History of the Tibeto-Burman Languages

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  • čas přidán 21. 05. 2022
  • History of the Tibeto-Burman Languages, Proto Sinotibetan, Proto Tibeto-Burman, Burmese, Loloish, Qiangic, Tangut, Karenic, Nungish, Tujia, Bodish, Tshangla, West Himalayish, Tamangic, Magaric, Kiranti, Dhimalish, Tani, Siangic, Bodo-Garo, Konyak, Jingpho-Luyish, Naga, Kuki-Chin, Meitei
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Komentáře • 269

  • @DionysiosPhryx
    @DionysiosPhryx Před 2 lety +114

    Nice job, really impressed how complex this family is. Mountainous areas typically show high degree of linguistic diversification. I wish Korea and Japan next please... these videos are great...You have already covered a lot of language families. I hope you continue these series of language families.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +15

      Thank you very much

    • @n_asmo
      @n_asmo Před 2 lety +8

      It'd be interesting to see both of those languages, but I think it'll be a bit difficult since both are language isolates and we dont know their exact origin. And as I know, most Korean writing samples are less than 1000 years old, making us hard to determine what kind of languages were used back then.

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Před 2 lety +1

      @@n_asmo u can view dragon historian's videos on it. there have been theories and research for the past decades about their origins, enough that there's two branches of theories for each koreanic or japonic family's origins

    • @n_asmo
      @n_asmo Před 2 lety +2

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx Yes I've seen their videos about them earlier.

    • @Wandrative
      @Wandrative Před rokem +1

      @@n_asmo 'Most Korean Samples' ... because there is a very large amount of Korean samples remaining from the Goryeo onwards. This does not mean the previous ones are non existent, not does it mean that we cant understand them through anthropological migration patterns. Korean is a Paleosiberian Language Isolate, which means that its close relatives are non existent in the modern age. We still know where it comes from.

  • @user-wc1pf1ne8v
    @user-wc1pf1ne8v Před 2 lety +38

    Finally! Indeed, it is hard to work on whole Sino-Tibetan Languages, but you did address the location of Proto-Sino-Tibetan and the way the two main groups initially spilt. Thanks!

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +5

      Thank you. Indeed the whole of Sino-Tibetan seems almost impossible

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Před 2 lety +2

      @@CostasMelas what if the video here combined with the video on sinitic languages that dragon historian made, plus the info about the chinese diasporas in southeast asia that i commented to you long ago?

    • @samuelfanning6598
      @samuelfanning6598 Před 12 dny

      Actually the latest genetic reaearch suggested that the early Proto-Sino-Tibetan was from coastal Shandong and that the languages split during upstream migrations.

  • @KelzangDorji
    @KelzangDorji Před rokem +106

    Sadly the Tibeto-Burman languages and dialects today are endangered and extinct in the hands of Indo-Aryan languages. Almost all the Tibeto-Burman Nepali people have given up their language and dialects to Indo Aryan Nepali. Hardly anyone speaks the Tibeto-Burman languages there. Same can be said about the Tibeto-Burman people of India. Today they most commonly use Indo-Aryan languages like Hindi, Assamese, Bengali, Nagamese Creole, and more and more Tibeto-Burman people aren't able to speak their languages and dialects day by day. With the continuation of the trend, the extinction of all the Tibeto-Burman languages and dialects in India and Nepal is not so far away.

    • @3haAD900
      @3haAD900 Před rokem +10

      the indian government gives grants here for education so major tibeto burman languages here at least are spoken widely

    • @KelzangDorji
      @KelzangDorji Před rokem +19

      @@3haAD900 don't know much about that but in places like Nagaland, Arunachal and Assam in India where I have lived, Tibet-Burman languages are either extinct or rapidly getting endangered. Almost all the Naga people today don't speak their language but rather the Nagamese Creole which is one form of Assamese... the Arunachali people use either Hindi or Assamese as de facto lingua franca and many of them aren't able to speak their language and have adopted either Hindi or Assamese even at their homes and the number keeps increasing... even in Assam, most of Tibeto-Burman people have adopted Assamese... can't say much about other North East states. Outside India, most of the Tibeto Burman people in Nepal only speak Nepali, the national language and can't speak their language. In Bangladesh, the Tibeto Burman people have lost their original language to Indo Aryan languages. For example... Chakma language.

    • @alexandergalitevstudentfvh8696
      @alexandergalitevstudentfvh8696 Před rokem +24

      just gonna ignore the whole of tibet being under sinicization by china...

    • @3haAD900
      @3haAD900 Před rokem +8

      @@KelzangDorji True, thats unlucky in that sense. The Indian government should give more grants and funding to native language teaching.
      My grandma spoke a small rural (non tibetan though) language but she hasnt passed it down and there are only a few speakers of it left

    • @jagatdeuri3261
      @jagatdeuri3261 Před rokem +8

      True, i speak *deori language* its the only eastern Bodo-Garo language.

  • @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
    @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Před 2 lety +39

    Wow! Congratulations!! I think this makes you the first and so far only channel on CZcams to have tackled all the complex language families in Eurasia-Africa. I'm guessing this, Austroasiatic and Niger-Congo would've been the hardest.
    I'm guessing this means we can look forward to the Sinitic languages next. It was definitely a good idea to separate Tibeto-Burman and deal with this separately to Sinitic. I think Sinitic won't be as hard, thankfully.
    One very good thing with what you do is if there are errors, or when there future developments in paleolinguistics, others can build on your work, and even you can build on your own work, and any changes made should be easy to modify.
    Again, well done! You are performing a wonderful service to the global community.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +8

      Thank you very much for the comment. Indeed, it was maybe the most difficult (a possible top five is Tibeto-Burman, Nilo-Saharan, Austroasiatic, Berber, Niger-Congo)

    • @user-xw8et4lr2j
      @user-xw8et4lr2j Před 2 lety +1

      @@CostasMelas what about Hmong-mien?

    • @DanksterPaws
      @DanksterPaws Před 2 lety +1

      Not the first! But always the most reliable.

    • @Skikdii
      @Skikdii Před rokem

      @@CostasMelas Are you sure "berber" was one of the most difficult because I saw the video and it is completely based on no other evidences than your imagination

  • @loveall69
    @loveall69 Před rokem +37

    Sino-Tibetan ➡️ Tibeto-Burman ➡️ Sal ➡️ Bodo-Garo ➡️ Boroic ➡️ Kokborok (Tripuri) ❤️

    • @user-qy7nn3so6e
      @user-qy7nn3so6e Před rokem +1

      Nini para boro

    • @Inertia.
      @Inertia. Před 28 dny

      any idea how tripura is related to the Kirats of Nepal.
      The ancient name of Tripura was Kiratpura.

    • @loveall69
      @loveall69 Před 28 dny

      @@Inertia. that's only a myth written by Royal Priests to make Kings happy.
      Tripura has No connection with Kirat or Nepal.

    • @Inertia.
      @Inertia. Před 28 dny

      @@loveall69 quite a bold statement to be honest. In modern history, there is no connection but I believe in ancient history, there is a shared point of culture which dates back to a few thousand years.

    • @dungdungahhahhdungdung2054
      @dungdungahhahhdungdung2054 Před 20 dny

      ​@@Inertia.🤭🤣😂lmfao

  • @demechikgaming7802
    @demechikgaming7802 Před 2 lety +18

    we are Garo people from North East India also family of Tibeto Burman language Now we are talking Bodo Garo

  • @wsm2545
    @wsm2545 Před 2 lety +14

    You're nothing but a legend, keep working on, m8 🙌

  • @mycarima3497
    @mycarima3497 Před 2 lety +14

    Interesting visualisation and quite informative. I learned a lot through your videos. Great job!

  • @tristansoendergaard7867
    @tristansoendergaard7867 Před 2 lety +12

    Thank you Costas, you are the best.

  • @user-qc3zg2zu1g
    @user-qc3zg2zu1g Před 2 lety +19

    very nice given that the homeland and the order in which the sino tibetic branches splitting off from the common ancestor is very difficult to determine with a high degree of precission.
    but I don't like when he makes proto languages to be too late for differentiation, the proto sino tibetic was more likely to be spoken between 4000-4800 BC and proto austro asiatic 5000-7000 BC respectively

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +8

      Thank you. Yes, there is a great degree of tolerance for the early period of this family. Tibeto-Burman is also difficult even in more recent times.

    • @Nullius_in_verba
      @Nullius_in_verba Před 2 lety +2

      Indeed ST should be related to Yangshao culture,not to the sinitic Longshan

    • @GL-iv4rw
      @GL-iv4rw Před 2 lety +1

      Seems like he starts off every video at 3000 BCE. Proto-Sino-Tibetan was probably spoken around 5200 BCE and differentiation probably happened circa 4000 BCE. So the proto-Sinitic period was like 4000-2000 BCE, which was contemporaneous with the era of the Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors (the genesis of Chinese history)

    • @Nullius_in_verba
      @Nullius_in_verba Před 2 lety

      @@GL-iv4rw Strange thing about this video is that he begins generally at 4000bc when it comes on primary language families..so i found this choice almost weird

  • @bletrick3352
    @bletrick3352 Před 2 lety +10

    Most underrated channel on CZcams

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 Před rokem +7

    Tibetan language probably had influence on Mongolia during late Ming and Qing dynasty (17~19 century) due to the diffusion of Tibetan Buddhism in Mongol tribes. Tibetan was regarded as the writing language of Mongolian Buddhism temples (Zuu) by local lamas, and quite a few Mongol infants were given Tibetan names (such as Dorj, Nyima, Tenzin, Yunden etc) by lama instead of previous native names during that period. Most of Mongolian elites didn't use native Mongol names until mid 20th century. I think Mongolian plateau should be slashed in dark blue that period as the linguistic evidence that Tibet influenced Mongolia in terms of religion.

  • @joshygoldiem_j2799
    @joshygoldiem_j2799 Před rokem +8

    Please make another version where you include the Sinitic languages, they're just as much Sino Tibetan as Tibetan and Burmese!

  • @nikhilalbert3084
    @nikhilalbert3084 Před rokem +7

    Lepcha, Limbu and Bhutia are missing. They are the oldest East Asiatic inhabitants of the Mountains.

  • @alaioron6567
    @alaioron6567 Před 2 lety +11

    I speak Bodo language.. A language that belongs to sal sub group of tibeto Burman language.. With more than 2.5 million we make largest in northeast India

  • @sanexpreso2944
    @sanexpreso2944 Před 2 lety +20

    Do you plan to make videos of the native language families of America? If you need help there are two theories about these, the first says that there are 3 families of languages that are the Eskimo-Aleutian, Na-dene and the Amerindian that would be the most numerous and the ones that cover more territory, the other theory says that there are many families each in a specific region, for example Quechua is part of the Quechua languages, Aymara of the Aymara languages

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +10

      Yes, it is in the future plans. Thank you very much

    • @Chubbchubbzza007
      @Chubbchubbzza007 Před 2 lety

      As far as I know the idea of the Amerindian family has been widely debunked.

  • @cyrilsuperkonar3422
    @cyrilsuperkonar3422 Před 2 lety +1

    I absolutely love your videos))

  • @idudonte
    @idudonte Před 2 lety +12

    Are you ever planing on creating your version of "languages of the world" map? I think you would do well with the amount of data you're collecting

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +11

      I would love to make it but it will be a very difficult job

    • @andreparoni
      @andreparoni Před 2 lety +2

      @@CostasMelas If there is anyone who can do it... that's you though!

  • @Unknown10446
    @Unknown10446 Před 2 lety +7

    Awesome Bro! 😀👌🏻

  • @limeliciousmapping4652
    @limeliciousmapping4652 Před 2 lety +21

    Wow, I've been waiting for this series to return! Great job as always. How did the today Burmese languages move places so suddenly from Western China to Myanmar!?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +20

      Thank you. They expanded towards Burma during the Nazhao invasions in Burma. The migrations are results of domino effect triggered by steppe peoples (such as the european case between 5th and 8th century).

    • @pyaephyo6955
      @pyaephyo6955 Před rokem +1

      I thought we Burmese were served as horse riders under Nazho kingdom. After Nazho Invision of Pyu city states most Burmese didn't go back their homeland be of wide lands to stay. In Burmese language we called ourselves as "Myan-mar" Myan means quick, mar means strong, literally Myan-mar can mean Quick and strong horse man

    • @moulun.9826
      @moulun.9826 Před rokem +6

      @@pyaephyo6955It is Mranma ,horsearmy,Cavalry.
      What????!!We, Mranma people didn't make any invasion on Piú (aka Piào,Tù Ló Zhú) and their city states.We helped them more powerful.We are same people, Tibeto-Burman.We helped to expand their territory.
      2. Pyu is Mranmá and Mranmá is Pyu(Same Tibeto-Burman people).They are in our blood.Just name's Changing.
      3. Mranmá(Tibeto-Burman) people's first Invision in Myanmar was on Mon people from South.There were many wars between old Mon people and us.

    • @user-cd1ym9gt4h
      @user-cd1ym9gt4h Před rokem +3

      @Pyae Phyo Myan =Chinese 敏(min) =quick

    • @terraminsan7392
      @terraminsan7392 Před rokem +1

      Nope.Mranma are Bamar and Rakhine.Pyu are other Tibeto Burman like Yaw,Pa o'

  • @Ahaa686
    @Ahaa686 Před rokem +3

    Cool video but please do more history of religion videos. Make one about sects of buddhism and non zoroastrian iranic religions.

  • @jagatdeuri3261
    @jagatdeuri3261 Před rokem +8

    Sino-tibetian ➡️ Tibeto- Burman ➡️ Sal ➡️ bodo-garo ➡️ *Deori*
    It's the only eastern Bodo-garo language.

  • @aleeela
    @aleeela Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent work

  • @joaocorreia524
    @joaocorreia524 Před 2 lety +3

    Come for the historical maps, stay for the ambient music

  • @sean668
    @sean668 Před 2 lety +1

    This is amazing. Where did you find information about the Tujia being displaced from the Yangtze river valley? I've heard this countless times but I can't find any sources

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +3

      Thank you. I used some scholar articles (mainly MJ Brown) and some references to more general articles about Tibeto-Burmans. There are indeed very few articles and publications on this subject

  • @kenanhasan9784
    @kenanhasan9784 Před 2 lety +4

    Good work.

  • @frankolioman
    @frankolioman Před 2 lety +2

    Nice. Will you be doing the Sinitic languages as well?

  • @xrhstoslalalala8269
    @xrhstoslalalala8269 Před 2 lety +2

    Nice work

  • @andrefarfan4372
    @andrefarfan4372 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video

  • @samuelfanning6598
    @samuelfanning6598 Před 13 dny +1

    Out of curiosity, could you provide the sources you consulted that support the idea that the Pyu city-states were Jingpo-Luish speaking?
    Also, in the sources I read, they mention that the southern Kuki-Chin languages only reached the hills around the 8th or 9th century CE. Did you encounter literature that suggest the linguistic group spread gradually from the Naga Hills?

  • @k1r4z.
    @k1r4z. Před 2 lety +2

    Can you please also do mongolic and tungustic languages?

  • @xXxSkyViperxXx
    @xXxSkyViperxXx Před 2 lety +2

    sounds like the music can apply for any map spread video of a people

    • @JcDizon
      @JcDizon Před 2 lety +3

      Yeah. It doesn't sound ethnic at all so it could fit anywhere on these mapping videos.

  • @zuthmani9955
    @zuthmani9955 Před 2 lety +4

    Nice one 👍👍
    Can u do one for dardic and surrounding languages?
    It would be great if you could do that

    • @arta.xshaca
      @arta.xshaca Před rokem +1

      dardic was done in the indo aryan one but it was an independent sub group there. I would love a separate vid on it.

  • @destrovskyj
    @destrovskyj Před 2 lety +1

    good job👍 i have an idea of a new video: sinitic language and vasconic languages (or pre indoeuropean languages in Europe)

  • @JcDizon
    @JcDizon Před 2 lety +8

    Umm what happened in 1:15 - 1:18? The language family diversified but everything disappeared except for Proto-Tibeto-Burman. Was that a mistake?
    Edit: My bad, I was thinking that the video is about the whole Sino-Tibetan but it's actually only about Tibeto-Burman.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +5

      Yes, it focuses on the Tibeto-Burman branch.

    • @JY-pl2nc
      @JY-pl2nc Před rokem

      RIP Chinese Language 🇨🇳🇭🇰🇲🇴🇹🇼🈚️🥟🍵🐉

    • @Furina_Is
      @Furina_Is Před rokem

      @@JY-pl2nc Poor guy Tibetan and han are one language family you need to do some research

  • @chow6004
    @chow6004 Před 2 lety +2

    Nice

  • @gtc239
    @gtc239 Před 2 lety +2

    Awesome as always!

  • @bustavonnutz
    @bustavonnutz Před 2 lety +2

    All this diversity despite being a subbranch of a larger family; quite impressive actually.

  • @ProximaCentauri88
    @ProximaCentauri88 Před 2 lety +3

    Impressive as always! I still wonder if Austroasiatic, Sino-Tibetan, Japonic, and Koreanic have a common ancestor.

    • @AnthonyBoile
      @AnthonyBoile Před 2 lety

      Austronesian

    • @littleninjavangchhia9099
      @littleninjavangchhia9099 Před 2 lety +4

      probably but too far apart from a common ancestor .

    • @kellyma2992
      @kellyma2992 Před rokem

      i do think sino-tibetan ,Austroasiatic , Austronesian and Hmong could have the same origin but not sure about Japonic, and Koreanic ,they seem quite different,

    • @arta.xshaca
      @arta.xshaca Před rokem

      very distant common ancestor.

  • @mlvluu9836
    @mlvluu9836 Před 6 měsíci

    What are your thoughts on the Trans-Himalayan southwestern origin hypothesis?

  • @Inertia.
    @Inertia. Před 28 dny

    Kirant are one of the oldest Tibeto-Burman groups.
    Kirants are said to have been ruling in the Himalayas for thousands of years with the most well documented case being that of in Nepal.
    Kirants defeated the Gopals and ruled for 1225 years between 800BC and 300AD as per the Gopalvamshavali which presents the 32 different kings of the Kirat Dynasty.

  • @henrymangsang9241
    @henrymangsang9241 Před rokem +7

    Bodo -Garo ✋, 💖

  • @subhradeepchakraborty2482

    1:17 wow what just happened there😮

    • @gtc239
      @gtc239 Před rokem +3

      OP just focusing on Tibeto-Burman.

  • @A-iw1xm
    @A-iw1xm Před 3 měsíci

    I think,
    The burmese language, maps all states /vortex configurations, which the electromagnetic cosmos of an atom can have

  • @solo3785
    @solo3785 Před rokem

    Who were Pre proto Sino Tinetan people?

  • @user-hn4qr8ty6f
    @user-hn4qr8ty6f Před 11 měsíci

    The common proto-language of Chinese and Tibetan is an ethnic language that diverged from near Myanmar.

  • @stephmod7434
    @stephmod7434 Před 2 lety +1

    Confusing. Καλό βίντεο btw.

  • @shirtsguitar
    @shirtsguitar Před 2 lety +1

    👏

  • @kannegnmy-2280
    @kannegnmy-2280 Před rokem +1

    I’m Rongmei tribe of Manipur North east India we speak Tibeto Burman language

  • @claytonbennett7797
    @claytonbennett7797 Před 4 měsíci

    Wow, this highlights how transient human (and generally mammalian) populations can be.

  • @irene6607
    @irene6607 Před rokem +1

    Ah, my people. :’)

  • @perenki
    @perenki Před 2 lety +3

    Pls algonkin languages!

  • @tonyxx4514
    @tonyxx4514 Před 2 lety +1

    yesss finally

  • @marin4311
    @marin4311 Před rokem +2

    People migrated increasingly toward South along the the millenia.

    • @arta.xshaca
      @arta.xshaca Před rokem

      You gotta get those precious rice fields because your millet fields are BETTER but your climate is WORSER.

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 Před rokem

      ​@@arta.xshacamakes sense

  • @user-mv7xi1ey4z
    @user-mv7xi1ey4z Před 2 lety +2

    Oh, I waited that Dragon Historian would make this video. But he stopped to do videos about languages

    • @xirdaish9082
      @xirdaish9082 Před 2 lety

      Same

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 Před 2 lety +3

      He doesn't stop. Just bcz he hasn't finished this video yet. He told me that the video will be likely released around next week or early June

    • @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
      @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns Před 2 lety +5

      Yes, Dragon Historian is still making language map timeline videos. He just takes his time with them, which is what we want, so he can get them right. I think he might be extra cautious after his Austroasiatic languages video was criticised by a pre-eminent scholar of Austroasiatic paleolinguistics. It would've been a very difficult video to construct, so he may be even more cautious and take more time with his research to get it right. This is good as both him and Costas seem to have a lot of integrity and pride in their work.

    • @GL-iv4rw
      @GL-iv4rw Před 2 lety

      @@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns I mean it took one comment, giving the benefit of the doubt the scholar's not a fraud/fake, to completely change his tune. The Austroasiatic video probably echoed the mainstream view

  • @tommyma941
    @tommyma941 Před rokem +1

    原始藏缅语可能来自中国甘肃省境内的“马家窑文化”,它被认为是“仰韶文化”的西北分支,仰韶文化的其它分支后来成为了汉族的祖先,原始汉语可能后来接触了苗瑶语系和南岛语系的祖语,所以汉语显得不一样。

    • @Nagi1344
      @Nagi1344 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes you are right😂

  • @Samvlogs-oi5hg
    @Samvlogs-oi5hg Před 10 měsíci +1

    I’m from this language family- Bodo language

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 Před 2 lety +6

    Awesome job! Next one, History of Tai-Kadai languages plz! I wanna see the version which contains Baiyue (includes Yue state) languages, a completely different hypothesis from other videos about TK languages👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +2

      Thank you. Kra Dai is in the future plans. Baiyue is most probably Kra-Dai, so I haven't included it in the video of the Austroasiatic.

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 Před 2 lety

      @@CostasMelas Thank you for your reply! I'm looking forward to your new videos!✌

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Před 2 lety

      Baiyue is many groups. it's most likely synonymous to the austric family hypothesis which includes austroasiatic, kra-tai, austronesian, hmong-mien, and possibly japonic

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 Před 2 lety

      @@xXxSkyViperxXx I agree, but the majority could be Tai Kadai. Baiyue was active from the 10th to 1st cen BC, while Japonic speakers (if the hypothesis of Austric is true) and Austronesians had left the East Asian continent. Austroasiatics were located in southwestern China where was called Baipu(百濮)by ancient Chinese. The main body of HmongMien was probably in the middle reaches of the Yangtze River, and they may be called Jingman(荊蠻), so Tai Kadai peoples should be located in the southeast of China. Additionally, the southeastern coastal area of China is exactly the main field of Baiyue tribes.

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Před 2 lety +2

      @@yujiang6004 the tai-kra groups are probably the most recent ones to leave the area since they were like at the center of that area around the area of pearl river delta. the southwest is where the austroasiatics were at, the hmong-mien were a little bit to the north of there, then the southeast was where the austronesians were at before sailing over to island of taiwan and beyond, then japonic might be around north of the area austronesians were, before they further went north to shandong peninsula then sailed over to liaodong peninsula then to korean peninsula then sailed over to japan

  • @se6369
    @se6369 Před rokem +1

    Any sources for Sino-Tibetan splitting up that late?

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 Před rokem

      I think most likely it split around 5000-4000BC

    • @se6369
      @se6369 Před rokem

      @@mrtrollnator123 So video is very wrong then?

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 Před rokem

      @@se6369 I don't know, maybe what I'm saying is wrong as well... I'm not saying he's wrong, but we don't know the exact date of when it split

    • @frankfleming1103
      @frankfleming1103 Před 6 dny

      @@mrtrollnator123 The Han people do not understand Tibetan, only about 8 of the 10 numbers 0-10 are barely understood, and the pronunciation is similar

  • @user-xw8et4lr2j
    @user-xw8et4lr2j Před 2 lety +1

    Can you do Hmong-mien & Yeniseian?

  • @Fummy007
    @Fummy007 Před 2 lety

    Why did the Burmese spread down into Burma?

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +3

      Do you ask about their origin or the stages of expansion?

  • @kittusinha4096
    @kittusinha4096 Před rokem +3

    The meitei migration from there reached (India Manipur) which is our land (Bishnupur) and clashed with us and they captured our culture Manipuris and our land 🙂💔.We are suffering we cant get back our land

    • @rodrozil6544
      @rodrozil6544 Před rokem +2

      Bishnupriya are indo aryans I guess?

    • @kittusinha4096
      @kittusinha4096 Před rokem

      Yes we are Indo-Aryans origin.
      Our language is Magadha prakrit.

    • @bikrammayanglambam1776
      @bikrammayanglambam1776 Před rokem +3

      Wow any evidence?? Bishnupur district in present day Manipur was under water i will say entire valley was submerged under water. Meiteis used to live in hills with Naga tribes, after the water dried in the valley we Meiteis migrated into the valley area with the concern of our naga brothers. Even today we light lamb and hang it in a pole stick so the Nagas in hills can see our presence and a symbol of brotherhood... Bishnupriya in the other hand speak a language of Meitei/Assamese/Bengali mix and consider themselves Aryan races. So my question to you is.. its scientifically proved manipur valley was submerged under water so how Bishnupriyas were the first settlers of Manipur?? Another question, Manipur is located in the far east which is far away from the Aryan dominated area and is surrounded by many tibeto-burman tribes..how can an Aryan community reside between them?? Bishnupur was named by the meitei king who accepted hinduism and build a vishnu temple and we meiteis pronounce V as B..so it was named Bishnupur. Bishnupriyas were from Sylhet, Bangladesh who were migrating to different place. On way the Meitei king captured the Bishnupriyas and were made to work as labour in Manipur. Bishnupriyas were later given meitei ladies to marry and Bishnupriyas adopted meitei culture.

    • @tato_g_boro_guy
      @tato_g_boro_guy Před rokem

      @@bikrammayanglambam1776 My guess is that bishnu priya manipuris are mix of tribals and Indo aryans just present day mainstream Assamese are mix of ahoms and indo aryans.

    • @bikrammayanglambam1776
      @bikrammayanglambam1776 Před rokem +2

      @@tato_g_boro_guy yes Bishnupriyas are Aryans from the west. They were migrating and on their way the meiteis encountered them and the kingsmen brought them in Manipur as labourers. Later they were allowed to marry Meitei girls, from there on some mongoliod blood entered into them. But they never agree with the historical fact, they always come up with their own history without any historical evidence. They would claim themselves to be the original one and meiteis as duplicate. When we see deeply, Bishnupriyas uses alot of meitei words in their language and they even started to keep meitei surnames like thangjam, leishangthem etc. Even Bishnupriyas don't know what it means since its in meitei but uses them. If they accept they migrated and accepted our tradition we won't even mind to accept them as brothers. But they want to be the owner of our culture which is the reason why we hate them.

  • @alexanderzarikov9916
    @alexanderzarikov9916 Před 2 lety +6

    Good Job!
    My ideas:
    History of:
    ▶️Tai-Kadai languages
    ▶️Koreanic languages
    ▶️Japonic languages

  • @user-lv8ny2cp9e
    @user-lv8ny2cp9e Před rokem +1

    This why i wonder ancient time burma land belong to khasi people who is mon-khmer but present day why belong to burmese.. Now i knew it.

    • @cambodianpleasuresquad1753
      @cambodianpleasuresquad1753 Před rokem +1

      not only burma but yunan used to be austro asiatic land too

    • @ZlHl1999
      @ZlHl1999 Před rokem +2

      @@cambodianpleasuresquad1753 Burma and Yunnan are not Indian Plates

  • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
    @celtofcanaanesurix2245 Před 2 lety +1

    YAY new linguistics

  • @tamsalingnetworknepal2705

    Wow tamangic oldest in the himalayas 😍😍 we have genes of yellow river both from north east asian via myanmar and tibetic from north 😍😍 but no aryan genese . Wow authentic

  • @KyawKyawBolJohnBol
    @KyawKyawBolJohnBol Před 9 měsíci

    I am Burmese😊

  • @greekmapping298
    @greekmapping298 Před 2 lety +1

    ΘΕΛΟΥΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΣΑΡΑΚΑΤΣΑΝΕΩΝ!!!!!!

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +1

      Δύσκολο θέμα. Θα ήθελα να το κάνω

    • @greekmapping298
      @greekmapping298 Před 2 lety

      @@CostasMelas ΘΑ ΤΟ ΚΑΝΕΙΣ?

  • @kutaykalender2321
    @kutaykalender2321 Před 2 lety +2

    i was surprised by the location(proto sino tibetan-south mongolia) and the year(3000 bc). my guess is location more southeast and year 5000-10000 bc.

    • @kellyma2992
      @kellyma2992 Před rokem

      the new theory is that Sino-Tibetan originally in north china , there used to be many more branches in north China, but as all those tribes (probably even include some Austronesian /Tai-kadai tribes) was united by one political power, then all those merged into one language, ancient Sino.

  • @lingoteen
    @lingoteen Před 2 lety +3

    Απλά. Μου κάνει μεγάλη εντίποση οτί ένας Έλληνας σαν κι εμένα ασχολείται με γλώσσες. Μου αρέσει γενικός η γλωσσολογία και η γεωγραφία και μου αρέσει που ηπάρχουν κανάλια που το δείχνουν αυτό. Το πιο σπουδαίο είναι οτί δεν έχω βρεί κανέναν έλληνα, πέρα από εμένα και μια φίλη της μάνας μου που είναι φιλόλογος και δουλέυει σε γραφείο για εκγικλοπαίδιες, που να το κάνει αυτό.
    Φίλε μου... respect απλά!

  • @user-tu4tf5ng1p
    @user-tu4tf5ng1p Před 4 měsíci

    In recent years,more and more Chinese scholars prefer to make bai languages and Chinese languages together, forming Chinese-Bai language group,because Bai-languages are much closer to Chinese compared with other languages in this family, and Bai languages have absorbed countless of Chinese words untill now. Therefore Bai languages are very unique in Sino-Tibetan Family. But why do you think Bai languages should be an independent branch in this language family?

  • @ChristianSannino1904
    @ChristianSannino1904 Před 6 měsíci

    Burmese changed their location

  • @pas1994ok
    @pas1994ok Před 2 lety +10

    Good video, this language family it's now in danger of extinction because their distant relatives (Sinitics) don't like minority languages and specially if they aren't Sinitic

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +1

      Thank you

    • @JcDizon
      @JcDizon Před 2 lety +9

      Maybe Tibetan could be in danger but Burmese seems to be growing and thriving.

    • @sirlancelet9167
      @sirlancelet9167 Před 2 lety +4

      It will not go extinct. there are plenty of sino tibetan languages outside of china.

    • @user-xs1fr8um5p
      @user-xs1fr8um5p Před 2 lety +1

      我们自己的方言也会慢慢消失(我的孩子只会普通话 不会晋语)

    • @Kxoy
      @Kxoy Před rokem

      @@JcDizon yeah but with that oppressing minority languages like Chin and kachin and karen etc

  • @Yona_1111
    @Yona_1111 Před 2 lety

    Давай про КОЙСАААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААНОВ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @sirius35161
    @sirius35161 Před 2 lety +2

    i want chinese languages

  • @hnaku8748
    @hnaku8748 Před rokem +1

    Source?

  • @daimyo672
    @daimyo672 Před rokem +1

    kurdish greek brother 💛❤️💚✌️🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷

  • @zengsk8059
    @zengsk8059 Před rokem +3

    I am from india 🇮🇳 Manipur, My language is sino - tibetan (Metei)
    And we all are not even real Indians. Our great ancestors were from China and mongols 🥰

  • @yujiang6004
    @yujiang6004 Před 2 lety +2

    I find that you classifies Arunachal languages as a branch of macro ST family, but I tend to another hypothesis that Arunachal branch is language isolate just like Ainuic or Basque. The SinoTibetan characteristics in Arunachal languages are probably due to long-term contact rather than a common origin. For example, most of the numbers in Kam-Tai languages are similar to Sinitic. These languages was classified as ST traditionally though, Tai-Kadai is not considered as a branch of ST family today since linguists attributed the phenomenon to language contact.

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +1

      It is very likely that Arunachal is an isolated family. There are few studies and publications on the subject so far. There are arguments for both Sino-Tibetan and isolate family.

    • @yujiang6004
      @yujiang6004 Před 2 lety

      @@CostasMelas Yes

    • @50nerds
      @50nerds Před rokem +1

      @@yujiang6004 I am a native Arunachali. In China we are classified as ethnic minority 珞巴. But here in Arunachal we refer to ourselves “Tani “ which is further divided into sub-tribes each with their own dialects. Tani language is definitely Sino/Tibetan family but it has been influenced of other unknown language groups of people who’ve been assimilated by the Sino/Tibetan Tani people. Koro and Milang are two such languages of unknown origin, the people speaking Koro and Milang are very few now and have been assimilated with the Tani group. In other words Sino Tibetan Tani people after migrating from China to Arunachal assimilated the non sino-Tibetan speaking Koro and Milang people and absorbed some their vocabulary as well as culture which is why Tani language might sound like an isolate language, that being said there are lot cognates in Tani language with the Tibeto/Burman and sinitic language like Mandarin Chinese. The cognates are not a result of long term contact with Sino/Tibetan speaking people because Arunachal was an isolated place up to until late 1960s, the tribes here lived in relative isolation from each other and only had nominal trade relations with the Tibetans to the north and Dai- ahoms to the south in Assam. So the distinctiveness of Tani language is not due to long term contact with other Sino Tibetan speakers but due the relative long centuries of isolation and assimilation of other non Sino Tibetan groups such as Koro and Milang
      While Tani Language family happens to be the largest in Arunachal there are other Tibeto Burman languages in Arunachal such too such as Monpa which belong to the Bodic group under Tibeto/Burman; The Singpho/jingpho and Lisu which belong to Sal group under Tibeto Burman; The Tangsa, Nocte and Wancho which belong to Konyak group under Tibeto Burman. Besides that there are also Dai speaking group such as the Dai-Khampti people.
      Living aside the Monpa who are from Bhutan all of the Tibeto/Burman minority groups in Arunachal have migrated to their present location from the northeast direction through Sichuan and Yunnan following the route of the Tsangpo river or its tributaries. My DNA results show I am 84 % percent northern Han Chinese. I think proto-Han Chinese would be the right term because Tani people have a high percentage( 94%) of the Y DNA haplogroup O-M122 which is said to be the founding paternal haplogroup of Han Chinese and other sintic people. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M122

  • @tonyxx4514
    @tonyxx4514 Před 2 lety

    wait chinese?

  • @ioruler9896
    @ioruler9896 Před rokem +2

    tibetoburman language is in danger

  • @dhtfsw2237
    @dhtfsw2237 Před 2 lety +1

    Just bantu languages, please

  • @Skikdii
    @Skikdii Před 2 lety +1

    @Costas Melas you spread fake information you did many mistakes in some of your videos I comment but you don't answer

    • @CostasMelas
      @CostasMelas  Před 2 lety +2

      Could you point out some mistakes. Feedback is helpful to improve.

    • @Skikdii
      @Skikdii Před 2 lety

      @@CostasMelas For exemple in the video of writing systems you made you missed many many alphabets especially in Arabia and your colorization is always innacurate

  • @origzin313
    @origzin313 Před rokem +1

    I don't belive this fake, how could chinese and tibetan are from one language

    • @ZlHl1999
      @ZlHl1999 Před rokem

      😓😓😓

    • @lenguyenxuonghoa
      @lenguyenxuonghoa Před rokem +3

      If you compare some basic vocabularies among Tibetan, Burmese and Chinese, you will find somewhat similar between them.

    • @gtc239
      @gtc239 Před rokem

      Oh please, Sino-Tibetan are accepted by practically all linguists except the one you're following probably.

    • @mrtrollnator123
      @mrtrollnator123 Před rokem

      They used to be one language thousands of years ago, and the Chinese and tibetan languages share some common features

  • @Warlock-enjoyer
    @Warlock-enjoyer Před 2 lety +1

    So Tibetan and Burmese are relate??

  • @user-bg4wl3rj6j
    @user-bg4wl3rj6j Před rokem +2

    Love from china😂

  • @zachchen9564
    @zachchen9564 Před rokem +3

    Making a video of Sino-Tibetan langauge is very difficult job because
    1. We still don’t exactly know where did the Sino Tibetan come from.
    2. We still don’t know when and where that Proto Sinitic and Proto Tibeto Burmese separate
    3. Even though Sino-Tibetan is widely accepted but there are some linguists don’t agree with the concept of Sino Tibetan they believe Chinese and Tibeto Burmese are not related. Btw, there is a unpopular and non mainstream theory is Chinese is a creole language

    • @JHenry906
      @JHenry906 Před rokem

      1

    • @user-jj6mx3tc1g
      @user-jj6mx3tc1g Před rokem

      The earliest unearthed bones of Han Tibetans can be found in the middle and upper reaches of the Yellow River from the eastern Qinghai-Tibet Plateau to the southern Loess Plateau ~

  • @iberianslivestreams9597
    @iberianslivestreams9597 Před 2 lety +5

    Tibetan originated in China, ironic

    • @matteopangia2232
      @matteopangia2232 Před 2 lety +13

      bro, there was no china in 3000 bc

    • @iberianslivestreams9597
      @iberianslivestreams9597 Před 2 lety +5

      @@matteopangia2232 I mean the geographical region

    • @mycarima3497
      @mycarima3497 Před 2 lety +11

      lots of family languages originated in china

    • @GL-iv4rw
      @GL-iv4rw Před 2 lety +1

      China is a cradle of agriculture, being the origin of most East Asian and South East Asian ethnicities

    • @xXxSkyViperxXx
      @xXxSkyViperxXx Před 2 lety +9

      families like sino-tibetan, austroasiatic, kra-tai, austronesian, hmong-mien, japonic, etc all likely came from the region where china is now. its likely why china been a battleground for millennia

  • @Eterealgames
    @Eterealgames Před 2 lety +1

    Bruh

  • @kedevy
    @kedevy Před 2 lety

    Burm

  • @Boots_n_cats
    @Boots_n_cats Před 6 měsíci

    某些帝国主义者觉得英国占领过西藏西藏就不是中国的也是挺好笑的。