Click Tracks Workshop
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- čas přidán 9. 12. 2012
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Explore using clicks, loops, backing tracks in your live worship service. Walk through various ideas and way of incorporating these technologies tools in your worship experience, from using a keyboard, an iPod, iPad or even a laptop to help.
after almost 10 years i am about to introduce this to my church. I know they are not going to like it but i will try my best. Thank you for your hard work. God bless you!
me too! will test in out this weekend
Praying for you as you encourage your worship team.
This is by far the best thing that has happened in the churches worship
Thank God for you you don't have any idea how much you have help me today play music for years but the way you explain a click track situation has truly blessed me services will never be the same church because of what you just did today thank you so much
its good to see this ,, people have no idea just how old backtracking has been around, we've been doing this when Cassettes were around.i perform live using backtracks , and get alot of flack for using this technique, to this day
Im now using Logic pro for mixing and audio, and record into and digital source,and put my click ( which by the is the COMPLETE SONG AS WE DO IT ),with MY VOICE giving counts for changes, endings, breakdowns etc..) which only the drummer and musicans can hear. and i use to use (my laptop, and ipod) as well, but now just have Track 1 with the click track for the band, and vocals on track 2, and keys on 3 and horns on track 4 going direct to my mixer.
thanks it was fun watching. keep it up,
This has been INCREDIBLY helpful! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
Fantastic video. taught me so much about how to go about setting up my own music with backing tracks. Thanks a million
Great tutorial. I’m the drummer at church starting to use click in ear. I had lots and questions. You answered them. Thanks. Great video.
We started with click tracks, not to be any fancier, but simply to help us hold the beat, and get tighter together as a group. It helped us be more consistent and disciplined in our playing, and helped us get through those places where we naturally wanted to start speeding up.
Awesome...I have been battling with this technology, but I see no reason for it! I'm glad that I was surfing around and found this post! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
I love the technology employed here!!! Its so interesting
WOW that is a lot of discipline, control and experience demonstrated right there
This was awesome! Praise God! Thanks for this
Man this is just what I needed..
Thanks for the simple explanation of the backing tracks and demonstrations.
thank you for this!! stumbled across it looking for click tracks! Im gonna use this at my church with my band!
I love using click tracks. I got guys at my church who can make these tracks and we do. Now me, I'm the drummer and I'm just pretty simple. I use REASON and just use simple shakes, snaps, claps, tambourine.
this is great teaching. Ive been wanting to get into this with my church and praise team. I definitely took a lot of note and will implement this for sure.
Thanks for sharing this, huge help, God Bless my brothers and sisters! :D
Great mullet from the sound man!
Cool workshop dude...very informitive & letting ppl getting acquainted with technology.I create my click track/loops using Logic MainStage since I'm a Mac user.
Thanks for sharing all of this information!
I love clicks and tracks. They really help tighten up the band and give a fuller sound if we're missing a guitar player or just want a little extra something like strings or synth. The only thing I don't like that this guy does is track vocals. I don't have any spiritual disagreement or think he's cheating, I just don't like it. But there is no reason why working this way should ever quench or hinder the holy spirit. And you can keep it organic and go back to verses and choruses by using a track pad that takes you back to wherever you want to in the song and gives you a little count in. This is not cheating, regardless of the hoopla comment I read further down. As long as your heart is still right with God and you're not trying to make the service an overproduction and you know your job is to lead people into worship and create an atmosphere for God to do his work.
Back in 1998 I used to do something similar with only my Roland xp60. Record loops make then a pattern then output via click out to drummer so he can stay on tempo and the loops and me going live via regular outputs. Was fun. Back then this technique was known as "playing with sequence" instead of whats known today as Tracks. Then pl stared doing the same with portastudios like tascam..roland vs1880 with full tracks..basically the same thing is done today with Ableton but instead a computer it was a portastudio with all the tracks divided by channel ready to mix .
Flashback...because this is what we used to do with MIDI and keyboard sequencers/drum machines, etc... 20 years ago...same principle, better sounds...add band.
Jim Campbell IT's similar, but not quite the same thing. You absolutely could not do the kinds of on-the-fly changes with something like a Roland MC500 that you can easily do w/ Ableton Live, or apps like LaunchPad.
I am a drummer, for years I have wanted aux percussion added to some of our songs but we are a small church and don't have any additional drummers. Using some of these techniques I can create some of those groves. My Aux drummer for now is an 11" MacBook Air :-) Thanks for the video. Looks like Abelton Live might be my next evolutionary step.
Thanks for posting the video, great information. Question, can you use Reason 8 the same way Albeton Live.? I'd like to learn more about this, where can I go for additional information and how-to's? Thanks
This is awesome bro!!!
Interesting. #drummerlife
Awesome Video Bro!
Thanks. Helpful session. God bless!
Fantastic work....
This was a very good workshop
I just Sub'd, pls continue to make more vids. GOD BLESS
24:23... even the bass player fell asleep on that one lol :)
THANK YOU!!!
Hi is this done via In Ear monitoring? (I don´t see any). If play in a small church you must have some bleed through the monitor speaker which the audience can hear, right? So the Audience hears the click track as well. How do you handle that? thanks
send a headphone mix to the drummer with click
awesome!!!
I hate that i’ve never seen this before.........Very late but this video is awesome and taught me a whole lot
Is there any website for commercial music backing tracks?
what song is that hes singing at the end?
I'm worshiping the lord with the cowbell!!!!
How to use it while free worship??
what program are u using on ur ipod??
I think it's a very useful tool this metronome thing, and we use as a band. But i also think that as a tool, i don't HAVE to use, if i don't want to.. and if we don't use click tracks we still can make records and record live, we've done it before, no problem. I think it depends what i want to do. Anyway, thanks for this webinar, it's very useful to have this info.
Using the click will bring perfection in timing. without a lot of people can't keep perfect timing...........all across the UPCI churches are using this and moving towards this.
daniel kinney May be we're not looking time "perfection", but time consistency.
Well if you are gifted with timing and you don't need it then don't use it. But there are a lot of people that can benefit from this. It's been around for years Professionals have been using it for decades this is not new
daniel kinney don't get me wrong... i'm not against click tracks or loops... they are fantastic, even when you do post editing, and so... BUT, the lack of click track isn't necesarily mean poor performance and vice versa... that's what i say
cool i totally get u on that
Amen
whats the name of that cd again?
It's 2013..Everyone uses Click Tracks! It's not about cheating, in fact using click tracks is not cheating. Because in order to do a Live Recording, there has to be click tracks involved to keep everyone in loop. No one has perfect time, No one.
What church are they from?
I think what the gentleman in front was asking is this: My back track arrangement is set up as Verse, Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Chorus, Vamp, Ending and during the worship service that chorus is feeling sooooo good that I want to do Chorus, Chorus, Chorus, Chorus, Chorus, Vamp, Ending. How do I do that or how is it communicated to accomplish that "freedom"?
+Ronnie Smith I think he answers that on 52:41. If you use markers and also cues, the band will know/hear where you're going 4 bars before you reach the next point.
Ronnie, if you use markers associated with certain midi pedals you can repeat anything on the fly if you've cut things up and mapped them appropriately in session view of abelton. Check out multitracks CZcams channel
+Dr. Nicholas Pratt ohhh..Ok Thanks. I will have to get Ableton.
+Ronnie Smith watch this entire series. Each of the 9ish videos are 10-20 minutes. You'll get your answers there and see the power of Abelton
+Ronnie Smith also search Loop Community Abelton and watch their videos and you'll find out how to have midi foot controllers que certain song sections and being able to change the format on the fly.
Hello I Am a bass player playing backing tracks with my band. I just have a question how can I use a mic to talk to the engineer and my band through an in ear system I just would like to know how to route the mic so that the band and engineer hear me but not the house
Hey Erik!
It will mainly depend upon what is running in the back and how many spare channels there are. The best way would be send a mic to the back and add it to on-stage monitors and to the engineer's mix. There is a very complicated to do that with ableton, but a separate channel would be best.
You send it to the board like regular but you send it to the auxes and not to the mains. With that, don't make it more complicated than it has to be. Send a line to the back of the board, and make sure not to send it to the mains, and click the auxes where you want to go out to. Hope this helps.
Thanks man it works
Awesome! Happy it worked!
Only the religious will try discredit this people are pushed out of their comfort Zone and find a way to criticize what they clueless about THIS IS GREAT INFO GUYS STILL RELEVANT IN 2021
what song is that?the first one
Glorious by Martha Munizzi
Very helpfull
good video mix mono good idea
Who sings the song that they start singing at 24:06?
did you find out who sings it?
thts his song
lol that guitarist loves music.
I had a guy say that this was a crutch for the poorer musicians and that it doesn't make their music better unless they get better.
Look... do you bowl or golf? Did you start off as a pro bowler or golfer? No? Then I bet you took advantage of certain tools in the game called handicaps that leveled the playing field and made it enjoyable for you, a sub-par bowler, to partake of the game and find joy in it. Eventually, you got better and the handicap was needed less and less till you hit your scoring cap.
The same is happening here. This is a tool. It allows musicians with a poorer timing ability to sync up and play better. There is also the ability to repeat the chorus ON THE FLY. So all the folks who desire to follow the leading of the Spirit don't have to worry about the click track stopping. There are so many variables to this tool now. Dive into it and learn how to use it.
Can you explain more what you mean by "cheating"? I am a sound engineer, producer, music director and musician. I never heard that theory...I'm not challenging you, I just want to get an understanding of what you mean.
Once during Choir Practice the holy ghost fell upon one person, and we had Church during practice. GOD can show up and show out in ANY SITUATION and certainly he is not going to Leave out the People who choose to use this idea.
Freaks come out at night!
the end of free praise and worship
Michael Villalpando Nonsense. Nothing says anyone has to do just one thing. Everything has a structure. Even "free playing" has restrictive structure regarding key signatures, etc. It's all just a template for the Holy Spirit to operate. Creativity is ALWAYS about getting something amazing from a structured system. If you think that the HS can't work with a click-track, you might as well say that the key of C is too restrictive. God is not limited by our limitations.
Michael Villalpando What do you mean by that?!
ZombieTactics Depends how far you take it. There is no creative process for the musician standing on a stage if he is playing along to prerecorded music, and his own levels are so low he is a minor part of the sound. That is the extreme end. It's a little deceptive too, because you are giving the impression that you are doing something that you are not doing.
Adding drums or bass, or some percussion when you don't have them on stage, but what you yourself are playing is not in the backing track, that to me seems acceptable. There is no deception there. But a singer singing with 4 layers of vocals to thicken the sound.... if you don't really need the singer standing there except for the visual, then it would be more upfront to present that as miming or something else.
Bob Wrotenstien For purpose of clarity, can you tell me what instrument you play? Do you have a personal stake or interest?
+Michael Villalpando Not really, you can arrange the project file so that you can change the arrangement mid song. And you don't even need Ableton, you can do this in Reaper which is a $60 DAW. Almost every pro band you hear, CCM, Gospel, Secular, is running some sort of tracks. You can even program the keys on you're midi controller or keyboard to correspond to sections of the song or to turn off or on certain parts of the track. You can be just as flexible with the track as without it.
Silly rabbit, clicks are for drummers. :-)
what if the the pastor says to stop in the middle of playin would the click track still continue on?
Why would a pastor do that? Just interrupt an intimate moment with God like that?
Yes, it's very easy to stop a click track. Usually spacebar on a laptop will work.
Matthew Lewis some do and ur people that are running the click have to pay attention
MORE COWBELL!!!! LOL
thanks for the info but that BUZZ ...
@utubehound69 every artist uses click and tracks now and days. It's not cheating makes your band full.
Yeap it's a great technology but where do you guys put the HolySpirit in it ? It's for my part just good for a concert.
i don't even get where you people are thinking that GOD and the Holy Ghost cannot be in this...........that is so absurd.
It always makes me laugh when people bring this question up, because when they say “the Holy Spirit” what they really mean is “lack of direction and communication to your band members”
Spontaneity doesn’t always mean unplanned. A good worship leader always has at least a plan in place with his band members.
No they don't. So do you think that "if that everyone does it" makes it right?
THIS IS SIMPLY A RECORDED PRAISE AND WORSHIP... THATS ALL..
were will I would I be able to fine super natural love????
PEOPLe that are complaining about the Holy Ghost and split tracks or clicks...........you can Feel God even in this teaching that he is doing. I don't understand how you guys or anyone can say that The Holy Spirit can't be felt using this idea. That is so absurd. DON"T JUDGE on things you have yet to attempt this has been around for Generations. You just didn't know it
daniel kinney Agreed, same principle applies like when you listen to a recorded album.
Why does everyhting i search for on click tracks, resort back to "worship" bands?? im an atheist... and i want to use click tracks... or are they just for the god squad? lol
Cuz we seem to use it more and we're nice enough to give you the information .
And who knows, maybe God wants you to use your talent to worship him, that's why you keep getting worship bands.
And firstly can I say thank you for sharing ur videos! Secondly... I will use mu talents to worship "God" if u can show me the tiniest scrap of evidence "God" exists ;) cheers man!... and please dont reply asking me to show evidence that god doesnt exist cos we both know that wont end well :) take care brother! (Not brother of the lord... brother of man!)
DRUMs K way to be passive aggressive. Not cool dude.
If God wants me to use my talents to worship him... Tell him to make me win the lotto so I can buy all the equipment I need to put talents to the best of my ability lol
What does it matter what some other person believes? I study a lot of recording techniques that were developed by atheists and I don't complain about what they believe. Just be tolerant of other people's beliefs bro. Have a great week!
Started off so well, and then what a bloody mess.
Yeah but he said not to add to it
Useful, old school stuff, with new school gear that's all. The Motif KB, the guy at the back is playing can do all that anyway, sampling voices and layering the brass etc, it's just doubling up with a little Ipod. Sorry, you are not showing anything new, just new tech.
22:23... trolling ftw!
The men have long hair...
jose angel garcia jr. ok....😂😂
Let me address one of the comments on this thread KNOW ONE EVER has been sued for doing this.
This guy has much truth, with a lot of BS where he doesn't feel comfortable.
your never going to sound just like the CD. how about you just put the CD. on and save everybody a bunch of time. my option is this, it is good practice tool.
+David Tafoya why would you want to sound excatly like the the CD people can listen to the CD if they want to hear it done like that
+gospelplayer2 - General RAWR . exactly my point. if it did where is the expression of the heart. besides we are "skillfully play" our instruments. if God wanted just a bunch of electronic beings worshiping him he would have made them, I believe he created people with free will who would praise him because they choose to. thanks for the opportunity to clarify.
David Tafoya I'm a 20 year pro with a music degree. I, and many bands, secular as well as church, use tracks/samples/clicks for a few useful reasons. 1. Working with subs (pros generally are first come first serve). I can't be beholden to a keyboardist's non-ability to not get all timbres and parts. 2. Fashioning a set to bpm like a DJ = emotional impact as dance band. 3. Aux sounds like white noise, hand claps, appropriate kicks for modern music. Try playing a Rhianna song w/o it. You'll sound adequate at best. Mostly, the reason musicians and audience complain is because the players emotionally translate their fear when "confined" by a click/track/tech. Why are the musicians fearful? Because, it's difficult and exposes the players' weaknesses; drummer has poor time/can't play to a click (can't simply claim you're "jazz."), bassist/guitar/vox don't fully know the arrangement, keyboardist doesn't have the producer ears or motivation to cover full arrangement parts. You see, it's REFUSING to play to click/tech that is the crutch.
Stephen Pertesis i can appreciate your perspective. However From mine I am not looking at it from a entertainment point of view. Last weekend I along with a church full of people were move by a young lady (a guest ) and her guitar only (without tracks) because of what came out of her heart. after which the worship team (they do use the click tracks) where added to the stage and i whatch the atmospere change as soon as the music began. it wasnt the music it was the heart. The purpose of a praise and worship team is not to entertain but to lead in people into worship. I guess we have a different goals. To me its as different as painting what a person feel, and painting a color by number picture.
Hey David. I totally agree with you from an artist/creative standpoint. If it were up to me, I would let my guitar do all of the speaking. I have and people are moved. It's just a matter, for me, of playing weddings, corporate parties and bars = we perform the same function as DJs. I've come to accept it in order to compete with them. Oh look...two people on youtube with seemingly polar opposite views realizing that they actually agree on from different perspectives haha That has never happened as far as I know. Thanks for being a good sport!
Guitar way to loud
Turn the guitar down!!!!
This is NOT about play'n w/a Click Track,He's showing you how to cheat & play backing trx w/a band. Bands Artist have been Sued over using this method he is explaining as a click & it's NOT a loop is not a click.An artist MUST by law print on a ticket backing trx used@ concert,IF you have a Good Drummer you don't need a click live. You think The Holy Spirit has any to do w/this? I've run sound for years & we never used a click,my band never used a click in studio.He said to do cuz the World does
This guy is very arrogant you can tell by the way he talks to the band.. plus he music they play sucks... I’ll fall asleep listening to them
Yet here you are taking time out of your day to comment on the video
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Milli Vanilli did it better.
We started with click tracks, not to be any fancier, but simply to help us hold the beat, and get tighter together as a group. It helped us be more consistent and disciplined in our playing, and helped us get through those places where we naturally wanted to start speeding up.