Robert, What Do You Mean By "Awake?"
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Thanks for this. I just bumped into you. Phew. What a relief 😁
As real as it gets 🎉😊
Gee I appreciate you continuing to post and repost these talks, Robert. They seem to ‘evolve’ and take on a whole ‘new’ meaning, each time I revisit them. Many thanks for these ‘heart to heart’ chats and your willingness to ‘lay out all your cards’. Regards Mark ♥️♦️♣️♠️
You are most welcome, Mark.
This conversation between you both is illuminating .Thank -you for the questions asked which open up this debate .How refreshing to be so honest about these issues . I feel so fortunate to have finally found people who talk absolute sense about mind and spirituality. I have read both your books Robert and at first I was shocked , then intrigued and finally relieved ! What a sense of complete letting go I had . For decades chasing a non existent nirvana whilst missing all the richness and pain of living .Thank -you so very much for courage shown in publishing these thoughts and conversations . I think deep down I really did know , but hadn't the internal confidence to trust my intuition. Now every day is filled to the brim for me . Eyes wide open you might say . Of course it's not eternal joy and pain free , but I accept it all as life's rich pattern and absorb the totality of the experience without the need to look for an alternative solution. And in that, freedom lies .
Thanks for this, Katherine. I always feel happy to hear that my words have been helpful. I wish you all the best.
@@RobertSaltzman Such simple kindness in that reply .Thank -you Robert and I wish you well too .
One of my all time favourite conversations from you Robert and maybe anyone. Interesting and clear from start to finish. Thank you both ❤
Glad you enjoyed it, Sarah. Art was so well prepared.
This video is a long listen but I was excited to listen for right up to the end. When two guys just talk as honestly as they can manage it is amazingly interesting to me.
Robert is a teacher who pretends he doesn't teach, it is comical to me. I know that I always choose to call true what I do, but I too forget that and might not remember that I do hold the chance open that another person might have an idea that I like better than what I was calling truth. Precisely what he was saying in the part about dialogue conversations and debates. This was thinking excellency to me. I have seen long ago how I mostly love the way I think too, I don't know what is coming next but as he points out life does show what is required. Sometimes I am willing to follow and sometimes I am foolish and suffer more. So what.
I love the idea of walking on. It surprised me that he loves the wording too. The synchronicity of simplicity, I guess.
The ending was worth the wait. The Tanya story touched me deeply. The conflict with a lover has been some of my deepest lessons ever. I chime in with "yes a Rosy is supposed to have thorns so careful attention is required trying to handle".
Pristine, transparent teaching is misleadingly simple and I know that. I mean simplicity is confused with complexity and people just do do that. When Robert was asked to define "mind" my attention sharpened to focus even more. I hardly could listen and do house chores. When his conclusions came I literally laughed out loud from glee, surprise and relief. I felt, indeed, a trust development in that. I too have been asked this question, I have not given much valuable definitions, but my "truth" states that you/I are mind. As the video part about the whole word G O D, 'mind ' is a word too.
Words are learned and fail. It is beautiful when they fail because the truth is that, there, then.... Just Isness.
Thanks for your time.
Thanks for your detailed comments, Henry.
In the sense that we are all influenced by whatever we meet up with in life, anything or anyone can be a "teacher." I've learned a lot from walking with my donkeys. So when I say that I am not a teacher, I do not mean that you can't learn something from meeting me just as I might learn something from meeting you. I mean that the particular role called "spiritual teacher" does not apply to me. I have nothing to teach in that regard. Long ago, I found myself in the condition that I call "awake," but I cannot teach that. I speak only of my own point of view and have no idea what the next person may require.
ps i just finished the whole interview. really really beautiful. i could say so much.
what kind men y’all are. ❤️
good podcast. Here is my take on yin yang is actualy showing seamlesness of evrything if you take moutain and vally there cannot be moutains without valleys and vice versa. I meen no thing in my view is not against inclusivness if go with Taoist perspective yin and yang are manifestations of Tao but Lau tzu sayis in Tao Te Ching I call this mysteri Tao here Lau Tsu give a name to mysteri but it is still mysteri or not knowing and inclusivnes is part of it you dont need to includ or exclud anything becouse it is part of this livigness or alavness. Sorry guys for my english but this are concepts dont be stuck on words. Be who you are. And if you read Nisargadatta from erly days you can hear religious language but then he chanched it in later years. But very good podcast. Love it. Thank you bouth.
Thank you, Miroslav. Yes, on the level of human perception the Tao makes sense, but my critique of so-called nonduality is not on that level. When I speak my mind, it is not about words or concepts, but quite the opposite. I am saying that "Tao" is a concept that even Lao Tzu said could not be spoken. Nonduality is another such concept.
I am saying that humans are incapable of understanding "reality" and should stop speaking as if they did. No one knows what anything "really" is or how anything is organized. Each of us sees what he or she sees from a limited human and personal point of view.
@@RobertSaltzman Thakn you Robert for your replay. yes I am complitly agreing with you. Thats actualy on of things that hit me the most by reading your book and listening to you that we really dont know and that we canot know first I read that I was like dammmm man this is it and I was laughing for a couple of days becouse of this and al my books gone through window.
@@RobertSaltzmanrobert i agree. i think how on earth are humans, part of reality, supposed to be able to know what reality is!
it’s ridiculous that anyone would dare declare such knowledge. i grew up in the south. oh God, you know what I don’t even think I should start going down this road lol. i’m going to end it here. tho i could talk to you forever ❤️❤️❤️
Thanks, Kate. The good old South, bless their little hearts.
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If anybody feels competent to answer please do so, I got a question. Regarding the Zen Story the interviewer mentions at 16:00 . I always had my problem with this story and I see it in a way as the opposite of what Robert sometimes is expressing. The guy in the story doesn't get impressed by anything anymore, it's kind of a form of escapism, he doesn't dare to become genuinely happy or sad. He doesn't take the risk of living anymore in my view. Do I misinterpret something here?
Are there any pictures of Robert and his wife in their younger days?