowl MVPS
7th all-time in passing yards
7th all-time in passing touchdowns
What more is there to think about?
Nothing
2nd or 3rd Ballot Hall of Famer
Exactly, there is no argument lol
Kaleb Ward hes also 2nd highest game streak not missing a game
how subpar his career was outside of 2 SB runs where the team was 8-8
@bepaetzold 11 of the top 15 in INT are in 2 Hall and 1 of the 4 not in is P Manning. So very obviously they voters dont care
Eli stayed playing too long, watered down his numbers. Should've retired way sooner. That's it.
His record also wouldn't be 116-116 which makes his numbers look way worse due to the last few years of an incompetent front office who couldn't make up their mind between replacing him or rebuilding around him till they found a replacement.
@@BerryMckHawkener they tried. The fans cried and whined to the front office. To let him start.
Legit imagine if Lebron decides to play till he's 50 and ends up bringing his average down to 40% somehow. People would know. But in a 100 years, they'd say he was overrated looking at his career averages
@Sponge Bob I'm not comparing. It's just a hypothetical hyperbole. Don't be one of those idiots that dissects the comparison and misses the actual point. It's a waste of everyone's time
@@john50beach18 Eli's average was terrible in his prime. He never finished a single season top 10 in passer rating. Not once in his entire career. Eli lead the league in interceptions 3 times. His first time was in 2007, the same year he won his first Super Bowl. The 2nd time was in 2010, the year before he won his 2nd Super Bowl. Eli is like Joe Flacco, except he got hot in the playoffs twice instead of once.
It seems to me that there is a need for a Hall of Very Good, or some second-tier recognition system for all the talent that has come through the league in the past few decades. Future HOF candidates could then be pulled from there. The queue has been backing up, and it's better to celebrate and recognize these players while they are still alive.
I’m a cowboys fan but you can’t tell the story of the NFL with out Eli . 2 time Super Bowl champ beating one of the best QB ever. He belongs in
With that logic Nick Foles is in too…
If you told the story/history of the NFL to an alien. You will end up saying Eli Manning’s name. That’s HOF. Congrats Eli.. this is coming frm a Cowboys fan too
DAM STRAIGHT!!! WELL SAID MY GOOD MAN!!! AND ANYBODY WHO THINKS THAT HE SHOULD NOT HAVE A GOLD JACKET, IS JUST A HATER WHO DOESN'T TRULY KNOW THE GAME OF FOOTBALL, AND WHO ALSO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING INVOLVED WITH PLAYING THE QUARTERBACK POSITION!!! BECAUSE IF U LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE FACT INVOLVING HIS CAREER, ELI MANNING "MOST DEFINITELY" DESERVES FOOTBALL IMMORTALITY!!!!!!! AND TO ALL OF U NEGATIVE ELI MANNING HATERS OUR THERE .......JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S STRAIGHT FACTS SON!!! AND U CAN TAKE THAT......... STRAIGHT TO THE BANK!!!!!! LOL 😆😎💪💯🏆🏈
@@kennyg5242 I'll admit that I don't follow the HoF inductee process, but until Eli, I don't think that I have ever heard part of his qualifications to be in the Hall as, "You can't tell the story....." Think about it. If you have to make something like that up to convince people he's worthy...... He's not. And facts? I have plenty of them to say that he's not. A list of 30 in fact. What do you have in his favor? Maybe 2 or 3? And most of yours are about lucky games meanwhile mine are about an entire career.
Eli doesn't have the credentials. I'm a Giants fan, honestly his number's don't warrant it. What Eli has are the moments. In my opinion the Tyree throw is the moment in Superbowl history. On that he'll get in. I hope he does, as a fan.
@@kennyg5242 so someone with a 500. Record like Eli who went 118-118 in his career is hall of fame worthy? Lmfao hahaha good one
Can't tell the story and for NFL without Nick foles and it beating the Patriots and super bowl 52 is he your Hall of Famer with the MVP also
Beating a Dynasty in the Super Bowl TWICE and being named Super Bowl MVP both times out of it is First Ballot Hall of Fame worthy.
After all, the most important prerequisite of being a Hall of Famer is that *the history of the game CANNOT be written without that player.* No, I'm not making this up. That actually is part of the criteria for being a Hall of Famer. Can anyone give me a convincing argument on how you can write the history of the NFL without beating the Dynastic New England Patriots twice in the Super Bowl, one of which spoiled a Perfect Season literally at the last minute, and being named MVP in both games? Anyone? I thought so.
No its not
Being Super Bowl MVP at QB is not that big of an achievement. If u can win the game, Anything short of a horrendous performance will grant you the MVP
Dion R so you can be mediocre for your entire career and just have 2 memorable runs in the playoffs that erase all of that? 🤔 Eli will make it to the HOF but it’s questionable whether a mediocre QB like him deserves it
@@jayjones9225 Well if you're mediocre in generic games but go lights out in 2 superbowl runs, I'd say you're deserving. After all, someone who's great for 16 regular season games, but chokes in the playoffs shouldn't be in there either, regardless of stats
Knock it off if he in then my friend you should be too
Also as Eagles fan this argument theyre making is also why Cunningham should be in Canton he reinvinted the game.
Ben Roethlisberger to Santonio Holmes is the best throw in super bowl history. That won the game!!
The only thing Eli got going for him is his 2 rings against Brady, other than that his career and stats are the definition of average. If he does make the HOF he is NOT a first ballot talent.
Nah, it's no doubt above average.
Eric Heart ok but even if his stats are above average they not great. The HOF demands not just great but all time great
@@pieman6178 I'm on the fence with the HOF deal with him.
7 all time in pass yardage! Ironman who never missed a game. Far from average.
okay put QB's that stay losing to brady then lmao imagine losing to brady
Yes, he does belong in the HOF. He had a perfectly respectable regular season career and beat the greatest ever TWICE on the biggest stage.
Jonathan Straka he isn’t the GOAT it’s that he has a bunch of rings
I love how they leave out so much in their "debate". Eli is top 10 in every category that matters to a QB. Top 10 in yards thrown, touchdowns, and completions. Only 4 QBs in NFL history have won more Super Bowls than him. He made the careers of Mario Manningham, Victor Cruze, Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Plaxico Burress, Odell Beckham, and Jeremy Shockey. EVERY one of those guys left the Giants and their careers folded. Odell has a long career ahead of him, but he's not looking so hot anymore! He's in good company though! All those guys mentioned above had great seasons with Eli at QB. What do you expect when you have a QB that's top 10 all time at every important QB metric. He's going to have lots of people putting up big stats. A hall of famer makes everyone around him better. That's exactly what Eli did. 1st ballot hall of famer. The Giants roster was mishandled for MANY years after his two Super Bowls. Every GIants fan will tell you how terrible Jerry Reese became at managing a roster. He let his offensive line regress and never fixed it. Giants fans screamed out for years: "Fix the O-line! Get rid of Ereck Flowers! He's terrible!". They rode that wave for years and Eli payed for it. The O-line was so bad that they had to navigate an entire offense around it because Eli was getting touched on just about every play. So they made an offense that would get the ball out of his hands on every play within 3 seconds. It completely limited his game.
Thats the whole point of the game. he is the GOAT
He has 366 td to 244 ints, you just write anything on here huh? And all the qbs you named that still puts him in the top ten
Jonathan Straka Who’s the greatest ever? Wait you’re talking about Brady? Lmao yea ok
Yes he should be. The giants have failed Eli at just about every turn and still he found a way to beat the evil empire TWICE and won MVP both times. On top of that he is top ten in all major passing categories. And he’s not the only quarterback he wasn’t an all pro and made the hall of fame, Troy Aikman was never an all pro but he made the hall of fame. Also Eli has made more or equal pro bowls to a few different hall of fame quarterbacks. For example Terry Bradshaw only made 3 pro bowls. Ken stabler made 4 pro bowls same as Eli and both of them are in the hall of fame. The final reason is that Eli is just an awesome dude of the field hence wining the 2016 Walter Payton man of the year award. And I rest my case.
The 2011 Patriots defense was ranked 31st in the league so he didn't beat anybody good everyone says the Patriots had two great defense when Eli beat the Patriots play them 2007 they will ranked forth that's a great defense 2011 ranked 31st they shouldn't have been there
Eli Manning played 16 seasons, and the Giants only made the postseason 6 times; thats bad. And of those 6 seasons, he o ly had a bye-week once. He was never mentioned as an MVP candidate in any season.
Jim plunkett won 2 super bowl also he's not in the HOF
No point to really debate it because we all know Eli is getting in. The Hall of Fame in the NFL, NBA and especially MLB have become begrudgingly flawed within recent times. T.O. not being 1st ballot was ridiculous; All-Time Greats like Barry Bonds, Clemens, etc. not being in (regardless of steroids allegations) is blasphemous - especially when a role player guy like Harold Reynolds gets in; and no disrespect intended, but cats like Vlade Divoc & Sabonnis are definitely not legit HoF’ers. These voters need to get out of their feelings & make the right decisions.
Eli Ending stats...
4,895 Completions - 7th All-Time
57,023 passing yards - 7th
366 TD's - 7th All-Time
210 Consecutive Games started - 3rd All-Time
4x Pro Bowl
2x SB Champion
2x SB MVP (as mentioned n the video Only 4 others have accomplished this feat)
He's definitely a HoF maybe not a first ballot, but I can definitely see Eli Joining his brother in Canton imo...
Stats don’t matter when quarter backs cant get a ring. Now when a QB has rings and is top ten all time in comebacks, Passing Yards & Touchdowns 2-0 Against Brady and Bill B in the SB. He isn’t a H.O.F. Has to be the dumbest thing ever to question. saints and packers should have dumped their quarterbacks long ago because Brees hasn’t won since 09 and Rogers 10. Longer time, better talented teams and one less ring then Eli. Nuff said
Eli told Brady "You will remember me."
Eli doesn't even deserve to speak to Brady. Eli is the most overrated player to ever play the game - an awful QB.
@@michealocaoinlean6176 cry
Lol what? Brady has more rings than the entire Manning family
@@ahmedrahim2500 Tainted Rings
@@XBC3-4GOTY sure bud whatever helps you sleep at night
*Eli was already a HOF by 2016* If he had retired in 2016, his stats would have been across the board better than Troy Aikman and Warren Moon, for example. His win/loss % would have been 20 games above 500.
Wait a minute you're saying so because Eli did not miss his throw and if Tom Brady wouldn't have missed.... Are you kidding me the point is Eli didn't miss and Tom Brady did twice quit taking his credit away and giving it to the defense.... so he outplayed the Patriots defense Brady didn't out play the Giants defense
That part was the greatest mental gymnastics I've ever seen! If Brady hadn't missed and Eli did, then he wouldn't have 2 Superbowl MVPs (just 1. Lol) that was a stretch Armstrong reach! 😂
Jose. He made a couple throws. If he played better he wouldn't have needed those lucky throws at the end. Check his stats for those games. Not very good
Jeremy James lmao these “if” arguments are hilarious. But the thing is he *DID* win 2 SBs against the Pats who were expected to destroy the Giants. In some of the best Super Bowls of all time. Whether you like it or not he’s getting in the HOF lmao
@@jeremyjames1659 and IF brady played better he would have won...IF Eli had a better team he would have made the playoffs more...IF recievers don't drop balls...IF....IF....IF...SHUT UP... He DID win 2 sb mvps....1 of 5 to ever do it...you cant give the team all the credit for winning then turn around and blame the losing on him....
Riddle me this Batman... Why did every one of the Patriots Super Bowls come with some kind of controversy....
This man deserves to be in the Hall of Fame!
Shannon, you for damn sure deserve to be in there!
Troy Aikman:12 year career - 165 games, 165 TDs, 141 INTs, (1.17 TD to INT ratio), 199 yards per game average, 81.6 career QB rating. 3 Super Bowls, 1 MVP.
Eli Manning: 16 year career - 236 games, 366 TDs, 244 INTs, (1.5 TD to INT ratio), 241 yards per game average, 84.1 career QB rating. 2 Super Bowls, 2 MVPs.
I think if Troy Aikman got in with in generally softer QB numbers Eli should get in also.
Eli is the only player that can say he beat Tom Brady twice in the super bowl
So if Nick Foles beats Tom Brady, one more time, I guess Foles is in
@@vicepresidentmikepence889 I don't think he said that is the sole reason someone should make the hof
Omni Pepper Eli was legendary on the 2SB runs. He beat Romo, Farve, and Brady in 2007 and Matty Ice, Aaron Rodgers, Alex Smith and Brady in 2011. When he was needed- he was there. Case closed.
If Eli gets in the HOF then Flacco should be able to along with Rivers thats if we are setting the bar this low
Flacco has knocked Tom Brady out of the playoffs what 3 times? 2 at the least
Eli should absolutely be in the HOF. 2x super bowl champ AND super bowl MVP. 4x Pro Bowler. 7th in Passing yard ALL TIME. 8th in TDs ALL TIME. The dude had a overly successful career for an NFL QB.
Hall of fame is a place where legends of the game belong..at no point was Eli considered a legends except for beating Brady twice in the Super Bowl..other than that he was probably the 5-6 best qb of his time behind Brady, Rodgers, Peyton, Brees and Big Ben..
@@polloramoskz3 but you just ruined your own argument, he was a legend twice, his SB runs were defined by his 4th qauter comebacks. His throws to manningham and tyree are considred two of the best plays inf NFL history. Is that not legendary? what shannon said speaks for itself. Only 5 qbs to win 2 superbowls and 2 mvps and Eli is one of them. If Farve is a HOF for being great in the regular season and mediocre to terrrible in the playoffs, than Eli is HOF for being medoicre/terrible during the regular season and clutch in the playoffs. Sure talk about the playoff runs where they lost it was his fault, but the ones they won were also because of him. The HOF is for people who trancend football and those two superbowl runs do that no question and thats HoF worthy. Ask Tom Brady if hes a HoF oh wait, they did and he said yes. No one cares about the regular season, when its 10 years down the line.
@@richardwolf9149 Just one point (out of many)..... Eli was not clutch in the playoffs. Maybe you forgot about his other 4 "SB runs"? Let me summarize: 4 playoffs, 4 games, 4 losses, 3 crushing defeats, 1 shutout, a combined 3 TDs, 7 ints, a 54 passer rating, and 1 game over 169 yards. I don't see "Mr. Clutch" there. Where is he? The main difference is that those times he was not carried by the defense. Eli literally never beat a playoff team that scored more than 20 points. Just let that sink in a bit........
those 2 runs were clutch and for the HoF today thats all u need, they also beat a 18-0 team which will never happen again, and thier rushing in 2011 was ranked 32nd and eli had almost 5,000 yds i think like 4900 or something
@@richardwolf9149 So, basically you want to put him in the HoF for 2 of 8,119 pass attempts to score 17 and 21 points against Patriots teams that were averaging 35 (2007) and 32 (2011) per game and call him the hero and worthy of the Hall? Eli literally had to rely on Brady (2007 and 2011), Romo (2007), and Favre (2007), all pro bowl QBs those years, to have their worst game of the year and he still needed a slew of lucky plays to barely pull out a last second wins against teams that didn't score over 20 points when those same teams averaged 35 against the very same defense in the regular season. And all this was because of Eli? Please elaborate. To me, it sounds like the if the defense didn't finally do their job, the Giants 21 (2007 vs Cowboys), 23 (2007 vs Packers), 17 (2007 vs Patriots), and 21 (2011 vs Patriots), would have all been blowouts and those "clutch plays" (I'm sure Eli closed his eyes on the first one, maybe both) would have just been little footnotes on lucky plays that didn't matter.
I'm a huge NY Giants fan, born and raised in the city. CAN COLLECTOR!? Skip that can collecter, beat your idol (THE GOAT) twice in the greatest moments ever. On the biggest stages ever,how dare you?
When Shannon Sharpe mentions "who did he play against", he is AT THE BOTTOM OF ALL THEM of the ones he mentioned. And it's not close!
Damn, the disrespect! 😭😭😭
He going to the HOF stop playing wit bruh
Yeah but doesn’t deserve it
Jordan Bledsoe 😂 Can you give me 5 reasons why he should make it
@@christophershanklin112 The dude is 7tg in all time yards and tds tho
Omni Pepper lol Yupp and lead the league in INT’s 3 years,Mention his flaws too next time
Chris Shanklin Brett farve led the league in interceptions 6 times yet he’s in the HOF. This is why people like you look idiotic when u say eli isn’t a HOF. Especially when you want to bring up his bad stats which are heavily outweighed by his good stats.
He just took away one his rings and MVP with a, well if he just catches the ball....ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDIN ME.
Yah agree with Shannon here, maybe he doesn’t deserve it but at the same time he got the accolades to back it up
Eli's two Superbowls were the greatest Superbowls I've ever seen.
Pats Seahawks and pats falcons were better games
Yeah but the defense, and the coach deserve more credit.
That throw to Manningham in SB46 gets no credit at all. Its a shame. Such a money throw in money time.
It’s only great cuz Pats lost
Where’s the lie?
@@andrewssportsden9396 yeah a bad throw manningham bailed him out on
Skip would say Eli should go in if his three letters name was spelled D A K.
If an "IF" was a fifth Skip, we'd be all effed up...SMDH
Eli has a very small window to get in. He retired a couple years early to get to the eligible line ahead of Brady, Breese, Roger's, rothlisberger.... he has like a 2 year window or else he sits for a decade
I'm not a New York Giants fan, but, if you were to ask me, personally "In your opinion, does Eli Manning deserve to be in the Pro Football Hall-Of-Fame?", I would say "Yes.".
On the top of that, he should also have his #10 retired & go into the New York Giants "Ring Of Honor", in my opinion.
@@ArgentineFootballfan1978 Eli robbed Brady of a perfect season as well as two Super Bowls. Went 2-0 against him in the big game. Nothing Brady did against Eli from that point on could make up for that.
Skip, if you have to take away a players stat to prove a point, you’ve lost the argument. The fact that you are trying to say “what if this happened” or “if this didn’t happen...” means that you don’t really have a fair point in the side of the argument you are trying to defend. Stop taking away players stats to prove a point it’s absurd and not accurate at all.
O K His stats aren’t that good lmfao... of course he’s high up on cumulative stats, he’s been playing in the passing era for 15 mediocre years (Look at Frank Gore is he at all comparable to Barry Sanders?), if you adjust stats for era and compare it to his contemporaries he’s nothing special at all
@@harryheinrich5626 frank gore at least gets respect because he was the only weapon on bsd san fran teams and still moved the rock. Also, durability in a position with the shortest shelf life. Even then though gore is super debatable. However, that durability is what gets him talked about and why hes breaking records.
That's was not the case at all. Tell me one team in the last 20 years that's made the playoffs with a bottom tier defense? Of course any team is gonna get blown out with a bad defense that's common knowledge. Look at how many game winning drives Eli has had and tell me the names you see around him but cant carry a team in close games???
Art Vandalay the chiefs last year?
Like I said, compiling volume mediocre stats is not impressive. This isn’t the same as Lebron James or Tom Brady, who have had an extended period of GREATNESS, playing for a long time mediocrely is not impressive....
Also, even though it sounds like I’m bad mouthing Frank Gore I’m not. It’s just simply he isn’t as good as Barry Sanders and him continuing to compile stats won’t ever change that.
We can’t just look at volume stats & just say that’s good enough for the HOF, his whole career isn’t HOF worthy.
@@harryheinrich5626 on the note of gore, i don't think anyone is placing him in the top 10 HBs of all time purr from skill. Because he's nowhere near as good as them. But, thr durability argument works for him (and mainly him not Eli) because of thr demand from the position in physicality on a day in day out basis. That's not an argument you can make for QBs unless that QB is cam.
Yes he gets in. 7th all time TDs, 7th all time yards, 2 super bowls, more passing yards than Elway. Did Elway get in? He did.
You cannot directly compare QBs of even more than about 5 years. Today's pass happy league/pamper the QB league is not the same that Aikman, Montana, Marino, etc played in. Put Eli in that league and he's out in less than a year.