Labour's Lost Decade: Why They Just Keep Losing
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 28. 12. 2022
- Labour had three leaders in the last decade, each with their own vision for the party. So why did the country reject all three? What does this mean for Labour and can they expect to ever get back into Number 10 Downing Street?
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Thank goodness the "economy party" has been in charge this whole time. Can you imagine the economy being terribly handled?
lol, humour?
You forgot to add ...
I'm just glad we have a 'strong and stable' government running things.
I don't need to imagine I grew up under three terms of labour.
@@JwayT wasnt even a good labour government but it was leagues better than any Tory one.
Is it not ironic that Labour have the perception of not being trusted with the economy because of the Bankers crash, which was not their fault and Sunak was one of the Bankers that did actually crash the economy. Yet Sunak is looked as as being good with economy.
Sound money Tories said đ€Ł
Mind spilling the beans? I have no idea what Sunak did back then
Democracy needs a well informed, educated populous to thrive.
Bankers generally are better with economics lol, 2008 was both an exception and not caused by a single point of failure like bankers
"Not their fault"? It happened on their watch. Either you are in charge or your not. As Chancellor, Gordon Brown promoted light regulation of the banking sector and relied on them not to exploit that trust to line their own pockets. As Prime Minister, he found out how well that went.
Labour lost in 2019 because they were shifty about Brexit. Boris Johnson just kept saying "Get Brexit Done" and he looked like he had a plan. He absolutely didn't, but he acted like he did, and that was all it took.
Yet everyone already knew Johnson was a serial liar and that Brexit was not as simple as he pretended.
Comfortable lies over uncomfortable truths.
Forde report/Labour files.
Have you heard of it?
And I'm sure bot farming Tory propaganda online before Xmas 2019 didn't make a slightest impact..
How did brex( shit) turn out
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@@gerryburntwood9617
About as well as could be expected given the Toriesâ record.
Labour lost because of bitter factionalism sabotaging the party hope that helps đ
2010, the party just had its day, it was seen as old and past it.
2015, the Scottish referendum cost them almost their entire Scottish base, 40 seats in total. Plus nobody had any real confidence in Ed Miliband as a leader.
2017: Too much in fighting, and a split in the party between the left and centre.
2019: Brexit, plus the accusations of anti-semitism and the spilt within in the party.
This video really rushes through the explanation too much. They skipped through some of the key things like what you've mentioned. It's like they limit it to whatever is considered to cause the least backlash from mainstream right wing voices on TV.
It's also inaccurate that they talk as if its mainly starmer when the tories imploded hard and switched pms too much.
Even with those 40 Scottish seats, the Conservatives would still have a majority
Ive never understood this "Labour need Scotland" attack line. The Comservatives are winning parliamentary majorities despite having no seats in Scotland (well, barely any).
It's Northern and middle England which Labour need to win back
I have always wanted to vote Labour but I cannot now because Starmer only wants to appeal to the Alf Garnett end of the voting base.
Bit silly to call a small group of right wing New Labourites outright sabotaging the election against May in the HQ "division" .
Electorally it was incredibly close, making this even more upsetting.
@@Matthew-bu7fg There's a big difference in terms of seats between a Conservative majority and a Labour majority. It doesn't just flip from one to the other and Labour leading a minority government / coalition would be really tricky
2010 Labour is similar to 2022 Conservatives. Theyâre done and people are fed up of them. The tories are still going to act like they know how to run the economy but looking at the front page of the Mail this morning, it looks like even theyâre starting to turn in the conservative economic plans
Yeah, i can agree with this.
Yep. I will be surprised if Labour don't win the next election. Unfortunate really... I don't the they are going to make things any better.
And it's how politics will continue evermore....this has happened everytime in British politics. Conservatives get in, last a few terms because there really isn't anything else to vote for - then people just get fedup and want a change... bring in labour. Labour has had one successful stint at wining more than 1 term and that was when they became moderate conservatives(small c) under Blair.... then people got bored - Conservatives win 3 terms in a row...Now we are bored again.
That, plus lecturing other parties about running the economy when you've just had Liz Truss in charge isn't exactly a good look
Indeed. Eventually everything has an expiration date
wait, are we gonna just ignore the EU referendum promise Cameron made during the 2015 election? That definitely gained him more votes than he would've expected
Ah yes the promise that followed the promise to Scottish people in 2014 that the "only way to stay in the EU is to vote No".Then he pursued the referendum anyway, all to appease UKIP voters and with so much arrogance that he presumed a Remain win. That worked well.
if you remove the campaign of lies about how brexit would be great then it would have gained him nothing, fact. if you showed those popple how brexits gone and how its done the opposite of what was promised theyd have voted remain, fact
@@XeNeXX Of course, but it still doesn't change the fact that this strategy worked. The reason I pointed that out is because not taking into account external factors and what the Tories did in each election could lead us to very wrong conclusions about Labour's performance. That's not to say Miliband would've won without Cameron's promises, but the electoral map could've been different enough that the subsequent election would've looked very different
The Referendum promise was largely due to the large numbers who were flocking to UKIP's banner. Despite not getting any seats, UKIP got nearly 4 million votes and the Tories wanted a slice of that. 2010 has been so tight as to require the ConDem coalition to win, but getting some, let alone most, of those UKIP ones back in 2015 would mean they didn't need Clegg any more.
It is also worth remembering, Cameron tried to get out of that promise in early 2016 by asking the EU to temporarily suspend the "free movement of people" clause of EU membership - he appeared to believe he could have then spun his way out of the Referendum promise if they had - but the EU laughed him out of the room. As a result, the Referendum happened and Leave won, so to a certain way of looking at it the EU did it to themselves.
Actually that's fairly debatable, after he made the promise of the pledge in 2013 in the hope of staving off a flow from ukip, ukip still peaked in popularity at the 2014 European parliament elections, Ukips popularity came from it being a wierd protest party of labour promises with a Tory voice, if it truly was all about the EU then odds are people would've flocked to the Tories in the subsequent EU parliament
Perception for Labour is difficult when much of the print media is effectively Conservative propaganda.
But print media readership has fallen materially.
You'll have to come up with another monster under the bed.
I would say the media is more champagne socialist propaganda; gay rights and abortion and immigration are all wonderful, but let's not go crazy with taxes.
@Alex R-T
Agree.
TV news does an OK job being left right neutral but is blatantly socially liberal biased. Except for channel 4 which is openly left-wing so at least transparent.
And this is why Labour loses elections...it's always a conspiracy or someone else's fault. Never that their own policies might not be what the electorate wants.
@@danielwebb8402 If you check out leighborough university media report on the 2019 general election you will see that UK TV is not unbiased at all. It is less severe than print but there is still a significant right wing bias on most channels.
For instance one of the things they looked at was coverage of the different parties now compared to when Labour was in power. It was found that the Tories got way more coverage relative to what Labour got back then. The coverage was also relatively more positive and incredibly negative. They do a score based on how negative or positive coverage is and Tories got +4 while Labour had -91.
Labour provided a decade of economic growth, rising living standards & making Britain a success on the world stage. Yet the Conservatives used their client media to successfully gaslight the whole country by blaming Labour for the global financial crisis. They repeatedly claimed this somehow meant Labour were bad at economic management, despite Labour successfully getting us through the GFC without imposing the kind of austerity cuts the Conservatives immediately brought in. Under the Conservatives we've had 12 years of economic mediocrity, looking like a clown show on the world stage and drastically falling living standards.
Agreed re the financial crisis, but Labour did a TERRIBLE job of defending itself against these accusations.
The growth was caused by low interest rates from central banks at the time. The credit should largely go to them, not Labour. Although they did not trigger the 08 crash, their financialization policy made it so that they were so heavily connected to the industry and the country took a very hard hit. This did not help with austerity policies introduced in the aftermath under Brown. Labour are better than the Tories and were better with the economy, but this "decade of economic growth" thing Labour supposedly caused is just not there.
UK gdp beg to differ
@@hschsc1300 then growth should have been higher under the conservative premiership with interest rates even lower, and globally lower rates helping to boost trade. Oh that didnât happenâŠ
Have you forgotten the Iraq war?
Ironic that labour is not trusted with money for considering how bad the economy has got in the last decade
Here here! It's the friggin' Tories who can never be trusted with the economy. Look at what Truss did! Look what Johnson did. Absolutely incompetent and clueless.
The quote en quote "classicalism and Reaganomics" of conservatism has literally been left behind by economics since Keynes which was in the 1940s. Its literally bullshit at this point it gets proven wrong in study after study.
Thats the myth ,supported by the Murdoch gutter press As for the intelligence of the apathetic electorate in general---er ---We wont go there
Doing the best in Europe at the moment - whilst Birmingham (labour run) is bankrupt
The right wing have broken all borrowing records.
Has to also be highlighted that Jeremy Corbyn in his 2017 election had the management team in his own party plotting his demise. Labour isn't just ineffectual or looked on as such, but it's also frankly so divided that it's hard to get a mandate the base and the bureaucracy can agree with.
They were still at it in 2019 too.
He had a massive disadvantage from the start - few Labour staff with experience working in the leaders office or senior head office positions were willing to work with him so he had to take on new people and waste funds duplicating jobs that existed in head office. Through Blair, Brown and Miliband there was a lot of continuity and even those who hadn't worked for a leader had at least served ministers/shadow ministers. Corbyn had spent his whole career on the back bench so both he and his staff couldn't avoid a lot of simple mistakes.
Labour is getting hijacked by conservatives and until they are kicked out they will never win an election, because why would anyone vote for them. Conservatives have the Tories and leftists don't want to vote for Tories but red.
@@Edramon53 I can only speak from an outsiders perspective, watching this whole thing from Germany. But my impression of Corbyn was mainly one of bitter disappointment. He felt fresh and kind of new, but it became apparent very quickly that he couldn't deliver even as LOTO. He never disclosed his Brexit vote and kept messing around while May had the worst time of her life trying to keep her coalition together. The Labour party 2019 campaign was centered more on social policy instead of the all domineering topic.
Corbyn was just a terrible leader. He could not make the opposite end of the party an offer they were willing to accept, instead preferring to lean on his old buddies from his backbencher days and the voluntaristic borderline cult Momentum. And someone who can't keep his own house in order does not make a compelling argument why he should be PM.
The incredible hubris of his PR team also contributed to this impression. While the polls for labour kept plummeting, Corbyn posted pictures of him on a train, commented with "driving to Number 10" or something like that. This spectecular display of absolute tonedeafness was what was the final nail in the coffin in my book.
@@Donnerbalken28 I don't think the right wing of the Labour wanted to compromise with Corbynites either.
@@_blank-_ Who would want that, honestly? Corbynites are insane.
The UK chose their Conservative Party to be fiscally responsible. They then did Brexit and crashed their economy for almost a decade đ€Łđ€Ł
Brexit was voted for by the people. People to be blamed for that.
@@theuglykwan true but they put it up for a vote to begin with without having any plan. Epic fail
tories were literally campaigning against brexit and cameroon resigned when people voted leave i swear
Brexit is also what won the Tories a majority in 2015, Labour didn't support a referendum, the Tories did otherwise they'd have lost votes to UKIP.
It was a hard, hard decade to watch. As a school teacher with friends working in the NHS and social care, Iâve had to watch education and health care provision begin to erode, steadily crumble and in the end, totally collapse. Weâre no longer a functioning country. I cry when I think about where we COULD have been by now, if the line graph had continued to gradually climb rather than drop off a series of avoidable cliffsâŠ
Drop your liberal credentials and take up more robust bread and butter issues people care about. Distance yourself from social media politics and stupid rights movements and start making Britain great again. Remember Brexit? That's what people want to hear. Corbyn re nationalisation drive won many voters across but was butted out by namby pamby politicians in Nice clothing
Nhs budget has increased by 20% in real terms from 2010 till pre pandemic.
So hope you aren't a maths teacher.
@@danielwebb8402 But when Labour were in power 100% of the budget actually went into the HNS but now a Hugh proportion of the budget goes into privatised health care via the HNS budget and into Tory donors pockets. Of which they are taxed at a much lower rate than the tax normal working people pay.
It is a way of making it look like the Tories are pumping more money in with worse results so they can point at the HNS and say it no longer works so we have top privatise it.
Then they have their friend in the media go along with this BS so people believe it.
@@danielwebb8402 I do teach maths. I teach most subjects, because Iâm a primary school teacher. I donât use actual real world maths problems in class very often, but I suppose I could use any of these to help you with your maths:
Multiplication: number of teachers quitting the classroom each year is four times what it was in 2010.
Rates: Slowest economic growth rate in G7
Subtraction: 1,000,000 more children living in poverty now than in 2010.
Fractions: 1/5 of people in the U.K. living in poverty
Negative numbers: 500,000 nurses in England trying to cover 550,000 nursing position.
Percentages: U.K. debt to GDP in 2010 = 75%âŠnow itâs over 100%.
@@Bootsystem66
I know Liberal won't solved everything like magic, but what could Conservative do? But some sweet promises without any real action.
People disliked European because they're too liberal then what next? The UK needs Europe more not vice versa that's a fact, Britain will crumble without them unless Conservative have a plan for recovery or back to good old days (recolonisation).
Something else to consider is that Labour lost Scotland to the SNP during this decade. That's a hammer blow to the party's electoral success and I have yet to see any Labour leader come up with a good solution to this
Scots voting SNP has removed Scottish influence over UK elections.
SNP can't win Westminster.
No UK party can align with SNP without being accused of wanting to break up the country they're trying to get elected to run.
SNP is the best thing that's ever happened to the Tory Party, now they only need to win in England and Wales.
@@dondoodat This is basically nonsensical.
Scottish seats and votes would not have swung any of the recent elections.
Scotland has basically never had influence over UK elections. All that has changed is that Scotland is no-longer free votes for Labour.
@@dondoodat The 1945 Labour Landslide and the Three Blair wins didn't need Scottish seats to get a majority. Scotland not voting SNP and going back to the unionist parties gives Scotland not less but no influence at Westminster.
@@ThymeTwister
It's fact.
Which of my facts are you disputing ?
@@paulwilson2651
So which of my facts are you disputing ?
After Liss Truss, I think Labor should just turn the insult around on "you cant be trusted with the economy".
All labour councils are on the verge of bankruptcy
"Labor"? I think you should stick to American politics. Haven't you got enough on your plate with the electorate's only choice being between;
1. a senile war mongering Biden who said himself, in either his latest gaffe or his moment of truth, that the democrats "can't be trusted" and
2. Donald Trump?
The fact that the media is mostly owned by a small number of extremely wealthy people like Rupert Murdoch also does a huge disservice to Labour - except for Blair who was fairly right wing and had a personal relationship with him :/
No itâs not. Thatâs a trope from 20 years ago. People still think Murdoch owns Sky News when he doesnât.
Generational jump in NHS spending as % GDP, introduced minimum wage. Not really that right-wing.
@@danielwebb8402 Private finance initiatives and trying to cut single parent benefits. Not really that left-wing.
It is not only Rupert Murdoch media.
Back when Corbyn was Labour leader, The Guardian, a so-called centrist âliberal mediaâ but actually managed by an American entity - charity or something like, The Guardian was actively attacking Corbyn with timely (I underscore âtimelyâ) damaging articles from Margaret Hodge.
Add to that MP actively undermining chances of Labour winning election âbecause Corbyn !!â.
And add to that those voters in Red Wall switching a one-time-vote *âfor Brexit!!!â* ROFL đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
Tony Blair was a centre-left candidate, a man in the left of the extreme centre, he was neither left-wing or right-wing. His PFIs was just a continuation of the policies put in place by John Major as were some of his budgetary cuts but overall government spending increased massively under his leadership as did extremely anti-right wing and/or anti-conservative policies such as mass immigration which exploded following his 1997 electoral win due to being the exact opposite of Enoch Powell's wishes (who is one of the best PMs the UK never had) and the renaming of government departments (e.g. the MOT was renamed to the DfT, the MOE was renamed to the DfE, etc. with the MOD being a notable exception to his renaming plan).
I also wouldn't say that Rupert Murdoch owning several media outlets is why Labour keeps on loosing elections since his company's coverage is based on what they think the public want to read, listen and now watch (thanks to TalkTV) rather than being specifically anti-Labour while his competitors in the UK are almost exclusively anti-Conservative and anti-Reform UK and anti-UKIP such as the Guardian, The Morning Star and the Independent being open supporters of Labour and their regional variants being supporters of the SNP in Scotland and Plaid Cymru in Wales...
I don't know if you've noticed this, but Labour mostly seem to either win by massive landslides or with piddly majorities, the former usually coming after long periods of Conservative dominance. Whereas the Tories usually (ie, apart from Thatcher) seem to get by with quite modest majorities in comparison, but for somewhat longer periods.
Two things can be immediately remarked upon. First is that Labour gets these landslides by drawing together the anti-tory vote, usually with a popular and charismatic leader. The second is "time for a change". Lets face it, if a governing party cannot do anything worthwhile for a country after 10 years, it probably never will. The pool of untainted talent in the backbenches is not infinite.
The strange thing is that with PR since the war, the last purely Conservative majority government would have been in 1959. They're just not that popular.
And the last purely Labour would have been in?
@@danielwebb8402 1997
@@dubliam8064 Labour got 43.2% of the popular vote. Other parties combined could have overcome them.
@@theuglykwan Under the same study as the original commenter Labour would get a majority
@@theuglykwan except that more of the smaller parties would be progressive, so would tend to either vote with Labour, or at least would not vote against their policies.
Let's be real, when labour wins, it will not be because of Starmer, but rather in spite of him
I still thing itâs important to clarify itâs still an *if*, not a *when*.
If Labour have proven anything in the last decade itâs that theyâre just as adept at dropping the ball as the Tories are and thereâs no guarantee that Labour will be able to hold onto the lead, especially as Starmerâs policy seems to be âbecome invisibleâ⊠thus giving the Tories the whole stage to debase themselves and also all the room they need to possibly recover.
Politics is so effed, my dudeâŠ
It'll be because we can't afford austerity. We never have. Look at the state of the nation!
He'll basically be a protest prime minister like Ted Heath was to Wilson, despite Heath severely lacking the ability to be a PM.
100% correct. I just hope the next election ends in as hung parliament, and Starmer is forced to accept PR voting reform, in order to form a coalition.
@@kyllerbuzcut
PR is shit. At least go for something like AV or STV.
What you forgot to mention is that apart from the tories now running the country terribly, Labour also now has a leader who poses no threat to the status quo and doesn't look to make the necessary changes the country needs, giving them an easy ride from the establishment.
Thing is, this country will never get a leader like that. They're simply too radical to be voted in.
Britain sinks independently.
This sort of comment just demonstrates that you haven't actually paid attention to what Starmer has said, only what his critics keep trumpeting about him
Kier literally has no backbone and flipflops every time he speaks - pathetic
the corruption of Journalism of MSM has a lot to do with public perception and should not be disregarded for the chaos that we are now in.
Or
Facts and behaviour have a lot to do with public perception.
Why was it easy to paint Corbyn as a far-left terrorist sympathiser? Because there were no examples to back this up? Or because multiple, but you happen to agree with his position on them?
@@danielwebb8402 , Sorry, I do not understand what you are saying in the second part ? In my view Corbyn is a good man and gave many hope. Hope that was undermined largely by the MSM 's attacks on him. Though some woulkd say that he was a bad tactician and because of that he failed. Each will make up his or her own mind !
Just like in Canada. The left is split by multiple parties while the right is more or less united under one party. That tend to help a lot in FPTP parliamentary systems.
Nah Iâd say the left are pretty united here the problem is that nobody trusts them after the 2008 financial crisis
The Tories can count on the unwavering support of the Daily Mail, the Daily Express, the Sun, the Torygraph, GB News and if history is anything to go by Nigel Farage might stand down his candidates to assist the Tory party too.
As opposed to the BBC, Sky News, the Guardian, the Independent, Ch4 News and the Mirror.
@@jonesyjones7626 The BBC have been pro-Tory since 2017, when the Tories began installing their "friends" onto the board of directors.
GB News "star" presenter is Nigel Farage, Honorary President of Reform UK, I don't think the Conservatives can count on them at all.
@@jonesyjones7626 The BBC has been right way for a decade by this point, Sky has always been right wing.
Yep- And they call it democracy
Failed to mention the multi-party FPTP electoral system that makes it far harder for them to win in the first place, even more so now that the SNP have taken anything they use to get in Scotland. If Labour do win the next election, then they need to reform that, or it'll be the same thing happening again.
@@DandyDNA The Tories are the only right wing party, their vote isn't split like everyone elses. Which is why they keep getting into power with a minority of the overall vote share.
@@DandyDNA Most supporters of the Brexit party vote Tory because of the ERG. Sure they even stood candidates down in the last election, so Tories would get seats a lot easier. There has never been any real split on the right and that's why the Tories have lurched further over to it, when Labour abandoned the centre ground under Corbyn.
The system is systematically most in favour of Labour. If they'd won the same vote share as the Conservative party the past 4 elections and vice-versa, the Labour majority would have been bigger than the Tory's was.
@@danielwebb8402 If it was a two party system, then Labour would have won all those elections, with the share of the votes the Tories didn't get. The vote on the right, is all Tory. Everyone has to fight it out for the centre and everything else is split.
@@DandyDNA what the fuck are you talking about? đ€Ł Youâre basically saying âbeing right wing = supporting ethnic cleansingâ, which anyone with two brain cells can tell you is untrue. Also, I donât know who told you otherwise but political parties donât suddenly become less right/ left wing because some other party is more extreme than them. Thatâs not how politics works lol
"Each representing a different conception of socialism" đ If we're being honest only one of them had any conception of socialism
This vid was terrible tbh
Let's not expect TLDR news to understand left-wing politics too much
@@Haseri8 they are pretty obviously left leaning. Maybe not the students of Lenin you want but they aren't exactly conservative
@@regarded9702 liberal â left. I get they're supposed to be tldr, but they're more than willing to punch left in support for the status quo. For example, their video earlier in the year conflating suspicion of NATO's motives as support for Putin, with a stock image of an angry man in the title graphic. As opposed to, say, anyone from the video
@@Haseri8 and as shitty as lumping all suspicion of the west together as just 'pro putin' behaviour is, I don't think that stops them from being left leaning.
From what I've seen of their content i get the impression that they are all firmly pro immigration, pro equal this and that. They seem like pretty traditionally left wing views to me.
There's an old saying, the opposition don't win elections, the government loses. I think that's what happened here. Labour were the better candidates in 2010 and really only lost because people were sick of them. Now Labour look set to win the next election not because Starmer is so brilliant but because people are fed up with the tory parties incompetence.
The British public need to take some of the blame. B was Obviously a Stupid idea, when all you have to do is look at historry and See how Britain was begging to get into the EU, decades ago, as It gradually,, exponentially and unchangingly Lost Market share to the EU forces.
Then clearly EdMiliband was a Great candidate. We Can see that now, as not only did he draw up a responsiblee manifesto, which Starmer Will renege on, ButHeStuck around in politics when he could have learnt millions outii'd like Blair, Cameron and David Miliband have with their purely opportunistic Characters
He said they key there: in 2019 the media portrayed labour as promising everything. You must not underestimate that most of the media is pro-Tory and mostly has been even throughout new labour
Yes because the media is literally privately run and getting active donations from millionaires who don't want tax hikes that come with labour. Its like telling a cat to be fair to the canary because it's "more balanced."
Brown calling a bigot a bigot should have been his best moment in a normal society
"these Eastern Europeans - where are they flocking from???"
Err... Eastern Europe probably Gillian
As Brown opened his conversation with her stating she'd done loads for the community. Worked for council, volunteered at child centres.
Not believing in open borders isn't bigoted.
As she rightly implied. Open borders = no public spending. As the public acceptance of tax and spend reduces. See Sweden.
âopen immigration canât exist with a strong social safety net; if youâre going to assure healthcare and a decent income to everyone, you canât make that offer globalâ Paul Krugman.
@@danielwebb8402 gatekeeper of patriots. Only the Jesus Christ of the cross on our flag is the gate. Can you prove you have more British values on your heart than the strangers the Christian faith (which legally defines my country) says we should welcome?
@HQ
You can be pro open borders. Perfectly acceptable position. Be honest and transparent about it.
But the consequence is minimal public spending. No roads, schools, hospitals for all. No redistribution of wealth.
A note on the 2019 general election, the Tories just won 1.2% more while Labour lost 7.9% mostly to the LibDems. So Conservative won not because they attracted way more support, but because the opposition to Boris was split. I think many (including the media) are just not able to understand that parliament does not directly reflect the popular vote, but the FPTP system.
Edit: Labour + LibDems + SNP + Greens won 50.4% of the popular vote. In the US it's reffered to as gerrymandering...
Exactly. I feel we should just do PR and worry about any consequences later in all honesty as the particular factoid is heartbreaking.
It really isnât gerrymandering. Look up what that means in a dictionary. In our system the Party that wins the biggest share of seats gets first go to form a government.
So the shape of the constituencies was drawn perversely (gerrymandering) so as to benefit the Tory party? Except the opposite is true. Tory seats are on average bigger. There is no weirdly drawn, arbitrary shape constituencies. Such as you very much see in the states.
Even the proposed border changes only partially correct for this trait. Still systematically anti-Tory size seats.
Your point is "I don't like FPTP" not gerrymandering.
You got it right the first time with splitting the vote.
Gerrymandering is when you purposefully manipulate borders to favour a party.
Wherein the votes aren't necessarily split between different opposition parties, but rather split between different constituencies. Specifically in a way that you end up with more constituencies going for one party than it should. The key point is in the intent, in rewriting the borders.
FPTP isn't gerrymandering, its just vulnerable to vote splitting, which makes it pretty bad for reflecting the populace.
Popular vote is a terrible system to decide who should govern because it leads to extremely concentrated areas of votes meaning parties can get far, far more votes with far, far less effort to reach out to and appeal to the problems of locals, and it also means practices such as ballot farming become far, far more effective.
The problems of a small sector of rural England may be far greater and deserving of parliamentary concern than the problems faced by a far smaller wealthy borough in central London but owing to population density that wealthy borough would be worth far more to a politician than the rural sector despite the rural sector arguably being more important to maintain for food and industrial reasons.
Itâs not enough to just decide that everyone in the country should have equally weighted votes and trust that would lead to a fair society because the population isnât dispersed equally and people donât vote to fix problems that donât affect them or that theyâre not even aware of.
Gerrymandering ainât a solution to that either though. We need a more nuanced distribution of constituencies to prevent isolated minority communities being out-competed disproportionately dense urban ones.
When presenters couldn't describe Trump or Johnson as racist but left unchallenged the same label being applied to Corbyn to say the coverage was lopsided seems like an understatement. This also reminded me of working at Glastonbury when the Brexit result was announced, BBC film crews were withdrawn over fears they would have been unsafe.
Why? Surely 52% of the people at Glastonbury voted leave? At least 40%?
Why would people who had democratically lost a vote resort to violence?
Who called Corbyn racist? Even his critics said he failed to lead the party strongly enough on anti-semitism. Not that he personally was racist or anti-semetic.
@@danielwebb8402 I agree the expectation of violence was paranoid, I doubt there would have been any more than angry words. I heard a few times Corbyn called an antisemite, unchallenged on BBC. A baseless accusation as was the idea that the party was more bigoted under his leadership.
Actually msnbc with joy Reid and her goons along with CNN with Don lemon and chris Cuomo said Trump was racist plus the washington post with taylor lorenz and her goons were after trump non-stop which has a good amount of influence on the US public. Trump got demonized to oblivion by the US mainstream media... and part of it is even in the Twitter files. But boris is a different story though.
@@TheRealUSArmy I should have been clearer, meant BBC coverage.
@Mr Mr true but then wouldn't it make more sense with boris? Trump is from the USA and the USA don't watch the BBC much. Tbh the best thing we can do is defund the BBC or privatize it
From the looks of it, Labor keeps losing because of the perceived weak leadership, infighting, lack of coherent policies and a perceived lack of a power base. However, the Tories seem to be running out of steam. They've made mistake after mistake and the British people are going through a hard time right now. It seems that Liz Truss's rivalry with the lettuce is the final nail in the coffin and Prime Minister Sunak isn't really doing anything. So, the electorate might turn to Labor and their leader Keir Starmer, however, leading a country is a different challenge than leading the opposing, so we'll just have to wait and see if Starmer has what it takes.
RE 2010 election, yes, the Financial Crisis hit Labour hard, but you also need to mention the Expenses Scandal which was equally significant and almost parallel to the Financial Crisis. The legacy of Iraq was also hanging heavy on Labourâs head.
People were also tired of Labour.
Don't forget the impact of the Murdoch empire who big up the Tories and maul Labour with negative stories
Labour are their own negative story.
identity politics, and lost the working class.
It's kinda ironic how the left lost the group of people that ''created'' them in the first place.
But of course they lost the working class, instead of defending such things as: more jobs, better economy, more powerplants, and lower taxes for the poor. Instead, they defend such things as: trans rights (as if they don't already have the same rights as everyone else), femminism, hating white people, diversity and etc. Of course the Tories keep winning!
@@DioTheGreatOne i was talking to older family members and they always voted labour because it was THE working class party, if you worked, you voted labour, its just the way it was. god knows what happened, they are now trying to cater for 0.1% of the population. the tories have always been the tories, only for rich people, its labour thats changed.
That's probably one of the main reasons I think the reform party will be very successful this election. Because working class people (at least the ones who give somewhat of a rat's arse about politics) feel disconnected with the modern labour party as they're no longer caring about the working man and more about the city dweller.
Thank god we avoided "chaos with Ed Miliband", imagine the mess we'd be in...
Maybe we would've had 4 prime minister's in one week you never know.... đ
Oh really -Keep reading the Murdoch gutter press, mate
@@paulgearing3018 Pretty sure it was sarcasm đ
He might even had still been in no.10 now lol
Itâs a shame there isnât one or two more videos coming out this year. However- hope you all had a Merry Christmas and have a Happy New Year! Letâs all hope for a brighter 2023! Keep up the hard work- I continue to love your content and Iâve been subscribed since TLDR began
Never forget that Tony Blair received a Knighthood a year ago.
Standard protocol for all ex-PMs.
Even Truss and Johnson will get one.
That's how meaningless they are.
@@dondoodat he was admitted into the Order... that's something else entirely.
@@NASSAfellow
What ?
@@NASSAfellow No thatâs⊠thatâs literally what a knighthood is. A knighthood is being inducted into one of the knightly orders. Ex%-PMs, by tradition, become knights of the Order of the Garter (unless theyâre Scottish, then they become Knights of the Order of the Thistle)
Never forget that the Labour Party members can't forgive Blair for showing them up by winning elections.
Happy and successful 2023 to the whole TLDR team. You are doing a very good job!
I don't feel Starmer is actually that popular - it's more that the Consevatives are very unpopular.
The problem with Corbyn was that he had no experience in leadership - and it showed. I 've been reading Owen Jones' "This Land", and it's obvious that he struggled with party discipline.
You're correct. Starmer is a joke.
No, the problem with Corbyn was that he was a terrible person that the right-wing dominated media could easily latch on.
You might want to read something better like âTen Years Hard Labourâ. OJ is a weathervane and not to be trusted.
But Cameron had no experience in leadership before being leader. Nor did Blair
Corbynâs problem is his Labourism prevents him sticking to the principles that helped cultivate political capital.
Thank you đđ. Love all your channels.
It's taken the Brits a decade to finally realize the Tories aren't so great (either). They are exposed now the predicted Brexit disadvantages have materialized.
Well not really.
2010 and 2015 weren't really that great of victories. The Tories got 36% and 37% of the vote respectively. That's the sign of an electorate sick of both parties, but slightly convinced by one.
2017 was even worse than 2015 for the Conservative, losing their Parliamentary majority. However trust in major parties clearly returned as they gained 42% and 40% of the vote respectively.
2019 was won on the salient issue of Brexit rather than much else, clearly shown how the electorate turned against Johnson after Brexit.
Neither are good, i don't know why people try to pick a side when they're both cretins
Not really. People would have taken Boris Johnson twice over if it meant keeping Labour "out of No 10" because of the right wing press, and the party itself rebelled against Corbyn by sabotaging the last election
Not really. People would have taken Boris Johnson twice over if it meant keeping Labour "out of No 10" because of the right wing press, and the party itself rebelled against Corbyn by sabotaging the last election
Brexit was such a brainlet move from my people
Labour should've / should be more aggressive when attacking the conservatives. Rather than point out how Labour had the longest period of consecutive growth when in power and that the Conservatives accumulated more debt than every Labour government ever combined, they resigned to the idea that the Conservative attack line is correct and they had been bad with the economy. I blame the centrists in the party who's economic ideology is essentially identical to the conservatives, same spending levels, same deficit reduction target - they've resigned to a centre right position in the economy and with everything this country needs to heal, it's just not going to cut it. It may be enough to win an election but with our country still bleeding out, it might not be enough to help them stay in power for long or help those who need it.
No, Labour should have been more attractive to the voters. The Tories donât keep getting in because anyone trusts them. Hell, Boris Johnson of all people is hardly a shining example of good faith yet he provided a historic majority! The Tories get in because Labour somehow consistently manages to look like a worse bet and watching the utter catastrophe that is the Labour Party Conferences is all the info one needs on why folks keep looking their way and running back to the Tories.
I am writing a large thesis on this in university, and there are plenty of issues that some of which I will quickly summarize here:
1) leaders - to put it short, Brown, Milliband, and Corbyn were no Tony Blairs or Harold Wilsons
2) economy - Labour was not trusted with the economy after the Great Recession
3) lack of vision - Brown and Milliband lacked a coherent 21st century vision of society that did not land in several parts of the country. Corbyn came closer, but was an atrocious communicator
4) third parties - the SNP, Brexit Party, and UKIP are eating former Labour support
5) Civil wars - the Socialists vs Blairites, and pro vs anti EU broke the party
6) leaking working class vote - Labour has been leaking votes particularly in its heartlands starting under Blair
7) strength of the Conservatives - Yeah the Tories have had periods of difficulty, but looking at their popular vote share they are doing the best they have done since the 1960s. Labour, especially under Corbyn, were winning the same % of the vote as they did under Blair yet lost. Actually, one can make a very strong case that instead Blair and New Labour were only in power because the Tories were deeply unpopular at the time when looking at the popular vote share, and keep in mind Blair and New Labour won elections in the lowest turnout elections in UK history.
Did you miss the part where the Tories had billions of dollars of free advertising from most of the media?
@@archvaldor Ofc, that is another reason. I just gave a few big ones
Great video, so informative and straight to the point.
I also love this video of him! But I really don't believe in brexit anymore
Having a chunk of the party working to undermine the leader while the country had a decade of Tory infighting that received less coverage didn't help. The BBC claiming austerity was the only option helped avoid 'chaos with Milliband.' I remember the results coming in 2017 and Andrew Neil looking pissed off with the result.
Heck, I remember Labour grandees in tears over how well Corbyn did in 2017, stating this increase was the opposite of everything they'd spent their time under his leadership working for.
No the explanation is simpler. In 2017 labour said it would respect brexit, it just wants a different kind of brexit. In 2019 labour ditched brexit and lost
@@ivanvoronov3871 if you think every media outlet screaming the end is nigh if a centre left government gets in made no difference
@@mrmr446 nope it doesn't. Look at the brexit campaign. All the media was against it. Both major parties were against it. Yet brexit still won. I am not evaluating tge merits of brexit simply saying that cummings etc were competent that is why they won. When Labour loses these days they start bringing out excuses" oh the media is bad poor us" " the voters are too stupid to understand our manifesto " instead of actually trying to do something about it. Create a new narrative. In the age of social media the mainstream media is becoming even less relevant.
Leadership of tge left always makes this mistake
@@ivanvoronov3871 not all media were against Brexit, the sun, mail, telegraph and others were in favour. Yes Cummings ran a better campaign, aided by a lack of detail about the final settlement so those wanting a hard Brexit and those wanting something closer to Norway thought they were getting what they wanted. When do you think there will be any benefit?
2017 was heartbreaking, internal saboteurs and media misinformation were probably the difference. A bold anti-austerity platform and respecting the democracy of the brexit vote was the right platform
The gigantic irony is that we've literally had 12 years of economic mismanagement from successive illiterate tory governments, but middle class homeowners didn't see their mortgage go up so didn't care
2017 was a result of putting a deluded terrorist and anti semitism sympathiser in charge who jumped into bed with racists terrorists and dictators and tried to pass off his Communism as Socialism.
Seriously blaming others for the fall of Magic Grandpa just makes you look like the deluded cultists the media said you were.
Corbyn was responsible for his own downfall and its high time his supporters admitted it instead of inventing yet another excuse and bogeyman to blame.
Don't even bother citing Al Jazeera's The Labour files it's the biggest steaming pile of garbage with no concrete evidence and a whole bunch of speculation and innuendo.
@@NoJusticeMTG Saying that corbyn was a traitor to this country who wanted to collapse the only social and economic models that have a proven track record for progress, and replace it with a failed social and economic model that starved tens of millions and caused the larges surge in refugees in human history.
Ironically, he would likely have resorted to strong borders too like all his idols. But they were there to keep people in, not out.
As much as the latter policy humiliated the partyâs middle class remainist majority, it was the right call.
@@jonathancooper4914 it didn't need to be humiliating, they could have just accepted the result and tried to get the best deal, but instead they threw their toys out of the pram tried to overturn it
I think the reality is lot simpler than many want to believe, because the reality is a lot shallower than it should be - people didn't vote for Milliband or Corbyn because they just didn't like them. It's sad to say it, but an election changing percentage of the population just vote like they would for a TV talent show; it's not typically whether that person is any more talented than the opposition, it's whether they've got a likeable personality. It's sad, but it's true. And this is where I worry when Starmer comes up against Sunak. As much as I vehemently oppose Rishi Sunak's politics, he's quite a likeable guy in a needlessly shallow way, whereas Keir Starmer often comes off as a bit slimey and smarmey. Should it matter? No. Will it make a difference to how I vote? No. Will it change die hard Labour and Conservative voters choices? No, die hards will vote the way they always vote, but it's that big chunk of the electorate who don't delve into policy and just go off personal instinct that can and have changed the direction of elections.
Happy New Year to the team
Congrats on a good year of vids! Come on down to Brussels for a beer this new year!
Labour just need to be focussed on being a centrist party. If they do that well then they will likely win. Most people in the UK dislike socialism and even higher taxes
And let's not forget that most people are tired of the annoying identity-politics and virtue signaling that is so prevalent on the far-left. If the labour party tries to go ''woke'' (Sorry I also dislike this word) they're definitely not going to win an election...
Socialism brought about the NHS, it's only in the USA that socialism is disliked, and that is only because they have no idea what it is, despite having socialism embedded in many of their political systems and much of the infrastructure.
Labour need so focus on housing and nationalisation and job creation.If they focus on that and not on LGBT than they can win.they also need to ban foreign corporation buying houses and land
Infighting has always been a big one for Labour, they now see the most united since 1997, probably because they have been out of power for so long.
At this moment I am 'give me anything but Tory government', I just think the UK needs a change regardless
They're more united because Keir Stalin has expelled anyone who disagrees with him lol
Except it won't be a change. The only time Labour wins is whenever they conform to the status quo as it already exists. Keir Starmer's Party will change nothing.
It APPEARS united because Keir Starlin has suspended so many left wing members. This is always how the Labour Party has worked since the 1980s tbh except now also the Trotskyists and Militant are gone and this time its the democratic socialists that are gone too.
@@NoJusticeMTG Nah, that was Boris in 2019 who imposed a no-brain and no-conscious policy on al Tory MPs. Anyone with a brain or a conscious was disqualified. Projecting is still a purely right-wing pasttime.
Feuds are a feature of the left, not a bug.
Happy New Year
Look forward to lots more informative videos
Don't worry, something catastrophic will get unearthed and slapped across every paper in the country right before the voting starts and they'll lose again.
It's like clockwork at this point.
And poor old Britain with its apathetic voters slowly slide into the abyse Thank God i jumped ship in 1979. The year Thatcher came to power
Never saw you guys cover the labour files. Would you be willing to look into it?
There's a total embargo on all British based media against giving any airtime to *the four part series, The Labour Files produced by Aljazeera* and freely available on any platform.
I haven't heard of this... What is it and where can you find out more?
@@adam7802 See above.
It had some good reviews - for instance, " If this is the best they could come up with after the largest leak of documents in Labourâs history, every second spent keeping Corbyn and his ilk away from power was worth it." And "For this series to merely exist is enough for the antisemites to get themselves into a frenzy over. It doesnât matter that the EHRC found Labour guilty of breaking the law and discriminating against Jews." Then my favourite "Strangely, I actually do wish people would watch this just to see how rubbish it is..."
I think Al Jazeera were the wrong people for the job given that their Middle Eastern output is frequently called out for being antisemitic, and they suspended their own journalists for a holocaust denial video back in 2019, so hardly impartial are they? Then again, maybe they'd get along with the JC faction of cranks and hard-left entryists.
They should just put out a simple manifesto, "We aren't those assholes."
No, they have dozens of convicted criminals, a handful of communists, several islamofascists, front bench anti-white racists, work hand in hand with convicted election fraudsters, but year, they arnt the assholes.
@@Aspartame69 Right, they aren't those assholes.
Australian Labor Party ran with that same message in this years election, which won them a decisive victory. Much of the right-wing candidates were smashed, and the Liberal National Party is in the sorriest state its ever been in.
What ten years of mismanagement does to a mf.
I'm sure that is going to inspire voters ?
"assholes" is an american word.
Great video!
Any party with Diane Abbot as a MP becomes questionable. The real problem for the electorate, is we know none of the politicians in Westminster aren't any good at anything
Labour suspended her and Corbyn so not sure why she's relevant anymore.
I am guessing you didn't watch The Labour Files or read the Forde Report.
If you want to know what went wrong with Labour under Corbyn, the answers are right there.
Even the cat at downing street would run the country better than Torries
I know you tried to rush over 10 years in 9 mins so overall it was a great video. I personally think more couldâve been said about the rise of UKIP/Brexit party and how they were capable of splitting the vote of Tory sceptics between Labour and themselves and primarily stood in majority Labour constituencies (only stood in one Conservative held constituency) in the 2019 election, therefore making it easier to secure a Conservative win as being part of the reason for Labourâs result in 2019.
Right! Yesterday I read an article about Lord Frost engaging the voters of 2019 so they can support the upcoming vote.
You havenât even touched the rampant socialist and woke perception that Labour has with the electorate
British people just prefer a center-right gov't.
Thank you! The only non-centrist politicians the British people have elected are Clement Attlee (who lost after a single term) and Margaret Thatcher (who wasnât all that far right if you look at what she actually did).
"Corbyn failing to deal with the anti-Semitism in his party" lol he was the biggest anti-Semite out there đ
He's not an antisemite, he just hates the genocidal state of Israel
Most elections in the UK are won from the centre ground and Labour was seen to move away from that after the departure of Tony Blair. I would argue that Gordon Brown was not "clapped out New Labour" in 2010 but in fact he had shifted from the successful New Labour formula that won three elections in 1997, 2001 and 2005. He had already begun to move away from the economic and fiscal discipline of 1997 to 2007 (which ironically he was largely responsible for) by throwing more money at public services instead of striking a fair balance. In 2010 Labour chose the wrong Miliband brother as leader and began to alienate its core base - contrary to the romantic notions of the hard left; the working class is not radical or left wing and Corbyn was the complete antithesis of the centre ground and dragged Labour to a position far worse than 1979 to 1983. Brexit obviously played a part in 2017 and 2019, I think Labour did ok in 2017 because both parties had confusing policies on Brexit, by 2019 the Tories were clear on their policy while Labour was still splashing about in ambiguity and by that time I think voters had become tired of the issue and just wanted it sorted one way or the other.
Starmer is a very astute politician and has pulled Labour back from the abyss. Many criticise him for "lacking charisma" or even being "boring", I think he doesn't mind this at all because after all the hubris and ups and downs of the past three years under Johnson, Truss and Sunak, I think people rather warm to a man who isn't flashy or charismatic. For "boring" read "safe pair of hands".
Look, Labour has always been a party of reaction. It is not unusual for the Tories to get nearly 10-20 years in power before Labour emerges as a response for about ten years. Iâm starting to learn as an American that you guys are actually more conservative with a small c than we are. Whoever is more responsible wins.
Forgot the expenses scandal during a depression. My dad lost his job while politicians were claiming moat cleaning.
And Jacqui Smithâs husband was claiming a porn video
Until Labour goes back to its roots- the working folks they will lose again.
No matter what labor is going to win big because the conservatives just screwed up so badly and plus theyâve had their day
They held no office in England but have constantly been in Government in Wales. People not making this distinction really annoys me.
There is way too much focus on manifestos in UK national politics. Most of the promises in the manifestos are never delivered, and policies that are implemented are often not based on any manifesto. Imagine an exit poll. Voters who have just answered the question "for whom did you vote?" are asked to name three manifesto promises that were decisive in determining their vote and I'll bet a majority will only be able to give one or two at best. They will be able to name three issues which are most important to them, but they probably won't know if they are in the manifesto.
Part of the issue with the perception on the economy front is that they tried to change their tactics, but they never seemed to have a real strategy to it, so itâs unsurprising they failed so badly.
Tell me who tells you that they have no strategy. Do you get that information from watching a labour conference and looking at select committees... Or do you get it from the privately run press which have an active stake in trying to negatively portray a party that will cost them money from tax cuts....
There was no antisemitism, he simply didn't support Israeli imperialism.
Newspapers: What's the difference?
Problem is Corbyn never fought back.
If you call Hamas and Hezbollah your friends you are an antisemite, no ifs or buts.
He was a Islamist supporter of Hamas
@@karankapoor2701 Nah mate!
happy new year guys.
It's going to be a pretty horrible surprise for labour when they get into power an realize that the UK is not a particularly rich country. Due to 20 years of left and right wing neoliberalism, there is no money left, it has all been invested overseas.
Go after the untaxed wealth and offshore accounts.
After many cities left in ruins after ww2 and using large amounts of debt to invest wisely in infrastructure and housing, that worked very well. I don't think all hope is lost just yet. Pouring debt into the working class, housing, and infrastructure, will get us out the hole I think. Just need a government willing to do it. Ownership needs to be kept in the hands of government though, as pouring more money into the richest hands won't help economic growth imo. Government asset ownership will hopefully be able to get the country back into the black. That or aggressive wealth taxation. I can't see another way out of the debt spiral.
@@colincampbell4261 A waste of time. The people who own those offshore accounts will go offshore too.
Don't talk the country down. The UK is the sixth largest economy on the Planet. London and parts of the South East are the wealthiest areas in the whole of Europe. Parts of specifically England are amongst the poorest in the whole of Europe. However that is an issue of wealth distribution rather than lack of wealth.
@@sillypuppy5940 I say we call their bluff. If they aren't paying taxes here, we don't want them here. If they want to stay, then they need to cough up or get out.
Next election labour just had to point to Liz truss on any moment where someone questions trusting them with the economy. Is there anyone else that did that much damage in that short a time?
If Starmer still manages to screw their lead, then good god do they need to take a look at themselves.
Two words - the press. Also, not being real enough on immigration and benefits.
I had to look up the "bacon sandwich incident" and I can feel the collective brain waste that went into that single photo.
Gosh, imagine if weâd had Chaos with Ed MilibandâŠ
I think its unfair to bring up Corbyn and not bring up the coordinated attacks coming internally from the right wing of Labour detailed in the Forde Report
Bringing Corbyn up on why Labour lost elections is valid because he was 50% of the losses.
Bringing up an internal party naval gazing
It would also be unfair to not bring up the overt antisemitism fostered by Corbyn and his support over every country and organisation that has tried to bomb this country for the last 40 years.
Its patently ludicrous that the Leader in Parliament isn't chosen by the elected MPs they are going to lead. Its painfully obvious that the Leader has to be liked by and have the confidence of those they lead. Milliband made a pigs ear of reforms to that process.
@@jeremymanson1781 But then why even have a membership, especially if the local parties cannot remove MPs they feel don't represent them and they don't get to pick who stands (such the parachuted careerists)? The MPs are supposed to work for the local parties and the local parties are the regional collection of members. As we've seen though, the MPs (especially those largely on the right who got used to the top-down command structure favoured by Blair) hold their local parties and the membership as a whole in contempt. Labour is supposed to be a democratic organisation, but if the members can't pick their candidate because they are imposed on them from above and don't get to have a say on the leader, then why bother even taking part?
Fr this was a huge oversight by the TLDR team
Thanks
1. Take advantage of the fact that the Tories decided not to elevate the prior Speaker to the House of Lords.
2. Get him to run for MP again.
3. Put him in charge of Labour.
4. Win outstandingly. :D
Labour actually tried to run on a manifesto of "were going to re negotiate a deal and then vote against our own deal because we don't want to leave the EU" laughable
It was run on a second referendum because the results were 52% leave and 48% remain. Hardly a clear cut demonstration of democracy
@@mattymarsland4861it wasnât even that. It was 51% not 52
Is there nothing to be mentioned about the Forde report?
They can't cover the Forde report in every video, otherwise the channel would have to be re-named to "The Forde Report".
@@wolfen210959 that's neglecting the issue all together
Labour were the big losers from the 2 huge constitutional referendums and the subsequent debates and polarisation that resulted from them.
To be honest Scottish Labour were a pathetic, grossly incompetent, arrogant branch office for a long time, but sharing a platform with the Tories in the 2014 Indy Ref was a huge mistake that largely killed them off. And the issue of independence continuing to be prominent prevents any hope of a proper revival in Scotland.
And the Leave vs. Remain polarisation that resulted from the EU referendum and Brexit, and the fact that the issue dominated the political agenda at the expense of other domestic issues for so long, was also hugely damaging for them. There was no hope of uniting the country over Brexit, with any âmiddle of the road / âsoft Brexitâ options always going to be attacked from both sides as either not-proper Brexit / a betrayal or pointless compared to just keeping our previous membership terms in full.
Labour keeps losing because southerners keep voting for the Tories. Now the rest of us are stuck in the mess they created.
Even in 2019 Labour held their majority in the north (88 out of 159, with 80 seats being needed for a majority).
I wouldnât necessarily consider 2017 a loss.
I would say that if Labour didnât commit that much on a potential second referendum, then the Red Wall would not be lost back in 19. For whatever reason, Labour ignored the warnings sent by their own MPs from Northern England.
Worth also noting that Boris Johnson ran a good campaign in the red wall - he rejected austerity with the message of levelling up along with the right cultural messages for a demographic who should be natural tory voters
Labour were too honest about Brexit being complicated and the closeness of the referendum.
Tories just lied and lied.
@@dondoodat It doesnt matter if they lied to us about brexit or not. Most towns in the north were just fed up with industrial immigration that saw the poorer ends of most towns having a coach load of eastern europeans dropped off on their street several times per week all piling into 2 or 3 houses. Not to mention that walking through any town and city in england and its quite rare to hear anyone speaking english.
@@Aspartame69
I've already seen you blame foreigners for all of your personal failure.
I'm not interested in you or your views anymore than you, as you just pointed out, are interested in honesty or integrity.
@@Aspartame69 A yes, the racism excuse.
As someone who lives in a red wall constituency Labours repeated loss is no surprise at all. For over a decade the Labour Party has utterly failed to accept that the majority of people have no belief in the EU and certainly don't want to be part of the European Union. Whats more Labour has a contemptious attitude to anyone who mentions either sovereignty or immigration has done much to errode any form of respect between them and normal working class voters. At the moment a lot of Tories are venting their frustrations at Rishi as they are not happy with him, hence his poor polling, come the election though I really cant see Labour forming a majority.
Fundamentally I dont think the social democrat movement accepts that the democratic majority have more than made their mind up on Europe and the complete failure of Labour to recognise this has what has kept them from power for the last three elections and it is what will prevent them from forming a proper majority at the next election, despite Sir Keir actually having some good ideas. His ideas on British Energy is something we need right now.
Brexit has been an abject failure so maybe the public should realize you need Europe, or you'll instead get American healthcare
@@Serocco you guys have been saying that since 1950. Nobody is going to implement American healthcare
All I can think about your comments, is that you believe the lies that the Leave campaign told. You do know that they told nothing but lies, and continue to do so, despite all of the evidence, don't you? I was born in the 1950's, when ration cards were a thing, and even then, due to the destruction of much of our infrastructure during the war, we were known as the "sick man of Europe". Your assertion of the majority of people having made their minds up on Europe, have you seen any of the polls over the past few years? Only 30% still support Brexit, with over 60% declaring that leaving the EU was a mistake, just because you have made your mind up about Europe, does not mean that the majority have, as the polling clearly demonstrates.
Where is your data for your claim? Every poll following Brexit has shown a majority agreeing it was a mistake. That percentage, agreeing it was a mistake, has now grown to 56 percent.
@@jeremymanson1781 Truthfully I hope you are representative of who Labour puts up next in the red wall seats.
It would be incorrect to state that all polls show people have changed their mind. Which polls? Do you mean just polls from EU supporting organisations, or do you mean ones from across the spectrum?
Also if you look at the polls that matter, such as the last EU election, the last general election and the EU referendum; the polls could not be more clear as to what people wanted.
Don't get me wrong I honestly hope that Labour goes into the next election thinking that people want to reenter the EU as that will make them unelectable and guarantee that they have no chance of forming the next government.
Just like the last three times.
After being almost wiped out at the last election, one would have thought that Labour might have learned. Especially as they lost on the basis of all the red wall seats being also places that overwhelmingly wanted to leave.
Nope seems not! :)
As much as I dislike The Conservatives, I'd prefer them to Labour.
Before watching: Maybe because the establishment of Labour's self sabotages any left movement from within? Making them mini tories on all but social issues.
Poor leadership
The Labour Party is a democracy where the membership vote for policies and leadership.
Many expect Labour to represent them but aren't members and therefore don't get to vote on policies or leadership.
The Party didn't leave the workers behind, the workers left the party behind.
You have to be in it to win it.
Not expect a free ride.
Exactly
What is really needed is the breakup of the two party system which is reinforced by first past the post. What we need is proportional representation for voters.
We can ask Israel how well PR is working.
This is a very good and practical video he is right public perception is important in voting.
I feel like that if Labour wants to counter the âcanât trust them with the economyâ argument, they really only need to throw out a âand you can?â With a picture of Liz Truss
But Liz Truss had no long term impact on the economy because she was taken down by her own party. The issue for Labour is that they are going to argue that they will do even more of what Hunt is doing, ie more taxation. If it doesnât work for the Tories why will a larger dose work?
And no we can show a picture of Birmingham and other bankrupt labour councils
Social justice and more modern progressive values both alienated their core voting demographic of rural nord FC type guys without bringing in the cosmopolitan Ă©lite who have far better economic interest in voting conservative
As an American, it is MINDBLOWING to see one party dominating for that long. It never happens in America.
It feels like a dictatorship, they get a decade of ruling, fucking up the country in some way and we don't even get to decide the leader of the party (who the prime minister is), the party members (MPs) do. So much for 'western democracy'
@@orangeairsoft7292 you know, America really isnât much better really. Although to our credit, you never do end up getting a president the people never picked at least in some sense, and they always have primaries for the partiesâ congressmen.
Yeah the last time that happened was 1921-1933
@@DevilsRadvocate didnât Democrats do really well in the Depression?
4:57 what did they mean a supply and confidence agreement, is that like a coalition?
Labour may have kept losing, but I have three words for them (and for the Tories as well): Nothing lasts forever!
The longer a party stays in government, the bigger the defeat they'll have once they eventually lose. It happened before in 1997, and it can happen again. History does have a way of repeating itself, after all.
Major alienated millions of natural Tory voters by ramming through Eu/Maastricht Treaty in 1992...no referendum...free trade became political union.
Major tanked the economy, interest rates held too high for too long,..UK crashed
out of the ERM disaster/fiasco...15% interest rates....Black Wednesday...recession ensued.
Current situation is minor by comparison.
That is why the Tories will win comfortably in 2024.
Blair was literally one of the worst pms weâve ever had - he sent soldiers to die in a war we had no part in. I reckon kier will be the same - come on, the man canât even say what a woman is.
The Tories also know that immigration worries the public and ultimately use it in their manifestos when it is election time to boost their chances. Whereas Labour are too scared to talk about it and have increasingly become a 'everyone is welcome in the UK' party, which makes traditional working class towns worried that numbers will be too high when it comes to living and getting jobs.
Yes, but that will not work this time as Conservative supporters have realised that this Government have actively encouraged immigration.
Labour under Milliband and Starmer has clearly said it would control immigration. The Tories, not Labour, are the ones who decreased the number of Border Police and said it wasn't necessary to track people entering and leaving the country.
A left wing party in Denmark was locked out of power until they became strict on immigration. Then they were back in. Labour could afford to get stricter on immigration.
â@@jonesyjones7626Yet no other party will sort it out.
As an Australian, you get rid of Murdoch media influence
Sometimes wonder about if David Miliband had won the leadership contest instead of Ed.
i was just a kid when gordon brown came to power, I quite liked him.