Do smart parents make smart kids? | Richard Haier and Lex Fridman
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People in the comment section should seriously take a statistics course.
1- The fact that there is a correlation between socioeconomic status and intelligence doesn't mean Smart = Rich
It just means that the smarter an individual is, the more CHANCES he have to be rich or to get high in the social hierarchy, it's not deterministic, it's probabilistic.
2- intelligence is one of many factors, saying that intelligence is one of the factors that plays a role in your social economic status doesn't mean that it's the only factor, Richard Haier in here is just acknowledging this factor and focus on it as it's his field of expertise
The best chance of being rich is to become an entrepreneur, which takes more than just intellect. It also requires will power and character.
Right. High socioeconomic status factors in more than just 💰
“Socioeconomic status is an economic and sociological combined total measure of a person's work experience and of an individual's or family's economic access to resources and social position in relation to others.”
Having to explain to the low IQs is so annoying
@@darylfoster7944 just day trade, man. you can make $$ from that. you don't have to be an entrepreneur
@@Dave_of_Mordor most people fail at day trading
Lexs podcast breaks up into clips so well because of how he asks questions. Its legitimately the definition of an interview. He wants information and gets it. Simple.
Exactly.
The difference between lex and other interviewers is that he asks complex, in-depth, technical questions which allows the interviewee to share their knowledge, unlike the other interviewers who ask general questions. Also, lex is so good in creating follow-up questions based on the information given by the interviewee, and he does this quickly.
Even if the kid does not read the books, he/she still interacts with her parents. A lot of knowledge is passed on that way I think.
Ya thinks?
I feel like I learn more from interacting with my Dad than reading economy books lol
A lot of bs also is passed on this way. I think there is a far better alternative, if we take the time to figure one or some out.
Herpes is passed that way as well
@@Bambino_60 I have always suspected that.
My Mom graduated high school and she was sharp, my dad, left school in grade 7 to work underground in the coal mines, 32 years after his death as i lookback,, he was probably the most intelligent person i knew, my mom was sharp enough to see that
My parents are immigrants to the U.S, this made things for us very hard in a multitude of ways. However one thing my father caught on to was how the school system was based on the taxes paid by the owners of the houses. We always lived in basements or lesser housing but we went to the best schools. I personally felt out of place on a social economical level to my peers but we received the same education.
One thing I have noticed is that many people we consider intelligent, have parents who are professors to some capacity.
Dumb parents expose kids to dumb music, unhealthy opinions/world views, other dumb family members with toxic mindset, they don't have any books, they aren't self-critical etc etc. It's hard even for a high IQ kid to succeed in such environment.
a kid with high iq should be able to succeed in such an environment because she/he should be able to problem solve her/his way out of that hell. if not, then maybe that kid doesn't have a high iq in the first place.
What exactly is "dumb music"?
@@monsterhunter445 Whatever is in the radio is nearly guaranteed to be dumb.
@@monsterhunter445 also there is dumb food Lol.
@@monsterhunter445 you ever seen CocoMelon?
Wow man. Never stop doing things like this lex. Thank you and all your interesting guest.
His last sentence gave me chills
We are living in the society portrayed by the movie "Idiocracy". Smart parents have smart kids, but not very many kids. Dumb parents have dumb kids, and in large numbers. Do the math. Idiocracy was not a comedy.
My brother in law was an engineer lived in very expensive area, gave his two daughters everything, they both are dumber than dirt.
And if the parents are very smart, then they often do not have children at all. Many geniuses (if not most) were childless.
@@tyom737 Exactly opposite of how it should be.
Remember when Stephan Molyneux got banned off youtube for saying IQ was genetic?
what about black americans ......who were not ALLOWED to learn.....get fucking real
Yep! It's amazing how it solely depends on who you are that determines what you can say
Stephan Molyneux is a really weird dude
You guys should look into a thing called emotive shading or Russell conjunction. Doesn’t justify thwarting free speech but does put Stephan in a different light
@@kellanshaw6153 So?
while it appears that those who achieve independent wealth do have high intelligence on average, it does not imply that all intelligent tend toward wealth. Many highly intelligent people tend to move away from urban areas even own farms and enjoy learning rather than the attainment of wealth. This is the case for some of the smartest people as well.
I agree many variables involved.
I haven't heard of that at all, where have you heard about this?
I suppose it isn't the sort of thing that would make it into the media, since the whole idea is that they aren't accomplishing anything out there.
@@sean_haz Being brilliant, doesn’t necessarily imply that they prioritize, or desire materialistic procurement, above all other matters. Success is personal. If you prefer a quaint, quiet, simple lifestyle, and achieve it, that’s success, no less, than being a lavishly wealthy, baller.
@@WizardClipAudio I don't disagree, there are other metrics for success which doesn't take into account material possessions. Such as number of papers published, winning a nobel prize or personal satisfaction as you say.
The commenter was quite specific about what a lot of the "smartest people" were doing, I just wanted to know whether he was basing this on any data/studies.
Tesla died as a broken man. This study is not taking into consideration many variables. I call it bs.
EDIT: Trumps is rich. Is he intelligent? I doubt it.
Oldest kid is the boss of the younger siblings and learns about responsibility and other good traits sooner
teachable moment and key developments can be reinforced; and are more likely to happen in first born children due to the significance of the experience in new parenting as well. This is not always the case of course. Second and third born will have more interaction with brothers and sister's that do not present the adult perspective and wisdom.
Identical twins raised together and apart show remarkable similarities not just in personality but in IQ scores. Add that IQs are consistent over a lifetime ..and a long list of other things.. I *don't think it can be argued that the variations in intelligence are not, at least in part, genetic. The evidence is pretty overwhelming.
In my 5 second google research this is what popped up “A study has revealed that a pair of identical twins, who were raised separately from each other in different parts of the world, have a massive difference in IQ levels.”
@@imurpapa8120 share the study with us
@@imurpapa8120 Maybe it was due to Twin-to-Twin Transfusion Syndrome
Intelligence is overwhelmingly genetic.
Also there are various forms of intelligence as well. Verbal, spatial etc.
My father was a genius. He was a physician that specialized in in pulmonary diseases ( ironically including respiratory airborne diseases) . He spoke seven languages fluently. He was brilliant in history, politics, literature, and geography; In essence a true “ Renaissance Man”. I grew up with thousands of books. We had many bookshelves in every room in our large home. What that did was instill a curiosity and love for continuous learning. It is not your IQ that matters ( unless we are speaking of a large deficit) it is the curiosity of the world around us that matters. To this day I am always reading three different books at a time in various subjects.
IQ and a sense of curiosity matters. You admitted that your father was a genius, which, where I am, means a genius level IQ.
He was a genius in the sense of knowledge obtained ( read above statement). I don’t know his IQ and he always said that doesn’t matter. IQ test is very outdated. There are at least 11 other types of intelligence . It matters much more what you do with your intelligence than how fast you can learn something. My father use to tell his Latin students that the brain is a muscle that can be worked the same way on might lift weights to build muscles.
IQ still matters a lot. it is not that outdated. the higher the IQ the better and faster you understand what you read. you obviously grew up in a bubble if smart people. live very close with really low IQ people for a long time (like at least a month) and then think again about your assumptions..
No, your example shows that it's your IQ, which is shown to be very heritable, is what really matters. Curiosity means you are getting joy from learning something new. Learning requires connecting what you already know to a novel knowledge, which is one of the core skills that IQ measures. IQ also measures your ability to interpret new knowledge and put that into your own words, as well as grasping abstract knowledges in your mind.
One of the 5 major measure of personality, openness to experience, seems to have quite significant correlation with giftedness. We know that personality traits are quite genetic, so chances are you inherited your father's IQ and his openness to experience.
I grew up with no television. I read books.. for hours every day, from very young. My friends mother was a psychologist, and asked me to do an iq test.. I was 8.. my iq was 137... She retested me twice because she couldn't believe it . My son has iq ranging from 130-150 in different areas. I asked to have every iq test available to be used so that there would be an accurate result (thousands of dollars.. but worth it). Now I know how to help him to flourish and be the best he can be.. my view on children, what you put in, is what you get out.. to give them the hunger for knowledge, you have to put work in. 🥰😇
@fitaddiction 369 I'm not sure.. it was a loooong time ago . My son did conners-3 assessment, Wechsler intelligence scale for children- fifth edition (WISC-IV) and ancillary index scores..
@fitaddiction 369 (as well as 3 tests for autism 🙃)
@fitaddiction 369 I think it goes up to 155 or 165.. I'll check in a sec . And yeah, 150 was impressive . The psychologist was so excited giving me the results, she was literally on the edge of her chair😂.. he was reading by 3, self taught.. possibly earlier, but he didn't let on. By prep, he was reading at university level. He became a bit of a spectacle. I home school him now.. they just couldn't educate him to satisfy his hunger 💋
@fitaddiction 369 oh gosh.. just going through his report . It's complicated.. 40 pages in total.. I would be writing an essay to get accuracy for the scoring.. but from what I can tell, it has a top level of 160... There is a percentile rank that scores to the 99.99th percentile . Is that maybe what you were thinking?
@fitaddiction 369 there's quantative reasoning index (45-155) auditory working memory index (45-155) and remaining ancillary index scores (he was tested on 11) range 40-160... Oh .. ancillary index scores are on a metric standard with a mean of 100 and an SD of 15.. whatever that means.. it's very comprehensive 😳🙏🕊️ He scored (VCI=150,PR=>99.9,CI=154) 🤷
Certain cultures find intelligence more attractive than other attributes and thus selectively breed for that.
Definitely a variable but not complete.
The best explanation of the eldest child being the most intelligent is that the intelligence trends toward the average level of knowledge and intelligence of the people that the infant-child-young adult interacts with. The oldest grandchild often has 4 grandparents and 2 parents talking to them and interacting with them: a very stimulating and info-rich environment.
The 4th child may have fewer grandparents, plus the 2 parents, all of whose attention is divided among 4 children, PLUS the 4th child is talking with 3 older brothers/sisters, which brings that average level of intelligence down a bit, and the level of knowledge down a lot.. notwithstanding that they may be getting better at interacting with peers than the oldest, who has had more practice interacting with those adults and older people.
Your theory has absolutely 0 basis in reality. People with lower IQ's have much more kids than people with higher IQ's in today's society, and if your theory was correct, then the lower IQ families would breed children that would have their IQ's increase significantly with so many siblings.
Correlation vs causation. It means the data shows that people with X variable tend to have/be more of Y variable based on the data, just as Y tends to have/be more of X variable, but it doesn't necessarily mean X causes Y or Y causes X. It just means the data shows a pattern between the two. A tendency.
The thing is they can’t show a causality though. They can only see patterns, etc
It's all about starting early with your children, shaping their minds at a young age as early as three years old... their neural pathways circuits in the brain are still developing and making connections... Read to them, tutor them in math, science, and history... engage in conversation with them at the dinner table Never stop challenging them... don't waste their time playing video games or watching TV.…….
Get them while they young you only have one window of opportunity
The parents you are talking to most likely never finished their high school education and are repopulating like rabbits. I doubt they have any urge to do the things you've described.
@fitaddiction 369 Whose fault is that? People can get educated for free in this country all the way to high school, it's the choices they make throughout that paint their path.
Some video games and shows can help too though.
Opportunity and support, I would surmise, is much more important for a person's success.
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The number one predictor of success is an iq test. A real test, not some bs on the web.
I think that smart and intelligent are a bit different things. Knowledge does not make one intelligent. Wise is closer word to my understanding. Intelligence is how One reacts to everything arround…
You look a bit tired Lex, take a break, we'll be here when you return.
Good thing I own 100’s of books. Hard to move but I love them! We have 4 large bookcases and we constantly discuss complex ideas ❤️ my son is 11 and we have been doing this for years
How did you find a smart wife?
I struggle to meet a single woman who tickles my brain.
It’s sad that my mother always read possibly thousands of books and never sat me down to read or share her knowledge with me. It’s all based on the parents involvement.
You can read thousands of books now.
Maybe reading is something you can inherit to your children if you have any.. I always say I will do for my children what my parents couldn’t or didn’t do for me. Bless up brother
To be fair, she doesn’t have to sit you down and read it to you directly for that information to be passed on to you. All the knowledge/critical thinking she’s gained from those books will affect how she goes about raising you, from giving you a certain amount of time to do this/that, to disciplining you using a moral compass that’s been refined from all the information she’s taken in.
Not really. Your adult intelligence is as genetic as your height.
Hey, at what timestamp of the full podcast does this clip end?
Smartest people in the world are the ones who realize how little they know.
Knowledge and intelligence are not the same thing. .
I really hate the ever increasing popularity of reductionist mentality. The smartest people in the world and they are not humble as a rule; a great many of the smartest people I've met are borderline if not full blown arrogant.
My uncle came from imagrant parents that had low income housing house ;whom all they had to give was their love especially from my grandmother -his mother. Genes is sometimes is beneficial,but seems to me that environments is what has a higher advantage of producing smart kids.
Love is everything Jose! No use having money and no love 🤗🕊🥰
I’m dumb. My ex is dumb. Our kid is smart.
How smart is the milkman?
🤣🤣🤣
I think laziness is hard to factor,.. Im sure there are brilliant people doing almost nothing with their lives.
l dont even think laziness is the right word. there arent alot of outlets for true genius in our current culture. i wonder who Colombus or Da Vinci or Lincoln would be in todays world.
Lex what did you score on the math section of the SAT? I’d bet it was a perfect score.
Who doesn’t, lol. Most of my engineer friends did.
Not sure if this is a jokey comment but in this very episode Lex said he took the SAT multiple times and always got perfect in math and then got really nervous in writing, forgetting what he just read for the question he needed to answer, like how you read a page in a novel and then realize you didn't pay any attention to what you just read.
First born is the one they make all the mistakes on!
Genetic component is the determining factor.
Wow, if consciousness and intelligence are related, that has some implications for the limits of AI, depending if the nature of consciousness. If consciousness is something spiritual instead of material, then it may be impossible for a completely material AI to be as smart as humans. Consciousness may be a link to computation done in a completely different dimension.
This is the exact thought I've had for years. Consciousness is linked to some other dimension, and because of that, it's impossible for a machine to ever truly be self aware, because self awareness isn't real at all, we're consciousnesses that come into this universe and acknowledge our bodies and environment, but we have mistaken those as the real "us". Idk just high thoughts
This is a good discussion. I would critique the implied use of wealth as a metric of intelligence. Intelligence can certainly help make you wealthy but there are external factors that skew that greatly. For example, growing up in poverty contributes to lower intelligence due to malnutrition, lead in water, lead paint...
I don't mean to discount everything he says and he probably has a more nuanced perspective than was illustrated in that statement.
I am glad this is being discussed. We should not be burring research like this. We need to lean into it. We need to learn more. It's the only way we can make things better.
So, are smarter people actually more conscience? Is that the implication of saying that intelligence is related to conscientiousness ?
I think so. I’m no expert, but I’ve often come to this conclusion when pondering the idea. (At least in Earth mammals)
I also think it’s wise to flip the phrase you just conducted and say more conscious people are more intelligent.
No. It's just how this guy thinks intelligence presents itself. He's a test guy. Real intelligence is far more complex than we can actually estimate. As JP said, Conscientiousness is a high predictor of economic success. But flip that script around, if that person can't hold a stable relationship, or have meaningful relationships of any kind with anyone, are they really all that "intelligent?" It's all just different types of intelligence.
Life is a book,
We are it's pages.
Why does it seem that the conclusion is always "wealth" is the ultimate goal for intelligent people? With wealth I guess you are allowed more freedom to do what you want but when does the quest for it have diminishing returns on your life.
Their is a fine line between being well off and wealthy and I think the minute you start to chase wealthiness you screwed up because you already had what you need to live comfortably but greed makes you work more and more until you are putting it above the welfare and happiness of the closest people to you . That’s when you lose yourself
@@joeyp373 right but it seem as all these financial gurus are trying to convince people that wealth will somehow solve all of their problems, or societies problems for that matter. It is not the answer.
@@christianamerican473 people spend their whole lives thinking If they had more money they would be more happy just unlocks more stress more things to manage and worry about
@@joeyp373 maybe in certain circumstances that is true. But in order for that make any sense you would have to have a cohesive society in the first place. Having money in fked up society isn't gonna mean anything. Some things money can't buy. People should be focusing on other things instead of wealth. You will never get the elites approval anyway. So if you want to be a rich peasant keep playing their game.
@@christianamerican473 that’s circumstancial at best because everyone has different characteristics and with wealth could give it away to people in need kind of like that guy this week that got on the goodwill speakerphone and told everyone he will buy them whatever they want . I’d say a good wealthy person will use it for good stuff like tht example a bad person due to their characteristics will hoard all their wealth
Oxytocin plays a large role in brain development and increased intelligence. Oxytocin is generated in the brain outside of the womb primarily by physical contact, and for a baby, this equates to affection. Love your baby, it will make them smart. Breastfeeding helps, too, if you can.
Basically we don't yet know.
i often wonder about these things because i grew up with no one else around but my father and he grew up during the Great Depression and WWII, he wasn't part of the great generation but he wasn't a baby boomer either he was part of that little silent generation in between. but because of the time and place he grew up he dropped out of school in the 8th grade and worked for a living, a few years later he lied about his age and served in the Korean war. as i was growing up in the 70s and 80s my father was very ill and we were always extremely poor and lived in terrible neighborhoods and i went to awful schools but my father was very intelligent and was fascinated with history. if you talk about the environment i grew up in we had no books at all, we really had nothing around the house and i was always put in LD classes at school where i had zero interest in leaning school things, but the older i get the more and more interested i become in so many of the same things my father was interested in, and i love my book shelves i purchase lots of books o various topics, but honestly i never really read them as i am totally working class and never have to time or energy. and i think of myself as i believe many people think of themselves as being rather intelligent, but i am also completely lacking ambition and thus my life is rather unfulfilling as i just constantly struggle to stay afloat and still spend most of my free time in rather child like daydreams of what i would be doing if i had the financial security to be free of the mundane enslavement of worrying about covering the bills. and even socially i never really find my place, as generally people of my own social class never i never find interesting, and people of higher social classes whom i may find interesting i also find uninteresting in that they seem to have some sort of sheltered false view of reality or maybe its no street sense or something, but whatever it is it turns me off as well.
That’s funny brother, I also have many books I don’t read 😂🤣🤣
But in all reality. I fully understand where you are coming from. I lived in a lower class family, and my sister was always very intelligent. I took after her but I never had the exact ambition she had. She made it out for a while. What I see is that we are smart enough to acknowledge we are in a bad situation but exactly WHAT to do and how to get it done sometimes seems very fuzzy. With that being said, I also lack ambition. Whether it be laziness or lack of know-how, This is where we have a crossroads. We have become stuck in a cycle of working for another person. We have completely neglected ourselves to serve a purpose that will not serve us as long as we stay a pawn in this system.. hear me out It might sound a bit crazy but by “system” I mean this way that the US. Govt is set up, ie Capitalism. There is no room for expression of self (art) unless you are financially stable. What I have found is to implement things I love to do creatively, into my capitalistic ventures toward a better life. For example, I love art and painting, drawing, amongs other things. After crashing my car a few times and not having the money to have it painted professionally, I fixed and painted it myself. Over the years I became proficient at painting cars and now I am trying to establish myself as a business owner. Before I took this leap I was a cook for 6 years working in a cycle for someone I didn’t even know. It takes a risk but you really have to find something you like to do and make money from it. This all came from those childish dreams you talk about. All it takes is a bit of investing into reality. Buy things that can make you a profit. Tools, compressors, etc. anything that you can offer to anyone is a commodity. My point here brother is that sometimes you have to take a leap from being a worker, to being a boss. It takes risks and I’ve only barely taken that leap but this is coming from someone who identifies with everything you just said. I quit my job as soon as I had a solidified idea of what I wanted to do. As soon as I had my little compressor and my paint gun, I quit my job and chased after it. Looking back I should have kept a few night shifts! Lol. But seriously man stop investing money in entertainment, and focus on how to make an extra buck. I promise you will feel more fulfilled. I think you are settling for a life that people with no options have. But you, and me, we have options bro. Find them, make them. “Just DO IT.” Best advice I can give you. Sorry for the scatter brain paragraph it’s hard to elaborate these types of things that come from within
Basically it’s the power of will. You can not explain will.. it’s literally “to do, or not to do..” but also, it’s “what the f*ck am I supposed to do?” 😂🤣 some people never figure out their purpose. Some people make their own
The kinds of books are also a variable.
There are so few smart parents, it’s impossible to know!
i feel like Dr. Haier doesn't really like the facts that he nonetheless acknowledges. most people who i know with high intelligence usually have been that way their whole life and it doesn't really change a lot. granted if you don't have stability you won't do all that well relative to ur potential. life kinda sux and ur stuck with what u got. neway i appreciate Dr. Haier's careful approach to a sensitive subject.
intelligence can be expressed in several different ways so which type of intelligence is used as the benchmark ? is it the ability to process information and make that work for you , is it how successful you are as measured by monetary gain, is it measured by ones ability to adapt and survive in an adverse environment? you are either intelligent or you are not and attempting to define intelligence from certain narrow perspectives usually leads down dark roads of social Darwinism and ugly stuff like that.
From an Article "Neurodiversity" with Nathan Willis
Creativity is really the best advantage of neurodiversity. Any innovation, any invention that’s going to advance society, comes from a creative brain. The type of brain that does best at school is an accountant-type brain - very logical but not necessarily creative. Those types of brains can excel at STEM subjects (Science, Technology, Engineering and Maths) because they’re good at retaining and regurgitating information. But neurodiverse brains don’t tend to be stimulated by that sort of process - they tend to be more wired for creative, out-of-the-box thinking. Albert Einstein partly attributed his own genius to his playing the violin; he figured that other mathematicians looked at maths from a fixed perspective, whereas he approached the subject with an artist’s brain.
Yo whats up lex!
I hope they brought up that when one is studying consciousness, one is studying consciousness with consciousness and that when studying the Big Bang, we are directing our consciousness towards data and theories regarding extant physical matter.
Clearly, the fundamental differences in those studies give rise to the discrepancy in the apparent success of those ventures.
This topic is so poisoned by woke political correctness. *Of course*, smart parents make smart kids. No need to beat around the bush with "more stimulating environments" etc.. Fluid core intelligence is stable, and largely genetic. Period.
The interview was difficult to watch, they had to dance around the topic of race and both looked uncomfortable the whole time .. If you cannot discuss IQ honestly he may as well stick to other topics
Smart, athletic... Ya I'd say the evidence is out there. Also, not only will the children share genes but the odds are also good they will get the benefit of that nurture (grow up in academics, locker-rooms, etc).
Nothing is absolute and anything can be overcome, or blown but as a general heuristic, I'd bet it more times than not.
Edit: realize I basically said what he does but ya, I would extract and apply it more generically.
My parents were not particularly intelligent or even curious (no judgement), but my grandparents were very intelligent people.
Best designs the most 👌 simplest.
Sorry, I didn't understand. Is he saying that there is a correlation between intelligence and someone's parents?
The baby of the family is more often smarter because their older siblings teach them things. Starting with humility and how to wield soft power.
stroking egos are we?
My wife and I together have 6 siblings and our youngest siblings are the smartest by a longshot.
and so, the dalai lama said "there will be no money today, however on your death bed you will have total conscientiousness" so I got that going for me -which is pretty good ahe
YESSS!
are you sure??? hmm
The Dalai Llama is a child predator.
Do you think the adopt child of Angelina Jolie cold be the same if she grow in Ethiopia?? It the 7 years to grow are human 7 years
short answer: yes
long answer: yesssssssss
Smart parents can have dumb kids and vice versa regardless of the environmental or economical status.
the choice isnt a dichotomy (nature, nurture). Everybody learns their from...well... their mom. or whoever talks to them as little kids. and attitudes, personality, conscienciousness get learned that way too...to a great extent. national/ethnic culture's like that.
=> there's a very small group of who actually home-school their small children.....usually giving those lucky kids a GREAT ADVANTAGE in later life....
but I dont see where it's been much studied or tabulated....
=> people ASSUME that education is a function of SCHOOLs...when actually MOST of what modern people learn DIDNT come from formal school education, which is mostly a big WASTE of TIME and MONEY.....nope ...they learned it ON THEIR OWN from everyday life..... and much MORESO now in the age of internet...
Why carry on about intelligence? Leave kids to be happy, doing what they want, not being persuaded or pushed by parents. Parents who push will find that the children end up working at the same level as those who have played sports, have friends, enjoy their childhood.
The smarter the parents, the more money they will make, causing better food and nutrition, causing smarter kids
Intelligent parents provide an "intelligent" environment where their children can exercise their intelligence to the full. The intelligent environment means more books which are stimulation to the intellect of the child so the child grows up being exposed to ideas. Very important is the kind of conversations the child has with their parents. Obviously intelligent parents provide intelligent answers and ideas to their children besides provoking them to use their intellect. Parents who are discussing all the time can sometimes confuse the child but on the whole, the child gets to hear and express their thoughts intelligently. Yet I have seen intelligent parents with very very mediocre kids. Probably these kids had some form of problems during birthing.
If Intelligence was inherited to a large extent, why(in the UK at least), is out of school Tutoring, one of the fastest growing industries?
Socio-Economic status is based on Class and Cultural issues and to a lesser extent, intelligence.
Yes, in this country, you can buy or coerse ones future success!
Financially successful people are in ALL cases, incredibly driven, competitive, ambitious individuals. Intelligence levels vary greatly.
That's not to say, that we have a greater percentage of intelligent people in the Middle and Upper Class population, of cause we do. But we overstate the influence of intelligence on these outcomes.
Not to mention, the fact, that we have a counter productive way in which we measure intelligence educationally.
I think genetics and environment always go hand in hand. Anyone who tries to make the other superior is wrong
Wealth is not a measure genetics . Wisdom is never popular and any ideas that are popular are unwise and untrue
There's more people that are smart and broke than smart and rich. Rich is more close correlated to having no empathy or morals and being more narcissistic not necessarily smart. There's lots of dumbys that stay rich just because the parents were rich a lot of them end up loosing the wealth
Your comment is nonsense. It's the typical "evil businessman" thought process that pervades society. Rich people are rich because they either invested their money wisely, or started a business and were successful at providing consumers with what they wanted.
@@darylfoster7944 no. That's the narrative the media tells to keep hope and dreams alive. Most rich people did so at the expense of others. You think wal mart or amazon did not do ruthless things to become what they are today? How many Americans were put out of business? How many native Americans were killed to create this country? How many lands were stolen? Wealth is generated most of the time at the expense of others or the exploitation. You're living in fantasy land if you think otherwise. Less than 20% of the rich are created How you mentioned
@@dd032894 you really need to read some basic economics. Your statement is so far from reality. You have the exploited, little man mentality that is based on envy. The overwhelming majority of wealthy people are self made, and they didn't do it by abusing others.
@@darylfoster7944 you need to get off the kool aid and step back to reality. You clearly have never had any wealth. At the top its all killers, not rainbows and roses. You're naive, gullible, and dubmbmmm af
Are the smart and poor the so called sigmas
Separated twin studies seem to suggest that genetics is much stronger than common upbringing. Separated twins not growing up together get more similar in all sorts of metrics including iq when they get older. This suggests that parenting can provide temporary advantages and disadvantages, but in the end you are doomed or blessed by you genes, the more the older you get. This is a very devastating result for a parent, because it means you can do only so much, actually so little for your children. But just because results are unpleasant does not mean they are wrong. Darwinism is unpleasant. It assumes we are formed and made what we are by selection, i.e. a negative force extinguishing individuals very painful and actually fatal, rather than a positive force which changes us for the better. Nevertheless, there seems to be some truth in Darwinism. Unfit solutions are weeded out rather than improved in situ. Truth may not be what you want to hear, and what you'd wish for may not be the truth. I share you Weltschmerz, the existential pain
Most of mothers dha( omega 3) is passed on to first born.
The # of books is an outdated correlation measurement stick. But one with a lot of books is still going to be associated with being in the upper portion of intelligence, sure. But correlation does equal causation. In our digital age, you don't want to use the bookcase as the measuring tool for young people especially.
Our Valedictorian in high school -- super smart, ended up going to Michigan, and still smart, ended up low middle class, doing what he loved. He was super religious, realized fundamentalism was a sham and that affected him. Plenty of people make good $ thru social connections, but yes, the smarter people with Drive and lack of weight bearing down on them (like having kids really young in life as one example) -- are going to more likely get there.
But making good $ isn't dictated by intelligence. Being SUPER smart makes that an easier pathway, of course. And of course, people past middle aged but not set in retirement age are going to be less smart than they were at 25. And as some studies have shown, your peak intelligence is in your earlier 20s, not your later 20s even. But why do we feel/sense someone at 28 is smarter than someone of the same demographic at 24? Because being "smart" isn't all about raw horsepower intelligence. Raw horsepower intelligence plays less of a role of "being smart" than we'd want to believe.
As a first child, I can definitely confirm that we're the most smartest.
I think that the genetic factor must be due to metabolism or different ways of body managing nutrition or something around that ball park, as it wouldn't make sense for the nureons to be different as it would just make a magnitude of difference or bain size (cus tall ppl do have bigger skulls). So metabolism does make sense and the verience of diet quality could also explain why developing countries have lower iq compared to devloped nations (i am no expert in biology or anything else in that ballpark but just thinking through the possibilities i think of this as the more rational one)
Heritability measures the variance of a trait given a similar environment. Adverse factors like malnutrition, severe childhood trauma or lead exposure severely impacts one's intelligence, but in first-world nations the vast majority of the population do not face these odds.
Also, brain size and intelligence are correlated. Interestingly, height seems to have small correlation with intelligence as well, so you are actually quite right.
@@jaeminko4286 thank you for the explanation, i am surprised that brain size and height are related to intelligence... not to be sexist or misogynistic, but wouldn't that make women have an disadvantage over males (as women are shorter), how strong is the correlation with height? sorry for the overbearing question, but i am genuinely curios and searching up difference between male and female intelligence in the internet wouldn't give ideal results to say the least.
Incidentally, nobody can figure out the first nanoseconds of the big bang. That is simply big talk.
I think first we need to define intelligent
he did earlier in the podcast
If I'm not mistaken the man with the highest measured iq was a bouncer at a bar. So iq and money don't necessarily go together.
what is being smart ?
Sperm and egg quality diminishes as we age. So a young breeding pair are more likely to have children who are more healthy physically and mentally.
Is jesus smart?
He didn't create sh*t. He just trolled around doing the sh*t he liked. And yes, he's the🐐
I have 5 older siblings. My SAT was much higher than the first born, although she did well. My folks were much better off with me though.
A bunch of I am not sure
But some of your genetics (not the DNA itself; although that is technically still being looked into) is also modified by your environment growing up at a young age tho, too.
Mensa members tried this for years and years. Women would pick men with high IQ to have babies with. In many cases, the children ended up with above average to average IQ. They rarely got above the magical 135 mark, even though both parents were above that.
We simply do not know what creates it. IQ does appear to be heritable in the population, but the mensa result suggests that it can't be primarily genetic.
That is called regression to the mean. Same happens for example with height.
@@Ideenschmiede that doesn't apply here, because the mean IQ of the sample set ( the parents ) is far higher than the mean IQ of the resultant. Which, strictly speaking, implies there is not a correlation of any significance, or that the experiment was incorrectly conducted.
Given we know the claim ( genetic inheritance of IQ is strong ) and we know that the women were very careful, that seems to rule out the second option.
@@timothyblazer1749 pretty sure the mean is refering to the mean of the whole population, not of the two parents. That means in the end, the IQ of the child will be most of the time between the average one of all people and that of the parents (genetic influence). That explains why outlyers are rare in nature
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i dont think you understand regression towards the mean....
That's highly unlikely. IQ is distributed in a bell curve, so parents with 135 IQ are most likely to have kids with 135 IQ.
I have no books, heh, guess I'm as dumb as they get.
Being smart is genetics.
Being tall is genetics.
Being overweight is genetics.
Yes not always 100%, but more often than not this is true.
So.. no? Yes?
So essentially your IQ is random (as of now) and determines your potential intelligence, that is either hindered or helped by the environment you expand your intelligence in. Your parents represent one environment (Largest influence of all?). Their level of success determines the impact the environment they provide will have on the child’s Intelligence but not base IQ. So by just focusing on being successful at your peak potential is really all that matters, regardless of a lower peak potential intelligence. That’s the only part that seems to be a controlled.
Yeah we have to make avg human smart with techonlogy somethings on the brain but since birth or before that so we have smart humans yeap if we dont want to go exitnct
Wrong what about rapper kids and lottery winner people you don’t get rich because your smart
I don’t know ….. I’m watching a lot of “ smart” people acting like stupid people… I think it may have been a scam all along …. 😂 lol
Anyone interested to look up the jolly heretic professor Edward Dutton very funny professor who explains these things in depth on CZcams
I call bull what he saying. It's comes down more to problem solving skills, and how fast you can come up with idea with limit what you have to work with. Having more book don't mean you can solve a problem faster then one with out books.
The book thing is a measured statistical average which reflects education, career choice, social status as well as IQ, but the trend is there. It is not a law but a trend.
I find this disourse interesting and lacking. Why do we have to caterogize and predict children by genetics and environment. Aren't they an entity to themselves and have no influence on these factors but buy what we put on them. Be kind to your children. Let them be who they are, not who you want them to be.. Be a parent and guide them. Be and example of how you hope they will reflect goodness. Your kids IQ and your bottom line, in the end really don't matter.
he is only in part correct, since his theory doesn't include competition and social damage. and being only in part correct, he is wrong in general case
Richard lewontins lecture.... biology as ideology.
If people were forced to take IQ tests and always present their results, nobody would have the audacity to deny the reality of racial hierarchy.
As consider myself a smarter then most human.
My daughter at a young age is very smart and very intuitive. It's very surprising to me most times.
Why did u believe that? Is there's any avidence?
Do you guys know how to write English
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This is a lagging indicator.
Yes and no, as we said , dna works with probability and environment.