Air Transat Flight 236 - DISASTER AVERTED
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- In August 2001 an Airbus A330 ran out of fuel over the Atlantic Ocean and glided to safety to the Azores Island. It is often considered one of the greatest feats of flying in Aviation History.
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www.fss.aero/accident-reports/...
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www.nytimes.com/2001/09/10/wo...
www.express.co.uk/travel/arti...
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Sources:
www.fss.aero/accident-reports/dvdfiles/PT/2001-08-24-PT.pdf
www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/transat-pilot-flying-high-in-popular-opinion/article1139733/
www.nytimes.com/2001/09/10/world/jet-pilot-who-saved-304-finds-heroism-tainted.html
www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/916786/flight-miracle-disaster-air-transat-flight-236-plane-crash
aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010824-1
www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=8c64b4a7-4084-4f96-be6d-d141966b95ba
Instablaster...
Canada: pilot smuggles marijuana, serves time, becomes a captain at a large company, safely lands all souls aboard, becomes hero.
USA: pilot smuggles marijuana, serves time, never able to be hired at a meaningful job again, becomes a zero.
I’ll take the American way every time. 99% of the time these kinds of people are untrustworthy degenerates. That’s not the kind of person I would trust with the lives of hundreds of people.
@@danieljohnson2005 yeah, which is why the american penal system is such a shining example all over the world, and not at all a ridiculous trash fire
@CCCW oh, I know it’s so popular now to shit on our penal system, but can you give actual examples of how it’s any worse than other countries? At least criminals get worthy sentences for their crimes, most of the time. Just look at Canada, the UK, or Europe where murders get 10 or 20 years. How is that fair? No system is perfect, but I think ours is the best, hands down. I’d really appreciate a well thought out response from you and not just trash talking.
@@danieljohnson2005 the US has horrible recidivism and incarceration rates, worse than many 3rd world countries. Meaning former criminals become criminal more often, even though more people are convicted.
The US penal system exists to create legal slaves in the inmates, and keep the prison industry running. It's an absolutely laughable disgrace. Look up the recidivism rates and the incarceration rates before talking out of your rectum.
The US system was based on revenge instead of betterment, but even that approach has been abandoned for enrichment.
@CCCW now that you’ve given me your reasoning, I know that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. That makes me feel better. Now I don’t have to feel any guilt for calling you a parrot and a moron.
Robert Piche said in a recent podcast that he changed his route to please a controller before crossing the Atlantic. This lengthened the flight by 2 minutes, but if he had not cordially accepted, he would never have been able to get to the Azores.
Wow a great coincidence!
Very good point. Had it been another route the Azores also wouldn’t have been an option and chances are, all would have perished in ocean.
I actually lived at Lajes when this happened. I remember waking up for school and my dad telling us that a plane had managed to glide in with no engines. That was an interesting few weeks as the runway was repaired
Airbus also added alarms for the event that fuel is dropping faster than the engines could be consuming it.
Really? I’m rated in the A330 and I’ve not seen that.
Yeah, no. That's not true.
@@lbowsk ratio plus don't care
@Brent Spar I am and it’s “you’re”.
@Brent Spar so you’ve no basis for assuming I don’t, so it’s literally pointless you saying it.
This dude is a legend! Literally was able to guide the plane by gliding! Legend’ he should be praised not criticized.... when at the moment it’s easier to look on the outside and say you should’ve done this....
I couldn't agree more
I met him about 18 months earlier, super nice gguy
He caused the loss of all his fuel by not looking at what was going on.l
@-Redacted- Bread well I have been trained to do it, but that’s not the point. The point is that they ran dry because they mismanaged the fuel leak.
How come you’re so insecure that you have to assume everyone else is a bozo for disagreeing with you?
@-Redacted- Bread Uhhhhh, he's type rated in the jet. Do you have any idea what that means or entails? Pete's exactly right. The Capt caused the emergency. *Looks as though @Redacted deleted his stupid post..
Uh, no, Sully is a legend. This guy almost killed hundreds of people.
Dear Chloe,
I really like your videos, so much so, that I think I've exhausted your full library. Watching a video as "old" as this one makes your journey so visible, both in terms of your style of videos, but also in terms of your personal journey. I wish you all the best.
Man, i would like to hear the cockpit recorder on this one. Those pilots and crew have titanium balls!
All you would hear is there titanium balls clanging together with turbulence lol
@@whoarewe7515 that’s all you’d hear
Here are the recordings from the cockpit. You could hear 28 year old First Officer Dirk De Jager speak to Santa Maria tower as they approach Lajes Air Base. czcams.com/video/UOhV0Eld_1o/video.html
I think the CVR would've stopped when the second engine ran out of fuel
There's probably more than a few "câlisse de tabarnac" on the cockpit voice recorder 😂
All of those 'engines off' silent Landings in Columbia pepared him for this moment.
100% 👍
Oh...funny...
A very good Crew + heroes. No faults of the crew for me. They were really professional.
They deserve a good bharr!
Well it’s easy to say that, but it isn’t too difficult to glide any plane if you’ve got a place to put it.
There were multiple independent systems and indications all giving them information that was abnormal. At SOME point you have to stop saying “it’s a computer glitch” you know? When fms and fuel qty both show imbalances, you’ve got major issues - especially if it’s all on one side.
The A330s fuel displays are very clear and easy to understand, they show you a graphic indication of fuel flows and routes. It’s obvious that if there is a leak on one side, you’re sending your remaining fuel into the leak also.
Also (just playing devils advocate here) there was NO reason to hit the brakes so hard. Anti-skid was unavailable in the aircraft’s reduced power state, however - being completely dry with zero fuel weight, the thing was VERY light (even will full pax / fuel) - I would have extended my landing a bit and aimed for the end regardless, having emergency vehicles positioned at the far end of the runway as well.
Apart from using a cross feed in a suspected fuel leak which is a massive no no and which isn’t part of the drill.
No faults? NO faults? The Captain caused the emergency!
So nice to see an air incident with a happy ending. What an awesome heroic pilot and aircrew!
After watching videos where the crew just blatantly ignored all warnings killing everyone this was pretty refreshing
You gotta do one of “the miracle on the Hudson” and “the gimli glider” as well as “the taca” (last one might need to be checked for spelling) these were all crashes where the pilots saved everybody. “the Taca” even having saved the plane from any structural damage. You at least have to make a video on flight 1549.
@Shaun Strasser yes
Has he done the electra propellor loss in anchorage? If not he should
Taca 110
This is an excellent way to save fuel. This should be standard flight procedure.
You are a genius!
Don't give Ryanair any ideas
Yeah...uh no
I don’t think enough credit is given to the plane itself and the people who engineered it. It’s amazing that a huge plane could glide for 100 miles without any engine power at all.
Every airplane can glide without power. Some are better than others depending on a number of factors, wing span being the number one. Distance is dependent upon altitiude.
@@lbowsk right 👍🏽
To try and lay ANY blame on the flight crew is despicable. I've heard this referred as being a miracle. No, this was not a miracle. Everybody survived because of the crew's heroic acts that day. That entire crew was able to keep their wits about them, and stay calm and professional under unthinkable amounts of pressure, in what must have been some of the most frightening circumstances anyone has ever faced, and live to tell about it. Simply amazing. Without their actions that day, there could have easily have been hundreds of funerals instead of press conferences and interviews with survivors.
Sorry, it’s not despicable. Their error caused the issue in the first place.
@@peteconrad2077 Uptown girl
You know I can't afford to buy her pearls
But maybe someday when my ship comes in
She'll understand what kind of guy I've been
And then I'll win
@@slugcult-10_years_and that’s what passes for intelligence where you come from?
You can heroically solve a problem you helped to create. Nobody is denying what they did was incredible, but it is important to fully understand the root causes of the accidents, and the pilots did make an error.
If I tried that stunt at my airline I'd bet you cold hard cash that both my airline and the FAA would lay the blame right at my feet. To think otherwise is naive. OK, the guy did a great job of gliding a plane WHOSE ENGINES FLAMED OUT BECAUSE HE RAN THEM OUT OF FUEL by botching a Fuel Imbalance problem. That plane should have landed on one engine at Lajes, not dead stick.
I remember watching this on Nat Geo as a kid, I was very impressed by the way the pilots handled this
I feel as if though the aircraft involved in this incident should be placed in a museum once it is retired from service.
I'm pretty sure it will be. Quebecois really really admire the commandant Piché so I am pretty sure air transat already made plans to do so
So what happened to "managment" that signed off on engine install?
Over riding Mechanics by paper pushes is the crime I am interested in? Knowing big business, probably a promotion?
I am also troubled that the A330 flight manual at the time contributed to the loss of all fuel. The investigation conveniently neglected to mention this, but at the time, the procedures in the manual contributed as they recommended cross feeding the different fuel tanks, which led to ALL the fuel pissing out of the bad fuel line. Airbus have since fixed the manual, but strangely bore zero responsibilty for the incident.
Probably got a bonus.
@@davesy6969 Within a week the company was fined for a quarter of a million (the largest fine in Canadian history up to that point). They recognized the fault and paid.
Was there any commentary regarding the maintenance crew? I feel like there must’ve been some kind of a story there especially considering that the lead mechanic had already voiced his concerns and as it turns out they were quite justified!!
The engine replace was signed off on despite concerns about reuse of the hydrologic pump.
Management issue.
Another great video as always! Truly one of the best channels on CZcams.
A new video after months! Thank you
At 11:09 you mention Captain Robert Piche being awarded the Superior Airmanship Award but did not add that First Officer (F/O) Dirk DeJager was also given the Superior Airmanship Award.
As a Pilot, I distinctly recall cringing for the pilots, surmising they were going to have some explaining to do about fuel management, leak or no leak. Little mercy, this top news story was bounced off prime time by the September 11th World Trade Center attack . Sometimes no bad guys, just little errors join forces. Glass half full, industry got shook by that one ! Perhaps future lives saved ? 🙏🇨🇦
3:17 "Put it on a plane, the weed gone' a Spain, money just pour like rain..."
A great video and very well told.
I think you are the only one that has mentioned the flashing of the runway lights.
I know this story so well as I've relived it over the years daily from one of those that were part of the crew.
Sadly this amazing act of courage from Piche and others became over looked due to 9/11
I also believe this scenario was much worse than the A320 on the Hudson.
Maybe because it's Canadian it gets over looked.
Piche + Dejaeger = Hero's
I’ve been binge watching all these videos and this one is a balm on all the previous tragedies I’ve been watching. Heroes.
this channel is amazing, please upload more often.
Thanks... im new here but this is a great format for videos... i think your on the right track... hope to see more.
NOO.
@@dontspikemydrink9382 😐🪧
Thank you very much for your work, I like your videos.
Amazing story and great presentation! I'm not familiar with this incident, so thanks for the video!
After binging all of your videos, I realize I really do love a happy ending!🙏🥲
In Airline Incidents, Rats are our friends ♥
i get that NTSB or whichever department has to review every aspect of an accident, however i think the crew did an amazing job and should not have been criticised as they were following the rules that were in place at the time. great video, great crew
No, they weren't. The Captain dicked up a fuel imbalance problem.
The reason they don’t want you to inflate your life vest inside the plane is because it makes people take more time to get out - both due to figuring out how to get the inflation to work, and because it makes people more bulky and more likely to get stuck.
Also how far you can glide isn’t based on momentum so much as altitude. As long as you’re above stall speed you can always glide until you reach the ground.
Also, if the aircraft fills with water you just get stuck to the ceiling.
Yes inflating before being clear of the craft or you can't swim down to get out!
That's not entirely true. It is so you don't get caught inside the a/c while sinking and unable to swim out. Thats the primary reason for not inflating your vest while inside the A/C. The reasons you stated albeit valid, are not the primary reasons. This is a fact.
This air Transat and the air Canada (Gimli glider) were talked about amongst pilots as two planes ANY pilot would fly but also to a degree feared flying.
They wanted to fly them as they knew these two planes would do their part to get the crews and passengers down safely. But they were feared cause pilots didn't want to fail in these planes and hurt them or not get the plane and passengers down safely.
Airframes have souls...don't tell an aviation person differently...your take care of and be in tune with your "bird" and she will give you everything she has and then some!!
Nicely done video
1:36 discord notification lol
Observant haha
I heard that too
Yeah, me too
Nah I can't unhear this now
I really enjoy your videos. Can you please do something with the leveling of the background music? In many of your videos, including this one, the music is loud enough to be extremely distracting. Overall, great videos.
I understand why they decided to cross feed the fuel, but when the #2 shutdown, maybe they should have stopped crossfeeding? Or maybe it does it automatically. And maybe it wouldn't have made a difference. Just wondering aloud.
Great story and storytelling!
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏼
No other video on this incident mentioned the captains previous criminal past. Very interesting and unexpected.
True, no mention in the Mayday series either, but in the Québecois movie "Entre Ciel et Terre" it is mentioned and shows his dealings in Jamaica czcams.com/video/ros3q_KC9Z4/video.html along with what he did before working for Transat and his jail time in the USA. He was known as a colourful French Canadian bush pilot having been flying since he was 17 in the northern regions of the province.
@@GaisSacredCreations
Thanks for the link. 👌🏻
Unfortunately, It has no subtitles option.
@@jtveg Sorry about that, I checked everywhere and could not find the English version which is : Piché, the landing of a man. There are some bilingual parts in the movie, especially when he is in Jamaica and the American jail well worth watching.
I flew in August 2001 to and from Chicago...via Winnipeg as I was on Air Canada...to London. I was on an A330 each way...magnificent plane! Terrible accident! 😢
It was said that the fine of $250k was the largest in Canadian, but what would've been the airlines cost be if the jet crashed landed, passengers killed or crippled, the jet being a write off from extensive damages and the cost of the investigation to find the cause. IMO, Air Transat got off light, since it's management cut corners.
I knew about this happening, I am happy to see it on your channel. But what i have understood they made a mistake with fueling of this plane.
Even if the crew made some mistakes they fixed it with that landing... a minor inconvenience but still have your life! I'll take it! Just amazing!
Well done video
I can remember this happening! I was 5.
good work
He was truly rehabilitated then
Thank God everyone survived
I love it.
I've probably watched too many of these videos, but this flight scenario reminded me a lot of the Quantas one? From Australia?
no such thing
In a post-retirement interview, Capt. Piche said there was no way they could have shut off the fuel valve without shutting off the right engine.
The idea that it could have been a computer error was first given by the Transat maintenance ofc when they said the confusing oil readings could have been a computer glitch.
Closing the cross feed would have eventually cause one engine to fail. But not doing it caused both to fail. I know what I’d prefer.
another video I watched with a different airline they got the "low oil temp, high oil pressure" warning and they too did not know what that was but it was leaking fuel. they managed to survive
Absolute heroes
Great story :D
@mentourpilot should take a look at this.
Wish granted...
Amen
Lajes is located in Portugal, so the J would be pronounced similar to how it is in English.
ETOPS Engine turns or passenger swims (then die)
Do SilkAir flight 185!
Disaster breakdown, do you think this crew handled the situation better or worse than Air Canada 143?
Prob it was over water for this one and well they managed to glide well
it's hard to tell. Air Canada 143 was in uncharted territory, as (I think) no one successfully landed a commercial jet airliner with no engines in 1983. Pearson had to guess his best gliding speed, then divert to a closer airstrip, and then do a slip to land it safely. Air Transat 236 may have had a bit more guidance from flying without engines (an optimal glide speed may have been in the manual, as a couple of planes had landed without engines), but Piche had to glide over the ocean, and try to lose enough energy to land on the runway at a reasonable speed while making sure he didn't lose too much to miss the runway.
Both had their challenges, both crews were partly at fault, and both crews glided their planes to a safe landing.
Seeing the flight attendant running around with a flashlight must've made the passengers rather uneasy.
Any news of first officer dirk? Did he fly after the accident?
Want to know more about First Officer Dirk DeJager?
@@elyasa123 yes i want to know. Do you have the idea?
@@claysonantoons3142 That's interesting! Do you have the link?
@@claysonantoons3142 Thank you for sharing the link. I just watched it now. I watch that video before but didn't able to finish it. It's good to know that both men had a long career in aviation.Amazing.
The 2 initial warnings " indicated " that fuel was mixing with oil.
That is true. However, no one who was involved in the incident (the pilots, the maintenance crew, maybe even nearby planes in radio range) knew that it could indicate a fuel leak. So that never came into mind, and they got lead down a wrong rabbit hole that the computer may have been faulty.
Great video, the music is bit too loud
not really
who comes after the mentour video?
Yease
I thought it was the air transit flight where the plane lost the rear part of the rudder and landed
It takes great courage to either fly a plane or smuggle drugs. Redemption 180 degrees!
My most hated air line
You really should mention that the Ethiopian crash landing was NOT typical. It is unfair to use it as a direct comparison. The two situations were VERY far apart.
The Ethiopian plane was hijacked. As the captain made a great approach and was almost on the water, one of the hijackers tried to take control from the pilot. This struggle dipped the left wing and caused the crash we see at 08:30. Had there been no struggle, it very likely would have been a much more survivable ditching.
You should also mention that Airbus changed fuel handling on the A330 manual. The manual at the time actually contributed to the complete loss of engine power as it advised to cross feed fuel from the full tank into the one leaking. Meaning the plane ended up pissing away even more fuel. This procedure was quietly revised.
I’ve noticed something these Canadian pilot amaze me How’s that can get aeroplanes down from the sky without engine
Why was the plane evacuated after the landing (judging from the slides)? I assume that was the cause of those few injuries.
In what way are the flight crew at all responsible for the incident?
They continued to transfer fuel from the left engine to the right engine even though it had no effect. This led to both engines eventually shutting off (fuel starvation/exhaustion) resulting in the loss of some controls/mechanics.
Flight 990
it's 2023
is C-GITS still in service?
Unfortunately not I just checked on Flight radar 24
Two be clear the 2 rushed to hospital were injured during the evacuation of the plane. Biting ones tongue here
The first background is a soundtrack from Battlefield 1
*THE ONE WHO DISLIKED THIS IS THE ONLY PASSANGER WHO GOT SERIOUSLY HURT*
The one that disliked it was most likely the one on the phone to CTV News making up false claims while moments after landing.
Or maybe they don't like the manner in which some information is misreported and other info missed out?
Nah it’s the guys who had to fix the runway lol!
@@bmused55 Ha big if true
Sioux City airplane crash?
Boss pilots !
What if Air Transit 236 was an L-1011 TriStar?
Do the sinking of the
we are still waiting
I belive a flight engineer on board helps a lot
Excuse me, but I thought airplanes have this auxiliary power unit (APU)? If the engine is out, why don't they just start to run that APU?
APU is a smaller jet engine hence consumes fuel meanwhile RAT doesnt
The APU is useful when you are on the tarmac because it provides the plane with air conditioning, electricity, etc without the need to start one of the “traditional” engines.
However, the APU does not produce thrust, so it doesn’t make the plane move
APU uses fuel
Because... , there wasn't any fuel left...
did anyone notice the discord notification at 1:36
oh yes a drug lord with a heart of gold, we stan
and thus 2001 would be know as the year where a plane disaster was avoided... wait..
and another happened
I feel like air travel safety would increase significantly if airliners were designed to land with engines off by default.
They are. They just can’t go very far like that. Any design to do otherwise would require.....(drum roll)....an engine.
Please do no not be offended I only wish to offer the following criticism because I've enjoyed binge watching this channel. 1: Consider using different music for each episode or at least try and spread it out to make it less repetitive. 2: The link to your other channel that is displayed at the end which shows what I can only presume is a photo of you for your other music channel in my opinion is "distracting and just odd" considering the content in this great series of videos. I think that link undermines this content regardless of how cool you and I both think your other channel is. It just limits the potential of this channel considering it looks like a strange fellow wearing some sort of mask... The whole point is that this channel in my opinion has great potential and is watched by people who are interested in air traffic safety not art and music and it appears again to undermine this channel. Just my opinion. Hope that helps. Tho who am I to speak I only have 250 subs and 20 episodes... Just an opinion..
Hello, thanks for your respectful comment.
You are welcome to offer criticism I really do appreciate it. The music is actually something I'm trying to dedicate time on. I'm wanting to produce an original soundtrack for this series. It's an ongoing project. I do agree that the music in these older videos was a bit repetitive, especially when you binge watch through them. I never actually intended back then to even make as many of these videos as I'm making now.
As for the other thing, I really want to change how I do the end screens. I really need to just spend a day changing a few things and hopefully that would help. At the moment I have just been using a template from CZcams for the end cards.
Thanks for watching :)
@@DisasterBreakdown No worries Howie. Maybe now that I've had a good poke around your other channel things are more clear and its obvious to me your just ahead of your time. Vary well done. Check out bossfyte on CZcams you might be intrigued and have a good chuckle. Thanks for the content. Please sub me on my channel. I'm also a musician and content creator. Best of luck. MiKL
Piche might be the closest thing to an irl han solo.
did he shoot first 🥇?
The manual says that they need to make sure there isn’t a fuel leak before cross feeding the fuel tanks. They didn’t even check for a leak until after transferring the fuel. 🤦♂️
It’s not flame out,flight 236 ran out of fuel
... which is flame out
Canada put this guy in jail for smoking weed? hahahaha
Don’t put music and voice over same time. It’s too distracting
Fucking awesome. 😲
Sorry, what? How were the pilots actions in ANY way at fault for this?!? They are heros through and through, full stop. ✋️ They bear no fault for what happened.
Background music is too loud and mostly inappropriate which spoils an otherwise superb video ;)
go RAT go! 🐀 ✈
Can't hear the narrator due to high background music volume.
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