NASA's Unpressurized Lunar Lander

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  • čas přidán 6. 10. 2023
  • Langley Research Center Unpressurized Crew Transport
    with Surface Habitat: 0605-LLPS-LaRC-2
    This was a two-stage lander that incorporated unique,
    dockable rear-entry space suits for a crew of four on an
    unpressurized ascent stage. The ascent stage mission
    was designed for a nominal surface stay time of 7 days,
    and a return payload capacity of 100 kg (220 lbm).
    Descent Stage
    Power The descent stage carried oxygen-hydrogen fuel cells for primary power; total peak power required by descent stage (when active) = 4.0 kW;
    total peak power required by descent stage (when inactive) = 500 W.
    Propulsion
    The propulsion system had three LOX/LH2 descent engines that operated at an Isp of 459.7 sec. The engine thrust was 31.1 kN (7,000 lb). Oxygen boil-off was estimated to be at 1.2% per month and hydrogen boil-off was estimated to be at 4.3% per month. Descent delta-v: 1,900 m/s (6,233 ft/s)
    Structures
    The baseline primary structural material was aluminum 2024 or similar. There were two oxidizer tanks/four fuel tanks; The landing structures made up 3.3% of the total mass to be landed.
    Environmental Control and Life Support System
    Standard ECLSS in pressurized habitat; 13.2 m3 (466 ft3) total habitable volume; 3.3 m3 (116.5 ft3)
    habitable volume per crew member; 14.2 m3 (500 ft3) total pressurized volume.
    Down Payload 500 kg (1,100 lbm)
    Surface Stay Time 7 days
    Nominal Descent and Low Lunar Orbit Loiter Duration 7 days
    Low Earth Orbit Loiter Duration 95 days
    Guidance Navigation & Control RCS Cluster (x4)
    Ascent Stage
    Ascent stage carried Li-ion batteries for primary power during ascent; total peak power required by ascent stage = 1.0 kW
    Propulsion
    There were four NTO/MMH ascent engines rated for operation at an Isp of 332.5 sec. The propulsion system provided a thrust of 11.1 kN (2,500 lb). Thrusters were initially gimballed out to avoid damaging the habitat (which could be reused on a future mission or as part of an outpost).
    Ascent delta-v: 1,889 m/s (6,197 ft/s)
    Structures
    Aluminum 2024 or similar. There were two oxidizer tanks/two fuel tanks.
    Environmental Control and Life Support System
    Nominal life support was to be provided by the Extravehicular Activity (EVA) suits.
    Up Payload 100 kg (220 lb)
    Surface Stay Time 7 days
    Nominal Ascent Duration 3 hours
    Source:
    After LM
    NASA LUNAR LANDER CONCEPTS
    BEYOND APOLLO
    John F. Connolly, Editor
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Komentáře • 104

  • @marcopohl4875
    @marcopohl4875 Před 6 měsíci +34

    That actually makes the mission a lot easier for the astronauts. No pressure.

    • @WilliamRWarrenJr
      @WilliamRWarrenJr Před 5 měsíci +4

      😂👍
      But I bet those spacesuits would be pretty ripe by about Day 3 ...

  • @416dl
    @416dl Před 7 měsíci +93

    Can't wait for Redbull to sponsor a flugstag on the moon.

    • @richardjonsson1745
      @richardjonsson1745 Před 7 měsíci +5

      Imagine that inside one of the domes on tha surface. Pedal driven airplanes in atmosphere. Just like in Rendezvous with Rama. :-)

    • @416dl
      @416dl Před 7 měsíci

      Yeah...I've always loved that idea since first reading that book...and we see it also in Kim Stanley Robinson's Red Green Blue Mars trilogy...the recreationaal aspect of our future endeavors in space, whether in the context of human made stations or on other planets is under estimated. When robots do all the monotonous physical labor we'll still want the thrills and sense of accomplishment. Cheers. @@richardjonsson1745

  • @allenlea8310
    @allenlea8310 Před 7 měsíci +13

    I applaud your choice of music for this video, evoking the perfect blend of apprehension, tension, and awe.

  • @fridaycaliforniaa236
    @fridaycaliforniaa236 Před 7 měsíci +16

    Mate, we need a whole 2 hours film of this ! Like the series "From Earth to the Moon" =)

  • @tsr207
    @tsr207 Před 7 měsíci +35

    Incredible video ! - these just keep getting more spectacular on each release. The scene where the lander is descending and a lone astronaut is watching is incredible. I cant imagine the situation where this type of lander would be used without an air of
    desperation !

    • @BartJBols
      @BartJBols Před 7 měsíci

      making lunar landers cheaper and light weight so they could land more people and supplies, making a lunar base more economical. Nothing about this is inherently more 'risky' then the other lunar lander, other then that the astronauts were in spacesuits..

    • @richspillman4191
      @richspillman4191 Před 7 měsíci +2

      You realize that was an animation right? Same as the Indian spongebob squarepants single serve slurpee machine moon cartoon.

    • @jackturner3867
      @jackturner3867 Před 7 měsíci

      NO WAY THIS ANIMATION IS AN ANIMATION???!??!??!?!?!? HOW DARE I EXPRESS MY EMOTION!1!1!1!@@richspillman4191

  • @RHM2116
    @RHM2116 Před 7 měsíci +16

    This is part of the Constellation Program, I say this because of Orion (CEV) which is very similar

    • @alrightydave
      @alrightydave Před 7 měsíci +3

      Yeah it was the earliest design with a large Methalox service module too

    • @fridaycaliforniaa236
      @fridaycaliforniaa236 Před 7 měsíci

      There was an Altair lander, if I remember right

  • @isiahdial8064
    @isiahdial8064 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This CGI looks amazing

  • @sealpiercing8476
    @sealpiercing8476 Před 7 měsíci +7

    I'd love to see you try MOOSE one of these days

  • @craigw.scribner6490
    @craigw.scribner6490 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Great job! Loved your Apollo 12 landing narration. Thanks for another fantastic video!

  • @oliwierkwiatkowski8817
    @oliwierkwiatkowski8817 Před 7 měsíci +4

    What a kerbalesque machine!
    I love it!

  • @Yukihuru
    @Yukihuru Před 7 měsíci +7

    割り切った構造が興味深く面白いです。
    そして眺めは抜群に良いでしょうから、クルーは最高の着陸体験を得られたはずですね。

  • @ajds
    @ajds Před 7 měsíci

    Gorgeous, and syncing with the historical radio (I am guessing) was amazing. The scene after landing may be your best ever - totally believable, with excellent music. Thank you.

  • @braderickson9996
    @braderickson9996 Před 7 měsíci +5

    An unexpected surprise, did not expect another video so soon
    after Flash Gordon's ship.
    I guess you could do the "convertible" option for lunar
    landings/ascents. Would be spending a lot more time in the spacesuit.

  • @dziban303
    @dziban303 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Wheres the guy shouting JOHN MADDEN

  • @mmontagart
    @mmontagart Před 6 měsíci +1

    Wonderful animation. Terrified at the very thought of such a journey!

  • @alrightydave
    @alrightydave Před 7 měsíci +7

    I’m assuming this was alternate constellation, not just an Apollo study bc of the early Orion design with a large Methalox service module?
    Might still be relevant if we don’t have a working HLS tbh for Artemis 3. Wouldn’t be too hard to slap this thing together compared to building a pressurised module with it as well and doesn’t matter much for a short minutes long trip to the surface
    Would’ve worked better to descend from LLO with Orion’s more capable service module but with ESM you’d want an even more capable lander with more delta v unpressurised still and start the burn at periapsis so they’d hang out in LLO for an hour maybe before descent to the South Pole, then rendevouz would be an issue and would force them to stay in a habitat on the surface for a bit

    • @HalNordmann
      @HalNordmann Před 7 měsíci +2

      According to After LM, this concept was studied in May 2006, utilizing suit-ports and a pressurized habitat in the descent stage. Total mass around 20t

  • @poyplanecrazy
    @poyplanecrazy Před 7 měsíci +2

    Good vid as always

  • @user-of2su2wv9f
    @user-of2su2wv9f Před 22 dny

    Pete Conrad, Al Bean, Dick Gordon. Back to the moon. They sound fresh as ever. 😊🎉🙏

  • @yumazster
    @yumazster Před 7 měsíci +1

    That was better than most on an already excellent channel!

  • @sundland100
    @sundland100 Před 7 měsíci +2

    This is the recording of the landing of Apollo 12 - november 19th, 1969 and mainly the voice of astronaut Pete Conrad in the pressurized Lunar Module?

  • @marcmanklow
    @marcmanklow Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing how good CGI is !

  • @robertevans6481
    @robertevans6481 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video....music is on point!!!

  • @FatovMikhail
    @FatovMikhail Před 7 měsíci +4

    who didn't send kerbals to eeloo like this

  • @jameswilson5165
    @jameswilson5165 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Great animation but they would be absolutely covered in dust.

    • @Muckytuja
      @Muckytuja Před 7 měsíci +3

      Moonwalkers were covered in dust anyway. Their suits become electrostatic, so they really attracted the particles, no matter what they did.

  • @randycampbell6307
    @randycampbell6307 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Wonderful video as usual and great work! Couldn't help but think someone should have said at the end "Don't forget where we parked" just to be a pain :)

  • @motokid6008
    @motokid6008 Před 7 měsíci

    Beautiful.

  • @milxl
    @milxl Před 7 měsíci +1

    That's one of your best 👌

  • @orion14operative
    @orion14operative Před 7 měsíci

    beautiful!

  • @LemniscateBiscuit
    @LemniscateBiscuit Před 7 měsíci

    This is awsome.

  • @dogwater4u
    @dogwater4u Před 5 měsíci

    nice well done

  • @u1zha
    @u1zha Před 7 měsíci

    What a ride.

  • @fredamber8238
    @fredamber8238 Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing!

  • @SuperPietro09best
    @SuperPietro09best Před 7 měsíci

    Man this looks like your average ksp minimalist mun lander
    Also grat animation as always

  • @terencewong-lane4309
    @terencewong-lane4309 Před 7 měsíci

    *Mindblowing*

  • @ShimaJiro2205
    @ShimaJiro2205 Před 7 měsíci +1

    To me, NASA's English sounds like a baseball broadcast. New York Yankees vs Seattle Mariners?

  • @Strelnikov403
    @Strelnikov403 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I question why a minimalist, skeletal, unpressurised spacecraft would need complicated, heavy, pressure-bearing docking hardware... Surely Soyuz LOK-style tunnelless system or simple clamps would suffice?

  • @thomaseubank1503
    @thomaseubank1503 Před 7 měsíci

    3:16 Who is that? How did he get there first? Is that Kilroy?

  • @-K-Depbluhole
    @-K-Depbluhole Před 7 měsíci

    whoa bro

  • @vinceschauf9437
    @vinceschauf9437 Před 7 měsíci

    The audio is from Apollo 12

  • @thecocomonk2657
    @thecocomonk2657 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Can someone explain the logic/advantage of an unpressurised lander in lunar exploration architecture? The best I can figure is it might just be overall lighter.

    • @bc1969214
      @bc1969214 Před 7 měsíci +1

      It's just a ride to/from a nearby base, the only life support is the suit.

    • @HalNordmann
      @HalNordmann Před 7 měsíci +2

      And it is not entirely unpressurized, it has a small habitat module in the descent stage

    • @robdixson196
      @robdixson196 Před 3 měsíci

      Yeah, weight is a HUGE factor in space flight. The obvious downside here is crew comfort. Provided you had a pressurized habitat waiting for them on the moon this would be workable as a quick to/from orbit shuttle. I can't honestly say if workable translates to a good idea or not. For example someone tossing their cookies or having explosive diarhea would quickly become potentially fatal in a setup like this

  • @allenlea8310
    @allenlea8310 Před 7 měsíci

    From what source was the excellent dialogue derived?

  • @RollWithTheChanges
    @RollWithTheChanges Před 7 měsíci

    Anyone notice the Astronaut/Cosmonaut (dunno) at 3:19 ?

  • @nickiwelch3805
    @nickiwelch3805 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Holy shit what do I gotta do to get myself there.. I wanna go sooo bad 🤣 and I'm 47 now. ✌️👍👌🥰💖

  • @miles2378
    @miles2378 Před 7 měsíci

    Is this a alternative lunar lander from apolo Era?

  • @FixedWing82
    @FixedWing82 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Imagine going all the way from Earth orbit to the lunar surface like this

    • @alrightydave
      @alrightydave Před 7 měsíci +2

      No they would’ve gone to the moon from LEO in Orion, just the short surface descent in the unpressurised lander

    • @fatitankeris6327
      @fatitankeris6327 Před 5 měsíci

      Not a good idea, as radiation and micrometeorite shielding, as well as thermal, would be better with a different design rather than open.

  • @liammeech3702
    @liammeech3702 Před 2 měsíci +1

    How would you surive in an EVA-suit for 7 days?

    • @archierush868
      @archierush868 Před 18 dny

      I assume they would only be on the surface for maybe a day at max and would just hook up to the lander for oxygen and to rest. They may have enough food inside the suits for a day’s stay. All assumptions tho

  • @SamIIs
    @SamIIs Před 3 měsíci

    That would be way to scary exposed to the void of space like that with nothing shielding you. The absents of an outer skin assembly could cause Linus Van Pelt syndrome.

  • @geoffreylee2770
    @geoffreylee2770 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I hope for God's sake that everyone understands that this is just a simulation like the film 2001. May be one day they might try to make this real.
    I can't believe some of the comments.

  • @vitalegvitalegov
    @vitalegvitalegov Před 7 měsíci

    Why they run like it should explode? 🙄

  • @robertmystyk1875
    @robertmystyk1875 Před 7 měsíci

    Can't wait till people start posting videos online of the astronauts walking around the Moon😂🎉 from earth

  • @papawilson-ci1yi
    @papawilson-ci1yi Před 7 měsíci +2

    Who's taking the pictures

    • @geoffchapman2850
      @geoffchapman2850 Před 7 měsíci

      So the guy filming this is he in a spacesuit? 😂

  • @guillermoValdez369
    @guillermoValdez369 Před 7 měsíci

    Is this supposed to be real?

  • @rjung_ch
    @rjung_ch Před 4 měsíci

    Funny to hear them using feet in the dialogue, don't they use metric in space travel? Like over 190 nations use it... was under the impression that NASA uses metric.

  • @theOrionsarms
    @theOrionsarms Před 7 měsíci

    Why not a pressurized rover with humans on board? That sounds much better than putting humans in space suit directly on the moon, with no option of exit from them, until reach orbit again.

    • @randycampbell6307
      @randycampbell6307 Před 7 měsíci

      This assumes there are other "options" already on the Moon such as a pre-landed hab (or in this case existing outpost) that the astronauts can go to and get out of the suits

    • @theOrionsarms
      @theOrionsarms Před 7 měsíci

      @@randycampbell6307 yeah, but the landing site needs to be in the walking range of a human in space suit, a rover would have much better change to reach that base if the landing area is further away than was intended.

    • @randycampbell6307
      @randycampbell6307 Před 7 měsíci

      @@theOrionsarms Hence the last bit showing the hab is a short distance away and them walking to it. :)
      I think the number of already landed habs and landers they passed over before landing is another indication this was meant to be part of a major push effort but I'll admit I don't see a need for an "open" lander in such an effort. More to the "point" if I recall the study being used it was essentially the lander they could afford given the lack of funding at the time.

    • @theOrionsarms
      @theOrionsarms Před 7 měsíci

      @@randycampbell6307 what I want to said is that,on landing you need anyway to bring more than few humans in the spacesuit,why don't land a carrier for that, like a heavy rover for example, thing would be different at launch,a small launcher that can only launch four people in their spacesuit make sense I guess.

  • @hubbsllc
    @hubbsllc Před 7 měsíci

    I'm not digging having four engines. If one of them cut out, you're looking at an abort or the opposing one would have to shut down immediately to maintain attitude. But if it can still fly and land on two engines, why is it carrying the weight of four?

    • @44R0Ndin
      @44R0Ndin Před 7 měsíci +3

      If it can land on 2, but has 4, it has room for any single engine to fail.
      If it only has 2, any engine failure dooms the crew.
      It's called redundancy, and even airliners have it. Why do you think fly-by-wire jets like the F-16 have 5 flight control computers?
      That allows for TWO failures, AS WELL as providing "majority vote exclusion" of a bad computer most of the time (until you get down to 2 computers), because DETECTING which computer isn't working right is JUST as important as having enough computers in the first place to have spares.
      But the engine thing with this lander is the same kind of thing with why airliners still have 2 engines.
      Fun fact, even if a modern airliner (which usually only has 2 engines) has an engine failure at THE WORST TIME during Takeoff (right at the point where it's no longer possible to reject the takeoff), it's designed with enough extra engine power in EACH ENGINE to be able to CLIMB at 1000 feet per minute. Up at high altitude, you won't be able to maintain as high of a cruise speed as normal if an engine fails, because there BOTH engines need to contribute, but in most cases you'll still have enough spare capacity to allow diversion to an airport along the flight route that can handle landing whatever aircraft has the failed engine.
      This is all codified in aviation law (in the US) by the ETOPS specification, which stands for Extended Twin-engine Operations.
      Virtually all aircraft are rated for ETOPS 120, which means that they're RATED to be safe to continue flying on ONLY ONE ENGINE for up to 2 hours (the number in the rating is the number of minutes it's rated for single-engine operation).
      Most very-long-range aircraft are rated for ETOPS 180 or longer, because this allows them to theoretically fly point-to-point to any airport within their operational range, while still having enough fuel to divert to an alternate airport if something like weather or an accident prevents landing at the intended destination airport.
      The FAA's rules and laws were, unfortunately, written in the blood of those lost in aviation accidents.
      And so are at least some of NASA's laws about component-level redundancy in spacecraft design.

    • @hubbsllc
      @hubbsllc Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@44R0Ndin No doom - abort. The Apollo LM had one descent engine for a reason. If it failed, the crew could abort without upsetting the attitude.

    • @randycampbell6307
      @randycampbell6307 Před 7 měsíci +2

      It's meant so they don't have to abort with an engine out. The design aims to land first and abort only if they have no other option. The Apollo LEM was built around the idea that aborting was your ONLY other option every flight since you only had the one engine at any phase of flight.

    • @hubbsllc
      @hubbsllc Před 7 měsíci

      @@randycampbell6307 Ahh, but if you lose one engine on descent and don't abort, you'd have to shut the opposing engine immediately So when you say "It's meant so they don't have to abort with an engine out" what the scenario would really be is "they don't have to abort with *two* engines out." If you can land on two, why carry four? The posture becomes, carry two engines as hot spares for the other two. Think about it - if an engine has X% probability of failing on descent, then the probability of having one of four fail becomes 1-((1-X)^4). A 1% probability for one engine becomes 3.9% for four. It's like you're carrying spares to cover for a problem you yourself are creating.

    • @44R0Ndin
      @44R0Ndin Před 7 měsíci

      @@randycampbell6307 It seems strange and unlike NASA to attempt to continue to a landing with something so serious as an engine failure, which are violent enough to throw high velocity fragments in nearly any direction, but of interest would be directions where they would have a chance of piercing the propellant tanks. If the fragments from an engine failure pierce the propellant tanks, no amount of extra engines will "save the mission" and allow you to continue to a safe landing.
      In that case, your only option is to abort, and in so doing abandon the descent stage. This is still a 2-stage design after all, just like the Apollo LM.
      Because these sort of decisions need to be made quickly, and it is not prudent to rely on a computer to tell you what happened, any failure of any engine is in fact reason to abort (or if it's an ascent engine failure, and there's only one ascent engine, that would indeed be certain doom). The computer can be relied on to detect the engine failure (perhaps before it becomes highly damaging), however even then the decision is always "abort back to orbit using the ascent stage" and never "use the crippled descent stage in an unknown state of functionality to attempt to make a safe landing, with an unknown performance reserve (or shortfall)".
      NASA does risky things, but given that the risky thing must be attempted, they choose the method of attempting it that has the lowest possible risk.
      And continuing the landing when your descent stage loses an engine (damaging nothing, or who knows what other systems, or HOW MUCH it damages them), is not "the least possible risk".
      NASA will never do that. The thing probably needed 4 engines because it needed 4 engines, not because it needed 2 and had 4 for redundancy. These are probably not RL-10 based engines either, they're probably pressure-fed hydrolox engines, likely with hydrogen based combustion chamber cooling. I highly doubt that they have any sort of turbopump whatsoever, because that invites far too much risk. Same with the ascent stage, it too will almost certainly be using simple, easily controlled, pressure fed hypergolic engines.
      Remember, NASA always chooses the least risky option. And if losing an engine results in asymmetric thrust (and the attitude control issue that brings with it), that means that the design is likely disqualified on that demerit alone.

  • @povelitel_shavermy
    @povelitel_shavermy Před 7 měsíci +1

    все не как у людей

  • @mathiaslist6705
    @mathiaslist6705 Před 7 měsíci

    Wild fantasies! Avoid walking and flying around in spacesuits it's definitely not healthy

  • @anthonyhunt701
    @anthonyhunt701 Před 7 měsíci

    This is crazy…could do it for just 2 to get us on the Moon before 🇨🇳

    • @dziban303
      @dziban303 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Who cares

    • @stevevernon1978
      @stevevernon1978 Před 7 měsíci

      a reminder, there is NO race to be the first on the moon. We Already Did It.

    • @RocketPal
      @RocketPal Před 3 měsíci

      China is not even close to going to the moon

  • @tonywindtonywind
    @tonywindtonywind Před 7 měsíci

    Some great cgi going on for those of you clowns who think this is actually real ffs!

    • @RocketPal
      @RocketPal Před 3 měsíci +1

      Bro this is an animation, are you alright

  • @user-vy3op1yv7y
    @user-vy3op1yv7y Před 7 měsíci +2

    Зачем летать на луну если
    На поверхности луны голый камень и там делать нечего, пустая трата денег .

    • @stevevernon1978
      @stevevernon1978 Před 7 měsíci

      Благодарим вас за ваши текущие и будущие вклады в бюджет Соединенных Штатов Америки. (Если это к вам не относится, то это не ваши деньги.)

    • @fatitankeris6327
      @fatitankeris6327 Před 5 měsíci

      Developing that stupid "steam machine" was probably viewed the same...

  • @rickyrodriguez5744
    @rickyrodriguez5744 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Why is every single TV commercial about a black person now?

    • @stevevernon1978
      @stevevernon1978 Před 7 měsíci +4

      why is every CZcams comment completely unrelated to the content posted?

    • @Kenocala
      @Kenocala Před 7 měsíci

      👍