Regen is super important if you commute long distances all year. Instead of changing pads almost monthly during the wet and muddy months, you won't change pads for many years. With ebikes you are able to haul more cargo and higher speeds, bicycle pads cannot cope and wear super fast. Regen is essential. During the snowy and icy months, regen acts like ABS, the wheel doesn't lock when braking. Also regen braking performance isn't affected by weather the way exposed brakes would be. I used cheap, grippy, resin pads. Maybe some super expensive pads will last longer. Now I'm on rim brakes so regen is even more important.
What really makes it worth it is that it will save brake pad wear. I am making this comment as my bike is waiting on new brake pads which I ordered yesterday. A few extra miles of range is not a big deal but the brake wear savings would be more important to me in the long run.
Actually I think I agree with this I have a Nissan leaf and I'm on 50k Miles city driving and I was was told my brake pads are not even close to recommend a brake pad changed thanks to regen. That said I do remember trying a scooter with regen and that was so jerky when it activated I turned it off after 5 minutes. Perhaps the better kits have modulation
I think in an automotive application this would be realistic. The regen on an ebike cannot do any serious braking however. Regen on ebikes would essentially just add drag to the bike. But when you have to brake and come to a quick stop (more than half the time, and where brake pad wear occurs) regen doesnt help at all. In a car it does.
@@JohnnyNerdOut In my neighborhood of steep hills I am regularly riding my brakes down the hills to keep my speeds reasonable and safe. I sometimes drag a foot to brake (wears down my shoe soles surprisingly fast), and/or sit high with elbows spread to get some air braking because I hate just riding the brakes down the hills, but if not braking, I would be unsafely over 40mph in 25mph neighborhood. If you ride in a relatively flat or gentle rolling hills area, I agree with you that there is no need for regen braking (especially because regen programming may not be ideal), but I am presently changing Tektro pads with around 1950 miles on the bike. I am sure there is a lot of bad regen programming out there, and I would never want to lose the coasting on my bike like you do on some cars that are programmed for one pedal driving, but if rider could activate regen manually by pushing thumb throttle in reverse direction, that would be ideal imo. For emergency and quick stops I like having my big hydraulic discs (I ride a Zooz), but for more gradual slowing and stopping, or riding down big hills or a mountain, regen would be much better than simply grating the pads away. With a manual regen, I am sure I could make my brakes last thousands of miles longer, getting a little extra juice/range is a small bonus.
How much are your brakes pads anyway? I just replaced the pads on my SLX brakes with some aftermarket ones (TruckerCo). 10 bucks every few thousand miles doesn't represent anywhere close to enough savings to justify the added complexity of regen.
@@wesflack992 I agree, I wish there was better advancements in Regen braking for ebikes. Even if it only gets back a little power and only saves a little of pads, its better to not leave power and $$ on the table.
And I just put together that the company i just emailed for a conversion quote was YOU. I'm lucky like that - I think we live in the same town! 😆😆. Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing from you 👍
I want my Ebike to have one. It is good for additional braking element. I have an electric kick scooter and this regen/motor braking is a big help. Even if the brake pads is not fully touching the rotor, it can slow you down just by the regen braking. I wish there is a way to active my Ebike regen braking. I'm not into how much actual "regen" it can do. If I want more range, use larger battery capacity.
Biggest problem with regen. is that it tobs you of range. Thst's right, it robs you because in cycling you are coasting alot. Regenerative braking is drag. So, it robs you of coasting miles most of us use on each and every ride.
First video of yours I've watched where I disagree with you! I welded the clutch on my 5 year old Rad Rhino (Rover) and now get 50-70% more range on a charge. It makes a lot of sense, particularly on these cheap and heavy cruiser -style frames that are so common now. I just have mine set to kick in automatically whenever I go over 15mph, and whenever i use the brakes. I can adjust the intensity of the regen using the thumb throttle - whenever I press the brake lever it stops being a throttle and turns into the regen controller. It stops me far quicker than pads can, and as soon as the wheel slips the regen eases off so it's basically impossible to make it lose traction under braking. I used to think that mid drives were the answer to the ultimate ebike, but the more I use regen, the more I think the dream bike probably just has a Rohloff rear hub and a direct drive regen motor on the front. If you dont believe me on the extra range, build a bike that gives you all the data you need to argue with me! I had been telling people the things you say in this video for *years* but then I actually tried it myself with a DIY build using parts from GRIN and the results are inarguable. I live in a hilly area (not mountains, just rolling hills), but even in flat areas I get anything from 5-10% more range. It's all free Watts that gravity stole off you on the way up the hill, so it's only fair you get paid some back going down the other side! All the best
On a car or motorcycle regen is great, but not because of the added range. It's because it makes your brake pads last -forever-. My chevy volt hasn't needed pads in over 5 years and my Zero didn't need them either for the same amount of time. The othert thing is that regen generally creates a really smooth braking experience compared to friction brakes. The actual extra battery charge is nice, but usuallly pretty minor.
I had a BionX kit on an older e-bike. It had regen breaking, and it was never worth it for power. It was nice to be able to use the motor as a brake going down steep hills. In fact the BionX had like 5 modes of regen where you could regen by pedalling if you wanted a work out.
I'm building a cargo bike to carry 500lbs+ of total vehicle weight including trailer. I will be using it in very hilly terrain. I think regen will do a lot for me.
Hi there, I reached out the other day about having an ebike built. I've watched a lot of your videos, and you seem really knowledgeable on the subject. You also seem very trustworthy, so if you see this comment please reach out. Thanks a lot man!
Exactly !!! WDW monorails have dynamic braking where the motors become generators and dump power into massive resistor banks to slow the train down. This is a smoother braking system than the disc brakes used for E-Stops. But dynamic braking does little to nothing below 15 mph, and the disc braking at low speed is not so severe. Get me a 206ft E-bike that can hold 360 passengers and we'll talk regen braking. LOL
Brake pads are cheap. Coasting range is important except perhaps in very mountainous areas. I live in a large community, between two river valleys. Even here regenerative does not make sense. You coast much more and further than you go down the steep hills. Regenerative robs you of coasting Mike's so you depend on the assist a lot more.
Can you take regen braking off your hub built with it? If so can you make a video on it? I have regen but can't use a battery blender because of it. I need to remove it to use a battery bender. Can you help? I'm sure alot of people would like to know. There is no video's on removal of regen from the hub. Turning it off doesn't work it needs to be removed to use a battery blender.
I would appreciate a recommendation and something that has regen braking is what I've been looking for. I live in the Ozarks and if you are not familiar they are very Steep and choppy Hills. Let me give you an example. If I was to ride a regular 12-speed bike. I would approach a hill as fast as I can start climbing the hill and rapidly shift down to the lowest gear and often not be able to make it all the way up before getting off and walking it the rest away. Going down the hill you can only Coast one or two hundred feet and then you're breaking all the way down. You can easily hit 50 miles an hour if you're not careful. So where I live it's about eighty or 90% Hills and about 10 or 20% flat but not really flat just tolerable flat. Hence my need for a recommendation from someone that knows a lot about different types Styles and models of e-bikes. Your input would be greatly appreciated ?
My bike has regen brakes. It is an ecotric hammer bike. Riding the brakes does not help because then your brake pads go LOL. There must be some other way to charge on the go but there must be a lot of intelligent people who have tried and I know there is not a perpetual motion machine. But if you could get some charge back at least you could go further than regen brakes. The only alternative I have found is solar panels or a gas-powered generator. Which makes no sense when you're on your bike and it is electric.
Question I'm a heavy rider I run a bafang 750w hub motor, I notice when I go uphill sometimes my motors stop, it kicks in when I put the pedal-assist 1 or 2. Is this normal? Or it's just the weight is lusshing lol.
@@JohnnyNerdOut I think you are probably right, I check online and I've read that the controller come with a set weight pre-program for a specific rider weight, going to try and remove the set weight and ride this weekend. Will report back!
The question I get more than any other, seriously, is "so you can charge it while pedaling?" I have to explain that no, you can't, and even if you could you never, ever would. You would be pedaling a 70lb bike around, except it would be even harder than that if you were backdriving the motor hard enough to gain a charge. When would you ever want to do that and what would be the point? Not transportation, a non electric bike would be better. People never seem convinced though. Shm
Hmmm: There're two types of hub motors; planetary geared & direct (w/o planetary geared). A basic direct hub motor (no gears) is the simplest electric bike motor of them all. A the design of a basic direct hub motor has regen (unless its made more complicated). ????Soooooooo a basic direct hub motor (no gears) should be the lowest price & easiest to maintain/repair right?????
I have to disagree. I can remove, break down, replace clutches, reassemble and reinstall a Bafang or Tongsheng in an hour. On top of the fact that little can be repaired on a direct drive, they are a pain to work on.
@@MHH3180 Hmmmmm you're an expert with a bike shop, all the bike experience, all the bike tools, all the bike friends, etc, etc, etc. I have to find spare-time to get the basic bike tools & learn the basic maintenance/repair skills. Then I have to find spare-time to develop basic ebike motor kit maintenance/repair skills (all hopefully with minimum profanity & throwing things ;). It seems KISS is my bestest friend in the long-run. ????Soooooooo a basic/reliable direct hub motor (no gears) should be inexpensive & easiest to 'FOR ME' to maintain/repair right?????
@@tombouie two years ago I was in your boat (maybe three, I forget). The most eye opening experience along the way has been just how ridiculously simple are these. No way as complex as a Bendix two speed kickback or Sturmy Archer three speed hub. No special tools needed except to install.
@@MHH3180 Mark, I thought about all the good points made (thks). I thinks I'll start will the simplest/basic bike, tools, etc for touring around DC & learn simple/basic care/maintenance/repair. Then step-up to a no-gear front hub kit & learn the care/maintenance/repair again. Eventually I give the whole thing away to a deserving soul & get a much better ebike that fit me perfectly. I'll never be as smart as JohnnyNerd (but a guy can dream can't he ;)
Never tried regenerative braking, but I always thought it sounded like a scam. So you're going to go further 🤔 if you ride your brakes all day. Yeah no 👎, defies logic.
I just have to say, before watching, I'm absolutely worried sick. The average e-bike only has about 20 miles of range. With great effort and diligent care for how you ride you may, under ideal circumstances like riding mostly downhill with a strong tail wind, bump that up to 22 miles. Ooh;)
Most are indeed hub drives. They have 36 volt, 7-10ah batteries, huge and heavy frames, low end components, worthless and hea y suspensions and .arshmsllow tires. Of those, at least half, in The U.S, mostly throttle ride in a high boost. So, 20 miles is about right. Go to 48-72 volt systems with 12-20ah batteries (I a. Not a fan of large batteries), lower drag tires, better components, better/lighter or zero suspensions with real cycling frames and you can realistically look at an 80 mile range.
@@MHH3180 And? With an 80 mile range I don't see the need to eek out 88 miles (at best). Regen is a cool concept but has little practical value for relatively light vehicles that don't generate & dissipate huge amounts of power while braking.
@@michaelsprinzeles4022 we are in complete agreement though I think more than 1 or 2 percent is an exaggeration anyway. In fact, you can gain more just ankling, maintaining a proper cadence or checking your tire pressure before each ride.
@@MHH3180 10% was an optimistic gain estimate, assuming all downhill with a strong tailwind;) I often wonder (living atop a STEEP hill, as I do) what happens when you charge to 100% then start down a hill with regen pumping electricity back to the full battery.
@@MHH3180 Real numbers i get about 55miles on a 625kw single battery and 110miles on the dual battery setup (bosch). Doing a avg of 23km/h. I am 120kg, bike is 30kg, roads very flat and in tour mode so on avg i supply about 50% of the power needed (130-140watts) peddling. Regen will add very little ...
Always lying to sell his mid drives. On myGiant Chopper Bike, Both my hub and controller, rear and front comes with regenerator (ABS brakes of the controller and parameters of anti-charge control Setting). They got 5 level of ABS braking strength and Energy recovery efficiency. It's save you money and maintenance and replacement of the brakes: Pads, disc rotors and calipers.
Regen is super important if you commute long distances all year. Instead of changing pads almost monthly during the wet and muddy months, you won't change pads for many years. With ebikes you are able to haul more cargo and higher speeds, bicycle pads cannot cope and wear super fast. Regen is essential.
During the snowy and icy months, regen acts like ABS, the wheel doesn't lock when braking.
Also regen braking performance isn't affected by weather the way exposed brakes would be.
I used cheap, grippy, resin pads. Maybe some super expensive pads will last longer.
Now I'm on rim brakes so regen is even more important.
Also, Regen is a God send in the mountains
comment more useful than the video
All true except if you live in San Francisco, or in Lausanne. Ie LOTS of slopes. Save on breaks & 20% range increase on average.
I live in SF and the regen on some of my ebikes does save my brakes, but I have never noticed any increase in range.
What really makes it worth it is that it will save brake pad wear. I am making this comment as my bike is waiting on new brake pads which I ordered yesterday. A few extra miles of range is not a big deal but the brake wear savings would be more important to me in the long run.
Actually I think I agree with this I have a Nissan leaf and I'm on 50k Miles city driving and I was was told my brake pads are not even close to recommend a brake pad changed thanks to regen. That said I do remember trying a scooter with regen and that was so jerky when it activated I turned it off after 5 minutes. Perhaps the better kits have modulation
I think in an automotive application this would be realistic. The regen on an ebike cannot do any serious braking however. Regen on ebikes would essentially just add drag to the bike. But when you have to brake and come to a quick stop (more than half the time, and where brake pad wear occurs) regen doesnt help at all. In a car it does.
@@JohnnyNerdOut In my neighborhood of steep hills I am regularly riding my brakes down the hills to keep my speeds reasonable and safe. I sometimes drag a foot to brake (wears down my shoe soles surprisingly fast), and/or sit high with elbows spread to get some air braking because I hate just riding the brakes down the hills, but if not braking, I would be unsafely over 40mph in 25mph neighborhood. If you ride in a relatively flat or gentle rolling hills area, I agree with you that there is no need for regen braking (especially because regen programming may not be ideal), but I am presently changing Tektro pads with around 1950 miles on the bike.
I am sure there is a lot of bad regen programming out there, and I would never want to lose the coasting on my bike like you do on some cars that are programmed for one pedal driving, but if rider could activate regen manually by pushing thumb throttle in reverse direction, that would be ideal imo. For emergency and quick stops I like having my big hydraulic discs (I ride a Zooz), but for more gradual slowing and stopping, or riding down big hills or a mountain, regen would be much better than simply grating the pads away. With a manual regen, I am sure I could make my brakes last thousands of miles longer, getting a little extra juice/range is a small bonus.
How much are your brakes pads anyway? I just replaced the pads on my SLX brakes with some aftermarket ones (TruckerCo). 10 bucks every few thousand miles doesn't represent anywhere close to enough savings to justify the added complexity of regen.
@@wesflack992 I agree, I wish there was better advancements in Regen braking for ebikes. Even if it only gets back a little power and only saves a little of pads, its better to not leave power and $$ on the table.
And I just put together that the company i just emailed for a conversion quote was YOU. I'm lucky like that - I think we live in the same town! 😆😆. Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing from you 👍
I want my Ebike to have one. It is good for additional braking element. I have an electric kick scooter and this regen/motor braking is a big help. Even if the brake pads is not fully touching the rotor, it can slow you down just by the regen braking. I wish there is a way to active my Ebike regen braking.
I'm not into how much actual "regen" it can do. If I want more range, use larger battery capacity.
Reduces maintenance on brake pads.
Also, regen braking is less likely to skid.
On a bike, even a heavy cargo bike, regen is little more then a sales gimmick.
Much like the single solar panel that can be found on some Velomobiles.
Biggest problem with regen. is that it tobs you of range. Thst's right, it robs you because in cycling you are coasting alot. Regenerative braking is drag. So, it robs you of coasting miles most of us use on each and every ride.
:)
Oh yes, it is true. My electric kick scooter can't do more than 45kph when doing free wheel downhill. No matter how stiff the road is.
"Are you not entertained?" -Maximus
First video of yours I've watched where I disagree with you!
I welded the clutch on my 5 year old Rad Rhino (Rover) and now get 50-70% more range on a charge. It makes a lot of sense, particularly on these cheap and heavy cruiser -style frames that are so common now. I just have mine set to kick in automatically whenever I go over 15mph, and whenever i use the brakes. I can adjust the intensity of the regen using the thumb throttle - whenever I press the brake lever it stops being a throttle and turns into the regen controller. It stops me far quicker than pads can, and as soon as the wheel slips the regen eases off so it's basically impossible to make it lose traction under braking.
I used to think that mid drives were the answer to the ultimate ebike, but the more I use regen, the more I think the dream bike probably just has a Rohloff rear hub and a direct drive regen motor on the front.
If you dont believe me on the extra range, build a bike that gives you all the data you need to argue with me! I had been telling people the things you say in this video for *years* but then I actually tried it myself with a DIY build using parts from GRIN and the results are inarguable.
I live in a hilly area (not mountains, just rolling hills), but even in flat areas I get anything from 5-10% more range. It's all free Watts that gravity stole off you on the way up the hill, so it's only fair you get paid some back going down the other side!
All the best
On a car or motorcycle regen is great, but not because of the added range. It's because it makes your brake pads last -forever-. My chevy volt hasn't needed pads in over 5 years and my Zero didn't need them either for the same amount of time.
The othert thing is that regen generally creates a really smooth braking experience compared to friction brakes.
The actual extra battery charge is nice, but usuallly pretty minor.
I had a BionX kit on an older e-bike. It had regen breaking, and it was never worth it for power. It was nice to be able to use the motor as a brake going down steep hills. In fact the BionX had like 5 modes of regen where you could regen by pedalling if you wanted a work out.
Very cool!
Johnny, have you ever done a live stream Q&A ? I think we all need you to do that.
Iwanted to don one a few months ago and then I got slammed with builds :( I will and I want to!
I'm building a cargo bike to carry 500lbs+ of total vehicle weight including trailer. I will be using it in very hilly terrain. I think regen will do a lot for me.
Hi there, I reached out the other day about having an ebike built. I've watched a lot of your videos, and you seem really knowledgeable on the subject. You also seem very trustworthy, so if you see this comment please reach out. Thanks a lot man!
Where did you message me? Was it @ johnnynerdout.com?
Exactly !!! WDW monorails have dynamic braking where the motors become generators and dump power into massive resistor banks to slow the train down. This is a smoother braking system than the disc brakes used for E-Stops. But dynamic braking does little to nothing below 15 mph, and the disc braking at low speed is not so severe. Get me a 206ft E-bike that can hold 360 passengers and we'll talk regen braking. LOL
Who needs regen: do a reverse mullet, putting a 27.5' in front, and a 29" on the rear, and you're always going downhill!
Thank you 🙏
hi love u video but
pro-.regan make your break long life
con -u need good torq arm (spin2 weay)
and abut grin u can weld the cluch( simple and free)
Brake pads are cheap. Coasting range is important except perhaps in very mountainous areas. I live in a large community, between two river valleys. Even here regenerative does not make sense. You coast much more and further than you go down the steep hills. Regenerative robs you of coasting Mike's so you depend on the assist a lot more.
Anything I need I’m coming your way Johnny..Gene
Can you take regen braking off your hub built with it? If so can you make a video on it? I have regen but can't use a battery blender because of it. I need to remove it to use a battery bender. Can you help? I'm sure alot of people would like to know. There is no video's on removal of regen from the hub. Turning it off doesn't work it needs to be removed to use a battery blender.
I would appreciate a recommendation and something that has regen braking is what I've been looking for.
I live in the Ozarks and if you are not familiar they are very Steep and choppy Hills.
Let me give you an example. If I was to ride a regular 12-speed bike. I would approach a hill as fast as I can start climbing the hill and rapidly shift down to the lowest gear and often not be able to make it all the way up before getting off and walking it the rest away.
Going down the hill you can only Coast one or two hundred feet and then you're breaking all the way down. You can easily hit 50 miles an hour if you're not careful.
So where I live it's about eighty or 90% Hills and about 10 or 20% flat but not really flat just tolerable flat.
Hence my need for a recommendation from someone that knows a lot about different types Styles and models of e-bikes.
Your input would be greatly appreciated ?
You will need a direct drive hub motor. Not many manufacturers use them. The only one I know of was the v1 radwagon
Nah I have these things called wall outlets.
I'm jealous of your job.
Left out how regen can save a bit of brake wear. Also left out how it means you can never just coast like on a regular bike. Otherwise great info!
My bike has regen brakes. It is an ecotric hammer bike. Riding the brakes does not help because then your brake pads go LOL. There must be some other way to charge on the go but there must be a lot of intelligent people who have tried and I know there is not a perpetual motion machine. But if you could get some charge back at least you could go further than regen brakes. The only alternative I have found is solar panels or a gas-powered generator. Which makes no sense when you're on your bike and it is electric.
Question I'm a heavy rider I run a bafang 750w hub motor, I notice when I go uphill sometimes my motors stop, it kicks in when I put the pedal-assist 1 or 2. Is this normal? Or it's just the weight is lusshing lol.
probably too much strain on it and shutting off to protect itself. Could be somethng else too though. Hard to say without riding it
@@JohnnyNerdOut I think you are probably right, I check online and I've read that the controller come with a set weight pre-program for a specific rider weight, going to try and remove the set weight and ride this weekend. Will report back!
After watching: My numbers might have been off but we're definitely on the same page.
Is that Bill Murray on your T-shirt?
yessir
The question I get more than any other, seriously, is "so you can charge it while pedaling?" I have to explain that no, you can't, and even if you could you never, ever would. You would be pedaling a 70lb bike around, except it would be even harder than that if you were backdriving the motor hard enough to gain a charge. When would you ever want to do that and what would be the point? Not transportation, a non electric bike would be better. People never seem convinced though. Shm
Ya, I find myself answering the same question a lot as well too.
you can charge it while pedaling
@@Blox117 not if it doesn't have regenerative braking you can't.
@@pstrap1311 what kind of dumb response is that?
@@Blox117 A correct one.
But I hate buying new brake pads and changing old ones out.
Get disc brakes I’m on my 2nd pair after 4-5k miles
Hmmm:
There're two types of hub motors; planetary geared & direct (w/o planetary geared).
A basic direct hub motor (no gears) is the simplest electric bike motor of them all.
A the design of a basic direct hub motor has regen (unless its made more complicated).
????Soooooooo a basic direct hub motor (no gears) should be the lowest price & easiest to maintain/repair right?????
correct! But you should still be looking at mid drives if you plan on doing any serious riding :)
I have to disagree. I can remove, break down, replace clutches, reassemble and reinstall a Bafang or Tongsheng in an hour. On top of the fact that little can be repaired on a direct drive, they are a pain to work on.
@@MHH3180 Hmmmmm you're an expert with a bike shop, all the bike experience, all the bike tools, all the bike friends, etc, etc, etc.
I have to find spare-time to get the basic bike tools & learn the basic maintenance/repair skills. Then I have to find spare-time to develop basic ebike motor kit maintenance/repair skills (all hopefully with minimum profanity & throwing things ;). It seems KISS is my bestest friend in the long-run.
????Soooooooo a basic/reliable direct hub motor (no gears) should be inexpensive & easiest to 'FOR ME' to maintain/repair right?????
@@tombouie two years ago I was in your boat (maybe three, I forget). The most eye opening experience along the way has been just how ridiculously simple are these. No way as complex as a Bendix two speed kickback or Sturmy Archer three speed hub. No special tools needed except to install.
@@MHH3180 Mark, I thought about all the good points made (thks). I thinks I'll start will the simplest/basic bike, tools, etc for touring around DC & learn simple/basic care/maintenance/repair. Then step-up to a no-gear front hub kit & learn the care/maintenance/repair again. Eventually I give the whole thing away to a deserving soul & get a much better ebike that fit me perfectly. I'll never be as smart as JohnnyNerd (but a guy can dream can't he ;)
Have you got an email I can show u photos and the issue with my e bike it’s stressful ☹️
Lol, try getting a gas bike to work correctly
johnnynerdout@gmail.com
I just saw a couple videos of yours today. I'm looking for someone to help me or make an e bike for me.
Never tried regenerative braking, but I always thought it sounded like a scam. So you're going to go further 🤔 if you ride your brakes all day. Yeah no 👎, defies logic.
Wow, did you ever miss the point!
I just have to say, before watching, I'm absolutely worried sick. The average e-bike only has about 20 miles of range. With great effort and diligent care for how you ride you may, under ideal circumstances like riding mostly downhill with a strong tail wind, bump that up to 22 miles. Ooh;)
Most are indeed hub drives. They have 36 volt, 7-10ah batteries, huge and heavy frames, low end components, worthless and hea y suspensions and .arshmsllow tires. Of those, at least half, in The U.S, mostly throttle ride in a high boost. So, 20 miles is about right.
Go to 48-72 volt systems with 12-20ah batteries (I a. Not a fan of large batteries), lower drag tires, better components, better/lighter or zero suspensions with real cycling frames and you can realistically look at an 80 mile range.
@@MHH3180 And? With an 80 mile range I don't see the need to eek out 88 miles (at best). Regen is a cool concept but has little practical value for relatively light vehicles that don't generate & dissipate huge amounts of power while braking.
@@michaelsprinzeles4022 we are in complete agreement though I think more than 1 or 2 percent is an exaggeration anyway. In fact, you can gain more just ankling, maintaining a proper cadence or checking your tire pressure before each ride.
@@MHH3180 10% was an optimistic gain estimate, assuming all downhill with a strong tailwind;)
I often wonder (living atop a STEEP hill, as I do) what happens when you charge to 100% then start down a hill with regen pumping electricity back to the full battery.
@@MHH3180 Real numbers i get about 55miles on a 625kw single battery and 110miles on the dual battery setup (bosch). Doing a avg of 23km/h. I am 120kg, bike is 30kg, roads very flat and in tour mode so on avg i supply about 50% of the power needed (130-140watts) peddling. Regen will add very little ...
I have a mid drive ! I rather no regent feels like you have brakes on ! They free wheel like cows!
What do you think of a Himiway Cruiser?
wouldn't buy one personally. But thats me
I'm entertained.
Always lying to sell his mid drives. On myGiant Chopper Bike, Both my hub and controller, rear and front comes with regenerator (ABS brakes of the controller and parameters of anti-charge control Setting). They got 5 level of ABS braking strength and Energy recovery efficiency. It's save you money and maintenance and replacement of the brakes: Pads, disc rotors and calipers.