Carli Suspension Commuter vs Back Country | What's Right for YOUR Truck?
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2020
- Stuck between the @thecarlisuspension Commuter and Back Country system for your build? This video walks through the differences in both kits, and the pros and cons for your Ford or Ram truck. After watching this, you should have a clear idea of the right choice for your build and use.
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Had the backcountry kit, new radius arms and sway bar install on my 2020 Tremor last Friday at CJC . Picked it up and drove it 200+ miles to the river. Truck ride was great with 37” tires. I was originally going to get the commuter system, but decided to get the backcountry. It wasn’t much more than the other kit. But I rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. Long story short I needed it when I had to tow my boat down a 7 mile dirt road. Thanks CJC for the quality install and customer service.
Always happy to help!
Wat was your reasoning for spending extra for the Tremor and then replacing all the suspension anyway? That was a $4k Tremor sticker!
@@truckstreestoys better differentials, crawl control. Plus for an XLT it was optioned out With everything but LED lights. The Tremor came with a lil bit of a lift. So when I leveled the truck out it sits level.
@@MrMike4073 that makes sense. Thanks!
These guys are awesome I had a few questions and Cody answered back really quick and was very helpful!!!! Love the content
Happy to help!
Currently driving a 2017 Titan, have been wanting a 2500 Ram simply to throw a carli kit on it, friend of mine had it and I instantly fell in love
I'm running the thuren fox 2.0 resi's and I will say, you have to push the truck fairly hard off road for the shocks to warm up and ride plush (western montana dirt roads and forest roads). It does soak up potholes and everything at speed but if I were to do it again I'd probably opt for non-res shocks as the on-road ride quality would probably be better
This video helped answer a lot thank you!
Glad it helped!
Thanks. Nicely explained
CJC, I am about to buy a F250 with the 7.3. I will be buying a Carli lift and running 37s. Question, I have watched a lot of your videos and I don’t see trucks running heavy front bumpers. How does Carli handle this and adjust to stay level? I will be adding a front bumper and a winch but I want the truck to stay level. Will I need to add a extra spring spacer? How’s sales them? Thanks
What is the wheel and tire combo on the White F250 shown at the 3:27 mark?
Just started watching you. Camera work is great. Good content. Any of these systems work on the 2020 7.3?
Carli has specific coil and shock tunes across the lineup for the 7.3 gas trucks. Parts for those systems should be available this fall!
what's the tire and wheel setup on the ram?
Hi CJC, I have a RAM2500 Cummins 4x4. I am not a high speed off roader. I do trails, more overloading / tourer type setup at a reasonable / slow speed - some obstacles and the value to me lies in the additional articulation/suspension travel. I do tow a camper travel trailer from time to time as well. Commuter or Backcountry? Also, I would like to keep the factory rake look, do you offer taller springs in the rear from Carli to address this? This is so that when I do add some payload and weight it does not look like truck is squatting lower than the front. Would you have a solution for the above?
We’d recommend the Back County for that application as the Commuter shocks get overwhelmed with sustained sections of washboards etc, but the Back Country shocks handle that no problem thanks to the resistance and additional damping in the tuning profile. Articulation and travel are identical between systems. We also offer Carli’s +2” rear coils if you want to retain factory rake!
My 2020 F250 is my daily driver - 95% of the time it’s on the road. Went with the commuter, and I notice the most difference over speed bumps, pot holes etc. It’s not quite as smooth as I expected but a definite improvement. Would the add a pack greatly improve the daily ride? Trying to decide between add a pack, or upgrading the shocks and going full leaf.
Good question….following
Can you please tell me the spec's of the white ford? (Carli Suspension kit, Size tire/wheel, offset etc) My apologies for requesting so much but I ordered F350 which should be coming soon and I love they way that trucks looks. Also, how long does it take for install? I live in AZ and I want to bring the truck there. Thank you
Install for all of these kits is single day turn around, and we're currently booking for October install. Here's a link to the video of the white truck! czcams.com/video/LvXpcHlvu24/video.html
Hello love the video ! My big question is I have a 2007 dodge Cummins 2500 which I love 5.9 ! I’m looking to improve the ride of my truck , I would prefer not to lift it if possible I can slightly if need be , but the problem to this is I do a lot of fishing and hunting with my lance truck camper which weighs in around 2600lbs which is a lot of cargo weight so I’m looking for the best of both worlds I guess and I have rear airbags right now Firestone I can change them but before I order your products I just need some expert advice on my set up , rear torsion bars ,front torsion,sway bars , air bags ,front springs , progressive springs etc would greatly appreciate your advice on what to order from carli thank you
If you don’t mind, send us an email to Sales@cjcoffroad.com and we can help out!
So what ever happened? I have the same question, minus the camper part
What was your tire pressure set at?
Hey guys! I have a 97 Dodge 2500 extra cab w/ctd and long bed. It’s not a daily, i use it on the weekends for picking up things for house projects, I tow a utility trailer occasionally and do some long trips with mild 4 wheeling. My question is can I start with the base Commuter 2.0 and gradually build it to the fully optioned Pintop? I would like to put 37’s on it also. Thanks
Absolutely! For the control arm trucks, you’ll need the high clearance arms to clear 37s. Aside from that you can start with the base commuter and upgrade as funds allow!
CJC Off Road That brings up another question, your site says the hi clearance arms are for 03 and up. Can they fit on a 97?
Where you guy located, i want to bring my truck in to upgrade my shocks
I feel like I seen that green dodge in idaho before!
When I go to your website and choose either the commuter or back country I see the open I upgrades and that’s where I get confused as I don’t know much about truck parts. Are these upgrades necessary? Are the base packages good enough without the optional upgrades?
The only thing you have to add is a sway bar drop or end link. If you have any questions, just give us a call! We also made a video that walks through the whole buying process for Ford and Ram trucks and covers all the options.
CJC Off Road thanks!
2021 power wagon on 35"s with factory air bag. I tow a 4000 lb trailer. Not interested in a lift or going to a taller tire just want to improve ride quality and performance. Whats the setup to accomplish this?
What about for towing a RV or toy hauler?
Hey, I have a 03 ram 3500 with a 2 inch “level” in the front will these shocks fit with the stock rear height and the level in the front?
They will, but you’ll want to use the actual Carli system and not just the shocks to really improve ride quality.
Any idea when the Fox commuter/back country shocks will be available for the F250 gas trucks?
That all depends on Fox as they've had the blueprints for over a year! We're hopeful to see them this spring!
Are you still going to do the tire pressure video you referenced a month or so ago?
Yep, but COVID and the current riots have made it a little difficult.
Gents, I didn't see a Carli system tuned for my truck. It's a 2015.5 GMC Sierra 2500. Perhaps something is in the works? If not, any suggestions? Maybe the BDS Coilover system?
Carli does not offer a system for an IFS platform other than RAM 1500.
We have a special mix of parts from a few different brands we like to use on the GMC trucks. Give us a call and we can help you out!
So if I want to do sweet jumps, back country. got it!
No, if you want to jump your truck get the king 2.5 pin top or 3” Dominator.
@@MrKThomas1976 someone doesn't understand sarcasm.
How does carli stack up against a full air ride suspension? Any major differences in towing capabilities? Ride quality?
There's a common misconception that air suspension is like riding on a cloud, and it couldn't be farther from the truth. Air suspension has a key place for hauling, since the spring rate is easily adjustable for carrying loads. Off road or empty however, there's a massive sacrifice to ride since you have to stretch and compress a thick bag each time the suspension moves. If you care about flex, suspension travel, or overall ride quality on and especially off road, a coil spring and shock set up can't be beat. Also keep in mind that you can still supplement one of the Carli systems with air bags or Timbrens for towing, without the huge hit to ride quality that a full air ride system has.
So if you can do a 2.5” level with a full Carli leaf pack on a Ford can you do a 2.5 level with a full Carli leaf pack on a 3500 ram? Would they both set close to level?
No the Ram 3500's will sit level with the 2.5" coil up front and the factory leaf pack in the rear. Doing the full rear leaf pack raises the rear of the truck 1", making it level with a 3.25" front coil, or nose down with a 2.5" level coil.
For the 2019 RAM 3500 with the 3.25in Carli lift, does the overall suspension travel increased by 3.25 inches from stock?
No it actually more than doubles from factory! it’s around 9.5” front and 13” rear for that truck after the Carli system.
@@CJCOffRoad so the stock travel is ?
I have a 2019 Ram 3500 without airbags. Purely from the perspective of maintaining towing specifications closest to factory specs which package is going to best allow me to tow heavy?
The leveling system will keep full capacity with a small ride improvement, and an add a pack system will keep 95% capacity with a much larger improvement in ride. We always recommend the add a pack 3.25” systems for working 3500 Ram trucks.
CJC Off Road very helpful info! Thank you! Y’all know anyone in the East Tennessee/ Southwest VIrginia region that can install that system?
Sadly we don’t, but if there’s a shop you like we can set them up as a dealer!
I’m mostly going to be on the road but want the best comfort on the road. Would the back country give me that extra edge? The price difference really isn’t that big so seeing if it’s worth it on the road. Love your guys videos! Keep it up!
You’ll never regret making the jump up as it will allow for a little more control and planted feel on a large impact!
Are the Fox and King shocks tuned differently for the powerstroke vs the Cummins or do they share the same tuning ?
Yes they share completely different tuning, lengths, and part numbers!
One thing to note! The Backcountry shocks only work with their 3" springs and not the shorter ones.
On the Ford trucks there is a Back Country option for both the 2.5" and 4.5" systems. For the Rams, you can only get the Back Country on the 3.25" system.
Is Carli working on a suspension for the Jeep JL Wrangler and JT Gladiator?
TBD, but it's definitely in discussion.
What the most comfortable set up , I want strictly comfort, can you make a video
The commuter is going to be the most comfortable on road.
@@CJCOffRoad Does this apply for the 3rd gen 2500 as well?
Where do we get that third brake light for the 2020 Ram?
Here’s a link! www.cjcoffroad.com/GJ-Motorsports-Ford-2017-F150-Raptor-and-F250-F35-p/tbl-raptor-gen2.htm
So then what is the difference between Carli and Thuren for my 18 Power Wagon?
Aside from brand name, the key differences between Thuren and Carli are going to be the shock tuning, joint design, and price. Go with whatever you like better!
Maybe I missed it, but which is best for towing? My typical tow is 7-9,000 lbs and lighter trailers mixed in. Mostly 4,000lbs
What year, make, model is your truck?
2021 Tremor F350
Is the height of all three kits the same for a 2020 Ford F350? I'm debating between 35" or 37" tires.
For the Ford trucks, each system is available in either a 2.5” or 4.5” height. If looks are important, we recommend a 37 since they’re much more proportional to the size of the truck.
Can I assume 2.5 kit is compatible to fit the 37"x12.5 with/20"X9" wheels? I'm trying to prevent wheel well space. Great job on video's. Thank you
Absolutely. Just make sure the wheels are 4.75” or 5” backspace.
Any word on a timeline to actually having the back country in stock.
Early September!
Still a little confused as far as I’m the “on road” quality, which one is better for a daily driver on the road
Both are actually about equal on the road!
Owner of CJC owns a Ram, I am trying to decide on my next truck Ram or Ford?
One of us owns a Ram and the other owns a Ford! The shop staff has a good split, but if you include everyone the Rams are the most popular.
I have a 2022 ram 2500 on order, will any of your setups work on a 2022?
Everything fits!
So the backcountry 2.0 kit works on a 2020 tremor?
Yes!
Is The commuter system fox shock better than a bilstein 5100 for towing a flatbed trailer and having comfortable ride?
Absolutely. These are custom tuned springs and shocks, versus off the shelf shocks. Plus the Commuter system has about double the travel of a factory truck.
I just removed Bilstein shocks and installed cjc. Commuter fox shocks and thuren springs and its WAY better ride than anything. I've tried 3 other shocks etc etc and the commutet setup is perfect.
Wondering if you guys could help me with shocks. I currently have a 2019 ram 1500 with a 6” bds lift kit. I want it to ride nice and plush onroad. I rarely offroad the truck but sometimes do lite offroading
They said buy a Carli and throw yours away. Lol
If I only care about getting the best ride quality on the road, is the commuter going to give me a smoother ride or is the backcountry better for my application?
If you only care about on road ride, the Commuter is the way to go!
CJC Off Road thank you. I had already placed an order for the commuter. I just wanted to make sure it was the better choice for me.
Do the reservoirs mount to existing holes or do you have to drill to mount them?
Carli has a no drill front resi mount that goes on top of the coil for 14+ Rams and 05+ Fords.
Ok so what the difference between these and the pin top 2.5 ?
That’s going to be a whole other video, but the Pintop will increase damping and provide more control. It will be the best all around ride, and is able to handle everything from high speed off road driving to the basic daily commute.
Thanks for asking this exact question. Totally what I was going to ask.
2021 Ram 1500- will the commuter system also level the truck?
Yes it will. Here's a link: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/2019-ram-1500-suspension-systems/products/pre-order-2019-ram-1500-carli-suspension-commuter-system
Are any of these systems capable of carrying a plow?
We’d recommend keeping the factory front coils for a truck that does heavy plow work. For occasional plow use, these systems will do fine, but the front coils will squat more.
On road comfort: which is better? Commuter or backcountry?
Both are going to be very similar, but the back country will back the on road performance with better off road too.
Would either of these systems be good for towing? I tow about 30K 2-3 times a week and daily drive my 22 F350 dually
Both would work perfectly! You can either pair them with the stock leaf packs, or use a Carli leaf pack and Full Travel bags to retain capacity.
What size of tires and wheels that the green ram have??
That truck is on 20" wheels with 38" tires.
Lift kit size??
anything yet on the 7.3 set up for the SuperDuty
Carli finalized a coil and shock tune and they are going into production on the parts as we speak!
@@CJCOffRoad looking forward to it.
That white ram is Eddie's truck is bad ass
We have a full video on it!
Slightly off topic but what truck do you guys think rides better with the same carli kit ford/ram?
There’s nothing that beats the coil sprung Ram 2500s in terms of ride quality!
@@CJCOffRoad what do you recommend for me I want my 08 megacab to look bada** with 35s and to have a smooth Lincoln suspension is that possible??
Is the add a pack required?
For the Fords it is not required at the 2.5” height. You can do the factory pack, add a pack, or full Carli pack on the 2.5” Ford trucks.
@@CJCOffRoad can the add a pack be used with an inverted lower set of leaves to allow it not to squat as much? I have no intrest in going air ride, just want increased resistance to squat.( I tow 15k daily 1500lbs tounge weight.)
The add a pack is meant to be used alone, but maintains factory towing specs. In our experience, the best ride quality with load supplementation will come from using either the Cari long travel air bags, or a Firestone ride right air bag in a Daystar cradle.
@@CJCOffRoad I have a 2016 F250 and want to keep the rake look somewhat. With the 2.5” commuter and the add a pack, will I get that? I ask because on Carli’s webpage, it says 2.5” front and 0-2” rear, and I take that as by adding the add a pack, I am getting a 2” lift in the rear.
Why don't the factory engineers, a very smart bunch, make suspensions to operate better line Carli? I am not talking about a huge lift. The commuters system is a good example. Ram puts so much good in their trucks but in the 3500, the commuter system appears to be a must. I don't get it.
Awful customer service I called yesterday looking to buy a full suspension seen what was the Best Best Way to go for my 2019 ram 2500 and the guy was super rude super short. sure I understand it was a Friday but he lost a potential customer that was ready to drop a couple grand on a system just wanted answers or best route for me
We’re sorry about the experience. If you need anything feel free to message us on social media or call. Everyone has their off days and by no means did our sales guy want to brush you off! Please call and ask for Andrew any time this week. I’ll personally help you out.
Where in idaho I’m a from hailey
Thank you! Those are the factory wheels which are just shy of 7" wide. This setup does exactly what you're trying to accomplish!
Hello great video. Just purchased a 2020 6.7 Lariat Superduty. 98% of my driving will be on pavement and I will be pulling a trailer about 10% of the time. What would you suggest in a upgraded suspension? Thanks again
Sounds like the Commuter with the add a pack rear option will be perfect for your use!
Thank you
Is this something that be installed at home or need a shop?