STOLEN EVs! I cannot believe the numbers!
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- čas přidán 7. 12. 2023
- Hi All,
I was intrigued to find out the Stolen EV numbers since I now have the Porsche Taycan! Tesla looks absolutely the best system, I will do more videos on this area soon.
I will be interested in your feedback and experience if you have had an EV stolen recently.
Richard
#challengetheroad #evcars #ev #iconiq5 #taycan #taycan4s #tesla - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Very good information
Amazing. The Met and TFL can find a non-ULEZ car in seconds but a stolen car…
And if that Ulez is not paid, they attack people like Richard Vobes, while he's ill, with 3 police cars in attendance just to make sure he knows he's being attacked!!!
Interesting thought..
Yes stolen vehicles I just can’t get how there getting them out the country in containers..
@@Only-one-life-68 Shear volume of containers means very little if any are checked. Probably need a tip off for a serious crime to open anything.
have you never noticed this before? a 'crime' against the state and there is plenty of resource on tap, a crime against the plebs means F.all. Anyone who thinks different is clearly in a bubble
You would think a team could be permanently working on this, to deal with them as they occur.
the real robbery here is an ioniq 5 for more that 50k !!!!!!
Thats a good point!
Is that how much the ioniq costs,good gosh.
And it looks horrid
I test drove one a year ago, dash felt like one of those cheap 1980s hifi units. Cheap Plastic everywhere, Wasn’t impressed.
Wow that is insane! I really don’t get EVs - 1 year on and you’ve lost 50% of your money
Lol its like bmw dumping all their i3 cars in car sharing. They feel very used, wow
Even the thieves don’t want the EV’s 😂
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Absolutely 😂
The thieves are realists, not living in "global-warming and alternative-fuel fantasy-land".
😂😂
And they aren’t even worried about residuals!
The reason they are not stolen is because 1) there is no demand from 3rd world countries where all the Range Rovers and X5's etc are going i.e. Cyprus, Congo Ghana and 2) the demand to sell on parts is also in it's infancy and many EV's do not need typical components like EV's, they are generally lower to maintain with fewer components 3) Thieves can't take the risk of stealing an EV with little charge and low distance.
Spot on.
Most concerning aspect of this video is the police stating they “don’t have time to check the cameras” , then closing the case.
Rest assured, if you had misgendered someone online ,they would be at your door within a few hours.
Absolute disgrace.
A few hours, more likely a few minutes.
@@chromiumphotography5138 Aye, you’re probably right, unfortunately.
They have allocated all available resources and time to investigating hate crimes and climate change violations.
This is by far the biggest issue with these car thefts. Everyone (rightly to some degree) focusing on OEMs making cars more secure, which they should but the bigger issue is we no longer have a police force capable of tackling crime = organised crime off the hook and car crime has exploded.
Tesla sentry mode doesn’t just film people around the car, but on your mobile app, you can view x4 different cameras from the car in realtime. Not only that, you can also flash the headlights, sound the horn, make fart noises from the external speakers and even use your voice which also comes out the external car speakers. All of this works really well, in real time from the app. You can also track the cars location in realtime from a map too. If that wasn’t enough, if anyone does get into the car, you need to use PIN code to make the car work (just like how your phone works). Should also be noted that the pin entry on the touch screen always moves around the screen so you don’t get a load of finger prints in the same place which could in theory give away the pin. Whatever you think about Tesla, they have a pretty slick set up and app and all of this comes as standard with no extra cost.
Hi Matt, yes on the video by Tesla, I was going to cut this in but was too long.
Great system
@@Challengetheroad good work you are doing highlighting these issues 👍
Fart noises is wild, yo. 😂
Which is why placement into a container acting as a Faraday Cage and negating all the security features is judicious best criminal practice likely to be modus operandi for Teslas.
I should imagine EV's are not stolen as much because thieves would have to have an account with multiple charging providers. They would have no idea how much charge there is on the vehicle and run the risk of driving a short distance and then needing to charge the car.
They nick them for the parts, so it doesn’t matter how much battery it has got, when they have a recovery type lorry round the corner if it does have any charge then it straight on the back of the lorry or trailer.
It’s the same thing with the Land Rover range rovers, a shortage of parts so they get nicked.
@Vince_Paul That's a fair point 👍
@@Vince_PaulI think they’re absolutely knicking Range Rovers for parts, but EV’s… I’d say they’re knicking them for the scrap value of metals more than parts!
No. New chargers use contactless payment. That is totally anonymous.
@@rogerphelps9939 Apart fro the bank card making the payment.
I'm not condoning it but why are you surprised in broken Britain? A 50K car with no immobiliser?
The thing is a lot of high end ice cars either get stripped for the engine or gearbox and interior or they end up in the docks being shipped to Africa so with an ev you’re unlikely to ship it abroad and you’re only going to have the interior to strip.
That poor Ioniq 5 owner, he was robbed twice, once at the dealer and once while he was on holiday!
Not PAT testing .... PAT is "Portable Appliance Testing" - things that plug into a 3 pin socket such as a kettle. For the UK, any potential domestic EV charger installation should have a "EICR" carried out first - "Electrical Installation and Condition Report"
The batteries are going to be great sellers on ebay when these cars become common. £20,000+ from the dealer or £10,000 on ebay it's a no brainer.
On the back of one of your previous videos I have today, 8th December 2023, had Ghost II and a Scorpion S5 tracker installed, very impressed, got a great deal and after one journey, amazed at the detail you can downlod.
Hi ...Good informative vid...Just to say on all the cars i have owned i have used a steering wheel lock ...When ever i park anywhere i put it on...Peace of mind ..
These premium ICE-cars are being shipped abroad that have no EV charging infrastructure.
By the way the police information is useless. You need the insurance companies' data.
part of the reason is lack of demand where there r existing routes for stolen cars , africa ,cypres ect and its difficult to get rid of parts after stripping them
The reason why the numbers are low because most of these EV have low or empty batteries sitting at home so the thieves won't get far with them and that is a high risk to take in my opinion.
Not to mention there are approx 900.000 full EVs on the UK roads compared to the 34million ice cars so obviously hardly any EVs get stolen.
Thank you for these videos, really great. Keep well.
You would think with all the technology packed into these EV's cars would be almost theft proof, it seems that security is an after thought,apart from Tesla...
Have a great day everyone 👍
Dont underestimate users 'culpabilty". Maybe soemone nipping into a shop and leaving the keys on the seat or defrosting on the drive. OR, perhaps not their fault but for example, keys left by front door, a common theft mechanism these days (after radio hijacking of keys). A Tesla would stop that IF the user has set up a PIN code on the car, plus of course Teslas generally dont have any keys to be stolen in the first place..
@@Joe-lb8qn yeah I'm with you on those points, it's just the way those thieves stole that Hyundai with ease is a worry, you would think the car could be completely immobilised..
Cheers 👍
Tesla pin to drive is more important than sentry mode
A tethered cable is connected to the EVSE (charger). Untethered means both ends can be unlocked from car and EVSE. Cables are locked at both ends. For tesla, the engineering shines through. Over the air updates, pin to drive, defeat of repeat/clone attacks.
Also a note on Tesla you can require a PIN number to start the car.
I bet if the owner if the Ioniq said they misgendered him as they drove off they would have called all resources to solving that crime
It is criminal that OEMs (apart from maybe Mercedes which i recall reading something about) havent implemented simple tech in their keys which make them time out after say one minute of non movement therefore making them invunerable to radio transmission theft (even if it turns out that this car wasnt stolen via that method)
Several do. Including VW
Was going to say vw, my id3 shuts the key down if it doesn’t detect movement. I can also deactivate the keyless entry so the key fob has to be used to open the car
An easy way to stop them being stolen is to make sure the battery is flat
First!
I looked through the glass at my neighbours new Tesla when he got it. I saw the screen come in & my face looking in. I backed off immediately.... 😂
A Pat test is for portable devices. You want a proper installation certificate which the speaker who put it in should have left you with. Failing that then an EICR which will test all of your electrics not just the garage. Don’t plug it in to a standard 3 ping plug without limiting the charging current as 3 pin plugs are not designed to talk 13 amp constantly for the kind of time charging is. They will eventually break down. You can get dedicated certificates 3 pin sockets but you might as well get a proper charger wired in.
Would going back to physical keys prevent this?
What is your view on theft ( for return to invoice ) IE car drops £30,000 in a year if it disappears you get a new one dropped off
Extremely useful information, great job. I have shared your videos on several social media channels so hopefully you will get more subscribers.
Much appreciated! Thank you
You are more than welcome.@@Challengetheroad
An unsung feature of tesla key security is you can add and remove keys to the vehicle directly on the touchscreen yourself.
A lost key can be disabled as soon as you can get to the vehicle and the data is stored only on the car.
New blank keycards cost £15 direct from tesla or you can use the app on your phone as a key, adding and removing it from the authorised key list in the same way.
Buying a used vehicle you can see a list of all keys usable on the vehicle and disable any you dont have.
Basically its instantly re-keyable without needing a dealer or garage. You just need a working key in order to authorise changes (the car comes with 2 keys).
Tesla have also previously updated the firmware on their keyfobs and cards using remote updates in response to an unexploited vulnerability they discovered. This was done automatically without a trip to the dealer or new fob.
Excellent work of the MET!
Don't rely on manufacturer security on any car, EV or ICE, use some other form of security and definitely some other form of tracking system, a good one such as Automatrics or similar.
Interesting subject. Street been plagued with car theft in the last 3 months with VW ID3, Range Rover (2), Mini, VW Caravelle, BMW 5 series and a Volvo XC60 all taken.
Alarm and cctv companies having a busy time.
Tesla security works over Bluetooth with proper encryption instead of RFID like Range Rovers. You can boost an RFID signal from someone’s keys on the other side of a door but you can magically boost their Bluetooth from their bed table.
It doesn't just use Bluetooth, the car communicates with the Tesla phone app over Bluetooth and does a proper cryptographic key exchange as well as calculating approximate distance of phone from car (using time it takes to send and receive messages and reported signal strength). So it isn't relying on the encryption used in the Bluetooth protocol.
All they key data is stored on the car not a central server so a hack of Tesla's servers won't release all the car keys, although remote control may be possible until Tesla realise what happened.
The keycards use a similar cryptographic method, they have an onboard processor that handles a key exchange validation with the car just like a bank chip and pin card does. That processor will only talk with the car, it can't be cloned or copied. The range on it is about 1cm because it's a proximity card that is powered by the card reader. Using a chip and pin blackout card also works on them, so no Faraday bag required if you use a blackout card in your wallet (it scrambles chip and pin communications by transmitting over the top of a chip and pin transaction)
And those figures are just for the UK. World wide total figures must be staggering.
Who wants to steal a Taycan anyway their prices keep dropping, depreciation is a scary factor which isn't talked about.
Awesome to drive though!
The thieves should call the AA if they break down while stealing EVs in their advert they repair bank robbers getaway cars😂😂😂😂
You’re joking! 😂😂 I want to see this advert, got a link?
Same ad has Keystone cops breaking down trying to catch them... Advertising reflecting reality for once. Monkey see monkey do.
very informative as always 👍👍👍
You know it’s only going a few miles range before your find it plugged in again
The original PAT testing regulations said it should be done regularly with no time constraints. That may have changed since. Companies offering PAT testing services made out it had to be annual for obvious reasons.
the reason for the low numbers r the same as with buyers, its about range anxiety .u don't want a chase when u have 20% battery left and how much of a joyride can u have with a low battery
All potentially making good off-grid power in the Congo and maybe even short term runabouts. Using as static units will also usefully help prevent thermal runaways caused by motion induced degrade of batteries.
What are they going to do with a stolen EV? They have far less parts to sell so there’s no market for them.
There maybe a big market for the batteries that power the vehicle, not sure.
One big reason to steal an EV is to take the vehicle and go joy riding and use it to rob stores or people walking on the streets. So another words, use it to rob other things.
I read that there are companies that take scrapped EV batteries and use the good bits to make solar battery backups. That could be a market
Is the Jag iPace secure or nobody wants them?
Surely if £50,000 value was stolen (other than a car) the police would be obliged to make some effort to track down the thieves. They just don't bother because it's covered by insurance... it's like it doesn't count!
The really interesting data - the chances of a particular EV model being stolen, were never given. As many have pointed out, even thieves don't want EVs! I suspect a market for stolen batteries might develop but my main fear will be write-offs by arrangement where owners with looming costs of battery replacement will turn to gangs to get the insurance without too much concern for their methods.
Bit far fetched but I can see the battery might be a issue, they go on Ebay for thousands and who would know if it's a stolen car or a written off car when buying batteries
This is happening in America , some of the car CZcamsrs has said beware of buying a EV as they are getting crashed because of the battery prices. This in turn is pushing insurance prices up for EV cars.
Were they “hot-wired” ?
Thing is the car manufacturers have only to do one thing to stop these car thefts..
End keyless entry!!!
And go back to a key ignition..
Truth is keyless is cheaper for manufacturers FACT..
There is a simple fix for this problem.Just leave a note with your address on it because they’ll bring the piece of junk back after 5-6 minutes of realizing what they’re driving
perhaps it is better to ask - why do more owners of newer vehicles fail to instakl a ghost immobiliser?
I got 146 Jag EV iPaces were stolen in 2022 sourced from National Crime Agency. This was an increase of 46% up from 102 in 2021.
At least they cant do drive offs at the servos.Lol.Like waiting hours for them to charge.lol.
They’re nicking them for the catalytic converters 🤐🙄
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It would be interesting to learn if other countries are having the same problems with theft/insurance premiums, maybe taking Range Rover as the comparison. Accepting that most countries are left-hand drive the majority of component will be the same.
Unfortunately most of the countries i.e many African countries , that these high end vehicles are known to be shipped to also drive on the left.
You guys in the UK have an incredible vehicle theft problem, from theft of goods within vehicles, the vehicle itself and onto exporting stolen cars😳😳
Are Mg4s easy to nick
Those are pretty low numbers , thieves must not want EV too much.
I suspect with a Tesla, and maybe some other EVs the minute it gets reported as stolen on the App, the next time the car connects to the internet or a charger, its disabled?
Apart from taking the car for a joyride, there isn’t much you can do with a stolen Tesla. It’s hard enough to sell second hand if you genuinely own the car (taking the car off your account is not as straightforwards as you might think); Tesla control the parts market (so no point breaking it up) and folks who buy a Tesla want to use the supercharger network and update the software, use all the connected features etc… none of which you can do in a stolen vehicle without it flagging the car to Tesla.
One main reason they might be stealing EV vehicles is to go out and use the vehicle to steal other things, rob stores or people on the streets. Is there a market for the main EV batteries, don't know. Something like they do with Catalytic converters.
Simply wire, I kill switch in the ignition system, old-fashioned way
Why are you so surprised Sir, you couldn't even give me an electric car! But thanks for the facts.
Thing is an EV is too easy to trace, unless the thief has a home charger they have to connect the car to the grid to charge it, you can only do that with the app and the location of the charger is updated to the car and the app, one might be stolen in an opportunist theft but it’s no good to the thief unless it’s charged, they can get to to where it’s going and they can deactivate all the location sensors of which there are far more than in an ICE car, as soon as you do that, you can’t charge it.
Electrical test and inspection lasts 10 years from the inspection certificate
It's not just EV TRASH that is so easy to steal, nor is it any one specific brand. ALL new cars sold in the U.S. can be easily hacked with a phone, laptop or tablet, unlocked, started, and driven anywhere. They can even be hacked and shut down while the owner is driving them. A hacker can shut the engine off, apply the brakes, or turn the steering wheel from just about anywhere. They can disable the car so it cannot be restarted. I don't know if all new cars are like this in the UK or not. If not, they soon will be.
All the tech in these cars - surely they could add biometric authentication like phones have today?
EVs account for 2-3% of cars in the UK. What are thieves doing with them? Hardly going to Africa are they 😂.
Good to know the bad guys avoid EVs. I could be wrong, but I understand the charging cable is always locked into the car and public charger when charging, tethered, or your own.
I have an EV and a Fiesta, so best and worst.
I have been aware that in USA Hyundai are super easy to steal and was wondering when it would come over here
Thats different. Its low end Hyundais and Kias that have a basic physical key that is easily bypassed in a few seconds.
I’m surprised my Dad’s Kia hasn’t been stolen yet, in the UK.
I’ve got a Tesla and even with all the security and pin to drive I still have 4 Apple AirTags hidden around the vehicle which I’ve removed the sounder from. They’re quite cheap and easy to hide, hopefully if someone did steal the car they’d get fed up with trying to find all the AirTags and leave it.
The low EV numbers are to be expected, it's nothing to do with how secure they are, it's to do with the infrastructure in the countries they are being stolen for. There's no point stealing EVs and shipping them to Africa where there's no charging network.
Well Tesla's have "PIN to drive" which makes them harder to steal, unless there is something not mentioned about getting around the security.
Nobody wants EVs because the depreciation is so bad and they are too expensive to insure. Why thieves would steal them I can't imagine.
Tesla can also be locked with a PIN. No number no go!
You mean media hysteria about EVs isn't entirely based on fact?!?! I'm shocked.
So........
The fella spent 50+ grand on a car but nothing on a tracker!?
Also, glad to see the E-Niro isn't in the top 10!
Tesla also has ‘Pin to Drive’ so even if you get into the car it can’t be driven without entering a 4-pin code.
it used to be cat converters now its the batteries and scrap the rest.
Not saying i have 100% security , but i only drive my Tesla with Pin to drive. So you need a key plus a pin code to drive. This really should be implemented
in all cars. Can only recommend this to all Tesla drivers its just another layer of security.
Why?
People actually steal them? You couldn’t give me one.
I think the manufacturers misinterpreted their customers asking them to make EVs charge faster... And made EVs charge AWAY faster in the hands of thieves 😂
On a serious note... As I understand it, there is a situation with EVs, where you are actually not a way able to drive away when you need to because the car's undergoing a software update? So why can't all electric cars have some kind of software installed which makes it utterly impossible for anyone except you to start the car and drive it? If the software is able to stop you (the actual owner and registered keeper) from moving the vehicle, I am sure it can't be hard for the same software to stop anyone else from doing the same too?
usually found out of charge half mile away
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Tesla design pretty much all the electronic devices and the management software, unlike most other EV makers who connect units from many OEM suppliers. That's why the Tesla sentry and general system security is so good.
100% 🙏
Tesla sorted out thefts instantly by introducing pin to drive to all its cars with an over the air update and completely free.
Brilliant System
Most expensive stolen cars get sent abroad, probably to Africa, they don't want EVs in Africa, no charging infrastructure, well that's what I think.. plus ships don't want EVs onboard due to fire risk.
Hi when you say a person 'PAID' £50k for a car it's the finance company that paid for the car, can you talk about the amount of financed cars on the road, I believe its around 80% with the remaining which are actually paid for are below £5k..
Thank you, yes the Article said 50k not sure how he paid, will look at a video on financing 👍
I have an EV, which I charge on my drive. I have a crook lock on my steering wheel, I also have tracker hidden in the car! Owners need to do this practice to protect their expensive EV! Crime has rocketed, so we all need to keep our Ev safe!
Where there’s a will, there’s a way!🤷🏻♂️
Damn I genuinely did not realise nobody wants an EV. At least you can leave your EV unlocked and not worry to much 😂
If I had an eV I'd be glad it was stolen.
My Jag I-Pace, £545 to insure in London. And £5 to charge using Octopus, giving me 260 miles. The bad press doesn't bother me one bit. Very reliable and cheap to service every 2 years.
I thought this video was good for EVs 👍
making me feel better about my JLR choice. i really like the I-pace..
Thieves don't want them because nobody else wants them.
Take this as a warning of what is to come when ' new technology ' replaces everything......
I doubt any Teslas have been stolen with pin to drive turned on,
As for police when my ex’s car was stolen via burglary with key she called me and I was able to get the tracker activated as subscription had run out, I given police location and I got a couple of mates to go get the car back. Waited for burglar then we got the key off him and tried to keep him pinned down until police got there but he got away from us the Police didn’t care
No one wants to buy an EV so no one wants to steal them.
You do need to look at this in the context of how many of each are actually on the road. Also, ICE cars are stolen for spares and shipped abroad, but there is limited demand for EV spares (so far).
Great the numbers are so low on EVs and the Tesla tech really working
Tesla have the highest numbers on the road yet are the least stolen.
Tesla have just added a new security level that monitors your phone. If the phone doesn't move the car wont unlock
For a guy that has a Porsche, you would have thought you'd have tried unplugging it instead of saying I don't know
What try to break it?
@Challengetheroad Did i say break it, It's quite a simple challenge. It either comes out or not.
I'm not asking you to try and rip it out using 2 hands with your foot on the side.