'Tom Brady not only saved Bill Belichick, he then made Bill Belichick' - Skip | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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- Skip Bayless discusses Bill Belichick's coaching legacy and whether Tom Brady should be credited with helping bring Belichick all his success in New England.
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'Tom Brady not only saved Bill Belichick, he then made Bill Belichick' - Skip | NFL | UNDISPUTED
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/ undisputedonfs1 - Sport
Who deserves more credit for Patriots dynasty: Tom Brady or Bill Belichick?
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED bellichick because he runs the entire team instead of one position
Michael Jeffrey Jordan deserves all the credit.
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED
Is this a re-upload? Bill Belichick is the answer.
The dude went 11-5 with Matt Cassel. If Brady leaves the Patriots and turn a middle of the pack team into a playoff team then I will change my view.
Everyone want to forget when Bill was the HC of the browns their record was 36-44 and one playoff And that was his only winning season. And yes his has two Superbowl rings with the gaints but he wasn't the Head coach. Brady saved bills job
The player goes out there and perform no such thing as a coach made a player. Either you have or you don’t you can’t teach that at qb if not every team would have a good hof qb
they are destined to have this conversation until one of them dies .
Lol for real
🤣🤣
No kidding, unless... If and only if they break up, and meet in the SB lol. If Brady goes NFC for one final stint, and if he makes it to the SB, while Billechick makes it to the SB w/o TB to clash. That is the only way we would see which one weighed more than the other. Tho it is unfair for TB given his age, but meh, still would be interesting to see
God pigeon I thought you meant Shannon and Skip lol I was thinking they both older then 50 in good shape lol
Unseatedtree395
I am
Belichick was 36-44 as head coach of the browns. He was also 5-11 with the patriots in 2000. The year before brady became the starter. I would say brady is the X Factor...
Skip killed him with history that no one likes to talk about.
Yeah those were good points.. I’m taking Brady
I legend What about the year Brady got hurt or the year when he missed 4 games or did that not happen?
Bill is the only reason they have those 6 SB
@@mildsthatyac2097 yeh the only reason? Cause he never won anything till brady played soooo
I legend He already had 2 as a defensive coach and Brady has never won a super bowl without a top 10 defense so...
All i'm going to say about this is that Shannon promised that he would never mention Aaron Rodgers in the same sentence as the GOAT ever again.
Rodgers and Brees are both equally overall as good as Brady and have been for many years. Those are 3 amazing quarterbacks. What Brees has done is arguably even more impressive than Brady because he is 5'11. He literally has to stand on his tippy toes to throw a pass and it doesn't take away from his accuracy.
Brees also plays in a dome and has one super bowl to Brady's 6. Brady also leads in all-time career passing yards and touchdowns. Brees and Rodgers are great, but they arent even greater than Peyton.
@@thebayareastandout Brady would have alot more records in passing than Brees if he was required to throw more. But he hasnt been. Brees had alot of 7-9 years where he had to chuck it the whole time. Brady would get the game in hand by the 3rd quarter and just have to start handing it off.
@@WarriorAngel001 Who told you Brady led in career passing yards? I literally just watched yesterday on ESPN that Brady is trying to catch Brees passing yards record this season. Brees is number one NFL history in passing yards with 74,845. Brady is number 2 with 72,506. Brady does lead Brees in passing touchdowns by 6 tds. They both have 22 career rushing tds.
@Jason Cherry: I said all time career. That combines playoff and regular season stats. Peyton Manning is #2 in passing yards and TDs there. When they say "career", they only speak of regular season stats with the intentional exclusion of the playoffs, something I've always found to be ridiculous.
All kidding aside, Skip actually debated really well here. Convinced me lmao.
Nonetheless the fact that the roster composition is all Belichick's doing makes it at least 50/50 lol.
Just facts. I say Brady 80% Billy 20%. The games are played on the field not the sideline
@@MicMucique2 Sure but how can you give Brady over 50 if the defence is on the field half the time? And isn't Belichick the orchestrator of that stifling defence?
@@natanl because Brady on the field half the time means more to the game THATS BEING PLAYED ON THE FIELD ALL OF THE TIME VS SOMEONE THATS ON THE FIELD NONE OF THE TIME
@@MicMucique2 Lol why are you yelling? No doubt Brady is great. But we've seen Matt Cassell, Jacoby Brissette, and Jimmy G do really well in the NE system. Isn't that a testament to just how great Belichick's scheme is? I think you are downplaying his contributions to the team's overall success. Have this defence? I saw some fact they would be 3-3-1 without the offence lmao. Insane. And you say coach doesn't matter as much, but just look at Jared Goff before and after the hiring of McVay. Night and day.
Doctor: you have 3 days to live Mr. Bayless
Skiup: Hhmm
How about a big NOOO
unoriginal
Skip: This has to do with number 2 giving up on my spurs!
Spat out my M&Ms!!
But once again, MY QUATERBACK has the HIGHEST QBR in the NFL! You can't refute that!
I think Dak deserves the credit cause his QBR is higher than both of theirs.
Dak‘s QBR is higher than Belichick‘s. Credit where credit is due 😤
Lol!!!!
Hahaha and no rings or mvps to show it
This must be joke or something
lmaooo
Bill Bellichick : 36-44 in Cleveland, and 5-13 in Pre-Brady Patriots
Tom Brady won The Orange Bowl in Michigan Beating Alabama
It's not hard to see who has won without the other
Facts
And now his stint in with the TB Bucs!
“Jared Goff is Trubisky In disguise” LMAAOOOOOOOO
Goff is 500x better trashbitchsky
ChiTown4131 Goff throws way better than Trubisky, but they’ve both got fear in their hearts and in shows
ChiTown4131 nah Goff isn’t trash the bears offense has hella weapons, trubisky don’t be getting it to them
@Tripz nah, he would've been traumatized like Sam Darnold last Monday, seeing ghosts and Boogeymans
Duker lol Sean McVay literally has to call what the defense is for Goff while at the line. All arm and nothing else
Why does somebody need more credit? They are both GOATS
There's always gonna be two sides though, those who side with Bill and those who side with Tom, personally I said with Belichick
slow news day
Cause people are stupid
EXactly
It's 50/50
Bill puts the pieces in place and Tom had to deal with the poor talent to keep them relevant. He's scored a TD with 74 different players, which is more than double a guy like Rodgers. I'm sure if a stat were compiled for "at least 1 catch from brady" that number is over 100 which is bonkers.
“I’m under OAF!”
🤣
🤣🤣🤣
As soon he said that i scrolled for this comment 😂
Coo belahche
@Acme Inc. LOL
Shannon and others act like Brady wasn't amazing against KC and the Chargers. Those games happened.
He’s jealous of him
He knows Brady is great. The question makes you pick between Brady or Belichick and he gave an honest and fair opinion. Most QBs don't consistently have a defense that strong to back them up and it's the truth. Taking nothing from Brady or Bill it's a perfect duo.
@@josephhiers9523 yall keep sitting here and act like Brady has some monster defense to fall back on EVERY YEAR. Lol
Skip wants to give Brady all the credits and zero the blame which is annoying. Could you imagine the rant he would’ve gone on if Aaron Rodgers had a QBR of 20 in the Super Bowl? We’re just asking Skip to be unbiased as he is supposed to be
Brady would’ve thrown his 3rd interception of the game, sealing the AFC championship for the Chiefs if it wasn’t for Dee ford being lined up offsides
*amazing
YALL ASK THIS DAMN QUESTION EVERY YEAR THEY BOTH PLAYED AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF CREDIT FOR THEIR SUCCESS
Not equal, I'd say 75 percent Belichick, 25percent Brady
Belichick always gives the players the credit because in his words, "they actually have to go out there and play the games."
75% Brady, 25% Bill
I'd like somebody to mention Josh McDaniels just once in these conversations; he's been there for this ride too.
Facts
ABOUT TIME SOMEONE SAID IT... THAT'S RIGHT SKIP YOU TELL THEM TOM BRADY IS THE GOAT
I wonder if Shannon feels the same about Elway or Montana with their coaches🤔🤔
Good point lol he praises Elway like crazy?
@@vitamindevil-g3250 yea them elway Superbowl teams had some pretty good defenses and don't let me start on them Montana teams good defenses
Duante Wafer Joe Montana is the greatest
@@daniele.osarobo6109 Keep crying.
@@vitamindevil-g3250 Well yeah he played with Elway for almost a decade.
Belichicks record lifetime without Brady is 52-60.
Judge: any final words?
Skip: mhm
LMAO
Honestly if Bledsoe hadn’t gotten hurt then I don’t think Belichick ever wins a super bowl. Brady definitely carried Belichick.
Lol
Bledsoe lack the talent of throwing 5 yard screen passes on those final drives.
😂😂😂
@@nea7582 clearly because belichick was 5-13 with Bledsoe lol
@@nea7582 not to mention Bledsoe nearly cost them the AFC championship in 01 lmao
For once I agree with skip. The numbers don't lie and bill was average pre Brady
He actually had a LOSING record
Skip is right Tom Brady is so amazing it’s not even worth discussing, dude just knows football it’s in his DNA just like Christian Mcaffrey
They always forget that Tom Brady came off the bench and took Michigan to a championship just like his first Superbowl. Bill Belichick didn't coach Michigan and what was his record before Brady. Who made who?
Just straight facts. Tom Brady got the name THE COMEBACK KID in college
Can we just appreciate having the duo, and other greats on the coaching staff?
NO :b
Ball Out never said that they did its just great to watch them play enjoy it it’ll be over soon.
Society won’t allow that unfortunately
this debate is like which came first the egg or the hen
There's only three words you need to debunk Bill Belichick's supposed defensive genius: Super Bowl 52.
How about when his defense limited the 2004 Colts and 2018 Rams to 3 only points each during the playoffs?!
Bill was 41-57 before Brady became starter... But they both made each other, which is why they are a dynasty along with having other great pieces all around
If Tom was anywhere else he wouldn’t have 6 rings
SelfMadeRod ! Yeah and neither would Belichick... read and comprehend
Troy Mathis Belichick had 2 rings as a defensive coordinator wit tha Giants
Trei Taylor he sure did
@@dat078912reppa is that a head coaching position? Lmfao
55/45 Brady belicheck coach’s the defense to be good and disciplined but Brady wins games on offense and by taking a pay cut he creates more cap space to sign better players on D
Facts
Also they sign cheap players and get them to overachieve. The only guy they payed big money for was Gilmore
F a c t s
Nahbro Bro Did you not watch the video?? Look up Belichick’s record before Brady!
When your number one receiver is a 7th round quaterback for 8 years you definitely didn't spend money on offense. How many different wide receivers that Tom Brady played with on the Patriots have made the Pro Bowl? 3 Troy Brown (1) Randy Moss (1) Wes Welker (5) the only tight end Rob Gronkowski (5) times. How many wide receivers will be in the football Hall of Fame that Tom Brady played with on the Patriots? 1 Randy Moss who was already a Hall of famer before playing with the Patriots.
I knew from the title this would be an entertaining argument 😂
Belichick always had some good defensive gameplans against high scoring offenses. In the 2001 Super Bowl,he shutdown the Greatest Show On Turf by running Bump-&-Run all through the game. In the 1990 playoffs,he ran a 4-3 Under vs. The Bears, Nickel defense vs the 49ers & he ran a 3-3-5 against the Bills to slow down their offense.
Skip Bayless definitely has a Tom Brady shrine in his house. #BustSkipUp
KingMickD it ain’t bigger than Shannon’s Lebron shrine
Nick Givens those two shrines fall in comparison to skip’s michael jordan shrine.
And a shrine #2
And what does SHANNON has for liebron. At least the guy skip ENDORSE is a WINNER
Who doesn't
Skip Bayless: "Tom Brady is a WAY better quarterback than Aaron Rodgers" .....
Super Facts 💯☝️
Whats belichicks record with brady and without?.
Simple Math
BB & TB12 are the perfect drift combination they take on kaijus!
Somebody tell me about the success Belichek had before he had Tom Brady.
Shanon Sharpe quite the BS artist. BB surrounded him with mostly "tools." BB's GM work is mostly second rate. Sharpe also has loudly allowed his jealousy run wild.
Skip knows how to make you sound so great 😂
Coach before brady, nothing.... Brady comes, wins everything
Everyone want to forget when Bill was the HC of the browns their record was 36-44 and one playoff And that was his only winning season. And yes his has two Superbowl rings with the gaints but he wasn't the Head coach. Brady saved bills job
Bill was the defensive coordinator who was shutting out teams in the sb with the giants head coach had nothing to do with that
He got fired from the browns and went 5-11 with Drew bledsoe. BRADY saved Bill and the NE Patriots
hard to argue what skip said there....
shannon makes a great point with the top 10 defenses though.
Shannon said two other teams had top 10 defenses for the same amount of time, what happened to them?
So now its Bill Defense Than Brady??. You know. How hard it is to win with just defense. You need an offense. And Brady is the best. And Brady was WINNING without bill. Remember. He got the nickname THE COMEBACK KID in college
@@MicMucique2
exactly just ask da bears how many sbs they've won with their great defense and limited offense
@@salamipitza not as many offenses that has won with Brady
I agree with Skip, Tom Brady is more responsible for the Patriots success.
Thing is we’ve never seen Brady without Belichick, we’ve seen Belichick without Brady. He has a career losing record and one playoff win. Ppl like to point out 2008 but that was a loaded roster
To be fair, he never had a elite qb before Brady.
Thats when he was running a garbage browns team
Simon Roy yes he did. Drew Bledsoe was the highest paid QB ever and was considered top of the top in regards to QB’s. With him they went 5-12 and 0-2
Evan Merwin they weren’t garbage, they were playoff contenders
Well, Tom Brady without belichick is a 6th round talent.
Still waiting for Bill to end up with a winning record without TB12 for his career!! It may never happen
It's Brady look at his status before Brady came to Pat's
@Acme Inc. Michigan?
@Acme Inc. yes but who cares what happened at Michigan?
@Acme Inc. he's talking about BB before Brady came to town.... he's not talking about Brady in college....college has nothing to do with the NFL....people walk onto pro teams from D3 teams etc...
Bill was trash asf head coach for Pat's also he finna get fired from Pat's but Brady save his jobs
Coach B 50%
TB12: 50%
Coach B: 100%
TB12: 100%
Man what a refreshing topic! Its been days if not weeks since they’ve argued this topic!
I love these guys going at it
remember clevland? case closed
Remember the Patriots before Brady. Case solved
What's the record of the Ravens and Bears for that amount of time then? Because if their defenses were similar what happened? They didn't have Tom Brady
Million dollar answer
Why did u cut off Drip at the end? He was about to drop some fie
The most important point in Brady’s favor is that Bel can get away with having no name RB’s and receivers and knowing that TB will make them look like first round picks.
How about the super bowl we lost because Bill refused to play Malcolm Butler, one of his top defenders that started 97% of the games that season...? Where was the coaching genius then?
Preach skip preach
Agreed Skip
Bill Belichick has stated after Super Bowl 51 and 53, he gives credit to the players, they made it happen! Look it up on NFL and NFL Films! He even congratulated his players after a great play! So I give Tom Brady the GOAT 🐐 the edge! 😎🙌🏻
Well this aged pretty well for skip
Especially now.
Skip Bayless is spitting facts that can not be disputed
I think Dak's QBR helped their wins
Where the rings at?
@@marcocano7262 It's a joke.
hear that folks bill was 42-58 before brady. thats only thing you need to say when someone says bill made brady
Hey Shannon, how's this theory going now? Is it Brady or Belichick? Haha
They are both GOATs... Neither is greater than the other and they compliment eachother perfectly.
This is the millionth time they’ve had this conversation. But still gonna watch
It’s a players league, the players are the ones that play!!! It’s Brady
If he was so great why couldn't he win in Cleveland?
No Brady
@@MicMucique2 you right
Love the duo hate the unnecessary debate they were great together.
It's the players on the field not the coaches..Don't the player's go out on the field n carry out the calls.
Right. Its like children. Parents can tell them all day to behave themselves and make good grades. But its the kids that have to put the work in. Thats why when the kids graduate the parents sit in the audience and cheer while the child gets thr certificate
Bill coached for a long time but only started winning when Brady stepped in,,,those are facts and you can only go by facts,,,so of course you have to give Brady the credit without him this would have never happened
It's Tom Brady... Skip explained it the best way u can .. if u think it's the couch, ur one of those people who don't like the truth
Facts
*Belichick defense held the NFC champions to 3 points in a superbowl*
Skip : " Tom Brady is the reason because of his intangibles of motivating the D line and the secondary "
2:58 when someone i hate tells a joke
It’s a symbiotic relationship, they both need each other, stop with this non sense
Thats true except Bill drafted Tom
FACTS
Watch Tom Brady in collage he's been doing this forever.
A truly great coach doesn't tank a game to spite a player when your motto is do your job.....to sabotage the team like Belichicken did against the Eagles in my eyes is unforgivable and he no longer deserves respect
Interesting debate, I never thought about it before... Lol
bill did not win anything major untill brady came, thats simple
How many times are we going to have this debate between these two. 😆 simple belichick got fired in Cleveland and started his Patriots coaching as 5-11 in 2000 and 1-2 in 2001. Brady comes in and they won the Superbowl.
That win came after Brady was named the Starting Qb. Drew got injured on the second game.
Exactly😂 its just that simple
Yea, they won because of the tuck rule. Brady even came out a couple of days ago and admitted he fumbled in that game. The patriots were given that super bowl.
@@haywoodjablomee6671 yea of course even brady said he's surprised too that the refs. Gave it too them, so it's not Brady's fault it's the refs. So stop blaming him for "cheating" plus tuck rule was already a rule before that game.
@@haywoodjablomee6671 pull up the source
They need each other!
Shannon: Bradys great because of his teammates (6-3)
Also Shannon: LeBrons the greatest basketball player ever (3-6) with 9 Max Contract Player Teams
🙄
It’s like nails on a chalk board when I hear skip talk about Brady and Dak, his arguments are beyond moronic especially when he only uses QBR to defend Dak 🤦🏻♂️
chris correa that’s the only argument and other media don’t even bring it up because it’s a bogus stat.
Idk which is worse. What you said about skip (which is true) or shannon flip flopping every single year about Brady 😂 Shannon's arguments for belichick arent great either. He literally just discounts any comebacks or game winning drives brady makes and says "look at the defense" bruh no matter what the score is Brady came through in the clutch for SIX WINS at some point the man needs credit 😂 defense doesnt put you ahead. It's a 50/50 proposition. But both guys just want to give the other majority
Tom’s the goat
Calogero Sanfilippo
He is
And I hate him
@@jnkjnk-ye2gu I don't know my man, Shannon does constantly say he knows what "Tom Brady represents" I think Shannon isn't bashing on Brady as much as he just hates skips arguments because they are all team based.... you do really have to look at the defence when looking at SB wins.... over the last 40 years there is a 90% correlation between SB winning teams and top 10 scoring defences.... Trent Dilfer has won a ring, Brian Johnson won a ring, 2nd year starters like Big Ben and TB and even Wilson won rings against FAR Superior QBs at the time (Manning, Hasselbeck and Warner) Eli Manning has 2 rings, Bradshaw has 4.... Defence is a pre requisite to winning. Brady has had 16 cracks at it.... Rodgers has had just 1. Back ups like Nick Foles and Doug Williams have won rings with stingy defences. Not saying TB isn't top 3 regardless of Rings because he is.... but to say only team accomplishments put him miles ahead of Manning, Brees, Rodgers even Montana is a little foolish.
When Bill Belichick outcoached the Buffalo Bills in super bowl xxv and his notes went to the hall of fame, Brady was 13. Brady is the goat but give Bill some respect skip. He is the goat coach
Good points
They are a 1,2 punch why is this a conversation? They both have helped each other
Skip is literally Michael Scott
Pretty sure Bill had a losing season year prior to TB12 and 0-2 year TB12 took over and won his 1st SB!!
Skip: “Brady deserves the credit for this all time defensive unit”
Your dumb
TB used some of Shannon’s words here to make that SEVEN rings. Good job Shannon.
The move to TB proved who was what. QB/GM/OC in one. People stayed, came back, and took pay cuts to play with the man. They were rewarded with a Super Bowl. How did the Pats do? Even now they are riding high just because the entire AFC sucks.
Why do I feel like they always cut these clips short
Belicheck was never that successful until Brady became his quarterback.
Facts.
They went to the SuperBowl
Bill Phil Jackson Belichick
6:40
I mean 2 safeties gets you 4pts
Yea but Ivy leagers cant do that in their heads,....
He said there's no 4 point plays, he never said you couldnt get 4 points. You didn't understand.
Infinitesimal was used incorrectly by Shannon. It means extremely small not large.
Finally some perspective and history - respect Tom Brady - it's ok.
Belichick handles the defense. 12 handles the offense.
Bill was a losing head coach before Brady
Coach Billacheat has more ways to win than Shannon ever could think of....please name the ways?
A coaches job is to put their players in the best situation for them. Every QB is a system QB and they need help. But a great QB still has to make those throws and be a leader of men. Both are the greatest to ever do it and there is no need to say who is more valuable. They are both amazing and deserve all the credit.
You know who else had a top ten defensive for most of his career... cam newton
illmatic tony Everybody thought Cam Newton was gone be better or surpass Tom Brady never happened and want
Donnie Pate I couldn’t extrapolate anything from what you just said.
QUUUARTEEERback
It's a combined effort period
The Patroits is a self contained unit from top to bottom
Somebody please remind shannon thsy that same coach couldn't stop eli manning twice and got lit up by Nick Foles with his best cornerback on the bench smh lol
Great coaching.
Look at all the years Baltimore had an amazing defence and what did that get them Shannon?
I must agree that BOTH are responsible. However, I would say it's 55% Belichuk and 45% Brady for this reason only...Brady has been absolutely incredible when the game is on the line. As Ray Lewis pointed out a couple years ago, Brady studies film like there is no tomorrow. However, if anyone has read the biography of Bill Belichuk, you will find out how obsessive he is over watching film. Therefore, and I don't know for sure because I don't know how Tom Brady was before playing in the NFL, but I would make a strong case that Belichuk influenced Brady to become a master at studying film.
It doesn't matter about how good the defence is, or how good the offence is. You need BOTH to be at least decent in order to win championships. But you also need leaders that bring the team together to rise to challenges, and I think BOTH deserve the credit.
Thank you editor for cutting skip off.. Why can't we just say that they need each other, equally and both of them would've made it this far without each other...
They need to understand winning stats 🙏🏻 thank you