The New California Republic - Legion War | New Vegas Cartography
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- The biggest conflict in the wasteland is undoubtedly the multi year struggle between the burgeoning NCR, and savage Legion, dueling for the fate of the gem of the Mojave -- New Vegas, and its power house -- Hoover Dam. We look at the conflict, map the entirety of it and all the events that lead up to the start of the game, and then examine what an absolute victory scenario looks like for both the NCR and the Legion.
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Timestamps:
Intro- 00:00
NCR background- 01:20
Legion background- 02:36
NCR's expansion before the First Battle of Hoover Dam- 03:40
Legion's expansion before the First Battle of Hoover Dam- 08:29
The First Battle of Hoover Dam- 10:18
Events between the First Battle of Hoover Dam, and the start of the game- 15:15
NCR absolute victory scenario- 31:46
Legion absolute victory scenario- 50:42
NCR victory at the Second Battle of Hoover Dam- 1:04:49
NCR events after their victory at Hoover Dam- 1:12:49
Legion victory at the Second Battle of Hoover Dam- 1:17:02
Legion events after their victory at Hoover Dam- 1:22:36
Outro- 1:27:43
Ave!! Thank you so much for having me RadKing! It was a pleasure to put this video of epic proportions together with you!
Awesome to see you collaborating with more people. Love your channel Cypher!
Damn traitor (jk). Good to see you working with the King of Rads.
Loved the collab! Thank you for such a great video!
You did good man!
True to Caesar
I see fans are swearing their loyalty to either NCR or the Legion When everyone knows the best faction in fallout is the Republic of Dave.
No, it’s the Enclave.
Dave is an enclave plant
Nah, Followers of Apocalypse help everyone and dont ask for anything back. Legends
Huboligists rise up!!!
You guys are all wrong. The true best faction is the Tunnel Snakes? Why? Because the rule!!!
“The Bear and The Bull, The Bull and The Bear”.
-90% of Ulysses dialogue.
Then he dropped the fire “Navarro.” That takes up 80% of what I remember of him
As much of a West Coast Fallout fanboy as I am, I was okay with the changes made by the Fallout show except for it making it that Captain Symbology ended up getting his way.
@username1660 bot, the fallout show sucked
@@mattmark94 Ulysses is and always will be worse.
@@mattmark94
I know it’s a shock, but real people do actually enjoy the show, even with its flaws. I admit it has pretty glaring holes, but it did also make me replay Fallout 1, so good times were had by all.
A geopolitics video that doesn't inspire existential dread? Yes please!
Ave!!
The fallout univers has slowly but surely started to mirror the real world more, I feel 😅
@@ryanhelm1813 Time to build the New California Republic then irl!
This. This right here, is why New Vegas is the best fallout game. Every camp, every location, every faction, has importance and thought put behind them, making such an in-depth feeling world
It really is the best game world building wise. It's such a shame that it's difficult to get running and the gameplay feels dated.
Vanilla runs out of the box on steam and gog on Win10
Fallout 3 on the other hand...
True. I was thinking about this the other day. In Bethesda fallout, you have random settlements, no government. And there is no feeling of territory, the sense that the specific faction owns an area and is in competition with another.
In Bethesda fallout, factions dont have a presence. they may only have 1 base, which they concentrate on.
@@FuteFranta They fixed Fallout 3 on Windows 10 a while ago. I think it is a you problem at this point.
Now do a video on the lore behind the shirtless oiled battle between Todd Howard and Josh Sawyer at the Frontier mod developer's house.
In the midst of the melee, arriving late yet ready, Tim Cain joins the melee
And Ron Pearlman narrates the fight
I’d be down! Collab part two? 🤔
I dunno, Todd's time in the chess club gives him an undoubted tactical advantage, but I think Josh Sawyer's ability to wade the waters of Zion IRL give him the cardio to defeat Todd's sweet little lies.
@@Historyguy-xu5ht *"Because war, war never changes."*
Possibly the greatest war ever in the Wasteland's history.
"Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter."
Neocypher has a perfect cadence for a legion representative.
Ave! Thank you! 🎉
I love the idea that somehow Primm Slimm keeps the NCR out of Primm.
they can't even feed their troops so I'm not surprised
Now that the capital of the ncr is glass they got bigger problems lol
@BabySniff well, according to the chalkboard its supposed to be nuked 1 year after the battle of hellios one.. yet shady sands is referenced as a present tense location in NV... chalk (no pun intended) it up to bethesda and the show runners just not caring
@gageriddle1681 that's just not true, and you're a bad person for wanting to be angry. The shady sands discrepency has been addressed, the chalkboard denoted the "fall of shady sands" then an arrow, followed by a nuke. Notice the arrows separating all other historic points on said chalk board without any reference to how many years passed. There is no retconning, there is no plot hole, just people jumping to conclusions and choosing to be upset.
@@bluecapgun785people just want to find reasons to be mad at bethesda even after a great film
New vegas fans will never be satisfied and they are the most toxic too
I love the duel perspective approach to this analysis: it really fleshes out both possible endings in a way I haven't fully seen since I last played the game. And really shows just how much the Courier's actions and all possible alliances have on the outcome.
Im so gad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
We won't go quietly the legion can count on that-Based NCR Soldiers
NCR JUST THE BEST
Rather be a army of man fighting for freedom
Then watching everybody be treathed like 💩
@@funrun07haan50 I’m with Mr. House all the way, but the NCR is my second. I just think they need a good kick in the pants to humble them and the Courier and Mr. House is just the duo to give it to them.
@@crusader2112 the house always wins
@@fartmasternuts Indeed.
Mr. House = Jeff Bazos
FALLOUT CARTOGRAPHY! Yeahhhhhjh!
Ave!
Man, mapping out the Mojave must’ve made you wish for a nuclear winter
"I resent that" cracked me up😂
😂
Got me to chuckle, too.
'Shady sands' sounds like a nice spot to lay down that I'd promise to my dogs. Like, "c'mere buddy, how's bout you lay down in the shady saaands? There ya' go. That's a good boy"
You can't tell me that disgruntled workers over the years never referenced the place as 'shitty sands'. I subconsciously hear it almost every time someone talks about the place! My headcanon includes 'shitty sands' as a lore-accurate slur for the place
The birthplace of the Ashmother
@larrychilders6599 that's ash-LADY to you and she's a good girl! Yes she is, isn't she!?
It's now Shady Glass, lol
@@Grimpy970 yes
shady sands more like shady crater
You have to admit, NCR really shot themselves in the foot thinking the Legion wouldn't try again with a slower method. Years to prepare yet here they are waiting for a miracle, that being Courier 6
Have yet to watch the video but I do hope it covers one topic that is rarely touched. Namely, Legion's logistics. After all, they have: relatively lightly populated territory, no civillian administration to extract resources from said population, no or very light tax burden on the surviving people and no higher tech supply delivery method like rail, meaning they are subject to the wagon equatuon. Yet they somehow manage to establish and maintain a large permanent base for about a year in the middle of a desert. Quoth Benny: "How in the goddamn?"
They have plenty of civilians back East and they have to pay a "tribute". It's not basic taxes like the NCR but probably more of a weekly/monthly type thing.
There are a few things that work in Legion's favor in terms of logistics. Most of these are from Josh Sawyer's posts on various forums and cannot be found in game. Not the most ideal source of canon lore, but still better than nothing.
Fallout universe has a lot of magic tech. Power sources that could literally last for centuries? An automatic robot capable of performing freaking brain surgery in non-sterilized environment with almost no medical supplies? A vial of fluid that can bring people back from almost death? Yeah, those things will make supplying a big army not as challenging as real life.
Legion does not require as much supply as NCR due to their preference of simple, easy to maintain and often melee weaponry and their distaste of modern medicine. No need for bullets, gun oil, spare parts for firearm repair, drugs and stims, pay for soldiers, etc. Minimal corruption and less outsourced contractors to caravans and gun dealers mean their supply line is also highly efficient.
Legion does not require a civil government to extract resources from "independent" settlements under their control. They will ask the settlements to provide food and water only once. If the settlement does not comply, well I think you know what will happen. They also do not control large population centers, so all settlements are basically factories of food and water.
Legion is known for asking entire settlements to relocate. Therefore, they can literally take means of production with them and minimize the length of their supply chain. They also launch raids into NCR territory, and it won't surprise me that apart from as fear tactics, these raids also "generate" a portion of Legion's supply.
Nevertheless, Legion will have supply problems if they take control of large population centers such as Vegas. You can convince the Legate not to take Vegas by convincing him that Legion supply chain cannot maintain a large population center.
@@justanotheraccounthere2014 yes, fallout has a lot of magic tech. But we have no reasons to believe Legion uses most of them. Medical tech in particular is highly indicative because the Legion has no means of fixing the only autodoc they are shown to have, nor ideed are they capable of bringing a working one. Given that the autodoc is needed to save Caesar himself, it seems like a fair indication that legion doesn't have working autodocs. Similarily, when you enter the Fort, legion guard will take away your prohibited items. That includes your stimpacks. That means that stimpacks are forbidden. We don't have direct evidence for other examples of tech, but overall there is no reason to believe the Legion is using any of that tech on any significant scale. Considering that most legionaries come from tribals conquered by the Legion it makes sense for them to not use such tech. They have no knowledge of it. Caesar himself does, but he does not share it much.
For a faction that claims to prefer melee weapons their assassins are sure as shit packing some serious heat. I joke, but the point is still relevant. Most of Legionaries do not use only machetes, they use guns including high end guns or technilogically sophisticated melee weapons, like thermal lances or rippers or chainsaws. Those also require maintenance and fuel and spare parts etc. Furthermore, legion is using at least somewhat standartized armor, precious metal coinage and we do see a field smithy (or at least a blacksmith) in the camp. All of those would require logistcal support. Fuel for cooking and for the smithy is actually another bulk consumable that the legion would catgorically need, because the real life armies with even lower tech still needed it, and they can't just get it locally, not a whole lot of trees in that part of the region.
The problem I have is not with the idea of legion's settlements being unwilling to give what they have. It is with the idea that those settlements actually do have enough to give and also with the idea that what they give can actually be efficiently collected and transported to the frontlines without food going bad or being eaten by the guys doing the transporting and their pack animals. Secondly, assuming that under all settlements are basically factories of food and water, you mean they are agricultural communities then that is probably true. The problem is, from what little evidence we have, both populational density and agricultural productivity of Legoin land should be pretty low. Why? Well, from dialog with both Raul and Caesar himself. Raul tells us that Arizona was mostly small towns, tribals and raider gangs with constant small scale fighting going on. Such an environment is rather counter-productive to significant population growth. Rise of the Legion did fix that patricular issue, but the way Caesar did it was to either destroy or integrate into the Legion the tribals and raiders and subjigate or, in some cases, destroy the towns. Considering that legionaries do not meaningfully contribute to the economy, it means that rise of legion had effectively wiped somewhere around 50% of already low population (technically quite a few of those people eneded up in the legion rather then dead, but again,as far as the economy is concerned there is little difference). But there is more to the problem. Modern, in this case meaning post agrarian revolution, agriculture is significantly more productive then it was before said revolution. But in order to achieve that, modern agricuture requires a lot more then just the farmers. It requires machinery, artificial fertilizers and many other things which can be only provided by the rest of the industrialized economy. Well, in Fallout verse that infrastructure got nuked and what survived the nukes is, at least in legion territory, very likely to have degraded even further due to lack of maintenance, collateral damage from constant fighting and locals cannibalizing what they can to keep their communities intact. And considering that Legion has little to none technical experitize or desire to rebuild the lands of their subjects, we can fairly safely assume, that majority, if not entirety, of agriculture in Legion territory is done in pre agricultural revolution way. And what little benefits they may have from things that did survive despite everything, is very lIkely to be countered by the residual effects of the Great war. Now that is a problem. A big one. Traditional agriculture is inefficient and has relatively low yealds, meaning that the farmers do not have much food to give in the first place and even less they would be willing to give away. Legion can force the issue, of course, but the thing is, even if they take everything, it may not be enoguh, and if they only take what the farmers can give away safely it would definitely be not enough. There is a reason why before agrarian revolution peasants made up around 90% of the population: that was how many people were needed just to feed the population.
Firstly, I have not heard anything about Legion straight up relocating settlements. Secondly, even if they do, the efficiency is still a problem. There is only so much food that can be produced in the area in close viscinity to the frontline even under the best circumstances and having farmers just moved from the land they know well and have pre-established infrastructure, however meager it is, to the land they know little about and have to strart cultivating from scratch is pretty far from the best circumstances. As for the raid in the NCR, well, firstly, NCR in the region has serious supply issues as well, so they don't exactly have that much to give. But bigger problem is that raids by their very nature require troops to move fast and relatively stealthily. Which is not something that can be do if they are loaded with looted supplies. But even they do load themselves up, between their other gear, like armor and weapons and food they will consume just to feed themselves would mean that such raids would be a deop in the bucket even under the best possible condtions.
@@FlakoDaDon-Dada I made a big post replying to another comment, but that reply should also cover your points. just a heads-up.
I have a couple of videos that touch on this!
Ave! True to Cypher!
Ave!!
Amazing work RadKing and NeoCypher, well thought out and reasonable. Bravo
Ave! Thank you!
I can't help but feel naming your camp "Forlorn Hope" is kind of setting yourself up for failure.
I'm head-canoning it was named Camp Hope or something, but locals and troopers jokingly called it Forlorn. The name spread even to officers and the new name just stuck.
For anyone who sees this I genuinely recomend Neocypher's stuff, he gets into the RP but isnt cringe about it. Also im so glad youre covering the Mojave conflict here! Always thought itd be cool to see in this series.
How dare you call rad king cringe? It is literally like he is part of the fallout universe. I love him so much
@@finlaywightman7126????? I wasn't saying he is??? I love both radking and neocypher. I was talking specifically about how some legion ppl go wayyyy overboard in terms of the RP and how Cypher isn't one of them.
Thank you so much!! 🥹
@@finlaywightman7126 It seems pretty obvious to me that nothing bad was said about Radking. Just because I say this green apple is sour doesn't mean the other one right next to it isn't.
@@rileylong5250that’s because legion fanboys are actual fascists in real life I doubt this guy is any different just because he hides it better
The greatest war the wasteland can *confirm* ever seeing. The war against The Calculator being vastly superior in scale, if it ever happened.
If I recall there was a tweet that confirmed fallout tactics as canon
Who would win?
One of the legendary Desert Rangers, using military and survival training equivalent to modern day elite soldiers in a home environment, armed with a rifle heavy-duty enough to make it capable of disabling lightly armored vehicles and an assortment of lighter weapons, and himself wearing a medium amount of personal kevlar armor...
Or
A tribal out in the middle of unfamiliar terrain, wearing football gear and wielding a sharp stick?
I would say one the the desert rangers
The centurion behind him lol
Don't underestimate the pointy stick, it's the historical weapon meta
The Tribal and his non-fiat currency
@@MrMilla22 Trick answer: The centurion is also wearing only football gear and wielding a slightly more pointy stick.
Damn, I love these cartography videos!
This game really deserves a remake for PC and modern consoles. Since Bethesda is too lazy they should hire modders to do it and give them whatever resources (and time) they require.
Now.... how canonically accurate is the Old World Blues HOIV map
Basically 90% of HOIIV OWB that isn’t NCR/legion is purely made up or taken from cut content/design docs for cancelled games like Van Buren, making it very canonically inaccurate.
Mexico and canada are basically non canon, colorado has questionable canon status as aside from the hangdogs we have no confirmation of where the tribes lived before the legion conquered them, new reno, vault city, arroyo, klamath, san francisco and the den technically dont have a confirmed status though its likely after fallout 2 most became part of the ncr but this can be done through their focus trees. The mojave doesn't have a lot of the new vegas factions but most of them have cores. Utah is mostly canon due to honest hearts,but the extremist Christians north of new canaan probably aren't. In new vegas the montana bos chapter is mentioned but thats the only canon in the new areas. Oregon and texas are mostly based off the cancelled fallout games fallout extreme and fallout brotherhood of steel 2.
@mappingshaman5280 here in Utah those Christians are known as Mormons ( Which is
The predominant religion in Utah) I'm sure if any of them did survive a nuclear war they might reinvent their religion a little bit I forget all the in game Lore But essentially the new caneittes are just A post apocalyptic version of the Mormon church
@@KingOfLesbia I think he Is speaking about another factions, Heaven's gate, Who I think was inspired by thw Far cry series.
They are different than new Canaan mormors
The problem is we only get Fallout through a fine lenes that the games give us. Until Bethesda or Microsoft, create more games and expand that lore, Old World Blues is as accurate canonically as it can be.
I always thought it was a shame that Jacobstown was left out of the NCR v Legion conflict, I would imagine that allying with super mutants would be beneficial to either side. Taking advantage of the tensions between the Super Mutants and the Nightkin for one side or the other is something I could see the NCR or the Legion doing.
and then Chief Hanlon said "I'm a pickle, Courier! Pickle HANLOOOON"
I almost cried when he said "It's Hanlon'n time"
He then shot himself in his office.
General Oliver Seething as The Rangers make 1 Hanlonillion NCR Dollars.
Funniest shit I've ever seen
Funniest shit I've seen in my life
Awesome to see neocypher and you collabing!! He's come so far, been with him since the start it's great to see him here
Ave! Thank you for your support all this time 💪🏻
I gotta say, hearing a CZcamsr actually speak using imperial latin instead of the classical counterpart made my day.
I swar to God, everytime I hear him calling Caesar properly my smile grows.
(Btw, I'm not a legion fan, I'm a history nerd and minuteman fan)
this! as someone who knows latin and how the german Kaiser is directly derived from lat. caesar it is really refreshing to have someone use the proper pronounciation on it :)
Love the video
Love to hear that :)
Glad you loved it! 🎉
I love your cartography videos! After watching the show, I was just getting excited for more NCR lore!
Patrolling the comment section almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
using the proper lat. pronounciation on Caesar is amazing! i wish they had been using it ingame aswell
I love neocypher and his way of narrating so much ❤ great video btw
Thank you so much!! 😁
@@theneocypher of course man! I’ve been a fan of you for awhile I love how you actually appreciate the legion and do them justice!
This was a fantastic video Radking!
Love the collab with Neo too.
This series is fantastic as well and I hope to see it have a long life on this channel.
Also Codsworth being (possibly) sentient video when?
Thank you so much! Ave!
I really enjoyed this video and the format your going with! I look forward to even more of these style videos!
Hell yeah Neocypher and Radking for the win
Ave!
Nice work here man definitely one of your best so far
Ave True to Cypher, and Great video super awesome coverage of the Lore.
Thanks Waste!! Ave!
This is the greatest showing of lore ever to come from new Vegas content creators
Wow! Thank you so much!! 🎉
I love seeing both of you explaining all of the outcomes of the game deserve like
Awesome overview of the story, both you and Neocypher!
Since they arrived in the area?!! The great Khan's have been raiding the NCR since before it was the NCR. Heck if I was a great khan I'd think the NCR was following us
Radking more like dadking (ily buddy and i hope you have a beautiful weekend)
I'm ngl brobro that's pretty homosexual
Yeaaaa new Rad video!!! Love your content
This is honestly one of my favourite FNV videos on CZcams. Awesome combination of narrative and lore examination.
Very nice work.
Never fully supported the legion during a playthrough, but I enjoyed seeing the possible outcome.
Tend to go for the house or yes-man endings.
Now that this has officially started I'm once again suggesting it be called 'Mojave Mapping' to continue the theme of alliteration in Commonwealth Cartography
Recently subscribed, and glad i did! This video is awesome!
Glad you liked it!! 🎉
Well now that fo4 is broken AF and i never gave 76 the time of day, i guess now its time to go back to this gem of a game, it was perfect, perfect it every way.
moo
This is like my favorite video too date, thank you holy radking for preaching the lore of the wastelands❤
The only group id join is "The Followers of RadKing" the real power behind the curtain.
This was a long watch, but very informative. Thank you.
New 1 hour Radking! Let's goooo
Fucking feature-length, LET'S GO!!!
Ave!
I'd love for a version of the Cartography that covers the Mojave if the Courier goes independent-My personal idea is that the Mojave itself would become a loosely associated federation of the various communities, with New Vegas as the "capital". But that's Best Case, Courier Helped Everyone And Upgraded The Securitrons type stuff. A fun video could be "What if the Courier did the MOST for the Mojave" and then "What if they did the most TO the mojave", aka...
a. courier helps everyone, makes everything better, kicks out the NCR and legion
vs
b. the courier ruins everything, slaughters communities, nukes the long 15 and dry wells, destroys hoover dam, etc etc
NCR this Legion that, no one ever wants to talk about how good No-Bark would be for the Mojave
Very wonderful and delightful to listen to you both very much enjoyed this video keep up the good work both of you
Will do! 💪🏻
What a great addition to the series!
Well now I have to download this again and play it once more because this hit the nostalgia button real hard.
RadKing your videos are my new obsession
Finally another video to watch at work 🙏 Adam is good
Awesome video man!
The NCR has a flag with a bear with two heads and the Legion a bull with one head in a world where bears still have one head but bulls have two heads.
The only thing I take issue with here is neocypher’s insistence on saying “legion-naughty” for legionarii. Although, to be fair, it’s par for the course with the legion’s half-assed latin pronunciation (I swear they choose which C’s, V’s, and G’s to pronounce as hard at random).
Precisely why I do that 😁 If I spoke true Latin, It wouldn’t be accurate to FNV Latin that most are familiar with
@@theneocypher Fair point. Hearing you say “legion-naughty” had me cracking up.
Ave! Great job guys awesome video
Very awesome video - shows how well written this game was
Bro you deserve a lot more recognition
Amazing video my mind is blown great breakdown! NCR FOREVER
Great video! Do more collabs. You compliment each other nicely.
40:02 if you’re stealthy enough during the missing supplies mission then the legion will spawn in next to existing fire geckos and cazadores
This doesn’t go well for them
Yeah man nobody asked
I love it! I miss those crazy stealth secrets!
Ahhh yes the video I’ve been hoping for ❤
1:11:04 The hoover dam was built to withstand a nuke. A few air dropped bombs would not do too much damage i think. Thanks for the vid, very nice colab.
Always love your content brother. Thank you
Brethren. Let bask in his green glow ✨️💚✨️
Was watching some of your older cartography videos just last night and saw a comment on one of them asking for this exact video. Then come today, here it is. The prophecy foretold the arrival
Hail!
Yall have a nice chemistry honestly i hope this isn't the last collab.
Holy shit!!! Yessirrrrrrrrrr been waiting thanks rad 👑
When people ask why NV is the best 3d fallout game, this is one of the biggest reasons. You can't do a geopolitical breakdown of 3 or 4 because those worlds are just full of random things placed in random locations, they have no cohesion and don't feel like believable worlds as a result.
Love the video man
When the legion dude is talking, I can’t help but think it sounds a little bit like Ulysses.
I get that a lot 😅
Love the cartographer videos. Will you do one on their populations as well?
"For the Republic"
- C̶l̶o̶n̶e̶ NCR trooper
Never ask an enclave remnant what happened at Navarro
Never ask a brother of steel what happened at Helios One
Never ask a legionaire what happened at Hoover Dam
Never ask an NCR Soldier what happened at Bitter Springs
LFG I knew you’d be making this video soon!
Yall forgot the activation of archimedes on helios 1 were the legion will occupy helios 1 after ncr forces were vaporized
If/When you cover Fallout 76 Cartography, I'd recommend collaborating with or watching the CZcamsr Irresolute Cartographer who has thoroughly gone through 74 locations Pre-Wastelanders Update in his "Fallout 76 Surveyal" series. It would be a huge mistake in my opinion to ignore the Pre-Wastelanders factions, territories, and locations. To see the change from 2102 and 2103 would be fantastic. Great videos as always, RadKing.
if synonymous was in this this would literally be the holy trinity of fallout youtubers
You are too kind 🥹
Absolutely AMAZING video as always!
WOO starting the best modern Fallout title!
Cant wait to watch this one!
MY PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED!!! NEW VEGAS CARTOGRAPHY
Ave!
This is gonna be great to listen to while I play some online slots
Excellent video! I just wish it had a segment on camp Guardian. It gets overlooked way too frequently.
He is finally back atom bless you
Epic video.
I’m a simple man, I see the ncr, I click
this 10 out of 10 good work
Amazing video 10 out of 10
Neo cypher!
Ave! 🎉
@@theneocypheromg! Its him!!😮❤ love your videos
Thank you! Im glad you love them 😁