Dene-Yeniseian Languages
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2022
- Dené-Yeniseian Languages, Na-Dene, Yeniseian, Athabaskan, Tlingit, Eyak, Apachean, Ket, Yugh, Kott, Assan, Arin, Pumpokol
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fun fact: before the last eyak speaker dies, she made a eyak dictionary, hoping that the language can be revived soon
wow I never knew that
@@Shrey_Shrek I read that on my book
@@littleantukins4415 nice
That's pretty based of her.
Do you have a link?
It’s cool that the ancient connection between the old and new world can be found linguistically.
And archaeologically. Based on strong similarities in material culture between the people on both sides of the Bering Strait we're aware of two large-scale migrations, the Dene migration around ~4000 BC, and a second Paleo-Eskimo migration ~2500 BC. And since the first humans set foot in North America, there have been people sailing between Chukotka and Kamchatka in the West, and the Seward Peninsula and Aleutian Islands in the East. With the invention of the Umiak around ~500 AD, such voyages became far more common, when Europeans reached the strait, they stumbled upon millenia old trade routes between Asia and North America.
It's surprising to me how little known this is, we've known of cross-strait migrations, trade, and interactions since we've known about the strait itself. But there's still this popular notion that the people of Alaska and Chukotka somehow didn't know about eachother, and that the Americas were completely cut off from the rest of the world.
The connection is hypothetical.
@@sert87 there's also a DNA link between the groups that was found afterwards
@@p00bix When people mention the pre-colonial Americas, they're usually thinking of either the Mayans, Aztecs or Incas who have managed to garner the most attention in the public conscience. This is why aboriginal relations with Siberians are overlooked, as these three civilisations had minimal interactions with each other, let alone abroad, whereas everything north of Mexico is imagined as non-urban tribal migratory societies - in other words, savages. Pretty big shame really, especially when you look at the mound builders and the Puebloans, not to mention the aforementioned cross-straight relations.
You have to remember that there was more than one Pre-Columbian migration from Asia to the Americas. This represents one of the last, if not the last one before Columbus.
I like the fact that now you don't abruptly end the video when we reach the current year! Helpful for seeing the current distribution of the languages. Amazing.
Same!
The history of this language family is very interesting but also very sad
Birth and death are equally natural. All what was born must die.
Kinda wild to think about that Yeniseian people of Jie group used to be the ruling dynasty of Xiongnu-led Former Zhao dynasty during Sixteen Kingdoms period in 5:23
There's some skepticism, but the possible connection between the Dene and Yeniseian languages is super interesting. That the Apaches and the (temporary) rulers of ancient China, and even possibly the Huns might all be part of the same language family is wild to imagine, and the fact that academics are warming a lot to the idea is exciting.
Turkic
@@umashi4437 Altaic
@@pentelegomenon1175 I said Turkic, they were Turkic and that is accepted among most scholars.
@@pentelegomenon1175 Altaic was discredited long ago
it's heart breaking to see some languages became extinct :(
But pacific coast athabaskan, and the apachean languages are still holding on
Navajo are largest speakers
Languages like people are earthborn. Only protons in this universe are almost immortal.
I’ve been studying the Dene and Yeniseians lately, one of the coolest linguistic connections IMO. Can you do a video on the Nivkh potentially? If possible I mean, as there’s very little traceable history there, as they are even more obscure than the Ainu.
I would probably include it in a more general video for Paleosiberian languages, such i have made with the Caucasian groups
@@CostasMelas Ah okay. I’m worried in a video like that it’d be so small and insignificant you can’t see it.
Also can you do a video eventually on the ethnic transition of Kosovo or Istanbul eventually?
@@CostasMelas I would personally definitely be interested in a video on the Paleosiberian Languages. If I'm not mistaken, they previously inhabited even as far south as the Amur before being displaced by Tungusic and other peoples.
@@CostasMelas When man?
@@arta.xshaca my assumption is around 3-4 or maybe 5 weeks from now (depending on when the production will begin and how much time would be spent on the production daily)
My dad grew up in the north of Siberia during the Soviet era and he said that once he was sitting at the same school desk with a girl from the Ket people.
The number of the Ket people is 1219! Number of people who know the Ket language - 213 (2010)
He told about this because it was unpleasant for him to sit at the same school desk, because these people have a specific smell of the skin! (They don't wash because of the cold climate)!
I feel sorry for these people, because civilization destroyed them. The Soviet authorities forcibly took away children from the families of the small peoples of Russia, so they began to forget their language, culture, and uniqueness. Many of them drink alcohol today, "thanks" to communism.
Also, my dad had a friend from the Ket people, but one day this man was killed by a bear 😬 And the bears and the communists were against them :(
Alcohol and beard sound Russian
Was this in turukhansk?
Now we got into Siberian and Northern American languages (Starting with the Dene-Yeniseian hypothesis). It is interesting to see how the Athabaskans migrated further into present-day U.S.A. and Canada, specially with the Apachean migration in the late 1st millenium/early 2nd millenium AD. Maybe in the next videos we can see the evolution of other Siberian and American indigenous languages, good work yet again!
Thank you
Idk why some recently migrated to the main USA part
I love how the languages grew in size and diversity with so much prosperity...
*Until*
NO ONE EXPECTED SPANISH INQUISITION
White people 🫢🫢
When Rome crumbled Dene-Yeniseian langages thrived
This is so cool. I hope that the Ket language can find a way to survive
please make the history of the tupi-guarani languages, the indigenous languages of brasil
Yeah Please!!!
You can find video about Tupí-Guaraní languages on my channel.
@@iroquoianmapper thats nice, i made this comment 7 months ago and you made it 6 hours ago
Yep. I see you are interesting in it.
People watching this video, please keep in mind the connection between Yeniseian languages and Na-Dene languages is still debated. It's a cool video nonetheless.
I’m wondering would the itelmen language, a chukotko Kamchatkan language, have been influenced by an unknown na-dene substrate language, given that how sharply it is different from the other in the terms of grammar and phonetics?
The connection is difficult because in addition to Dene the Eskimo-Aleut, Chukotko-Kamchatkan and Nivkh peoples met around Chukotka.
great video, i love this channel because it covers the history of language families
Thank you
@@CostasMelas you're welcome
Wow that is sad that the Yenisei languages are almost dead in Russia:(
Russian Empire with russification destroyed the beautiful languages there... sad :(
@@destrovskyj I'm russian, dude -______-
@@user-xg9yg8kg7i and? 😅
@@user-xg9yg8kg7i i dont hate russia, i love russian language and culture but russian empire there applied "russification"
@@destrovskyj Thanks! Almost everyone with whom I talked and who started talking about Russification were, to put it mildly, not the most pleasant personalities :)
this theoretical group is nuts, so important if it's true and there is a proven link between old and new world languages, even just the Yeniseian
First read a little. Vajda's works for example. It's proven enough.
@@maciejkulczycki3882 As a linguistics student I will make sure to read Edward Vajda
@@maciejkulczycki3882 There have been reservations published since Vajda's works. It's still heavily debated.
@@Mercure250 : You can use your own judgement. Or maybe not.
@@maciejkulczycki3882 My own judgement says that it's debatable. There you go.
Thank you!
What's also interesting is that the Dene Yenisean people have the highest amounts of ancient north eurasian dna, the ket people having the highest amounts of ANE.
IIRC, the link between the Yeniseian and the Na-Dene languages is still hotly disputed among professional linguists, and, while I cannot speak for my fellow linguistics-interested-laymen, as for me, the link sounds a bit far fetched. Nevertheless, this was an amazing video. I also apologize for forgetting to make a similar comment in the last two linguistics videos.
Thank you very much. True, the Yeniseian-Dene connection has several arguments in favor, but it remains open and relatively dubious
The argument is pretty convincing, check this out czcams.com/video/7M0QnAqQUmw/video.html
Its so intresting seeing how related the Siberian and North American people are, makes you wonder if they every traded and knew of each other
They did. We've found archeological evidence of both heavy migration across the Bering Strait, and trade routes across the Bering.
Check out the Amaknak Bridge site on Unalaska Island and the "hotstone" heating system the natives used for their dwellings three thousand years ago.
People were definitely sharing ideas and technology.
Very interesting! Please continue mapping for some of the lesser known language families.
this is awesome!!
Thank you
Incredible
an unexpected surprise but a very welcome one, I hope you do the other branches of Sino-Tibetan but native american languages are really cool to
Thank you
Dene-Yeniseian connection is a hypothesys. It wasn't proven
Would love to see one for Algonquian!
An exellent video again.
Thank you
I’ve ever read a proposal that links Dené-Yeniseian with Sino-Tibetan but it needs more researches. This is associated with human migration where the Dené-Yeniseians originated in North Asia and brought their languages to America while the other native American groups (except the Eskimos) reached America much earlier when they still communicated without languages, then started verbal communication in America after they spred over the continent that’s why each groups had their own language families, not related to each other. Interesting.
Wholesome 100 Beringia Crossover
This is the most interesting one!
Great video.
Thank you
In the civilized world, we write the minus sign before negative numbers.
I personally stand with the theory that the Yeniseian langauges got there from a migration further west and separated from Na-Dene in Kazakhstan with Na-Dene going on to the new world with Yeniseian was around where the Botai languages are today.
This video omits the Tuniit (Dorset culture), which were the people that lived in Far Northern America before the Inuit arrived from Siberia. We don't know that much about them but they were likely Dené.
Please give us a clue (by labels) on the map, which geography is being represented on the screen. Thank you
It is crazy to think that the Huns and the Avars might have spoken a Yeniseian language relative to the Apache that reached Central Europe.
Altais and Dene-Yeniseians would have same roots? On what do you base your knowledge?
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@@konymielony2364 what a fringe theory
@@papazataklaattiranimam I ask him about it, i dont have any theory
@@konymielony2364
1-Altaic is sprachbund not an actual language family.
2-Even Yeniseians and Denes being related is just a mere speculation.
It’s mindblowing to think that people actually did pass trough the frozen Bering strait. I mean, these people must be the water nation from the avatar lol.
It happened three times (first most Native Amer. then these people and then Eskimo-Aleut people) before European entered the scene. Fascinating to know!
I believe at the time the area around what would become the Bering strait was one of the (comparatively) warmer parts of the world due to how currents were with the lower sea level.
Sea levels were about at their modern levels. They used boats, the crossing was still really dangerous and fairly long for the time
This is a fun one.
Amazing
Thank you
Mr. Melas, you do an amazing work regarding the spread of religious belief systems as well as Language Families!
Thank you very much
Beautiful maps and music but scientifically highly speculative !
can you do history of amerindian languages
That was unexpected but nonetheless a great video, just one question, are you sure about the dates? As far as I am aware of Dene-Yeniseian split much earlier, just after the end of the last Ice age or even around that period which is in part what makes the reconstruction of a Proto-Dene-Yeniseian difficult
Thank you. The most sources connects the Dene-Yeniseian group with the Syalakh culture that started to disperse around 4500 BC
@@CostasMelas I see, thanks for the info Costas
It is surprising how a human population lived in North -Eastern Siberia around the 4700's BC !
Question! What source did you mainly used for this project? (if you refered informations from youtube video or any documentation, can you share the link or name?)
Mid-Holocene Language Connections between Asia and North America - Edward Vajda, Michael Fortescue, Language Relations Across The Bering Strait-Michael Fortescue, The Oxford Handbook of the Prehistoric Arctic - T. Max Friesen, Owen K. Mason and some scholar articles mainly from Edward Vajda, Michael Fortescue and Alexander Vovin
@@CostasMelas I see. Thank you for your hard work.
Κωστα αυτοι ειναι κατι σαν Ιθαγγενεις Αμερικανοι σρην Αλασκα και στγν Σιβηρια η στην Σιβηρια ειναι γηγενης μογγολογενης η κατι παρομοιο ?
Πρόκειται μάλλον για το 2ο κύμα μετανάστευσης από τη Σιβηρία στην Αμερική. Οι Να-Ντενέ έχουν χαρακτηριστικά που θυμίζουν περισσότερο τους Αμερικάνικους πληθυσμούς.
Pretty interesting language family 😮
Though the relationship between Na-Dene and Yeniseian isn't entirely proven.
Wonder has there been any folklore stories written or spoken about woolly mammoths by them? 🤔
RIP Eyak
Nice nice nice
Thank you
Imagine how the siberians and americans reacted when they found out about each other
Its languages very good and very sad both time
Do you think Xiongnu (匈奴) spoke a sort of Yeniseian language? Is Xiongnu connected with Turkic or Yeniseian? I tend to the view that most of Xiongnu speakers were Turkic. What is your opinion?
It was probably a confederation with Turkic, Tungusic, Mongolic and Yeniseian elements..
@@CostasMelas Thank you for your reply! The hypothesis of the multiethnic tribal confederation may be more rigorous than the single nation, but the ruling class Luandi clan could speak Proto-Turkic
The ruling class and most of Xiongnu spoke Turkic. Chinese sources say that the Yueban kingdom (remnants of the Northern Xiongnu) spoke a Turkic language. Absolutely nothing Yeniseian, this is even discredited by genetics.
@@umashi4437 Chinese sources reported that Xiongnu and Tiele languages were mutually intelligible.
@@CostasMelas this is like saying Ancient Macedonians were mixture of Illyrian, Thracian, Pelasgian, Dacian and Hellenic peoples
How do you decline the verb "to be based" in Modern Greek?
Mid-Holocene Language Connections between Asia and North America - Edward Vajda, Michael Fortescue
Language Relations Across The Bering Strait - Michael Fortescue
The Oxford Handbook of the Prehistoric Arctic - T. Max Friesen, Owen K. Mason
and scholar articles of Edward Vajda, Michael Fortescue and Alexander Vovin
As a Greek it's either "να έχεις βάση" or "να είσαι βασισμένος", though the first one is better imo
According to most scholars specially experts like Shimunek Jie were Turkic speakers rather than Yeniseic.
su-Ø kete-r erkan
boklug-gu tukta-ŋ
Aga burada ne yapıyorsun sen ya ? Bu herif tam bir yalancı . Bir de yazın çevrilmiyor .
While that may be true, I believe based on hydronymic evidence that a significant part of the Xiongnu were Yeniseian. The Xiongnu were a steppe confederacy, and it is common for such states to have more than one language, for example the Golden Horde with both Mongolian and Kipchak Turkic. Based on current evidence it is acceptable to say that the Xiongnu were a mixture of Oghur Turkic and Pumpokolic Yeniseian.
I am not suprised a bit. According to scholars,everything and everyone was Turk.Turks were da best
Even the god was a turk
Очень жаль что эти языки вымирают
Eskimo-Aluet languages plz
You can find video about Eskimo Aleut languages on my channel.
What about Navajo?
It is member of the Apachean branch
Saddest decline ever fr like if you’re a true Dene warrior 😢☝🏽☝🏽
From Yeniseian language i found only text from Ket language, here text:
Anari tam Qores', a ben, ben, anari boqon mordushka lyonlyubet, abas' boqon d'oŋ qimsen qoget yks' tan, qat boqon na'n' at kaynem, mordushka na'n' at kaynem
I always assumed that this language family existed as far back as the Ice Age.
you are indonesian
Humans crossed to America many times, not just in the Ice Age.
I didn’t know Apaches were from Alaska.
6:34 Russian and English prevail over other languages
Messier88'i çok seviyorum .
@@turklersibiryalidir7332 Türkçe İspanyolca bilmiyorum lütfen *Google çeviri XD kullanıyorum*
Pre-Inuit people of all North American Arctica and Greenland can be Na-Dene-speaking too
Probably proto Dene-Yenissean had some connection with Paleosiberian languages and possibly Eskimo-Aleut languages.
Na Dane Native American: how the hell that we live among the chinese?
Eskimos: he he
wow they sure did spread really long ago in ancient biblical times
Where was Navajo?
They belong to the Apachean language group
@@CostasMelas Thanks.
History of the uto aztecan languages
Soon I will also go to America
So that means people were migrating from Asia to America 4000 years ago as well?
They were the second wave, after the Amerindians and before the Eskimo-Aleuts
Are Yeniseian people Mongoloid peoples or Caucasoid peoples??
Mixed (more Caucasoid than Mongoloid)
@@Andriy-ym1pr По моему так и есть "енисейская раса".
They are Caucasoids and their haplogroup Q genetically related to R
I WANT ESKIMO-ALEUT!
You can find video about Eskimo Aleut languages on my channel.
Dene-Yeniseian is hypothesised to be related to Sino-tibetan right?
I’ve heard that was a theory, though it’s less accepted than Dene-Yenisian by far
The family began to decline in Siberia long before the Russians began colonising it...😳
Tungusic migrations probably
1553-1863
@@user-ok9dc5qt8d that was russian colonization of siberia, he was talking before that
@@mackycabangon8945 Ecrivez en Russe SVP
@@mackycabangon8945 not only Russian but also Yakut from south to north
Interesting that he didn’t mention the eradication of Athabaskan people by mercenaries in Siberia
Να πω την αλήθεια δεν είχα ιδέα για αυτές τις γλώσσες... Μπορείς να κάνεις ένα update στην Ελληνικιά γλώσσα;
Funny seeing you here, Putlerite.
@@Bepples your life is funny.
@@stephmod7434 ????
@@giorgospapoutsakis5271 τι;
Hello
I first heard of them from Historians Craft and he mispronounced them so bad I was unable to find them. Its jenisejan not freaking jinīzian.
First.
Long live Beringia!
Very good. I do feel the beginning was around 10000 bc and the homeland to be in beringia
Thank you
can you do paleo-balkan and turanic (ural-altaic) languages pls
Paleo-Balkan, ok, but Altaic is pretty much disproven, rejected by the majority of linguists, let alone Turanian.
@@Mercure250 not all tho like me I believe they all were together and split apart in nowadays Mongolia
@@adnan_honest_jihadist5775 The proofs for it are very dubious, and when you go back in time, those families look LESS alike, suggesting different origins, but that they heavily influenced each other with time.
@@Mercure250 i can explain that too they all split and got into different regions of the world from mongolia then they started to have their own seperate languages making them all different from each other but from time to time they got closer and closer again like when they were together in mongolia and siberia this is what probably most likely happened if you disagree then youre dumb and nationalistic against turanic people
Still waiting for the afro-asitic family
so did xiongnu people speak a yeniseian language ??
I marked a Yeniseian influence with stripes. Most likely Xiongnu was a confederation of Geniseian, Turkic, Mongol and Tungusic peoples such as the Hunnic Horde
@@CostasMelas xiongnu isn't huns
@@CostasMelas what about the language spoken by Chanyu?
@@user-xw8et4lr2j lol Hun is a turk/Moghol/churcen federation -_-
@@CostasMelas Xiongnu were Turkic people from Altai mountains and closely related to Tiele, Uyghur, Kyrgyz, Huns, Onogurs, Dingling, Yueban, Bulgar etc.
There is no solid evidence for tungusic, mongolic or yeniseic claim.
一万年くらい昔に、逆に北米から来たって聞いてるんだけど？
Native Americans did not migrate all at once but there have been multiple waves of migrations, mainly 3 big ones.
The migration of thr Na-Dene speakers into North America was the 2nd big wave, the 3rd was that of the Eskimo-Aleut speakers
@@julianfejzo4829 ケット人は、北米大陸からユーラシア大陸に移ってきたと聞いてますが？
@1963 TATANKA there was a theory that suggested a back-migration into Asia but I don't think it is considered valid anymore
@@julianfejzo4829 中国の五胡十六国時代の羯って民族がケット人だったという説もありますね。
İs this language related to Turkish?
Nope
Lol
Hayır !!!!!!
@@user-ok9dc5qt8d tamam be ya
La langue ket c'est une langue yeniseian, y-li-a seulement 100 peoples qui parlent cette langue
КОЙСААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААААНЫ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks English French and Russian I guess...
Also shor and khakas languages
And other siberian tribes.
Pas de quoi
Is this a theory or already proven by language scientists?
'Cause as far as I know, this is only a theory, but maybe the science developed in the last couple of years...
In fact, it remains controversial but has many arguments in favor
Make video about Altaic(Transeurasian) languages
Altaic is sprachbund not even a language family
@@papazataklaattiranimam recent studies have made a new hypothesis
@@user-mv7xi1ey4z not even widely accepted
I wait for Kra-dai and Dravidian
Why not invent a history of languages and make a video about this?
Aha aradığım yorum . Bu adam tarihi uyduruyor . Aynı dedeleri gibi .
Turks: alhamdulchina
The word Athabaskan is in Turkish. The meaning of Athabaskan is Ata means father.Baskan Meaning of president.
Purely coincidental.
@@Nastya_07 No, it is not just the similarity of words, but also the similarities in their lifestyles and their own similarities, this is not a coincidence.
@@TUNC66 1 - Athabaskans don't actually call themselves Athabaskan, this name is an Anglicized version of a Cree placename.
2 - Similar lifestyles don't determine language.
@@Nastya_07
I think there is a problem understanding what you are saying, why? Historians are absolutely sure that this people have a connection with the people of Siberia, and I am not saying these, world Historians are saying this. If you are not a historian, why are you still implying the opposite?
@@TUNC66 Just because Native Americans are related to Siberians it doesn't mean they are Turkic, genetics do not fully correspond with languages.
Plus, North Siberian Turks (Sakha and Dolgan) only migrated north during the middle ages.
Athabaskan is like Ata (Ancestor) and Baskan (leader, president) in turkish :)
Türk dillerinin milada yakın bir tarihte oluştuğunu iddia eden bir adam ne olduğu belirsiz bir dil ailesinin 7000 yıl önce oluştuğunu nereden biliyor ?
🤣
Nasılsın bakalım ?
@@user-ok9dc5qt8d bomba gibiyim bebeyim .
@@turklersibiryalidir7332 Karadeniz, , Вaş, Yeşil çay büyük fincan, Ben Rus'um, Balık, Nerede, Su, Dağ .........Finish !!!!!!!
Yenisey is a river in Saka a.r. Russia. Yenisey is Turkish male name. Saka language is in Altay-Turk language familly (AT 31). Kanada has meaning in Turkish Kan-ada Blood island, and Alaska Ala-saka White saka, i think Al/Ala was im old Turkish White. Athabaskan Ata-baskan Ata old turkish Father. baskan President.
@Amaçsız Kişi boş konuşma amaçsız amaçsız, Kelimeler Türkçe'den Türemiş işte
Yeni means "New" in Turkish
@Ka1 I don't think so.
This is the origin country of all Turks. North of Baykal.
I can understand the language of Saka-People.
no relation, likely a borrowing.