50 Caliber Air Hammer? Large Bore Air Hammers Are Insane
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2022
- Find Big Nasty here: amzn.to/3PEvSbA Long bits (soon): amzn.to/3NhlBzH , amzn.to/3OzqepM , amzn.to/3QLKQNC Where to find our tool rankings: torquetestchannel.etsy.com T-shirts 'n such: bit.ly/3z98ryFObviously we haven't put this up against some equal .498" shank competition so far, so these results vs .401" may not be surprising, nevertheless we've never seen it quantified so you may want to know as well. Suggest more models to take on and perhaps unseat the 4980 in the comments.
Torque, who started TTC is working in product development for Astro Tools who make the air hammer in this episode, though we have not worked on this model's design nor benefit from its sales. We don't share what videos we're making with ANY brand including Astro, and receive no compensation, incentives or employment based on showing tools or sales figures tied to any one brand.
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Is there an air hammer you want to make sure we don't miss? Let us know.
Torque, who started this channel, is working in product development for Astro Tools who also make this very air hammer. So obviously there's no way to divorce all bias from this sort of thing. Always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool. That's the beauty of youtube!
Mueller Kueps Heavy duty vibro impact hammer #EQ-290 300
I believe the aircat 5300B is a 498 with for sure a different trigger. I'm guessing a bit better control although it appears similar to the 4980 astro
CP717 the air hammer ASTRO copied.
Aircat, mueller kuepps, cp717 are the most interesting I think
CP 714 and 717
Hat’s off to Astro for putting “Big Nasty” on the box!!! That’s hilarious.
Twas what i was able to convince my boss to get one for the shop!
That beastly airhammer gives Zero hecks against any and all things presented for hammering/chiseling.
Its a badass. It does have its own locked up cabinet space, labeled Big Nasty.
You dont always need the biggest baddest tools, but what's the point of having the balls of a bull moose if ya dont swing em around once in a while.
Yes it is lmfao 🤣😂but it really is Big Nasty 😳
I am heavy duty truck mobile road service. This tool transcends from being a tool into being a literal human body saver!!!
I can push out truck drag links, with out having to beat out with the BFH. I have worn out shoulders from replacing Budd wheel studs. I no longer have a fear of replacing brake disc's. I no longer have to swing a BFH on my back under a truck. At 76 years old it has made possible extended work years.
Every service truck needs this tool, along with a .401 shank as this tool literally has the power to decrease wear and tear on the body!!!!
Bill you are the MAN!! still wrenching on trucks at 76....My hat is off to you my friend.
@@blackscotydog Alimony.
Check out my Service Truck tour if you want to see what76 looks like. I did a piece on Big Nasty in my u joint video.
Thanks for comment
Absolutely my go to. I have the finesse air hammer. The one a screw bit got stuck in so now its a single tool air hammer. the matco air hammer i use for most, and big nasty that every comes to grab when theirs won't get ut done.
So true. Spring pins and seized anchor pins jump out in fear!
Salute to you for keeping the work going strong, reminds me of my grandpa. Can’t keep him down lol
I have a 4980 and that thing has saved me some big headaches working on my and my families' cars.
Been in a few "No going back" spots where I needed to remove a part as reassembly was not an option and Big Nasty was able to "negotiate" acceptable terms.
“Automotive diplomat” I like that.
Yes, we need ALL the .498" bits! Pickle forks, drifts, medium and long length, shake and break bolt breaker! Make it happen!
I'll try
We need all the .498 bits! Absolutely agree!
I know where to get .498 sets for $8 a lb
Agree
@@z50com где?
As an Ironworker I would love to see you guys get ahold of a Hell dog rivet tool. Its the grand daddy of these tools but requires alot of air and a 1" line. It would probably break the tester though
It would definitely break the rig, I like having the extra jam.
that is a near $2000.00 USD tool and needs a lot more cfm of air than their compressor provides.
@@thomasechols8834 it really doesn't take that much air, a 5 gallon tank with 3/4 hose works great for around 10 seconds.
It certainly takes less air for the same job than a .401.
1 second will do more than a 401 in a full minute.
They can be had cheap used, the chisels are a fortune once they are shipped to Canada.
@@5002strokeforever Agreed on the power , as for the price a used one may be gotten for under $2000.00 USD however the need for it in automotive is not there even on the heavy truck side, I can see it used for construction and train repair work but it is just a great tool for setting during construction of iron framing, and as the other person mention it would destroy their test rig in the first few seconds.
@@thomasechols8834 I use mine all the time on anything that is stuck that I want to move.
Once I needed to get an injection pump off a dead motor where access was tight.
Shove the rivet buster in there and blow the block apart where the pump bolts in, fast, easy and kind of fun.
Love Eric and South Main Auto channel!
"Not a sponsor" :D
@@TorqueTestChannel Thanks for finally making this video. I'm not sure if you've heard of it (you probably have) but is there any chance you could get your hands on a 498k special edition? Summit racing has more than 10 available. Not sure if it's in the budget or not but I'm curious how much stronger it is over the 4980. Thanks
EVERYONE loves Eric O!
@@RainmanRaysRepairs You are just as good ,keep up the good videos.Ray
Love SMA.
I've never broken any .401 chisels but I've broke about ten .498 chisels with my CP-717. It's an absolute beast, on another level and well worth the money.
btw, I'm a heavy duty diesel mechanic so I need all the power I can get.
You are not wrong. My 10 year old CP717 has broken 2 smoothing bits. The new longer ones may last longer. This thing is so strong it makes me rethink how the tool can be used. Like at work I use it on the alignment rack to rattle out the upper ball joint eccentric bushing on Ford trucks using sympathetic vibration.
Unfortunately the newer.498 bits are made from Chinesium. I’ve still got a half dozen.498 bits with the Chicago Pneumatic logo stamped on them, I’m thinking they may have a couple of years on me!
Mine paid itself off in about a week in just time saved. I love my 717, the thing has yet to be beaten by any other in class air hammers in actual use.
@@duanedragon2I've lost count on broken bits, I have the IR 119MAX @175psi on 3/4" line with high flow fittings and 6ft 1/2" whip 1/4" chuck. Heavy equipment technician
Love my CP717. If my 401 doesn't do anything after a few seconds, then I get out the big boy. Most of the people I offer the 717 to say "nah, I got the tool truck long barrel. It'll get it". I tell them my 498 will get it faster, & nope, they're too proud of their investment.
I’ve been a truck mechanic 50 years and no question, my favorite labor saver is my Chicago Pneumatic CP-717 .498 I got when I was a little 20 something getting started. I wish newer tooling held up the way tools from the ‘50s and ‘60s does! Oil before and after use and it’s lasting a lifetime.
ive got an ancient cp717 thats been passed down for years. it still rattles out ball joints, wheel bearings and my fillings daily. i call it big bertha but big nasty is a good one too.
You should compare this air hammer to the original the Chicago Pneumatic CP717.
I own a CP717. Out side of the cheap noise maker .401 i acquired it was my first air hammer and have now owned it for about 10 years. I would be willing to bet that it will win the minimum beans test, the trigger control is better than any other air hammer i have used.
I can practically get single hits out of my 717. That thing is so smooth to use, you can ramp from nothing to full bore and not slip off the work piece.
I've seen some shockingly loud rivet guns in the aircraft industry. Like, they rattle your soul when they're going off and they're almost intolerable to be around without both earplugs and ear defenders on and even then it's pretty harsh. I'd love to see them tested here as I have no idea what kind of power they actually make. They rate them as 2X, 4X, 8X, etc with larger # meaning more powerful. They're not cheap though, we're talking 1500 bucks for the big dogs like 8 and 9X. No idea what the X is all about though.
That would be fucking awesome, so interesting
it means times
@@FloorItDuhI know it means times.... times what??
@@ourkid2000 I think the prior gun so a 4x is 4 times more powerful than a 2x. I think, I'm not sheetmetal.
I understood the original meaning was stroke length. A 4x is 1inch longer than a 3x.
How about the 498K?
Thanks so much for testing this!! I was really excited to see it! I had been asking for this for a long time and was super interested to see it! I bought one of these a few years ago and have used it to do anything from taking down chimneys to breaking big concrete pads. Also use it for removing the dreaded Audi pinch bolt that the shop couldn’t get out. It’s a beast, wheel bearing presses not required. Lol this was my first air hammer,…
I would be curious to see how these would compare to just swinging a normal hammer and maybe a small short handle sledge as well. Obviously air hammers are better but just how much better? Also maybe only allow yourself 12 inches or so of swing room since most of the time were swinging in confined spaces lol keep up the great work and information!
Yes! Great idea…
There are give and takes in your idea. An air hammer is typically used to either speed up a process or to apply a hammering force in a confined area where you can't swing a hammer however there are parts of the heavy equipment industry where the force of impact is everything and I have yet to find an air hammer that can outperform a 4 lb matco mini sledge with about a 10" handle and a punch.
The difference is measured in shoulder surgeries.
It’s kinda situational, when you need a heavy sledge nothing else works and when you need an air hammer nothing else works.
If I was flogging up heavy pump flanges I would not want an air hammer !
If I was working on a vee-hickle I would not put a heavy sledge anywhere near it !
Was Waiting to see this one. Would like to see it up against Chicago's pneumatic cp717 .
Looks like a cp clone to me.
Before I got a Big Nasty, I didn't think much about air hammers, they never seemed to work. Now I worry about breaking things.
Big Nasty is on a roughly par with a 10lb. sledge with a 14" handle. The hammer with a uninhibited vertical swing can generate more impact, with a descending energy curve relevant to the amount of work needing to be done. The tool life time is measured in shoulder rotator cuff tissue.
Big Nasty can deliver more energy in horizontal work, both with the work person in standing, kneeling but especially when lying on your back under a piece of equipment [ear protection suggested] positions. This has been field tested.
Samuel Colt is said "to have made all men equal", just with the pull of a trigger. Astro has made possible big hammer work possible in tight, cramped, awkward positions.
When you use your first air hammer you like. "Air hammer you my only fren"
How crazy it is, you this started off as a hobby and now your helping revolutionize the industries your looking at, filling in niches that the large companies seem to have either ignored, or simply didn't realize existed
I was afraid you weren't going to have Astro tools in the videos anymore. I'm thrilled that you do. Extra cool to see Eric's nickname on the box. I ended up getting an I.R. instead of the .401 Astro only because I couldn't find one. I really appreciate your videos. I don't always get the top one, but it really helps my buying decision. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing 😊
My go-to air hammer is an old large-caliber rivet gun I found in the scrap yard and modified the nose on to use the common larger diameter bits years ago. I don't even have to run it on its designed 1/2" air line to knock out or bore a hole in pretty much anything.
that is a beast. I love it that you keep upgrading your tests. Great Video TTC
I used a CP717 in a truck/heavy equipment shop for many years. As you say, finding .498 bits was a bit of a challenge back then and still seems to be a problem today. We had an even larger CP hammer that was called a rivet buster and had a 1/2 pipe air inlet that was even more of a beast.
This is exactly what I’ve been waiting for! Thanks!
TTC Friyay. Awesome stuff. What a treat.
Ive actually been waiting for this because i can only afford to get one air hammer eventually and Big Nasty didnt disappoint. Ive used the IR .401's but have been let down a few times needing more power. A premium model with a good modulating trigger would be cool though.
As someone who works on beat up and rusty buses, I think I may have to look into one of these. Can't tell you how long I've spent trying to smack out drag links and tie rods with my snap on air hammer or a BFH.
Plus telling people you're gonna bring out the 50 to take care of something will always be entertaining.
Thanks man! I was waiting for my TTC Friday video! Thanks to you guys I also picked up the 40v 3/4 Makita impact wrench from acme tools! It’s a beast! Also I ordered some stuff online and got a discount using your channel name - I think it was OPT or Acme tools …can’t recall.
As a new Matco Tools distributor, I recently discovered you channel and love it
Got a .401, didn’t have the beans, got a 1990s UT498, absolute weapon. Ruins everything it touches, and the trigger is pretty controllable. Thanks for the video!! Always interesting.
I got Thor through Summit Racing, which I think is a 9X riveter. And a 7X riveter, which has about 1 inch longer barrel. My experience is the riveter has really good trigger control. Because you don't want that to slip off the rivet and damage the aluminum skin. Nowadays with proliferation of carbon fiber, a lot of new aircrafts are going to the glue route. I got a bunch of 50 BMG rivet bits with different tip configurations.
Great video.
This test confirmed what I thought about my snapon. I am NOT a snapon fan. In fact I'm a little upset with them over some of my other tools breaking way too easy. But my snapon air hammer is a beast with my compressor setup. I can only imagine what big nasty could do!
Love my Astro .498. It comes out when something needs to come lose, and you are ok if it destroys it in the process
I'll hold out for the 3/4 model.
Rivet Guns, those are the controllable beasts.
I remember researching the crap out of these while removing powder charge nails from angle iron in Jackson Hole. Was taking apart a rock climbing wall to put it back up. (Successful business now: The Edge Climbing Gym in Ammon ID)
This is the video I have been waiting for for so Long!!!
Well Done 👍
love your content super helpful! please next do a impact socket brand comparison!! I think a lot of us would really like to see it! thanks
Wow. I learned A LOT about air hammers I didn’t know. Interesting stuff.
AJAX has some great bits! Run them in my .401 and .498s!
Atlas Copco RRH12 and RRH14 with trigger control!
RRH06P, 08P,10P Same
All your descriptions of it make me want it
I spoke to a few OEMs to figure out how to get different flavors and gathered some local distributors. Shipping time for single orders isn't zippy. I found wacky guns nine and longer. I found one Aircraft Tool Supply where you can use the sign on coupon with the current sale to have one very generously equipped for 300. I managed a seven inch (like Thor) with a full kit, case, powder coat, feathering trigger, and comfort grip. It even comes with a clever solution to the .401 adapter issue that seems to work quite well....
That was impressive keeping it on that wedge
Love this channel
Thank you everyone at TTC for making the powertool market a little better.
Thats nuts
That surpassed any results I would have ever guessed. I’ve never used one though so maybe that why, but holy moly, that’s insane!
I have one. The foreman has the "big air hammer" in his tool box that everyone grabs. Then they all come to grab big nasty when that one doesn't get it. It feels like using a machine gun, there is absolutely no finesse in it's ability range.
I have to get one of those
I'm from uk, paid 400£ for big nasty and 5 pcs chisel/punch/hammer attachment.... and boy that gun delivers 🥂🥂🥂
Thank you for doing this testing this answered so many questions that couldn’t previously find could you test all of the 498hammers. It would help me drastically as I use air hammers almost everyday to drive pins like stuck hydraulic cylinders among others. Thank you !!
Another quality vi-j-oo fellas. Thanks for posting.
I have 2 Chicago Pneumatic CP717 Zip Guns. One of them is unused and recently purchased. If you pay shipping and handling I can send it to you for testing.
Yes, of course we provide a shipping label. Please hit us up! Torquetestchannel@gmail.com
Could you test pass through socket ratchets?
THIS! I love these things, one of my go-tos, they're so damn handy! Realized that I needed a set about 7 years ago when I was working in HVAC, dealing with all thread regularly, been using them on everything else since. Just haven't pushed them real far, torque wise, not sure how strong these things are - would be interesting to find out.
Definitely underrated tools, everyone should have a set even if it's just a $15 HF set
8:00 Snap-On guy "I must've loosened it for you!"
I have the Thor version and I’ve used my boss’s Chicago 717 in the past, I can tell you from experience that the CP has a MUCH better trigger control. Thor’s trigger is just an On/Off switch.
I also have the 498k. Any comment on the power difference between the cp717 and the 498k?
How do the Thor and CP717 compare to each other on power?
@@greod1006 I never got a chance to find out, I used the CP in a shop that had dual 80 gallon air compressors, so it was operating at maximum power. Unfortunately,I received the Thor 3 days after that shop closed down, my new work place only has a single compressor, so I can’t give a decent comparison. Both are great at separating highly corroded wheel hubs from steering knuckles.
@@jheissjr I like CP rivet guns, they're easy to fix and parts are available.
If you're bold enough, twenty minutes w a 1/8" burr will have your 4980 trigger as smooth as a snappy
Oh man can’t wait to get long bits
Love Big Nasty.
Has Eric O not got an even nastier big Nasty now? thanks for your vids as a Mechanic I love watching them.
He sometimes uses THOR the 498K
I love my Cornwell air hammer!
the housings on those are so beautiful. i love American made , when its well made, since one doesnt automatically mean the other.
Just subbed. Awesome videos keep it up
Nice!
Kind of disappointed we weren't treated to Eric O's excellent sound effect when he gets out his Big Nasty!
I got one it’s great for massaging your sore muscles after workouts and what not would recommend 💯👍😌
Thanks, guys, I'm in the market now, so I'll be getting Big Nasty, and a smaller one to boot. Tore apart my little HF to make it into a planishing tool.
I couldn't think of any use for it in my life but every time I watch one of these vids I want an air hammer.
I use big nasty to remove rear shackle bolts that are rusted and bent in place. Only 1 time did it struggle to knock them out, whereas my IR didn't even make them budge
I would be interested to see a comparison between air hammers, and rivet guns made specifically for aircraft manufacturing. Particularly the ingersoll rand AVC line of guns vs air hammers.
Any chance you will do more ball joint press kit testing? Thanks for the content, loved this one.
Wish they had these back when I was turning wrenches 😂👍👍🇺🇸
Any chance of disassembly of this beast? Would be interesting to see how the hammer (the actual metal puck that does all of that hammering on the inside) compares to a typical 401.
I had no need for an air hammer but damm I need one now
Mueller Kueps Vibro Impact EQ-290 300 is a 15mm or .590 shank air hammer, id like to see that tested out
Can you please test those reversible flip sockets for lug nuts. I have some in the half sizes for swollen lug nuts, and i notice a MASSIVE power decrease from them compared to regular sockets.
Its probably the 3" extension needed no?
@@TorqueTestChannel yes but since the extension goes up inside the socket they are in theory the same length. And i swear i notice a wayyy bigger difference than using a regular socket even on an extension, like these things straight up murder torque to the point my matco 2779 and milwaukee high torque struggle to get lug nuts off. it's nuts.
Length doesn't matter though. A deep socket makes the same or sometimes a touch more than a shallow. It's about the ability of the length to efficiently transmit torsion. A socket is borderline ideal for transmitting torsion, and an extension is about worst possible.
@@TorqueTestChannel Right but I swear I have more torque with a 6"+ extension and a normal deep socket, than I do with a flip socket on a 3". There is some torque killing black magic going on inside these flip sockets. Maybe it's the weight because most of the half sized ones tend to be thinner. Idk. But I know it's my experience and it would be cool to see some real data on it.
@@kyle.2344 Test it! like they do here. Tighten a lug with a torque wrench, and time how long it takes to loosen it with each setup. Video it with a stopwatch (timer), running in the background so you can figure out the time after the fact.
I wish we could get more of these tools in England.
I've wanted a bigger hammer. Anyway, Ive had the Snappie hammer for well, over a decade. Thought I'd put this out there for the pros, ever removing t-case or pinion seals? Well, confident use of an air hammer and chisel bit saves quite a bit of time and besides the old seal causes zero damage.
This will be my first purchase of one .
You need to find a APT American Pneumatic Tool model 800 not sure if it's considered a air hammer or a rivet gun but whatever it is it hits extremely hard. I bet it could take the throne easily. They run about $200 on eBay if there's one available, they're few and far apart and are very desirable.
I feel like Cornwell's air hammer is a hidden gem, mine is amazing and does anything I need it to and then some, with ease
Above theoretical maximum ... I love it!
Man, this is that bad boy you want in the box , just for when the going gets tough, you’ve had a long day and aren’t trying to deal with the bullshit. You take her out, dust her off, destroy worlds, out her away.
LET'S GO!!!🏁
7:35 it looks like its resting on the axle and when he switches to the other gun it was a lil longer so it wasn't getting stopped by the axle holding it.
Those lower ball joints he was air hammering out, I usually just flip around my BFH to the ball end and relieve some stress in the process. After 25 years on the job, I got good aim.
I love my MAC TOOLS AH750A LONG BARREL AIR HAMMER 😜
Eric is going to owe you after all that coverage showing his use of Big Nasty. LOL Although we would all rather see Mrs. "O" running that hammer. LOL
Could you test big nasty against aircats .498 shank model
😲 Impressive. I hope I never need one.
God I wish I had this when I replaced the front hubs on my 05 avalanche. Or an air hammer or wrench rust belt cars down south now.....
Since y’all have developed such a great test rig for air hammers, would it be possible to do a video on aircraft riveters? 2X, 3X, and 4X being in the .401 chuck and 5X, 7X, and 9X in the .481. I believe these are a “Beans” rating based on internal hammer weight.
My friend has a 3' millstone that is bolted to a rusty axle - that is his challenge piece. Unseat the nut without breaking anything is the challenge. Finding the tool that will do it is the most difficult part.
Have y'all tested manual impact drivers that you smack with a hammer?
I have a Cornhole air hammer and it's weak sauce the barrel won't stay put and needs constant tightening and it's far too long for what I need it for! Worked great when I got it in the body shot to peel door skins! But not so much as I'm moved back to mechanics
I have a .498 from air craft tools. It's a 7x model. Definitely longer and slower hitting. I believe the power is supposed to be more. Be nice to get it tested and see how it compares to the one you just tested
Second that. I have the same one. Don't know any numbers, but it's the hardest hitting hammer I've ever used.
What’s the brand name? thanks
@@istvanmeissler2238 ats 7x rivet gun from aircraft tool supply.
@@dogzilla1212 Thank you.
@@dogzilla1212 Great Quality gun I've sold dozens of them, but not as hard hitting as a APT 800
YES! SMAC
Can you test soldering iron brands? Electric vs butane too.