Can smart people fail the IQ test? | Richard Haier and Lex Fridman
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Lots of nervous geniuses in the comments.
It's obvious that Lex has some mild verbal impediment, which he and the SAT detected... brain efficiency.
You know Einstein had a stutter?
@@alwaysfutureneverpastmakep7307 two of the most intelligent people I have ever met had a stutter. A stutter is not a sign of low IQ.
@@proudatheist2042 I’m aware. That’s my point
I had iq test score 130 and 90 same week
Also motivation, tiredness or other mental health conditions that one may be experiencing at the time such as depression
you can improve your SAT score if you study for it; that's why people take prep classes. Also, your study habits up to the point of taking the test make a difference. People just love to think they know what intelligence definitively is and how it can be definitively measured, and who has it and who doesn't and to what degree, whether individually or as a group. Notice all the pat-on-the-back, I'm so awesome at this, I aced this, that's a breeze, I had no problem with X comments. "Intelligence" is one of the greatest of all insecurities.
I understand. But if you looked in the data, I suppose you would see that people with high intelligence study less on certain sections or on average rather than someone who worked for 1500-1600. In my opinion the most G factor loaded section in SAT is reading section, you’ve got to interpret the words, I may be wrong.
They do within a relatively small margin. Approximately 7%. The rest, IQ
I always thought entrance tests like SAT are made to measure more than just subject knowledge. How you cope with pressure and manage your performance is also a test.
Maybe it is,but it will not count,or add up to your IQ score.
True but by doing so they are essentially throwing away countless great minds because our society values predetermined standards over emotional growth. If the school systems had secular spiritual leaders or maybe just counselors that actually cared there could be more emphasis on learning self care and well being, that way students could be in a better mental state to show their true aptitude. Hopefully one day they’ll do away with all the time limits
@@donatehilltop I agree 100%
Yeah coping with pressure is also a test, but does not belong into your intelligence score.
Anyone can get a 1600 on the SAT with enough practice and sufficient coping capability. The test is pretty straightforward too, so it’s really just a matter of learning how to do certain questions. It is, in no way, an indication of IQ.
Felt exactly the same way. Aced math on ACT and SAT with a lot of time to spare. But always felt in a rush on the verbal. Did well with grammar and vocab. Felt rushed on the little short stories that were like “pick the best answer”. To me, you could have made an argument on why one of the incorrect answers should have been correct depending on how literally you took the question. Always overthought those kinds of questions. My wife was good at them though because she was always like “this is they one they want you to pick.”
@@MI-qj6xr wouldn’t say it’s g loaded. It’s really not hard in terms of most kinds of reasoning. It really just feels like time-consuming busy work.
@@MI-qj6xr fair enough
The other guy isnt quite right only pre 1994 SATs are highly g loaded
The best iq tests are pattern recognition based tests that don't rely on letters or numbers in any way, because education level is not the same as intelligence. They're the type that show you a bunch of boxes of symbols and shapes and ask you to pick which one would come next. You. Can't fake those tests or use prior advantages or privileges to score higher. Language and math skills are irrelevant in these tests. You can either work it out or you can't, each question is harder than the last one, the more you complete, the smarter you must be.
Based on the fact that certain purely 2d optical illusions don't work on some people based on the construction techniques of their childhood homes, I can actually imagine that this kind of pattern recognition is also a trainable skill.
For example there is a correlation between the rotational pattern matching test results of toddlers and having been bought Lego Duplo blocks as a present by someone else. You can teach a child to rotate imaginary 3d shapes better. Why not be able to teach a child to detect patterns?
@@nicholascarter9158 agreed, it's not going to be perfect. The gap between someone that has university level language skills and a non native English speaker is massive and easier to overcome with a pattern based test, the gap between 2 people with varying experience sorting patterns is not as easy to overcome, nevertheless we need to test something to rank the capacity of people to process information, so I can't see a better option.
@@nicholascarter9158 Take the jcti assessment and you will see it has ability to test intelligence far better than those iq test that have rotation/visualisation questions. its pure inductive reasoning
Cheers for the video mate 😎 👌
The point about test anxiety negatively influencing IQ test performance can be linked to another point drawn from several studies about character traits such as conscientiousness explaining a larger share of variance than the IQ itself.
completely understand lex on the SAT. I got a near-perfect score in the math section and in the English section, I was always not as good.
I took a test when applying for a new job. It wasn't exactly an IQ test but more or less the same. I felt like I couldn't think straight at all when taking the test and I had that constant voice in the back of my head stressing me out like mad.
I knew I had done a very bad job at it and I sort of "apologized" to the interviewer before even seeing my results. Sure enough the results were poor. I scored poorly on 3/4 tests except verbal where I was quite a bit above average.
It has honestly shattered my ego quite a lot, being someone who has always been able to get good grades when I tried to take it seriously and being someone who has always been told I was smart. I try to tell myself nerves got to me and that's why I did way worse than I thought I ever would (I was very anxious when doing the test). Even if that isn't really true I'd much rather believe in that than lose a lot of my self worth and doubt my abilities (which I already do a lot).
Just writing this to get it off my chest cuz it bugs me way more than it probably should :(
You are more than a test score
this comment is very relatable. ive always been told i was smart however ive always doubted my grades as some mixture of luck and effort. sure enough i take a standardized test like the free mensa iq test and score a 105. i guess because i hold these tests to a lot of weight it also kinda hit my self confidence a lot even if it just confirms what i already know. i kinda find it funny that we also both also made excuses even if we didnt fully believe it.
Same here I took some type of test in 2020 to get on a sales team and that time I was not only very nervous about the test but I was going through the most toughest time in my life in 2020 I was experiencing panic attacks and anxiety attacks along with intrusive thoughts I couldn’t focus on that test. Now I’m curious what test that was
Lex I feel the same way you do. But I noticed that it also depends on a person that is giveing you an IQ test,their behavior etc. As many times as I did this test I found out that when am doing the test,person that is giveing me the test/testing me ,if they are very good persons,then am more relaxed and can do better despite the time limite,and also if the person is bad and just wants you to do it,and always is being negative,then I do a little and sometimes way worse then when I did it befor. Been tested a lot of times. Thats why I wrote this. BTW - Thank you Lex for this video!
Most standardized tests just have proctors who administer the tests and have zero influence the score .
Modern standardized entrance exams are not super highly g loaded. For the SAT, this switch happened around 1996. For the GRE, this switch happened around 1980. The practice effect became much more prevalent after those times for the respective tests.
The most g-loaded IQ tests like Raven's matrices have a lower correlation with SAT and ACT than other less g-loaded IQ tests. SAT or ACT demands that one knows algebraic equations and trigonometry, or pedantic grammatical details, while abstract reasoning tests like Raven's demand neither.
the most g-loaded iq test is the WAS, plain and simple, and the most g-loaded section of that test is the vocabulary. to your point, though, the ACT/SAT assume a great amount of prior knowledge, especially on the math section.
Gradually became more anxious as an adult, and then conquered it in one fell swoop following psychedelics. Scored 4 standard deviations above average as a child, then as I got a little older, 3, a little older 2, again 2, then 4 again after psychedelics.
Same. Just finished 6 sessions of ketamine and it allowed my true intelligence to bubble back up to the surface.
@@TheChartFather Please, do tell more. What about the experience do you think gave you your self back? The transcendental nature? Or something chemical? Also, length of sessions/how often/dosage?
@@Adam-tp8py 45m sessions. Began with 80mg IV drip. Increased each session up to 160mg in the finally session. 2 sessions week 1, 2 sessions week 2 then 1 session per week for 2 weeks. Ptsd from extreme work conditions locked up my brain so to speak. Unable to focus and relax to any meaningful degree. Ketamine helped my brain reset back to baseline. Picture trying to accomplish a task while being under fire in a war zone. Now picture trying to accomplish the same task while in a peaceful library or quiet forest. Which situation would you be able to perform optimally in? Well my brain like so many others was stuck in figh or flight mode. So I would say it was a combination of both chemical and transcendental. The chemical reset enables me to experience more of a transcendental experience now. Ketamine works to improve neuroplasticity. So it's a work in progress like most things of value. So much more to ketaime Iv therapy then I can write. Tons of great information on the web can explain things more in detail.
I used to do quite well at these when I was stupid. Terribly, now that I am not. I'm more knowledgable now which I equate with intelligence, but score lower on those matrix tests (trauma).
So let me get it straight is this what I'm hearing or I'm just misunderstanding it: he is saying that not only test results when read directly may not be accurate estimate on top of that there may be a person involved who can add his own bias?
I can read and write scientific papers all day no problem. Yet, reading a 4th grade novel I have never been able to do. I graduated college on the Dean's list but I still had to cheat through English and it's the only language I know. Intelligence is totally irrelative to so many things we tend to think of as being smart.
Something about the language of fiction and non-fiction is so different. I am like you. I read papers, news articles, books (non-fiction) just fine. But for some novels, I totally zone out. I know it is in English but I seem to register it as if it is written in another language.
Wtf are you talking about? That doesn’t make sense at all.
You can read and write scientific papers, but can’t read a 4th grade novel?
Do you mean you just don’t want to finish a 4th grade novel or you can’t comprehend it??
@@PRICEX It's just the way my brain works. You know how people often get brain fog/fatigue when reading for hours? Well it's like that for me super quickly with only novels. Also 4th grade is probably the wrong age. Really pretty much any novel without pictures.
@@shadowprince4482 so you can only "read" with pictures?
@@Mogwai88 It really just depends on what I read.
I have never had trouble performing this way but I know some girls in school who had this issue.
I was never anxious I was exited so maybe it's a perspective thing.
We feeling the same way but how we interpret our feelings gives different results in the real world.
If you interpret them positively you do better and if you call it anxious you get mental block.
I feel so stupid because I can’t remember things without my notes. I can probably remember stuff if given a longer amount of time with more practice, but I almost never have enough time to remember. I can get questions right when I can refer to my notes for little things I might miss, for example I get things switched around often in my head, is it a + or a - sign? I can see both in my head and don’t know which!
Depends on how one measure success.
But one must have a store of knowledge from which to reason. That implies exposure to the schooling method of teaching--which stand as rdizes student learning and ignors/bypasses individual learning differences--which are many.
Furthermore, there is no way the fild of Psychology is unaffected or not formed by a given society, therefore the field cannot escape from an underlying political influence--which is significant, therefore there is a built-in bias in favor of a society's preferred values.
Schooling typically does NOT encourage imagination,; instead in encourages memory and "facts" or conventions, all taught on their respective face values, therefore schooling does not encourage creativity which, I believe, is a significant part of true intelligence.
The other criteria is "do you have funding secured for your education"?
Actually studies have shown that the effect of any education on your IQ scores is negligible, within 1-2 points at the max. Going to the best funded school with one digit student counts per classroom, an on site astronomy lab and swimming pool and aquarium and computer lab with newest hardware and all the bells and whistles you can think of will give your child a better experience, but it won't make their IQ higher.
The single and most impactful thing on IQ is malnourishment. If you are malnourished you won't reach your phenotypic maximum (the IQ score you could potentially achieve given sufficient nutrition). But once people are well fed there is nothing one really can do to successfully improve their IQ.
ah and the reason most people falsely believe that education can raise your IQ is because they conflate it with being smart or knowledgeable. That is not what IQ scores represent - IQ is way better described with the term aptitude than any of the aforementioned ones. Human reaction time highly correlates with IQ.
Fun fact, reaction times have been getting slower over the decades ever since the beginning of the 20th century.
Why do parents and teachers tell so many students they may be anxious and not score well. What you believe will often be the results. Tell a kid they are stupid and may believe it for years.
How about resenting being judged .
You can train for IQ tests like any other exam. I think where the G factor really comes in is learning ability and adaptability, how fast you are able to pick up on information. But for some reason we test rote memorization...
that is such bs too lol there are test prep courses that actually show you the questions before hand that are very likely on the test
there's also answer finding strategies so that you can plug in number into a calculator instead of having to do the whole question
Wow, I can't believe Lex can "zone out" when reading, (like I do).
So does this mean if a person takes all types of tests several times, the best score will be the relevant on each type?
What is a g factor?
i enjoy the traffic light test , green means go , im 33% before i leave go.
If they want to
Man i stared at the thumbnail too long before i figured it out. It is 1am but still lol
well i just took a stupid sample test and i got a question wrong because i gave the value of X but it was asking for the value of x squared and i didn't read it carefully enough......WHO TF DOES THAT????
The answer to the riddle is all 3 in the bottom shaded in.
This still indicates the test is flawed. This shouldn't be a problem if it's as perfect as they say.
R u going 2 interview Mr. P?
that beginning thats all me but I am also ASD and ADHD
I hate being obligated to sit there and answer all those tedious questions. There's just so many of them and they go on forever. I don't care about solving any of these problems. None of them are really relevant to my life. Also, some of these questions are just variations of the same thing. Why do we have to keep answering the same question in different ways?
I also hate being stuck in a room for hours. The AC is usually too high and I'm freezing or the room is too hot and I'm sweating. I can't eat in the mornings and usually I'm just sitting there all jittery, caffeine-d up, and uncomfortable.
Hate it.
I wish they could give you practical scenarios and have you try to solve them. Why can't that be a test? Why does it have to be this written splatter on a page.
I know for a fact that I'm not a genius because I have no patience whatsoever.
Non verbally i am almost a standard deviation above to what i score o WAIS.
Those with extremely high maths IQ's tend to have only reasonably above average verbal, and vice versa, those with extremely high verbal IQ's tend to only have reasonably above average maths.
Few people are 145+ in both.
The missing square in the thumbnail should look exactly like the bottom-left square.
Your score: 162
Yes, the sum of the first two. I agree.
Btw what is g and g-factor? Could someone please answer?
How gangsta you are 😅
As far as I'm aware it's basically intelligence or something that is very strongly correlated to how intelligent you are or could be?
G factor is a number supposed to measure intelligence, it comes from the idea that general intelligence exists and can be measured as a variable. The factor itself was once very common but, after the evidence of idiot savants and brain injured soldiers from WWs, the idea of a multi-variable intelligence started to seem more reasonable
Your ability to solve problems in general, not just one specific set of them.
Thanks for all your answers, but still wanna know if there is any quantitative measurement of g-factor? Is there any formula to calculate it?
Did they mention the relationship between IQ and high rated chess players anywhere in the interview? I’m curious 🧐
Nope because that's been debunked .
(Typing this on my phone, so no proper indentions unfortunately.) Scored 140, but ran out of time. Although my iq maybe high, my drive and motivation is very low and is also not an estimated 190 like Magnus Carlson. Also my laziness is very high and my attention span is horrible with adhd and so on. Psychologically I heard a big common factor for developing adhd is actually environmental circumstances from your childhood with a common situation of growing up in a divorced family being a common cause. Which is unfortunately my scenario. It has its pros and cons and maybe I could’ve been even more intelligent, but I have my drawbacks. which I mentioned in the beginning. It might feel special to have a high iq, but at the end of the day I have no drive and I’m just lazy and it may not transfer over and be applied to my life. Although I can pickup any instrument and program language and learn it within a short amount of time, make good math scores without studying much and also be great at chess considering I started playing later than a lot of other great players. I don’t have the dedication and drive to finish everything all the way through. Which is my biggest problem. And I guess part of the reason is that I’m good at everything, but that might not be a great thing either. Because I’m not focused on one craft and perfecting that one craft. I’m doing everything at once and I spread myself too thin. And I end up learning everything sort of halfway bootleg style. Which leaves me to be burnt out all the time. While other people choose one craft, focus on it and prefect it. So, in fact many people with lower iq’s are surprisingly more successful due to their determination and drive which I don’t have. Lol, I just solved my own problem and maybe I should sectors out my activities and do one thing at a time. But, I don’t have the drive to fix it lolololol.😂 Also life doesn’t wait for you to get good at everything too. Maybe there are others like me and maybe if I focus and study a bit more I can get a higher iq. But, it wouldn’t prove much anyways.😂 so there goes my negative side again lol.
Jordan Peterson said in a lecture that the SAT measures crystallized intelligence. Then he said that crystallized intelligence is supposed to also account for fluid intelligence. I'm surprised I'm not hearing this in this segment. Forget people who get anxious while taking the SAT. What about smart people who aren't in a good school? I'm no liberal, but I do agree that the SAT is socioeconomically biased.
Another issue that I am very interested in knowing is why the evolutionary machine did not continue producing human beings above 130 and considered enough an IQ between 90 and 110 for the life of human beings. For example, it improves the survival of genes of giraffes to have a longer neck?
The questionable assumption in your question is that higher intelligence would correspond to higher reproductive fitness, and this should not necessarily be the case. Of course, there could be a certain bottom-level threshold of poor cognitive performance that would then disrupt other functional mechanisms that are in fact selected for due to their adaptive value, but there is no reason to suppose that higher or lower IQ in itself has a direct link to such positive outcomes. Also, your formulation of the question seems to suggest that there is such a thing as a universal intelligence that all living beings have in common, and this may not be true, since what is considered as "intelligent" behaviour among members of one species need not be considered as such when it comes to understanding and explaining the behaviour of another species.
@@dj098 Genetic advantages are manifested in a higher frequency of the responsible genes in the next generation.
I am autistic and gifted.
I honestly don't know why on WAIS they make questions about subjective things (like taxation or importance of opposing child labour) as if it was an objective matter.
The first time I have done it I entered in an argument with the psychologist trying to explain fact vs value dichotomy and that even if the questions envelopes phenomenal concepts (like neural development) their core problem (importance/value) is completely non-cognitive (ie. irrational), it has nothing to do with inteligence but with heuristically bound societal conventions.
The same applies to taxes. Asking about the importance of taxes to an anarchist is absurd.
The psychologist acted as if I was defending or justifying child labour.
They're idiots. Ironically, not very bright.
It measures how well you can lie, which is a great plus in personal life.
@@nehorlavazapalka I really don't think so
That's fascinating, as someone on the spectrum as well it's interesting to me how often emotional arguments come into "logical" reasoning and then we are blamed and called sociopathic for pointing those things out. People think morality and values are universal, which is a fatal error on their part.
@@queengoblin Sociopathy is quite opposite to autism.
Sociopaths don't have affective empathy, what autists have.
I perform well on tests if given enough time. My processing speed isn't geared towards answering questions quickly. I have actually found that people with fast processing speed often lack emotion. Take someone like Ben Shapiro. Fast talker, but not a deep thinker.
Good point, you also get better at IQ tests the more you take them, meaning there is a certain amount of knowledge involved, but part of that improvement may also be from you feeling less anxious about the tests as you know better and better what to expect.
And that is the driving force behind the "Flynn effect".
@@baraka629 Perhaps, though it doesn't explain the reverse flynn effect that has dominated the last 30 years
You solve pattern problems better when you seen similar patterns before hand. This whole IQ test and intelligence measuring thing is absolute nonsense. Best way to measure intelligence is not by test results but my one's meaningful field achievements.
@@sk-sm9sh I know that sounds like a good idea, but "meaningful field achievements" is very vague. How are we to compare two completely different achievements? Vote on it? Or how does someone get an idea of how smart you are if they have no idea how difficult your achievement was? Most people don't have a clue as to how their computers or phones work. What you'd have is a much worse, much more inaccurate system. Also, if you haven't made any meaningful life achievements, would your intelligence just be 0 with your system? That is only an idea someone who has had many meaningful field achievements would like lol
Furthermore, IQ tests are far from just pattern recognition, you can devise any kind of test you want, as long as it doesn't involve educational prerequisites, such as history questions, and people with high IQs will still score higher than others. So, in short, if I have a higher IQ than you, it means there is no test you (or anyone) could devise where I would score lower than you (on average). This ability brains have to do things better than other brains is how we define intelligence, so you'd have to redefine the word itself if you don't like that.
@@tristunalekzander5608 meaningful field achievements is not vague at all. We do that all time and we celebrate and give out prises for that. Key thing is to avoid comparing people. Celebrate work. Celebrate intelligence. Not the comparison. There is hardly any practical need to compare some vague biased test scores of two people. Alternatively if you want to turn it into people vs people comparison then turn that into sport like chess or go or pub quiz. Make it competetive but make sure you keep it clear that you only do it for sakes of fun and entertainment.
What is it about IQ that makes people come up with so many copes and excuses? Such fragiles egos.
If you don't have a whole lot going for you outside of your mental talents, and you were always told you were smart in the small pond before you got to the big pond, it can feel like a piece of your identity is being smashed.
But that's why you should stay humble. We all got our set of talents, do the best with the cards you're dealt.
@@TheMrVogue Exactly. As someone who probably has an IQ in the 130s (I took some leaked IQ tests online, like TRI-52 and some other good ones), I was always surrounded with people less intellectually capable than me. Once I realized that there are people who could outperform me intellectually (in terms of general problem solving speed), that really shattered my idea of being very intelligent and now I'm left wondering what I'm even good for. My main (and really only) ability is being intelligent, and sure I'm pretty intelligent overall, but when there are many people that can outperform you - what are you supposed to do? I guess the thing that can separate you from others is your personality and type of creativity. Many people show it in different ways and if you can tap into your unique type of creativity and show it - then you might just be worth something to people.
@@nemplayer1776 Samezies, the good news is IQ is just a tiny fraction of what you are capable of. I know some really God damn smart people who aren't very good with practical problem solving, but are absolutely brilliant with the really abstract stuff. I on the other hand am really good at practical stuff, okay at the abstract. I'm a bottom up thinker, a lot of people are top down thinkers. Pros and cons to that. Also, hard work and discipline always beats talent when splitting hairs on things that are fuzzy in nature. Hard work and a pretty good luck of the draw is a killer combo. If you're not an asshole and can work with people and can make thinking fun, then you beat out a lot of people "smarter" than you.
I think eq is largely bullshit, but there is something to be said about understanding people and understanding how to work with them.
Also, there are advantages to quick problem solving and meticulous problem solving. IQ tests measure speed, but it would be a curious thing to see what the results would be if there was no time limit.
There's also working memory and crystal intelligence, and long term memory, all of which provide different advantages and aren't entirely captured by IQ tests.
Anyway, all I can say is count your blessings, work hard, dream big and as long as you're doing your best you shouldn't feel bad, and don't compare yourself to others, which is easier said than done, but is really something to live by.
Remember, we all die in the end, so have some fun along the way!
Will a depressive episode or chronic depression affect your IQ?
Indeed it will and in a negative manner. Long episodes of depression (the more chronic the disease the worse it becomes) will mean certain brain regions will shrink. It is only until the depressive episodes end (or are reduced) that these regions begin to regrow.
See for your own research "hippocampal damage via depression and prefrontal cortex damage."
@@freshtoast3879 I also heard that stress can reduce ur IQ down 10 points or something like that.
@@jigsaw4253 indeed it can. Even things such as not sleeping enough at night and being overweight can.
Dehydration is also a significant IQ decreaser.
@@freshtoast3879 This is why taking an IQ test would be pointless for me. I deal with ADHD, Depression, Insomnia, and I have SEVER! test taking anxiety. Performance anxiety too. It wouldn't matter if I was taking a brain dead easy test, that a 4 year old could pass. I would still be sweating bullets. On top of my other issues, I feel like whatever test I take, the end score would not be accurate until I managed the underlining issues.
@@jigsaw4253 well, in my opinion. You're probably at least average intelligence. The sentence structure and vocabulary that you used in your replies is heavily indicative of this.
Less intelligent people would retort to me that and I quote "but I'm smart ya know cause I (excuse ensues)". These individuals are often dumbfounded when dealing with someone who can articulate their thoughts and construct complex language sentences better than they can.
I speak 5 languages, 2 masters, scholarships, been working...I ended being below average😢
Why do so many people get so upset that some people/groups of people are naturally more intelligent? No one gets upset about that same thing when it comes to height, strength, or athletic ability.
So many also believe that all groups are equally intelligent as everyone else but no one seems to mind that certain groups are massively over represented in the NBA or track and field
I don't think this is coming from a good place, lol
Yeah, it's not a dog whistle if everyone can hear it clearly lmao
Men get upset about their height fairly commonly. Usually in the context of being explicitly excluded from the pool of suitors according to a woman's online dating profile.
@@usurper501 facts cant be dog whistles, so their interpretation says more about the interpreter than the presenter.
People get mad all the time about having less height, strength or athletic ability. Some people want to be the best at or have the best of…everything. Obviously it’s not possible, but some people deeply resent being lesser.
I remember in 4th grade I was given an iq test to be in the gifted program and I guessed basically half the answers and still scored in the top 15%
Then you were never gifted.
I got a 128 on the test and felt like I was stupid for years. Changed 2 answers at the last minute hence my (in my view) “bad score”.
@@JoJoJoker Really? they told you what questions you got wrong?
@@phuckpootube6231 I just guessed the last half because the lady testing me said I needed to go fast and it was those complicated shape puzzles where you had to guess the next one
@@padarousou "Guessing" a shape rotation may be truly luck, but it may also be quick visual recognition. Sometimes actors are able to trigger "intuitive" conclusions in people like "he's telling the truth but doesn't like her." or "she's comforting her but feels guilty" by adjusting their facial expressions, but most people would never say "I notice that his super orbital ridges don't align with the angle of his smile" or anything so anatomically technical. Not all knowledge is conscious knowledge.
Creativity can't be measured and it's way better than having a high IQ. Your ability to teach is another thing to consider
Better? I don’t think superlatives can be applied here. It’s your subjective opinion. The non-creatives are still very useful in their own way. Implementation and analysis, for a couple examples. Although, many of those people ARE creative thinkers and problem-solvers. So…actually, you may have a point. 😆
@@296jacqi how about this. I'd rather have the creativity of J.R. Tolkien than the IQ of Hawking.
Real intelligence is creativity + intellect.. trace the word back to it's etymological roots in latin and you will see that the Greeks understood this well. It's the combination of the left and right side of the brain working in harmony.
@@anab0lic cool stuff
@@anab0lic creativity itself is a byproduct of high intelligence. General creativity, not just from an artistic standpoint.
It’s clear that semantics can get in the way of this explanation.
I completely disagree with Richard Haier, with a tutor my ACT score went up drastically. How could the test be measuring the G factor if there is a whole industry that aims to show you how to do better on the test. If the ACT/SAT really was an intelligence test, then scores would be stable across time for an individual.
Your tutor was able to help you because you had the underlying cognitive competency to do well on the material. If you had a well below average IQ, you wouldn't be able to read the test or understand the concepts, even with tutoring.
SAT is nothing to do with intelligence. The math alone is a big JOKE, covers the most basic stuff from HS. I don’t know much about English cause it’s my second language and I don’t really get it.
The answer to the thumbnail should be the bottom left set of squares with all squares at the bottom row being shaded in black.
Ya add the first two to get the third one
Anyone else tried solving puzzle on the thumbnail?
Does anyone has answer? 😅It's bugging me. I have a possible answer..
It’s just 3 blocks on the bottom. To find the answer, mentally place the previous two pics on top of each other and that gives the third one.
ACT and SAT you can study for
Someone scoring 1100 on the first go around will never end up scoring a 1500 . No matter how much study is involved .
@@michaelblankenau6598 this is why no one will remember your name
@@nolanfroese9164 You’re probably one of the people that could only muster a 1000 on the SAT . Keep studying .
@@michaelblankenau6598 lame comeback
@@nolanfroese9164 had to tailor it to something you’d be able to understand
Reasoning alone doesn't explain intelligence. SAT is a reasoning test, so what?!
The title begs the question, "who gets to decide what is smart"? IQ tests measure what they measure. The conclusions are up for debate.
I doubt that lex had a perfect score he always speaks very slowly and takes a reasonable amount of time to figure out what the guests are saying I think his IQ might be around 70-85
I got a 128 on the test and felt like I was stupid for years. Changed 2 answers at the last minute hence my (in my view) “bad score”.
Apparently scoring in the top 1-2% is the same as scoring in the bottom 50% according to wise public school teachers.
School teachers and university students average 115, lawyers and scientists average 120, 140 is genius, you are not stupid lol
@@tristunalekzander5608 it’s strange how arbitrary tests can confuse with some kids’ minds!
128 is great. I got 140 and I manage over 400 employees currently. Trust me, 128 is above average. I’m Haitian born in Canada, both parents had little to no formal education when they came as immigrants but by the time they were in their early 20s, we owned two businesses and two houses. My siblings and myself didn’t have educational aid by means of tutoring or the help from our parents to succeed but we still did. Grew up in bad neighbourhood’s after my parents split which to the standard of a typical North American, would have been unbearable but to us was manageable. My mother started her own business.. long story short, regardless of the situation, we all ended up super successful. I, a mechanical engineer and my sisters, a civil engineer and the other an epidemiologists. I believe at the end of the day, it could have been because of genetics but I truly believe it’s because of the immigrant mind set of not expecting people to give you something, but rather understanding that whatever you want in life you have to put the work in to get it. No excuses. Also that you are completely responsible for yourself.
@@Chatillgbt same here...I had a very poor formal education (mother basically homeschooled me) and was raised in a second-gen immigrant family, no parents or grandparents went to college. IQ may be better described as “pattern recognition” - that’s what makes humans more capable than other animals. I learned how to see patterns. Nowadays they call kids with wide attention spans “attention deficit” when in reality they are creative. Disrespectful is a better term...why respect a school system which tries to make us into followers not thinkers? I used to be ashamed for not attending high-end private schools. Now I’m glad, many of my friends came from great schools and they never learned how to think only how to be taught.
Mine is 98 and I can barely manage myself .
The SAT has nothing to do with intelligence, problem solving, or reasoning. It is all about knowledge. It is testing the knowledge from high-school not your intelligence.
what’s he saying it’s essentially the same thing
while it’s just the school knowledge, the strong enough correlation is still there, just because the quality of this knowledge depends mostly on level of the intelligence
You don't need high school knowledge to take the SAT. In some states, they used to administer the SAT to 12 year-olds as part of a talent search program and some scored very highly. If I recall correctly, the SAT is mostly reading and some algebra.
General knowledge and intelligence become highly correlated in an information-dense environment.
Shh. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
"Tests are hardly ever the only criterion to make a decision" LMAO, what BS. People measure what is easy to measure, not what should be measured.
Intelligence reduced to a number
Bowling ability reduced to a number .
The trouble with IQ tests - my father has a High IQ but beat the crap out of me many times teaching me maths. This gave me a learning block even though I am of decent intelligence, dropped out of education, but returned much later as a mature student. Before I was assaulted by my father I was top of the class. There are many reasons people can have learning blocks. People who grow up in poverty or with violence/ abuse might think differently or have different priorities. We have to consider privilege when it comes to the IQ system
I don't see your - tragic - example as a problem with IQ-tests. It just tell's us that whether you are a decent human is a separate question from whether you have a high IQ. Many high IQ individuals have despicable behaviour, but that is not a downside of an IQ-test.
@@alexandersalamander my problem is more to do with the people who are most likely to test, those who have access to being tested and how much weight is put on the results considering those factors
You have to consider IQ when it comes to privilege and poverty. I taught in bottom ranked inner city schools for 4 years with various students. Many of the parents couldn't perform well academicallt themselves. IQ matters.
@@proudatheist2042 so the kids had low IQs because the parents had low IQs, is that what you're saying?
IQ tests don't measure how smart you are, they measure IQ.
Define smart for us then .
It's true! IQ tests such as WISC and Woodcock Johnson measure what you're capable of (reasoning ability), not what you know. ACT/SAT are more geared towards what you've learned/know.
@@lwad3128 true… but there’s a high correlation between the two
IQ means "intelligence quota." You have never worked with anyone with a well below average IQ who couldn't master rudimentary concepts that their average IQ peers mastered as small children.
@@proudatheist2042 IQ means intelligence quotient… not quota
Damn you, Fridman! Tempting us to click with these thumbnail progressive matrices!
How high is Lex`s IQ ? I would guess its something between 130 and 145.
That's probably accurate, most people in STEM holding graduate positions or higher are typically 130+, anything above 140 is pretty damn rare though. People with really high IQ also tend to begin to demonstrate worsening social and organizational skills as IQ increases from that point forward, with the distinction becoming particularly marked after the 150+ range.
I would guess it’s probably higher than that because he is so good at clarifying abstract ideas. He naturally sees things from many different perspectives etc etc. I’d guess it’s 150 or higher.
@@TheMrVogue 140 is not that rare. 1/750 people are 140+. At MIT I would guess that a large portion of people have 140+ IQ scores and many are completely “normal” seeming.
In what scale?
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The Richter scale
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If you can create 40 problems with in 120 minutes, I'll try to solve it in 120 minutes. If you are creating the IQ test within a month and then telling me solve it in 120 minutes.....
I took an IQ test online and I got a 110 I don't think it's accurate...I grew up in a gang infested neighborhood and I'm the first one in my family to not go to prison and to get a diploma...And now I'm a stationary engineer and I get good grades etc...So is common sense a good sign of intelligence ? How about social cues? I have a hard time focusing ,and I'm good at math I just don't have the patience ... #dumbandproud 😂
You're describing things that aren't in the iq test
Online IQ tests are notoriously inaccurate, I've scored from 100-140 on them depending on the test. Raven's matrices I tend to score well on, but that's after practice. I'd suggest taking the mensa practice test on their site, and there's also one from free psych tests (something like that) that's a legit IQ test. If you want the official score, take a mensa test. Also, after taking IQ tests, and doing what I do for a living, I can say they only test you on pattern recognition, they don't really say a whole lot about your ability to think outside the box or cleverness. Yes, higher IQ is probably correlated to creativity and lateral thinking, but it really isn't everything. There's a lot more to competency than raw horsepower. Life is a racetrack, horsepower is great, but if you don't have a way of directing that power into momentum, or you can't steer because the rest of the vehicle's attributes are favored too much in one direction, your lap time is going to be less than optimal. It also entirely depends on the road conditions you find yourself in, but generally speaking a jack of all trades is often better than a master of one.
@@charliejuice3098 excuuuuuse me Mr Kang...I don't understand stuff so I guess you answered my questions..I need to do more book learnin
@@TheMrVogue yeah I figured they were inaccurate ..I'm going to try a real one..And I think they scored me too high
It would be worthwhile to find a trained psychometrician and pay to have a formal IQ test done. It sounds new to me like you may have a higher IQ than your ancestors and the people around you, which became a tremendous asset to you in your life. A high IQ can make it easier for people to plan long term. With IQ tests, different skills are assessed, so people can do well in certain skills and not so well in others.
Who is this guest? He doesn’t sound particularly intelligent. . .
What can he tell us about intelligence ?
Black women are like the smartest humans on earth. I play word games, and every time I have a black lady opponent, I know my goose is cooked. Wonder why ? Upbringing? Genetics? Drive? 💪🌼🌸
Yeah, its called coping
@@binaryviper3221 coping is reactionary to circumstance. Intelligence is totally different
It's true. I once played a Black lady at Scrabble and she bloody destroyed me. Busted out all sorts of words I'd never heard before. 'Mandem'. 'Yeet'. 'Hella'. 'Fam'. 'Deadass'. It was a humbling experience. Sometimes it do be like that.
@@EmilyW.isawakenotwoke I know
@@OngoGablogian185 lol funny bunny