*Ok. Bought 2. Arrived on Aug 31. Today is, exactly 2 weeks, Sept 14, and they are BOTH flashing that they are about to die.* *_336 hours! TWO MAGNITUDES LESS IN TIME, THAN 30,000 HOURS!_* _So, I got two FREE red dots._ *Because I don't play that, and my bank DOES NOT EITHER. I will be having my charge reversed. And they can feel the sting of losing $900 for lying.* If enough of you do this, they will change their lies on the packaging.
@@m4rvinmartian you can edit the comment but anyways. Thanks for the data. I made my own comment about how if you put this optic on a strictly duty only gun, and only had it on while on duty and off while off duty it might be okay, but ehhhhh. There are better options.
Brother. Your bank will require you to return the product for a charge back to stay charged back... either that or you do this enough that they're trying to build a larger case on you. They aren't pressing charges for wire fraud until you hit over 1k. Be careful.
Get one dude, they are top teir optics, dont buy chinese communist holosuns, your just supporting the enemy. My steiner mps works great, everything this guy has said is false. He prolly got a lemon or a fake.
I've had mine for 9 months and I've left it on level 6, and its still super bright. i really like it so far, and i do have the auto shut-off activated. to each their own i guess.
Well god dammit I was just about to get a MPS cuz my astigmatism eyes can see the dot in this crispier than almost any dot I've tried. Good work sir, this video deserves some shares!
The battery life is definitely DOGSHIT. But for a duty gun, I think it's *mostly* a non-issue (other than spending a shit ton of money on batteries.) Saw your reply to the other guy saying you asked "professionals" about it and they said "no it should always be on at all times", and if it's a gun you're counting to be ready to go at all times then sure. BUT. In the case of being a strictly "duty gun", as in "ON DUTY" gun, you could/would turn it on before going on duty, and turning it off when off duty. I agree on false advertising and bullshit battery life to the point of being a joke of an option, but I think for the case of being only for a gun that you will use when you put on a belt, it actually is one of the few (like 2) closed emitter optics that have a good reputation for not having retarded qc. Trijicon's RCR is new and we're still awaiting if it has any problems, but the other promising options have all had problems/bad qc. Great video and thanks for the info, but I think it lacks just the one perspective/consideration I said above.
I got a used one for $315, it came to me blinking- definitely a problem, not getting anymore, but will keep the used one - in almost perfect condition.
*Hey, I bought one after watching your video. Testing now. Can let you know the results.* _Btw, how do you mount this to things? Absolutely 0 of my guns fit it._
@@maximusjoseppi5904 Know what I love about a "Standard mount"?? When there is more than 1 version! Can you believe there are two sizes of Acro dovetail?? OMG That's so annoying. I did finally find, C+H Precision, and they make the correct Acro for most pistols. They are FKN EXPENSIVE! I am pretty sure they priced the plates based on 10% of the cost of the gun it goes on. $60 for [B]lock, $150 for Walther Q5! But damn those were made on a VERY NICE CNC machine. I thought my [B]lock plate wasn't going to fit, but it was just that it was machined to ONE THOU! I literally had to put it on dead flat, otherwise it wouldn't slide in. VERY IMPRESSIVE! *And looks stupid as fk on a [B]lock. LOL* At least they are both boxy and ugly. They were made for each other.
really? because ive never had a problem shooting in the rain with an open emitter. if its raining hard enough to cause an issue with an open emitter, youre going to have issues with any optic and seeing in general.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 I think, overall 509T is the way to go period. I have avfew Acro P2’s as well and haven’t really been impressed. 509T, for me just offers more. Money not being an object…strictly based on my personal preference(likevthe green dot better) and experience with all those enclosed emitter optics.
*7:55** Here's something most people don't know (not saying you).* *2016, 2032, 1632, those are PHYSICAL dimensions of those button cells.* first two, diameter in mm, last two, height in decimal mm. So, 20mm by 1.6mm, 20mm by 3.2mm, and 16mm by 3.2mm _That said, 4mm is a lot, I don't think it would have fit: securely, snugly, waterproof, at 2032. JMHEO_
i did not know that actually. theres plenty of room for a 4mm larger diameter, thats only 2mm on each side. In the end, every other optic company has figured out how to get sufficient battery life in their self defense optics so there's no excuse
*I have a dozen Chinesium red dots, never change batteries.* I believe they are in violation of: _The implied warranty of merchantability is a merchant's basic promise that the goods sold will do what they are supposed to do and that there is nothing significantly wrong with them. In other words, it is an implied promise that the goods are fit to be sold._
I don’t like buying things from China but how does Holosun knock it out of the park every time with more options than Aimpoint Trijicon and Steiner like shake awake and solar mind blowing!🧠🤯🔫
Thats pretty sad but it looks really freaking sweet and looks like you'll be buying batteries in bulk luck for you the top can screw off just make sure you put i tiny bit of oil on threads so they stay good go on off easy becouse you are going to have to put a lot of batteries in and out .
For someone's like me who shoots a couple days a week at my house i dont think it will be an issue and can get those batteries for like 50 cents but yeah if it was for duty or military its not acceptable and they must fix the battery
why would you voluntarily buy a worse optic thats less reliable and costs more? haha. regardless if its poor design is a problem for you personally... there are far better optics for half the cost.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 well thats what i was saying it will be reliable for me if I'm just turing it on once a week shooting for an hr and turning it off infact I bet it last me a long time before I have to change battery but will let you know i got the fde one it does look sick on my ddm4v7 exclusive with that mil spec plus color
@@maximusjoseppi5904 even though the battery won't be an issue for me even if it was there are other reasons to chose this one like it is one of the only enclosed red dot that actually keeps water and dust out if you research them most of them seem to fail this one seems to be one of the more rugged ones idk but just because you had an issue with yours doesn't mean others wont have a better experience : )
uhmmmm even if you had it at it's lowest setting, 1 month is still only about 730 hours. sooo... "UP TO" 1300 hours? Is that if you have it turned off for 90% of those 1300 hours?
I would say that you must have gotten a dud and bad information on top of it. I am on my 2nd battery right now on my MPS and I have had it in constant on mode on next to the highest setting and I got a year out of both of mine. When I changed them the dot still wasn’t blinking either.
i got the information from steiner themselves, so its not bad information and the MPS as a whole is a dud. you do not have the optic on the settings you are claiming or you are lying about the time frame.
*No, you didn't, or you are forgetting or leaving out an aspect.* I'm a guntuber also, and I bought 2 after I watched this video and exactly two weeks later, BOTH are flashing, so that's 3 and destroys your hypothesis. _Thanks for playing._
@@m4rvinmartian it’s really simple. I put in a Duracell battery and set it on the next to the highest setting…then I set my alarm on my phone for 12 months later to change the battery. When I did the dot was still working. Carried it probably about 75-100 days each year and probably only changed the setting 4 or 5 times for an extremely short period of time when a friend was shooting it that may have had different preferences than me. I don’t forget things and I’m leaving nothing out. I have no reason to lie or mislead. The MPS is the only Steiner product that I own and I don’t plan on buying another one and I don’t care if anyone else does either. I was just sharing my experiences
@@wessowell6616 dude, youre not correct and you are misleading people with your comments. steiner themselves says youre wrong as does multiple people's personal experiences in your comment thread. stop spreading misinformation on a potentially dangerous product that could get someone killed if they trusted it to save them and it didnt work. it belongs be recalled.
huh? no they dont haha. i showed an optic in this video that has been on for years. i have 3 or 4 optics with 2-3 years run time right now. theres no reason to buy the steiner over its competition that just does everything better, tougher, and cheaper. return it if you can... youll be even happier with pretty much ANYTHING else
Those advertised battery lifes are not to trust in regards to any optic. Significant amounts of newer optics claim "50,000 hours" but only last a fraction of that. They are all that way. Batteries are cheap or turn it off when not in use.
what? haha.... thats the point of a red dot... to be on all the time. its an emergency tool, it needs to be ready for use at all times without question. you know, like every other combat/edc focused optic on the market as i mentioned and demonstrated in this video.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 it takes a half of second to hit the button but I’m saying how long was it sitting on the shelf before he bought it as in it might’ve been in in the box mine was definitely on when I took it out of the box
really? why would they choose this over trijicon or holosun products? they are far superior, more features, better mounting solutions, more idiot proof, 10x the battery life. feel free to show your chief my video and have him talk to steiner haha. 13 hour auto off and an unusable battery life should be total deal breakers for a duty optic.
Just my opinion, but there is no reason the price of a good optic should cost that much and have such crappy performance. Technology and manufacturing has progressed to the point that the cost of an optic should be nowhere near that much. Much better optics for a way less expensive price point. I have a Holosun SCS that has been on my PDP for 2 years. It stays on. Never turned it off. Carry it everyday. Shoot it every weekend.
So? I went to Amazon and purchased a metric sh!t ton of batteries. For like $50. I can change it. Also (as you do) i have BACKUP SIGHTS. Seriously man, if having to change a battery is SUCH an inconvenience it's near impossible to adapt, over come, and go about your life without emoting... You don't really have the attitude of somebody who should carry. What happens if someone cuts you off in traffic? My MPS goes 6-8 months. At setting 5 I can point the red dot at a 60 watt lightbulb and see the dot. I run mine on setting 6 mostly. I also own an ACRO P1. On my back up. Ya know the smallest of batteries, I prefer it over the P2. Some how ill survive.
Tlr-7 sub, not saying the olight is bad, but the quality and aesthetic is better, I have the o light pl-mini and the tlr and i prefer the TLR-7 personally.
In my opinion this is a non-issue for a duty pistol. My work pistol isn’t “bump in the night” go-to so I don’t worry about it being off in my duty holster over night. When I get up for work I adjust to to the appropriate brightness for the day and realistically everyone should likely have to adjust their dot at least once in the day, which resets that 13hr clock. My specific example, I get up at 3am for work, I set it lower. Around 7:30-8am I set it to daylight bright. If you work evening, you’d start at daylight bright and eventually adjust for the evening so you aren’t attempting to aim with the red light of god… Point is, it shouldn’t be an issue if you actually police your brightness. Even when I EDC it, same applies. That being said, I can’t suggest it on something that’s your SUDDEN GRAB gun. Mine personally is the Flux Defense Raider which has a holosun (shake awake) It’s a good dot, has a far better track record that the Aimpoint ACRO and is far more accessible. I can’t say it’s a “must have” but as long as it meets those previously explained standards, it’s a solid choice. Easiest enclosed emitter to get irons sights to work through too.
that is not the sentiment of the vast majority of the professionals I deal with and have trained with. the vast majority of red dot instructors will tell you to put your dot on the brightest setting you might need and leave it there. you shouldn't adjust the brightness of your dot for night time manually because you will be in daylight bright settings (rooms with lights on) or worse, shooting from a dark place into a daylight bright setting and you won't see your dot. this is why you leave it on the brightest setting you will need and then never touch it. a defensive firearm should always be ready for use, it's an emergency tool, you should never have to touch a button or turn it on or get it ready. it needs to work 100% of the time in less than a second. with all that said, there's optics that do everything this optic does, cheaper, with 30x the battery life.... so there's no excuse to ever purchase it.
They lied bro. And you're making excuses for them. Why are you ok with a company taking $500 from people and lying about one of the most important aspects of the red dot in order to game the search engines. You do know that's how we buy stuff now, right? Search engines, specifications, etc. So you can't LIE about a specification, to get sales over your competitors that are NOT LYING. That's LITERALLY ILLEGAL.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 I’m also a police officer and use the MPS for duty. I almost always work 60 hours a week. I turn my dot on at the start of my shift and turn it off at the conclusion. I just had to change my battery for the first time in 3 months. Battery is like $1.20 per. Not sure why it’s such a big deal over battery life. Just keep a few extra batteries on hand if you leave it on 24/7. It only takes like 40 seconds to swap it out.
@@tylerpalmer2388 ya, it's too bad not all police get proper training. Your gun is an emergency life saving tool that needs to work without fail, without question, every single time you pick it up, 24/7. Do you only wear a seatbelt sometimes? Do you only put your airbags on sometimes? Do fire extinguishers turn off randomly? No. They are required by law to be on 24/7 without fail. That's how your gun should be and if you use an optic, that optic is your primary method of aiming your firearm that is about to decide whether you live or die in the next .5-2 seconds. Are you going to tell one of your suspects to please stop and wait 40 seconds while you change your battery so you can properly aim your gun? Or perhaps draw it and tell them to wait a minute while you turn it back on because you forgot to turn it on one time? Or draw it and it's blinking instead of giving you a sight picture? You've already been killed due to your equipment not working properly. Your brain should expect a dot, your presentation should be to acquire the dot (which is totally different than your backup irons if you have them), and when it's not there you're brain is going to go into an oh shit moment and need to assess what to do next. Then, if you're not dead yet, you're going to have to raise the gun up higher to get a crappy backup iron sight picture through the terrible optic you chose and focus on your front sight instead of the threat because iron sights work differently. Now. Tell me again why you don't think it's a big deal that you chose a primary aiming method that only works sometimes when you could have purchased a different one that costs less and will work without question, without fail, and without any input from you for about 5 years. There's 2 cops in this one comment thread that have had zero red dot training.. I need to start advertising my services haha. Every single advantage of having an optic on your gun is completely thrown out the window if you don't understand them or how to use them or how they are supposed to work.
@maximusjoseppi5904 Its strange that you're telling cops how to run their optics. It's 100% none of your business how anyone runs their kit. If this is the sword you want to fall on, then fine. Stop preaching, give your opinion, and move on. It sounds like the President of Steiner stole your girlfriend.
If I were you I would be returning this and demanding a full refund.... Even excluding the poor battery life that optic looks too big and bulky for a pistol
No. That is not how to fix things. You go to your bank and have the charge reversed. If you send it back they can sell it again. It doesn't hurt them if you get a refund and they get their product back. You have to KEEP the product and hurt them financially.
@m4rvinmartian enjoy being charged with fraud. You won't have to worry about optics on pistols anymore, as you'll lose your firearm rights due what will be an open-and-shut felony case. 😂
Man, isn't the battery right on top? You act like you have to pull the optic off to change it. It is also funny you are trying to trash this optic when you have an OLIGHT on your gun. Lol get out of here dude.
Been 17 days on max brightness with auto shut off disabled, still bright as can be, its one of the brightest red dots i have. This guy either got a lemon or is a liar and owns holosun optics lolol. I’m currently testing the battery life of my steiner mps. So far everything this guy has said is false. My rds is soo bright i have to turn it down to 6 during a full sun super bright day. 😂😂😂
because you dont get to decide when you need your self defense tool, someone else does and you will never know when, nor will you have time to ready it before because youre responding to something that has already occured. there is no reason to buy this optic. it does nothing better than other optics and it does a few things far, far worse.
I think you got a bad one. I set mine at 4 and im at 90 days. 4 is very bright outside. 3 is plenty bright inside. So either i got a newer version or yours is in need of repair
*Ok. Bought 2. Arrived on Aug 31. Today is, exactly 2 weeks, Sept 14, and they are BOTH flashing that they are about to die.*
*_336 hours! TWO MAGNITUDES LESS IN TIME, THAN 30,000 HOURS!_*
_So, I got two FREE red dots._
*Because I don't play that, and my bank DOES NOT EITHER. I will be having my charge reversed. And they can feel the sting of losing $900 for lying.*
If enough of you do this, they will change their lies on the packaging.
Oops, meant to say 13,000 hrs
@@m4rvinmartian you can edit the comment but anyways.
Thanks for the data. I made my own comment about how if you put this optic on a strictly duty only gun, and only had it on while on duty and off while off duty it might be okay, but ehhhhh. There are better options.
big gangsta i fell you tho companys need to stop the lying as im watching i cant help but notice the collection WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
I’ll help you out by taking one off your hands, but since they have low battery life, I’ll give $200?
Brother. Your bank will require you to return the product for a charge back to stay charged back... either that or you do this enough that they're trying to build a larger case on you. They aren't pressing charges for wire fraud until you hit over 1k. Be careful.
Yikes. I almost got that new FDE version. Thanks for sharing your experience and saving me the headaches
Glad to help
Get one dude, they are top teir optics, dont buy chinese communist holosuns, your just supporting the enemy. My steiner mps works great, everything this guy has said is false. He prolly got a lemon or a fake.
Thank you for the solid feedback you saved the day, Much appreciated ✊
I've had mine for 9 months and I've left it on level 6, and its still super bright. i really like it so far, and i do have the auto shut-off activated. to each their own i guess.
Cool? Your comment is utterly irrelevant
@@broadhead_rc5808he’s pointing out that this guy is being rather dramatic.
Thanks for the heads up. Sorry you had to deal with this issue.
Thanks for watching!
Wow. Great vid. Much appreciated. I was considering the MPS, but this has given me cause for pause.
I've had mine on the highest brightness with constant on for 6 months and just changed the battery.
Thanks for this video!
You just saved me a bunch pf money brother, much MUCH appreciated. This video needs to be seen by more people!
@Maximus Joseppi. WTF....thank you for the heads up...was looking at this dot for my G17.5
On a positive note: I've got one sitting on house gun (nvgs in back yard) the battery still good. Agreed, not ready for EDC.
Well god dammit I was just about to get a MPS cuz my astigmatism eyes can see the dot in this crispier than almost any dot I've tried. Good work sir, this video deserves some shares!
glad i could help. RMR HD could be promising or a 509T, EPS
I was going to make a purchase tomorrow morning. Thanks, I’ll go with something else! 👍
Thank you for saving me 600 bucks man!
I have to Aimpoint Acro P-2 and was intending to buy a Steiner MPS . Good to know, that they don't even last 1 year...
Was going to buy one tomorrow. Not anymore. Going with the holosun aems now. Thanks brother.
For that money... just get an Aimpoint ACRO P-2 50,000 hours of constant operation on a CR2032 battery
Oh shit. Nice save. Thanks.
thank you, I was about to order a Steiner..now I most likely go for an Acro instead
Uh oh. Was planning to buy one. Thank you for saving me the pain.🫡
I was just about to purchase the new fde version mps from primary arms, thank you for posting this video, I’ll just purchase another aimpoint p2
Same. This video is clutch!
You SAVED me money
Can you please share the battery life/battery brightness document?
you want me to share an email? you can contact them yourself
Sorry for your experience with this optic but you helped me out a bunch. Probably going Trijicon RCR
The battery life is definitely DOGSHIT. But for a duty gun, I think it's *mostly* a non-issue (other than spending a shit ton of money on batteries.)
Saw your reply to the other guy saying you asked "professionals" about it and they said "no it should always be on at all times", and if it's a gun you're counting to be ready to go at all times then sure. BUT. In the case of being a strictly "duty gun", as in "ON DUTY" gun, you could/would turn it on before going on duty, and turning it off when off duty.
I agree on false advertising and bullshit battery life to the point of being a joke of an option, but I think for the case of being only for a gun that you will use when you put on a belt, it actually is one of the few (like 2) closed emitter optics that have a good reputation for not having retarded qc. Trijicon's RCR is new and we're still awaiting if it has any problems, but the other promising options have all had problems/bad qc.
Great video and thanks for the info, but I think it lacks just the one perspective/consideration I said above.
I have three of these 2 on pistols and one as a canted red dot on my AR they are great.... But the battery life is garbage
thats a pretty good summary haha. however, the battery life is so ridiculous i cant recommend it for a self defense firearm
Yeah…… all of my holosun optics get a battery change on my birthday out of an abundance of caution…… and even then, it really doesn’t need it …..
I got a used one for $315, it came to me blinking- definitely a problem, not getting anymore, but will keep the used one - in almost perfect condition.
If you don’t want it sell it to me
@@seraphimcombat4884 it’s just sitting in a box waiting for its Beretta M9A4 to attach to 😂
@@theoverzealouscollector8198 sell it to me fck that beretta
*Hey, I bought one after watching your video. Testing now. Can let you know the results.*
_Btw, how do you mount this to things? Absolutely 0 of my guns fit it._
hopefully you can return it. you need an aimpoint acro footprint plate or mount. most will work but some say it wont work with the MPS.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 Know what I love about a "Standard mount"?? When there is more than 1 version! Can you believe there are two sizes of Acro dovetail?? OMG That's so annoying. I did finally find, C+H Precision, and they make the correct Acro for most pistols.
They are FKN EXPENSIVE! I am pretty sure they priced the plates based on 10% of the cost of the gun it goes on. $60 for [B]lock, $150 for Walther Q5!
But damn those were made on a VERY NICE CNC machine.
I thought my [B]lock plate wasn't going to fit, but it was just that it was machined to ONE THOU! I literally had to put it on dead flat, otherwise it wouldn't slide in.
VERY IMPRESSIVE!
*And looks stupid as fk on a [B]lock. LOL*
At least they are both boxy and ugly. They were made for each other.
Enclosed is pretty nice shooting in the rain a open dot sucks to .
really? because ive never had a problem shooting in the rain with an open emitter. if its raining hard enough to cause an issue with an open emitter, youre going to have issues with any optic and seeing in general.
I had the same thing happen to me. Crazy…
ya, its pretty wild. i decided to get a 509T and RMR HD instead.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 I think, overall 509T is the way to go period. I have avfew Acro P2’s as well and haven’t really been impressed. 509T, for me just offers more. Money not being an object…strictly based on my personal preference(likevthe green dot better) and experience with all those enclosed emitter optics.
*7:55** Here's something most people don't know (not saying you).*
*2016, 2032, 1632, those are PHYSICAL dimensions of those button cells.*
first two, diameter in mm, last two, height in decimal mm.
So, 20mm by 1.6mm,
20mm by 3.2mm,
and 16mm by 3.2mm
_That said, 4mm is a lot, I don't think it would have fit: securely, snugly, waterproof, at 2032. JMHEO_
i did not know that actually. theres plenty of room for a 4mm larger diameter, thats only 2mm on each side. In the end, every other optic company has figured out how to get sufficient battery life in their self defense optics so there's no excuse
Think im gonna go with the eps and get the 320$ model
*I have a dozen Chinesium red dots, never change batteries.*
I believe they are in violation of:
_The implied warranty of merchantability is a merchant's basic promise that the goods sold will do what they are supposed to do and that there is nothing significantly wrong with them. In other words, it is an implied promise that the goods are fit to be sold._
For $600 it better at least last 30,000 hours. A month of battery is stupid and limits the optic to range use only. If that even...
Steiner definitely makes a DOODY grade site!
I don’t like buying things from China but how does Holosun knock it out of the park every time with more options than Aimpoint Trijicon and Steiner like shake awake and solar mind blowing!🧠🤯🔫
Thats pretty sad but it looks really freaking sweet and looks like you'll be buying batteries in bulk luck for you the top can screw off just make sure you put i tiny bit of oil on threads so they stay good go on off easy becouse you are going to have to put a lot of batteries in and out .
Damn!
For someone's like me who shoots a couple days a week at my house i dont think it will be an issue and can get those batteries for like 50 cents but yeah if it was for duty or military its not acceptable and they must fix the battery
why would you voluntarily buy a worse optic thats less reliable and costs more? haha. regardless if its poor design is a problem for you personally... there are far better optics for half the cost.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 well thats what i was saying it will be reliable for me if I'm just turing it on once a week shooting for an hr and turning it off infact I bet it last me a long time before I have to change battery but will let you know i got the fde one it does look sick on my ddm4v7 exclusive with that mil spec plus color
@@maximusjoseppi5904 even though the battery won't be an issue for me even if it was there are other reasons to chose this one like it is one of the only enclosed red dot that actually keeps water and dust out if you research them most of them seem to fail this one seems to be one of the more rugged ones idk but just because you had an issue with yours doesn't mean others wont have a better experience : )
uhmmmm even if you had it at it's lowest setting, 1 month is still only about 730 hours. sooo... "UP TO" 1300 hours? Is that if you have it turned off for 90% of those 1300 hours?
Just like Pistols.. I STRONGLY URGE people to go with what has been out A WHILE & Tried & proven.... Such as Trijicon / Holosun & others!!!!
I would say that you must have gotten a dud and bad information on top of it. I am on my 2nd battery right now on my MPS and I have had it in constant on mode on next to the highest setting and I got a year out of both of mine. When I changed them the dot still wasn’t blinking either.
i got the information from steiner themselves, so its not bad information and the MPS as a whole is a dud. you do not have the optic on the settings you are claiming or you are lying about the time frame.
*No, you didn't, or you are forgetting or leaving out an aspect.*
I'm a guntuber also, and I bought 2 after I watched this video and exactly two weeks later, BOTH are flashing, so that's 3 and destroys your hypothesis.
_Thanks for playing._
@@m4rvinmartian it’s really simple. I put in a Duracell battery and set it on the next to the highest setting…then I set my alarm on my phone for 12 months later to change the battery. When I did the dot was still working. Carried it probably about 75-100 days each year and probably only changed the setting 4 or 5 times for an extremely short period of time when a friend was shooting it that may have had different preferences than me. I don’t forget things and I’m leaving nothing out. I have no reason to lie or mislead. The MPS is the only Steiner product that I own and I don’t plan on buying another one and I don’t care if anyone else does either. I was just sharing my experiences
@@wessowell6616 dude, youre not correct and you are misleading people with your comments. steiner themselves says youre wrong as does multiple people's personal experiences in your comment thread.
stop spreading misinformation on a potentially dangerous product that could get someone killed if they trusted it to save them and it didnt work.
it belongs be recalled.
Well I must have gotten a Unicorn bought mine a year ago . Haven't changed they battery yet . Even disabled the 13hr shutoff.
every optic company exaggerates battery life. I love my steiner couldn’t be happier with it but you can’t make everyone happy.
huh? no they dont haha. i showed an optic in this video that has been on for years. i have 3 or 4 optics with 2-3 years run time right now. theres no reason to buy the steiner over its competition that just does everything better, tougher, and cheaper. return it if you can... youll be even happier with pretty much ANYTHING else
I was about to purchase one, but now I’ll go with the 509t. Thank you❤
509 is much better. great optic
Those advertised battery lifes are not to trust in regards to any optic. Significant amounts of newer optics claim "50,000 hours" but only last a fraction of that. They are all that way. Batteries are cheap or turn it off when not in use.
a defensive gun is in use 24/7. and no, if you watched the video, i pulled out a red dot on a gun that has been on for about 4 years.
How long was it sitting on the shelf bruh it might’ve been on that entire time
what? haha.... thats the point of a red dot... to be on all the time. its an emergency tool, it needs to be ready for use at all times without question. you know, like every other combat/edc focused optic on the market as i mentioned and demonstrated in this video.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 it takes a half of second to hit the button but I’m saying how long was it sitting on the shelf before he bought it as in it might’ve been in in the box mine was definitely on when I took it out of the box
Ugh…my LE department is about to buy these for us…I feel like they will fail.
really? why would they choose this over trijicon or holosun products? they are far superior, more features, better mounting solutions, more idiot proof, 10x the battery life. feel free to show your chief my video and have him talk to steiner haha. 13 hour auto off and an unusable battery life should be total deal breakers for a duty optic.
Just my opinion, but there is no reason the price of a good optic should cost that much and have such crappy performance. Technology and manufacturing has progressed to the point that the cost of an optic should be nowhere near that much. Much better optics for a way less expensive price point. I have a Holosun SCS that has been on my PDP for 2 years. It stays on. Never turned it off. Carry it everyday. Shoot it every weekend.
Holosun has shake awake…
and?
So? I went to Amazon and purchased a metric sh!t ton of batteries. For like $50. I can change it.
Also (as you do) i have BACKUP SIGHTS.
Seriously man, if having to change a battery is SUCH an inconvenience it's near impossible to adapt, over come, and go about your life without emoting... You don't really have the attitude of somebody who should carry. What happens if someone cuts you off in traffic?
My MPS goes 6-8 months. At setting 5 I can point the red dot at a 60 watt lightbulb and see the dot. I run mine on setting 6 mostly. I also own an ACRO P1. On my back up. Ya know the smallest of batteries, I prefer it over the P2. Some how ill survive.
this level of ignorance is crazy haha... theres no hope for you man.
Lol is that seriously an Olight on it tho? Brah, get an actual light then a better optic. Priorities are fudded
name a better light there buddy, ill wait.
Tlr-7 sub, not saying the olight is bad, but the quality and aesthetic is better, I have the o light pl-mini and the tlr and i prefer the TLR-7 personally.
Thank you for saving me that money
Thank you for this video! I won’t buy this piece of crap.
In my opinion this is a non-issue for a duty pistol.
My work pistol isn’t “bump in the night” go-to so I don’t worry about it being off in my duty holster over night.
When I get up for work I adjust to to the appropriate brightness for the day and realistically everyone should likely have to adjust their dot at least once in the day, which resets that 13hr clock.
My specific example, I get up at 3am for work, I set it lower.
Around 7:30-8am I set it to daylight bright.
If you work evening, you’d start at daylight bright and eventually adjust for the evening so you aren’t attempting to aim with the red light of god…
Point is, it shouldn’t be an issue if you actually police your brightness. Even when I EDC it, same applies.
That being said, I can’t suggest it on something that’s your SUDDEN GRAB gun. Mine personally is the Flux Defense Raider which has a holosun (shake awake)
It’s a good dot, has a far better track record that the Aimpoint ACRO and is far more accessible.
I can’t say it’s a “must have” but as long as it meets those previously explained standards, it’s a solid choice.
Easiest enclosed emitter to get irons sights to work through too.
that is not the sentiment of the vast majority of the professionals I deal with and have trained with. the vast majority of red dot instructors will tell you to put your dot on the brightest setting you might need and leave it there.
you shouldn't adjust the brightness of your dot for night time manually because you will be in daylight bright settings (rooms with lights on) or worse, shooting from a dark place into a daylight bright setting and you won't see your dot.
this is why you leave it on the brightest setting you will need and then never touch it.
a defensive firearm should always be ready for use, it's an emergency tool, you should never have to touch a button or turn it on or get it ready. it needs to work 100% of the time in less than a second.
with all that said, there's optics that do everything this optic does, cheaper, with 30x the battery life.... so there's no excuse to ever purchase it.
They lied bro. And you're making excuses for them.
Why are you ok with a company taking $500 from people and lying about one of the most important aspects of the red dot in order to game the search engines.
You do know that's how we buy stuff now, right? Search engines, specifications, etc.
So you can't LIE about a specification, to get sales over your competitors that are NOT LYING. That's LITERALLY ILLEGAL.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 I’m also a police officer and use the MPS for duty. I almost always work 60 hours a week. I turn my dot on at the start of my shift and turn it off at the conclusion. I just had to change my battery for the first time in 3 months. Battery is like $1.20 per. Not sure why it’s such a big deal over battery life. Just keep a few extra batteries on hand if you leave it on 24/7. It only takes like 40 seconds to swap it out.
@@tylerpalmer2388 ya, it's too bad not all police get proper training. Your gun is an emergency life saving tool that needs to work without fail, without question, every single time you pick it up, 24/7.
Do you only wear a seatbelt sometimes? Do you only put your airbags on sometimes? Do fire extinguishers turn off randomly? No. They are required by law to be on 24/7 without fail. That's how your gun should be and if you use an optic, that optic is your primary method of aiming your firearm that is about to decide whether you live or die in the next .5-2 seconds. Are you going to tell one of your suspects to please stop and wait 40 seconds while you change your battery so you can properly aim your gun? Or perhaps draw it and tell them to wait a minute while you turn it back on because you forgot to turn it on one time? Or draw it and it's blinking instead of giving you a sight picture? You've already been killed due to your equipment not working properly.
Your brain should expect a dot, your presentation should be to acquire the dot (which is totally different than your backup irons if you have them), and when it's not there you're brain is going to go into an oh shit moment and need to assess what to do next. Then, if you're not dead yet, you're going to have to raise the gun up higher to get a crappy backup iron sight picture through the terrible optic you chose and focus on your front sight instead of the threat because iron sights work differently.
Now. Tell me again why you don't think it's a big deal that you chose a primary aiming method that only works sometimes when you could have purchased a different one that costs less and will work without question, without fail, and without any input from you for about 5 years.
There's 2 cops in this one comment thread that have had zero red dot training.. I need to start advertising my services haha. Every single advantage of having an optic on your gun is completely thrown out the window if you don't understand them or how to use them or how they are supposed to work.
@maximusjoseppi5904 Its strange that you're telling cops how to run their optics. It's 100% none of your business how anyone runs their kit. If this is the sword you want to fall on, then fine. Stop preaching, give your opinion, and move on. It sounds like the President of Steiner stole your girlfriend.
632$ on their website.😂
If I were you I would be returning this and demanding a full refund.... Even excluding the poor battery life that optic looks too big and bulky for a pistol
No. That is not how to fix things. You go to your bank and have the charge reversed. If you send it back they can sell it again.
It doesn't hurt them if you get a refund and they get their product back. You have to KEEP the product and hurt them financially.
@m4rvinmartian enjoy being charged with fraud. You won't have to worry about optics on pistols anymore, as you'll lose your firearm rights due what will be an open-and-shut felony case. 😂
Bro this thing looks so atrocious on every gun.
First of the month change the battery. Really it’s not an issue
or.... you could buy a cheaper, better optic that you change it every 5 years? haha. what logic are you trying to use?
@@maximusjoseppi5904 logic is don’t be so lazy
@@NCTACO 🤣 so pay more money, get a worse product that is meant to save your life... Good thinking there buddy haha.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 sounds like you need batteries to keep in your purse
Man, isn't the battery right on top? You act like you have to pull the optic off to change it. It is also funny you are trying to trash this optic when you have an OLIGHT on your gun. Lol get out of here dude.
This isn’t very cash money bro
Womp womp
Been 17 days on max brightness with auto shut off disabled, still bright as can be, its one of the brightest red dots i have. This guy either got a lemon or is a liar and owns holosun optics lolol. I’m currently testing the battery life of my steiner mps. So far everything this guy has said is false. My rds is soo bright i have to turn it down to 6 during a full sun super bright day. 😂😂😂
you cant possibly be this stupid... maybe watch the video before you type comments haha
@@maximusjoseppi5904 i watched it, all false
@@maximusjoseppi5904 31 days, full brightness, auto shut mode turned off, still bright as fuck
Sorry but this ain’t it chief. This optic is sweet but looks ridiculous on this pistol.
if you watch the video, i explain why its not sweet regardless of its looks on the chosen firearm.
Wow! Thanks for your ignorant opinion. Next time watch the whole video!
Why not just let it turn off, then turn it back on? Leaving it on 24/7 is kind of crazy. This is not the optic's fault. I'm going to buy one!
because you dont get to decide when you need your self defense tool, someone else does and you will never know when, nor will you have time to ready it before because youre responding to something that has already occured. there is no reason to buy this optic. it does nothing better than other optics and it does a few things far, far worse.
Hold on criminal, I need to turn on my optic
@@fauxtool952 co-witness iron sights
You sound like someone who carry without one in the chamber @seanc5827
All red dots should be on 24/7
I think you got a bad one. I set mine at 4 and im at 90 days. 4 is very bright outside. 3 is plenty bright inside. So either i got a newer version or yours is in need of repair