History has been made: Cloyster is now the #3 Pokemon in GSC
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Seeing Cloyster being this destructive without smashing its own shell or Skill Link blows me the fuck away
I remember when i was a kid playing pokemon yellow on my gameboy color, i had a cloyster that was just straight bonkers. He was always my front man because he just killed everything and never went down, and cloyster has been my favorite pokemon ever since
Cloyster was the first Pokemon I ever called my favorite.
This does my little heart a solid
I have an average sized luvdisk, but a tiny diglett
The rambling BKC podcast is the highlight of my month/week/day/whenever BKC decides to upload it
One thing that really fascinates me is that these games shipped 20 years ago, and the balance of the mons never changed. Contrast this to games being released today that have monthly or biweekly balance patches. But despite the stats, types, and moves never changing, the meta keeps evolving in interesting ways. It's really a beautiful thing. Thank you for this in-depth analysis, looking forward to more GSC videos at some point, would love to hear about Jynx.
Sometimes people reference the golden age of gaming. This is when visionary types were drawn to videogames as a new means of expression, and the industry was small enough to allow creativity. Because Pokemon games are designed to be way more complex than kids actually needed. As a result even games not designed for competitive play had enough complexity to allow for super high skill caps and evolving metas.
Like other artistic mediums quality shows across time, and it's not merely subjective interpretation. I'm glad our childhood passion has stood out as art. Hats off to the design teams🎉
Poor Raikou, first it went from OU to UUBL in ADV and now Cloyster took it's number 3 position in GSC. At least it's doing good in SS RU.
This is so sad
Alexa, play despacito.
Well Raikou is good on ORAS OU
Raikou's fall from grace (tragic)
@@JustN0tMe isn't it ou by technicality
Funnily enough something similar happened in RBY OU with The Big Four and Exeggutor being supplanted at 4th by Starmie
Really? I thought sleep powder was way too important in gen 1.
@@AnirudhaS15 paralysis is arguably as important and starmie reliably spreads that while having boltblizz coverage and recover
@@DrWiley-fm3ik ah, I see. Thanks.
It's funny how RBY is still receiving meta changes. A bit of a newbie to competitive battling, but from what I've seen from the past year the "Seven Deadly Staples of RBY OU" has been more or less abolished, with Zapdos rising to #7 on the latest VR and Golem plummeting down to NeverUsed. It's interesting how, after so long, a game can still be far from solved I guess.
When was this?
Shoutouts TonyFlygon putting Raikou at 6
Shoutouts Zokuru for putting Snorlax at #2
TF?rururu
TF?RURURURU
Pretty long overdue, IMO. I love seeing changes in old meta game standings - it shows a continued interest and (to a degree) relevance to more classic battle formats. They honestly get me more excited than anything in the most recent gens!
your videos are the entire reason i started playing competitive again after quitting in like 2013. i even expanded from gen 5 to gens 2-5! always very good content :}
BKC I miss hearing your podcasts. Please go back to doing some analyses. Would love to hear about:
- Jynx's influence on GSC OU
- Why Celebi is good in ADV OU
- Your thoughts on DPP OU meta
Why celebi is good in adv ou already exists! :D
Raikou: No! You can’t just surpass my number 3 rank! You felled to my mighty Thunder for two decades!
Cloyster: Haha Offensive-Spinning Bivalve goes Boom 💥
???
Meanwhile Snorlax sleeping comfortably in his #1 spot for over a decade, ignoring everything around him
@@Eroil Wonder what it would say if Celebi got allowed back into OU.
I dont know where it ranked for the short while it was allowed, but i do know some people said it was almost unkillable.
@@et34t34fdf it would say BEGONE THOT to exeggutor but then still be walled every day by snorlax
@@Eroil Eh, unless its belly drum, Celebi walls Snorlax actually.
Crazy seeing that raikou dropped again since this video was posted, now 5th with gengar at 4th.
Hey BKC, great video as always. I've been getting into GSC recently and your comments on roar raikou really resonated with me. My favorite team to use is the classic stall team consisting of roar kou, fire lax, resttalk cune, curse skarm, forre, and missy but I've found it difficult to keep pace with offensive teams as I'm forced to play so reactionary and my opponent can force a lot of spikes damage by double switching around me. Roar kou in theory can rack up a lot of spikes damage by shuffling, but I find it's forced to rest often due to being either paralyzed by opposing thunders or just taking a lot of damage by being brought in to check zap which makes it incredibly vulnerable. Is it worth dropping roar on this team? I'm hesitant to only have 1 phazer, but it might help against offensive monsters like zap and allow less pressure to be put on suicune who I often feel forced to use as a blanket check to everything becaus it can still operate while sleeping. I was also wondering if you had any tips as to how I could deal more effectively against offensive threats like machamp and especially nidoking (having to gamble speed ties, sleep talks, and thunder accuracy vs suicune can get really messy especially with spikes down) and how to more effectively get my forre in to spike and spin (it really does have to run from everything in the earlygame in order to avoid being charred by a stray fire move or just being worn down to the point that it can no longer check anything). Hopefully this wasn't too long winded for your liking, but I would really appreciate some guidance if you have the time and feel up to it. Thanks again for making such captivating videos and have a nice day.
Try just using the exact same team but with Rest Talk Raikou. This will make it more reliable against switchins, Gengar and Zapdos. If you want to stay with Roar you could also consider setting the EVs of Raikou so that it has 319 speed, that's just enough to outspeed Gengar, but makes it as slow as possible to always get the Roar on opposing Raikou.
Forry is nice and can effectively switch in on nidoking to set spikes or spin, so even though your stall team will have a hard time, you can at least punish it for staying in.
Another mon that is worth considering on stall is Rest Ttar, giving your team a defensive backbone with Roar and even granting your team with the chance to run Monolax instead of the weaker flamethrower.
Suicune is good but you might want to consider using Starmie. It acts as a very solid check versus ground types, can hurt machamp, and also provides Forry with that secondary spinning back bone so it can focus on the offence while starmie focuses on the defense. If you are afraid of Toxic, then consider using Substitute. Not only does it block status, making cloyster a lot less efficient but it can attempt to dodge thunders from zapdos to get a free spin, winning you miles in the Spikes Race. I recommend Toxic and hp fire forry.
On the other hand you can also try Rapid Spin Tentacruel. It still pairs well with forretress but is immune to Toxic (can't use Swords dance on the same set though).
re raikou: definitely use sleep talk on that team, otherwise it is the textbook example of stall terrorized by offense. having one phazer is fine as long as you don't get slammed by sleeptalk lax (and you don't).
re nidoking: you don't get much better than suicune as a nido answer. if you handle the spikes game well (I recommend an hp ghost forry if you don't already have it and ways to cripple cloyster) then it loses a lot of potency. nido's annoying but nothing unmanageable.
re machamp: you don't get much better against champ than skarm missy cune. just a matter of playing smart.
re how to use forry: switch it in on forced rests (throw around a lot of toxics and this happens easily).
These videos are amazing BKC. Never stop making them! Listening to them on my way to work is heaven
The S-rank has been named after snorlax and its name has been used for viability rankings to come. I will never forget the domination of snorlax back when i still played GSC competitive
Snorlax still rocks shit regardless of tiering. Leftovers and Sleep just make it so hard to put down especially in earlier generations.
Just getting back into playing GSC OU; it's just so much fun. Love that " chess" feel it has
yes I actually agree, got a taste of this with the limited meta in early gen 8 vgc, really drove me to test out singles from earlier gens since i loved stadium with my brother so much before i knew about competitive
You saying the metagame is older than much of the player base made me feel old. My parents bought me Pokemon Crystal for my birthday, it was the first game I ever owned, and that's part of the reason I play the tier, but to think I was playing it like 22 years ago is wild.
Just for kicks I took a look at the adv VR over time to see what the number 2 spot was in the past. Currently it's Zapdos 2nd, Metagross 3rd and Gengar 4th. For a long time it looks like Gengar was the (almost) undisputed number 2, even having an S or S- rank. But around 2020 Metagross overtook it for a few shifts, and now Zapdos is on top when it was as low as 6th in the past. I'm no BKC so I cant tell you exactly why these shifts happen (other than it looks like spikes teams used to be way more dominant, since Skarm used to be number 3 or 4) but it is an interesting example of metagame development.
I guess a more apt comparison would be Starmie rising into the 4th spot in RBY, which has historically always been given to exeggutor
2022 : Zapdos is now the #1 Pokemon in GSC OU
Word
Just ban snorlax kek
Snorlax can finally rest
Lol no.
Sure, when Snorlax gets banned to Ubers.
I know it's not the same thing but it's been #2 in top level usage for centuries lmao
Thing is it doesn't have as direct competition, whereas Zapdos/Raikou are kinda one or the other on every team.
@@Mangrovius true although Zapdos and Raikou can occasionally go on the same team
Cloyster is my favorite spiker in gen 3 now he is amazingly top tier in gen 2? I love it.
Well Cloyster has always been good in gen 2 arguably even top tier before it became the number 3 best.
He’s been amazingly top tier in gen 2 wdym?
Always has been
I love the excitement at 9:09 when you find a good thought
Stop everything, goat BKC has dropped a new video
as someone who does not play GSC the phrase "explosion teams" makes me want to try it
starmie also surpassed eggy in gen 1!
got into older gens because of these videos through the last year, glad to see you back! missed them
May not be your speed, but I spent a couple years building a custom pixelmon server (Pixelmon Kanon Region) and would love to have you do a play through! Joey & Gator have been on as well. There’s a few walkthrough vids that show what the server is like if you want to see if it’s up your alley! :)
I learn so much about past Gen metas watching these, it’s amazing
Wow this vid has really blown up, time to leave a comment for the youtube algorithm so BKC can be a youtube superstar. :)
Excellent video, BKC!
Also, a suggestion for a new topic: The Impacts of Baton Pass on Competitive Pokémon.
i wish i could get into competitive GCS again. i recently formatted my 3ds to help a friend transfer his games to my 3ds i no longer use, so he can enjoy it. and now i only have my old 3ds XL that doesn't have the little "c" stick that the "new" 3ds' had.
but anyway. i actually bred quite a lot of competitive pokemon on that file. i had stuff like snorlax, zapdos and exeggutor, transfered from my yellow version (using my mates 3ds), but also dabbled into pokemon like Tyranitar, Miltank, Fortress and Skarmory. i didn't use raikou because it didn't have perfect DV's, and was a real pain to catch a roaming legendary in the first place. even with infinite master balls. stuff like cloyster i never touched. i usually used Lapras, Jynx or Starmie for that spot on my team. come to think of it, i never actually battled an IRL person with my team, mostly because my wifi is shit in my house, but also because i didn't know how to get into contact with other players. i suppose theres discord, but never considered that an option.
Cloyster? Just give it icicle spear and skill link :)
The virgin Shell Smash + Skilless Link Kings Rock vs the Chad Spiker and Rapid Spinner that carries it's team by helping them succeed instead of losing to Melmetal
Stfu
the only time i ever used a cloyster, was in gen 6 when i used cheese strats in the battle maison with lead Durant with the truant ability using Entrainment on turn 1. then switching to a set up Pokemon like Cloyster. using protect when the opponent can attack, then going for shell smash when they are on the truant turn. then after 3rd shell smash, hammering away with rock blast or icicle spear with skill link.
i used the focus sash as my held item since it could stop an ohko from happening, since after 3 shell smash you have like no defences at all. for sandstorm i had the 3rd pokemon on the team be a swords dance Garchomp.
@@Hnui03 ngl i always wanted to use a defensive spiker set with spin. it seemed so cool until you realize cloyster is part ice, has low spdef, and no recovery :c
@@patrickstar8132 yeah I think explosion is pretty important. But I’ve seen rest rapid spin variants weird but could be good given the situation
Your discussion between choosing which Spiker for your team between Cloyster and Forretress got me curious. Is there any modern day (past 3 years give or take) team that can viably run both Cloyster and Forretress?
Will you ever do a video on ADV Ubers? And why it’s called ADV and not RSE?
FRLG and especially colo/xd are paramount to moveset learning
They call gen 4 D/P/Pt even though a lot of Pokémon make use of HG / SS learnsets like Pain Split Gengar.
do they? i mean i guess
ADV sounds cooler
Clicked this video expecting something about GSC Pokédex hacking and was pleasantly suprised with a vibe check of the meta instead
As someone who has never played in the GSC meta, the fact that I was able to follow everything perfectly fine was a testament to how passionate you are about this game
Subbed for more 🔥 content
what would it take for you to do a video making a team for THE infamous wailord set? (curse amnesia rest heavy slam) very serious question even though its a joke heavy topic.
The one whose own creator disowned it the moment Wailord got Aqua Tail because he'd rather get forced out by Water Absorb than forgo the extra power of a proper STAB move? 😂
YES another BKC video
Great vid! Thanks for uploading!
That "Cloyster vs Forretress" video sounds like a good idea
Glad to have you back 😍
GSC Video! Hype
I love cloyster. Probably my first love as far as favorite pokemon go
Bruh what does this even mean, GSC stands for Girl Scout Cookies
Oyster flavored cookies went up in popularity.
11:25 had to check when this video was published after hearing zapdos isn’t mandatory
I wish we went back to full EV’s and got rid of boots to compensate. I just wanna be able to run mix attackers that can be fast too
The problem is, Pokémon that are good at everything and do whatever they want all day every day are now inevitably crushed by power creep constantly introducing Pokémon that are overwhelmingly excellent at doing one or two things to the point that they stamp out most jacks of all trades.
Compare Gen 1's roster of its most dominant Pokémon that can do anything and everything to how many of them survived over the years of introducing so many dedicated specialists that took over competitive Pokémon and shooed the Swiss Army Knives into the story mode.
Really interesting and well made. I think the early gen metas are fascinating
He's back
Wait, this dood actually dethroned Skarm as the Gen2 physical defense wall?!
Hey BKC, love ur vids, was wondering if you’re gonna do any Grand Slam content? I feel like there isn’t enough content ab it atm, although I do get it’s just r1.
0% chance, sorry man
How good is BKC actually?
Nice vid as always bro
I'm so happy for Cloyster good for them beating out Eggy and Raikou
this seems reasonable to me at this point, with the state of the meta
- Disaster Area
>older than much of the modern playerbase
Shots fired
About time
I can't wait to listen to the Golem video
That's my boy right there
“Why cloyster is good in GSC”
I swore by Cloyster as a spiker on NetBattle 20 years ago and everyone called me stupid.
Can I have a battle in ADV with you? :D
Cuh-luh-luh-luh-loysterrrr
This is one pokemon i'll probably never understand.
Yes, it goes boom and puts down spikes, which is ofc valuable, but here's the thing, it wants to be a physical wall, yet its an ice type, its special defense is garbage, while being a water type.
Its typing and defenses just doesnt make sense to me,why not just use forretress, if you actually want a wall with pretty much the same role?
I haven't watched the video so I'm not sure if he mentions this, but it is due to cloyster being more of an immediate offensive threat. This being due to speed, stab water & ice, also hp electric is offensive against tentacruel/cloyster. Forretress often doesn't have as good of a matchup against a lot of cloyster's matchups which is why with forretress you tend to see more stall Pokemon with it like suicune/skarmory. Cloyster packs more defense/offense in one role so it fits better on more teams than Forretress does.
The speed is huge, STAB Surf is a lot better, Thunder is a lot rarer Lax coverage than Flame/Fire Blast and it doesn't drop to Electric coverage quite the way Forretress drops to Fire type coverage.
@@mistermr2147 If you want to argue Cloyster takes electric moves better than forretress takes fire moves then you would be right, but i mean, it still dies miserably to them, it basically have zero special defense.
Fair point on the speed though, forretress is very slow.
@@et34t34fdf The big thing is Cloyster is basically never OHKO'd by non-STAB Electric moves
for example: Snorlax Thunder vs. Cloyster: 211-248 (69.6 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
while Forretress is often OHKO'd by non-STAB Fire coverage due to its 4z weakness
for example
Snorlax Flamethrower vs. Forretress: 289-340 (87.8 - 103.3%) -- 23.1% chance to OHKO
This doesn't seem like a huge distinction but 1 (or 2 thanks to its Speed) more turns to do stuff over the course of a match can be huge, whether it be Spin, Spike, or Boom.
czcams.com/play/PLfzZRttG03XZn-tppj6_RwHVsBtMQ0HQX.html podcast playlist bois, I just keep plugging it.
Thats awesome
Cloyster is consistently over of the best pokemon
Mewtwo, HO HO e Lugia são melhores que Snorlax em GSC?
" even tho the tier is older then a majority of the fan base " ouch cloyster ftw
Are there any forums or places people go to talk about Gen2? I'd love to be part of a battle community
www.smogon.com/forums/forums/gsc/
@@BKCplaysPokemon yo, thanks!
Always knew it was a good mon but top 3 is unexpected.
This makes me moister than a Cloyster
first adv and now gsc raikou been down bad recently
Free spikes raikou
okay, but when is the rambling bkc podcast actually gonna be a thing, THE PEOPLE ARE WAITING
What's Pokemon?
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@@travisswartz3587 oh that makes sense. I left you a thank you comment too.
Yes but what about onix?
Same attack stat as Bellsprout.
Never gonna threaten anything out.
If lax is so strong why is it not in ubers?
metagame is better with lax than without
"celebi and ho-oh are universally agreed to be worse than snorlax, they should be be ou"
@@tecul1 I agree with this to a degree, I think they would need to be limited though. For Ho-oh to be included in OU I think it would need to lose access to sacred fire and probably recover and maybe thunder, only allowing thunderbolt. For Celebi I think it would need to lose leech seed and baton pass.
These two would add a nice touch to the OU meta but I don't think they'll ever be allowed in with those moves.
Yeah, Gen 2 OU Cloyster is clutch af. The speed stat really is huge for it against so many things. Congrats to that lovable icy wap.
ban snorlax and legendary electrics.
**angry Zapdos noises**
I really want to see this tested.
33:08 Generation IV is going to shift away from breloom.... and then they look at you like you're crazy.
Ban spore please.
Good and insightful video. But you really need to check yourself on constantly saying "so". Don't want to make you self-conscious about it, but it really takes away from the video.
gen 2 meta LULW
Still rather use raikou than losing everytime zapdos misses a thunder
you should name the video "i will waste 40 mins of your life and you only wanted to know why cloyster is good haha"
Please please please buy a pop filter. Your mouth noise is out of control 😷
Cloyster is better than Zapdos. Fight me bro. :p
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