Cosmology and the Evolution of Consciousness | Brian Swimme Ph.D. | Waking Cosmos
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- Did the universe require the evolution of conscious life? How does our evolving picture of the universe impact human life? How much do we know about the nature of reality? Cosmologist Brian Swimme joins Adrian on the Waking Cosmos podcast to discuss these subjects and more!
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I hope you enjoy my conversation with cosmologist Brian Swimme. What do you think about the subjects we discussed?
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Can you see the possibility of bringing into your discussions the existence of other intelligences out there who may be considering these ideas, even reaching out and influencing the evolution of things beyond their sphere, or even influencing us in some subtle ways (ok, that sounds tin-foil-on-head-time, but I do think this is an idea that can't be entirely dismissed). When Rupert Sheldrake talks about crystal replication growing easier regardless of distances developing via repetition (ie becoming habitual), could not matter on our world be influenced in kind by minds/consciousness on other worlds? All of your discussions do seem to talk about consciousness in isolation, seemingly based on the premise we are the lone beings---the only ones---involved in this "mind" thing in the universe. Or....is that taking you too far afield?
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The fact that we are not cheering for your perspectives and interviews by the millions, simply indicates how much humankind still has to learn.
Ah thanks Joris! :)
Watched three times. The best of untold thousands of videos I've watched. Bio major, elementary educator, 73 yo lifelong learner, writer, inventor. Thank you!
Thank you very much Daniel! That's great to hear!
Consciousness it's the very edge of current capacity to understand. Thanks to explore and share this existential quest . 👍🎯🎯
Thank you for joining us!
I am pleased that what is written in our very being is at last openly talked about. Within, it has always been perceived as self protectionism to say that "this is the only living planet". As with this exposure it will continue to be peeled away in layers to reveal more knowledge than we have dared talk about. I for one cannot wait for this info to come out.
So glad l found this channel. In my own 'uneducated' way l have been searching for insights from observers who can articulate the connection l feel to everything around me. For the last 30 years l've felt a change in consciousness is coming. I hope to live long enough to experience a new, more enlightened age. I see the current state of our world as a struggle of the new awareness against a destructive, egocentric belief system, represented by corporate greed and military domination. I believe change will come. The force released by a collective desire for a new way of being will ultimately achieve it. You're making a valuable contribution to that Adrian.
I agree. We believe. I think this is OUR world, and we should press these perceptions on other ppl. Via online or in person. So long as we dont commit suicide the world will move forward and ppl like you and i will always have that little ability to infect positivity.
I truly wish more people viewed your work and these interviews, I think that the world needs more of this way of thinking. Here's to hoping that these things will become more a part of mainstream awareness soon.
Thank you! Perhaps one day.
Glad you're still posting! Thank you!!
Much more to come my friend.
I, m doing my quarantene here in Paraguay. So you Adram and Brian was my good friends during all my night. It was a beautifull journey. Thank you
45:58 onwards brought a tear to my eyes
As a student of yogic philosophy I am amused and pleased that so many of your ideas apparently come from same. Potency into actuality; inherent organizing intelligence; intuitive consciousness.
Thank you
You're welcome!
Love you're channel it's very eye opening keep up the great work!
@@efrag41988 Thanks Eric. That's great to hear!
Thank you so much Brian, and Adrian, I love that you "know of each other existence".
Thank you! Beautiful 😊👍👍👍🕊🍀
Thank you!
This is awesome 😎 I have been trying to tell people and show them how to read the purpose of the universe for 30 years but no one gets it... my 2003 book explains the core ideas but there is so much more! It is my deepest desire that people finally be ready to understand what I have been trying to say all this time, but world views, assumptions, egos, titles etc keep getting in the way! I will not be alive for many more productive years and I need people to listen to me no matter how it scares them. My book can now be revised for 2020 because I now have 14 more modern books doing EXACTLY what I said needed to be done such as realizing that the universe is a BOOK to read, and as such is not what it represents (Don Hoffman) and I show that we need to define and systematically investigate synchronicities and Gary E. Schwartz is doing exactly what I proposed. Others are Lanza showing how the universe is set up for life, which is the entire topic of my book, and the manifestation people are letting people see our evolutionary power, also what I explain and why. Time “flows” both ways we just see the 2 in 2 different ways or hemispheres if you will. Tonini is covering my idea if instantaneous information integration, and Kastrup nails it with the all is mind angle. My book is called “The Textbook of the Universe: The Genetic Ascent to God” and I am in the process of revising it to include the newer research which has been unanimously backing up everything I said. The universe is an information structure teaching machine. Hameroff and his idea of micro tubules is trying to answer the one big “missing dark matter” of the mind as I called it originally in my 1994 paper to Brain and Cognition and which I sent to Francis Crick. I thought it might be the glial cells and said that perhaps time as we know it was created by the neurons, and the glial cells might be outside normal time. Whatever it is-it may be a fundamental property of the universe that the original unity is still here and distributed everywhere behind everything and experienced in us as consciousness. Further, we were MEANT TO LEARN and are an integral information component of the universe. I don’t know everything but I have sacrificed my life for this stuff and I deserve to be heard. My contribution is very important for all of us. This kind of thing is why free speech is important. Moreover it is why trees bloom in the darkness offering nectar to the gods of reproduction shrouded in darkness forever. Faith. All of the universe is telling us who we are and why we are one.
I'm thankful I'm on quarantine because it led me to finding this.
Excellent! I will replay this conversation many times - as I do all of your others. I learn something every time that I listen.
Thanks Adrian
Reductionism and reductionism tells us that we are just the sum of our parts. I have always felt we are so much more. I so often hear people say that looking at the stars and contemplating the universe makes them feel so small. I always feel we are spectacularly special. Consider how amazing we are, with our ability to consider the wonders of life on our beautiful planet and the vastness of the universe. You would have to travel a very long way to find another planet so beautiful and inhabited by beings so intelligent that they can comprehend their place in the cosmos.
A wonderful exposition. Thank you
Some great content you're producing on this channel, glad I stumbled across it :)
Thanks matey!
Love this!
The first social operating system (language) is what causes the biggest disconnect with our ability to understand consciousness.
Wow👍
Indeed! Our language determines our stories :)
Very interesting to think about!
The only reason why language is flawed is because people have different meanings for the some word while at other times we have no words for some meanings.
Wow such a fantastic dialogue, i totally hope that utopistic unity will come and all people will aknowledge how connected we are and change our ways of living!
I totally adore everything you discussed and i appreciate your work a lot!
Thank you Georgiana!
I find most of the postings in metarising interesting, informative & good food for thought. I save many of those.
If min 17:36 don’t give chills then u don’t need to go any further with this vid or Curiosity on the subject and move on to something else because that was a great great line
Good to see you have a show posted again enjoy your work I just picked up a book at the library called the origins of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind, by Julian Jaynes quite interesting, not sure if I agree exactly about the origins of consciousness he presents I still have a lot more to read though.
Wow. Thank you for this. 👌
Glad you enjoyed it! :)
Meta Rising it would be awesome if you could have Bernardo Kastrup on your show I think that would be very interesting.
Excellent💗
Thank you Nisha!
You guys have some nice shows.
Wat a great insight on 2 great opened minded human beings..who as taken wat knowledge they received up till now in there lives..& share to others bout purpose & meaning which is the foundation of this wonderful universe..because a materialist view would say its value is why universe here..that's not enough for me & thank u both for sharing a true insight on existence.
...and it becomes aware that it is aware... Genius
As always, very insightful. Thanks so much for your work. Would love to listen to a conversation between you and Menas Kafatos someday.
Thanks Mike! I'd really like to talk with Menas. I actually interviewed him before a few years ago, but we were outside, and the wind ruined the recording!
U guys are the best
good yes
Your videos are great so keep doing them. :-)
Okay, I will!
Recall when, if I remember correctly, a wheat seed was built in a laboratory years ago. It was planted and waited upon but it just sat doing nothing. It was decided that nothing happened because maybe it needed the same electrical current that was discovered in every living thing but the seed still sat. So than it was decided there is an element or factor called 'life' that was missing but this was discovered to be unavailable to man - he could not produce this life, this spirit that has been found in every living thing.
Amazing talk about and for the New Paradigm.
Is it me, or does Mr. Nelson sound like scientist Brian Cox? Either way, Adrian plays an integral part in this shift.
I'm happy you enjoyed the talk. I'm not sure about the Brian Cox comparison, but you aren't the first to say that.
Wouldn't it be funny if the answer to the big questions were easier to explain than expected & such a simple explanation would help all mankind understand almost instantly how the universe came into existence 🤔
It’s so wonderful and sounded so very familiar that I am led to believe that I am early listening to Indian Rishis during a discourse on a modern Upanishad.
I hope this touches someone -. Ive been on a philosophy/ontology kick. Very interesting thought provoking stuff.
Heres why i think its important to have discussions like the ones metaRising has..
So..mainstream science has become to plain and colorless. Science isnt just about learning what can be measured and documented in a material sense. There is and should always be a self derived purposeful goal. We have faith in science because it helps us better manage our own future as a whole, not as a separate identity.
Modern understanding of physics has made huge leaps in short periods of time....yet we still have problems with our social economics systems. What good does the discovery of the Higgs boson do when your own family members/friends commit suicide or starve or kill eachother? Im not implying that our progression through science is wrong. Im implying that we should pay attention to balance instead of thinking in terms of absolutes.
I see ppl argue their own POV to the bone from both the sides of physics and spirituality. This is why i like Bernardo Kastrup. Hes trying to form a theory that promotes humanity to regroup and move forward in a positive way.
Humility is a great tool. Personally, i always feel stronger when I admit that i do not know the true nature of existence...and i think we could all level up this way.
Whew... Thats all i got...it took a lot out of me. I do hope someone reads this cuz it really was from my poor heart. ✌ i hope someone sends some feedback cuz i barley hanging by a thread here.
Science looks to understand the properties of the universe, through logic. While ethics and philosophy are more about the core principles of how we interact with the world around us. Unfortunately, our ceriocity is more powerful than our desire to fix how we interact with each other. But, that is just the world we live in, I wish we could change that, but we can't
Thank you my dear
My question would be why Earth? Why didn't Venus or Mercury or Jupiter also have this relationship?
Strong emergence can only be explained by reductionist theories if the laws of physics were such that they always had the properties of self organization built into them. Thus consciousness was an inevitable fact in the universe.
I expect a PhD to have the facts correct. Copernicus wasn’t the first to propose that we live on a sphere. It was the Ancient Greeks - Erastothenes
I think it’s awesome that we are inconsequential to the universe. If only we hadn’t structured our lives and societies, mainly (seemingly) through religion and money, to where everyone took life so gd seriously, we could relax and relish in the fact we don’t matter. We could enjoy the people and things we enjoy and understand we got this weird opportunity to be conscious beings for a few decades and that’s it. But no, we work jobs we’re miserable in for our whole useful lives just to afford to eat and live safely, and worry about what people think, then die. It’s a sad state of affairs.
We are made of star stuff...
How about this: we are in a petri dish of some other life form in another Universe trying to prove that Universes evolve into a sentient being. Imagine the joy of this other councious being finding out that it is true. Now, what does this councious being (the creator) do with us?????
Hope you have fully recovered from the COVID attack.
Where is the Love ?
If Brian knows anything about Jung (he quotes him). Then he should know our religious stories aren’t at all puny.
I want someone to explain to me how law of attraction a.k.a the power of belief, a.k.a re programming your subconscious mind, a.k.a religion, a.k.a spirituality, a.k.a improving your self confidence (lol) works in relation to these scientific findings and theories. How can we make sense of the universe, if we consider how there is a underlying power of belief that leads to manifestations which is experienced by millions of people and the fact that everything that created the stars, which created us, was happening on purpose and not by fluke. Now consider this, so the fact that we are in control of this universe by the power of our belief and manifestations, can we say that all this is happening within consciousness. Consciousness is the infinite force that is creating all this, or is there something greater ? And if consciousness was to be experienced, it’s not what we are experiencing, we are experiencing it through our beliefs and perspectives. But to experience it in its pure form is maybe what the whole journey is about. Humans will eventually experience consciousness without any filters. And then maybe the cycle starts again. Any thoughts on this?
I am a listener and seeker of both scientific facts and the facts of the spiritual realm, and I find that my mind is not able to stitch these two truths together to arrive at a clearer picture. I am wondering if there’s anyone here who is wondered about it and came to an answer!?
There is as the science of how they go to do trail and error for testing to prove what is real in physical world as that is simply cause if you can only look at a object a solid one that has a surface, only there is where they can go as far as in length of limits to be going as far as understanding to what they can in life as cause they choose the control and having no way for any other outcome that is always in motion most of the time or be to come in motion is very plane and nothing of what is gone into it is really of life to start so its harder to do and has long time to come to consider outcome they were already try to have happen before even beginning. So all they are doing is making life force its reaction to have the result cause how many ways the choose to have as being the element that is to do so. That was little bit at the end of that off on what else, but by spiritual it has what you can sense inside of what the object is in doing the same thing but with how your relation you could put to feelings that you can only go to the surface of it but without touching the object and not be in the instant be as you planted or change it by coming in contact cause then you would of put what came from your self to also to there and wouldn't be the same object anymore but couldnt prove this cause this goes for what would be inside the soild object and the way one would open it and see which would in that moment make it into what ever was on the surface, the other you would not open it and and still be able to look inside by how your sense would say by identifying it, this also comes to where you'll feel like you know by looking at it longer and have to put thought to it and be alright with what comes to mind to say what is inside cause it will be totally different in what it would inside cause you did open or break the surface, it all about being able to see pass the way your already know what you have been said to describe to as being then close your eyes after a bit of looking and be still thinking of it and see if your able to see it still or imagined or or image it from what you from this and that is more spiritual realm like as in reality. Your welcome
From Cole
One more part it's alot more simple if your way of experience was able to have the guidance of who could give the belief that your taking a path that was lead to be gone already by someone to have your manifestation to come to consciousness of a person who is try to keep everything together while this is occurring and has to be with soon others that are will to expand the human experience In the belief or belive In what all this about to be real and have that be done is the difference between why there is has been a problem in rate of how it is being that said am always trying to give what is to be next without those who are using this in their own way and denying the reality of it from being who is working on it amazing that people have gotten this far with how this is time scale where your at and where I am at are match from my past and getting closer to where they are gaining the journey I've take. And still on with how I have thought of so much that it's trouble the fact the next very thinking of can bring something to use and it's as if (things) are making it hard to let what next to bring forward for there is another plan that others want and don't want to believe it is who is but steal it have it become their own and not attempt they are doing so even thou I have given chance after chance In how they could come foreright and not purpose be hidden and be as to stop my thoughts in how they are producing this flow of how life is forming it to be around and is the cause of the forming of what is you may have written in your comment here. Again. This Cole who has Me and You always covering me up
There's something very strange going on with the human brain right now.
I don't think that it is new.Cosmogenisis is perhaps just a new name for Panentheism?Whereby the Prime Infuser is infusing itself into space/time.A sort of modern version of Plotinus's emanation theories of nearly 2000 years ago?
Awareness is not born in humanity, intelligence neither, we are part of the communicative face of an evolving universe, the only thing we do is talk about it between us. We have a role in the cosmos of course, and in Earth system, more importantly, and this role in its homeostasis and evolution is what we've being pushing away, as playing this religious, economic, politic, etc., games we have created.
how is reducing us to stardust not reductionist? he's still saying we're just atoms, but reminding us of their source.
he's hardly the first to put this poetic spin on it either, in fact it's a cliche among science popularizers.
I agree. He made a bunch of weird jumps and declarations. Im glad you noticed that too cuz i was was like wait...wtf? Hahaha
Dude prbly means good... Good catch tho
From a single cell we evolved. We became more complex as time went on. Our brain went from one full organ to having a split down the middle. Where does evolution of the concious go from there? One might say that a split personality is the next step in evolution and people are being misdiagnosed and misguided. The spirit healers of old aren't around anymore so therefore people are forced into alternatives like medications. I whole heartedly disagree with what you have established as insane, and infact fully understand it is the next step in evolution and people are being denied their rights to their freedom of personal growth.
Do you recognize Bernardo Kastrup? He talks about this. It could be described as a disassociation. If we could start perceiving our own existence from the inside out...i think it would help soo much. We have to keep in mind that there will always be ppl who are defiant to the end...but never give up on them. See them (and everyone) as just a different version of yourself.
I actually have disassociative identity disorder, and live can be tough..but im tougher. Even though i might die extremely sad and alone...i know that there is a greater good and a higher purpose.
Im super glad to see your comment. It helps me a lot.
Ive been wondering where consciousness should go too. I think consciousness itself beat works when it doesnt choose a side but instead stays consciously aware that it can remember the past and direct its future. I think once 1 sets their mind on a singular absolution, its unhealthy.
Ive been contemplating what we might be able to do with simulating reality. Like...maybe we could create a simulation where a consciousness can experience itself by plugging our organic brains into a super computer that can simulate everything we experience, but at a much high frame rate,(meaning we could slow down time). For example...ive had plenty of experiences where i consciously measured my own time in dreams where the dream felt like hours but the next time i woke up, it was 7-8 minutes later. Ive also been knocked unconscious more times than an entire football team put together. I would regain awareness and not know what time it was because i felt like i experienced hours upon hours, when my friends said i was only out for 1-2 minutes. I used to be an extreme sports addict...and knocked myself of the pavement.. Also had fake friends who convinced me into knocking myself out. (I dont recommend this lol!) We were stupid as fuck. Anyway...i dont think we should try to find a way to live forever via super computers. We had a begging.. And the end/death, might be an unknown door that we cant see the other side, but may be something that is a god given gateway.
Lol...srry for the long ass 2nd msg.
Whats your thoughts tho?
Ancient knowledge of ancient world is non Western in origination ..One has to visit Hindu philosophy first before passing judgements..BHOOGOL is a Vedic term..PANPSYCHISM is a old sanskrit idea...
A big bang universe, finite universe reminds me of flat Earth you walk to the edge and fall off. They're both dumb theories.
There is a fundamental difference between the two that you have missed, literally almost everything in the universe we have observed up to this point, points to everything being all in the same location, also known as a singularity, where time and space were zero and energy was infinite.
Man will always be seeking God. He probably has 9 billion names.