I’ve never seen one of these before... and it saved the day! Cable railing details and help.
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- How to install cable rail through posts... accurately!
Checking out a very cool jig for drilling plumb or level in any location. I needed to drill through some 6x6 posts VERY precisely on the job for the cable railing we are installing. AND, though it seems like a simple task, drilling perfectly square through a large size stock and coming out on the other side of it exactly where you want (with a very thin bit), is a real trick. Keeping the holes on layout was important for ascetics, as well as for passing code on the spacing of the cables. I didn't even know a jig like this existed until Arlo pulled it out of his truck, so i decided to give it a try... and make a video of course. Check it out. This is not a paid sponsorship... we just really thought this was amazing.
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Big hint - put a sacrificial scrap over the exit hold so you don't blow out the wood.
That looks much better than having a bunch of hardware showing. It should always be done this way.
so appreciate you acknowledging that drilling properly square holes is hard... makes me feel less dumb!
A well-seasoned true Craftsman always checks their work after the first hole. You guys are the real Deal.
I love this tool. If your a custom door installer like me it's a must have. Drilling a through hole in a $15,000 door can be pretty scary!!!!
If you can't get ahold of one these, you can drill from one side then go to the other side and find the hole. Works every time and it's fairly quick
They also make metal sleeves that you can pop into each side of the post to prevent the cable from damaging the wood. Great video. Your linked products are added to my cart and will be purchasing the portable drill press and the cable. Your cable link actually saved me some money and it’s marine grade to withstand the elements. Also, there are invisible turnbuckles to make it even more seamless. Good video Brett! Haha take care guys and thanks for the useful video.
Called a drill guide and it's a basic stair and handrail installation tool, especially for precise baluster installation. An old style, Stanley Dowel Drilling Jig, is another useful tool for rail-bolt installation. I used both for about 40 years until my retirement.
I've used several of these type of portable drill presses and they are surprisingly accurate. Every tool box should have one.
And which one is better ?
@@leog6742 the one by drill mate is the one I use pretty regularly, i recently just made for my mother in law a peg and dowel board for her sowing that has 64 6" dowels placed 2.5" away from one another on each side in 8 rows of 8 that were drilled and glued into 3/4" plywood at a 45 degree angle and every single one was almost perfectly inline with their row and column and not one was outside of the angle, which with them sitting out six(5 and a quarter inches) from the face of the plywood if they were off it would be really noticeable. seriously its a great little tool, of course it will never replace a real drill press but i like to think of it as another tool that has different functions than a drill press and not as a replacement for a stationary drill press, but look straight is straight so if its square with the work piece and you have it oriented the way you need it to be and its secure not moving around then it can only do what you tell it to
“Don’t wanna lose them” lol those rubber feet will end up in your cup holder mixed with 12 set screws, 1.5 square nuts, a few random torx bits and a soggy receipt or two
Wow how did you know!! Haha
Or in his shirt pocket and then in the washer
That soggy receipt of two got me bro. Was like man this guys seen my car lol
gatorb0mb. Or you could have put them into the 4 inner holes for the feet, justsaying!
Ha, and 3 wire nuts, all different sizes of course !
Brett's camera work is really something special. You guys should use more of it in these videos!
Another helpful tip guys. Love your work. Glad Jamie is doing well and hope to see him back to work soon. God speed.
I am a retired carpenter and specialist in remodeling this is an excellent tool for this purpose great job!!
I terribly miss working on projects much more than I ever imagined it's fun to watch other men doing their jobs especially when they are smart and do good stuff like this for people to learn and see how done.
Tha is for sharing with everyone.
Great work Perkins God bless you Jamie and Family
I like it. My company has done quite a few cable railing. Have always went thru the middle posts. We use a jig or should I say a few jigs depending on stair or straight runs. 24” drill bit. 10” wide jig clamps to post. Center 3” drops from bottom of the guard rail. On 371/2 post works very well if using 1 1/2 rail between posts give 36” from finished deck to bottom of railing. We use a 1/4 drill bit for the 1/8 cable passes thru easily
Last job I did with cable rail, i made a predrilled jig same width as post, with a small fence on one side, then not only did it give me my layout for the holes on each post, but, I could simply drill half way from each side of the post, works like a charm, holes line up perfectly, is faster, and no blow out on exit side of drill bit. I have several of those same drill jigs you used, ran into some of same problems you had, and jig was faster. Nice work, thanks for videos !
Martin
I have an old Craftsman Portalign drill guide like this. Bought it for my father probably over 35 years ago, and it's still in my cabinet today. It's one of those tools that doesn't get used all the time, but when you need it, you're glad you have it. I most recently used it just last month on a wedding arbor project. The one I have does not have adjustable angle, but instead the posts go straight through the base, and can even be extended beyond the base. This comes in handy when you want to drill a centered hole in an edge of 2x lumber -- it makes it self centering.
Kool!!! I have this opportunity on our back deck that looks out over our pool and the woods beyond. Big clunky railing up there now.
I'm going to Amazon!
Shout out to Jamie.
Get better, brother.
Thank you for this video . I have built dozens of decks using cable balustrading and have had to drill the posts from each side hoping to get them to line up . I just found an Australian supplier of a similar tool which I just ordered seeing I have 2 decks that I'm about to complete . All your videos are great and I've used a couple of tricks in the past 2 weeks .
Make a stencil or Jig and use that as a guide.
Minus the small cable and super fancy turnbuckles you've basically done what we do on every concrete and steel highrise building.
Dadgummit, you guys found another tool that begs to be in my ever-growing tool collection. I'll make room for it.
It worked flawlessly on my pressure treated 6" X 6". It took all the guess work out. Thanks for the review.
So we wont destroy the forest keep going. I love the Teal color themed
Cool video I hope your brother.is doing well
I'd probably clamp a scrap piece of wood to the back side to prevent splintering of the post when the drill bit pops through.
Not a bad idea.
@@scottpreston5074 I would even go so far as to say it was a good idea.
I *ALWAYS* clamp a sacrifice board on the out-side when drilling something where the exit hole is visible. Seriously, ALWAYS! Nothing says N00B like a big-ass tear out splinter. Also, rather than just remove the rubber feet, I would use some kind of a non-mar interface... like a post-width-size piece of 1/4" ply (or board, or whatever) because that jig is likely to mar the surface of that post pretty easily. You can drill a nice big hole in it so you can still align your bit onto your punch-mark.
Same thoughts here, further i wondered about counter sinking the holes cause of splintering when you pull the cables through. I think this would even bring more durability to the wood in case of direct rain on the post. Wolfcraft is a German supplier for non professionals, this thing costs about 20 bugs down here, so worth it in every toolbox...
@HVAC Quality Assurance could flare one end install the other and hit the flaring die on the end after its through the post.
My parents bought me one of those over 40 years ago. Still got it and use it every now and again. It's like a take everywhere mini drill press.
You could also make a simple wooden jig that wraps around the post with two predrilled holes , then drill from both sides and meet in the middle. Even with this metal jig there is a chance the long drill could wander if it gets diverted by wood grain.
I’ve tried that but with picky stainless cables it’s hard to route thru those two holes and not ruin the strands on the cable or end up with two holes on one of the sides.
I have had success using a framer’s square in the other hand while drilling to keep the bit square.
I mark the posts on both sides and drill from both sides, no need setting up clamps, works every time, bit of practice and you will manage it.
Exactly, Use a horseshoe shaped jig clamped in place drilling, as you say, from both sides. No need for expensive extra length drill bits that tend to wander.
That's right a long bit like that can still wander a bit if deflected by a knot or harder grain
But why use common sense and some skill when you can buy another tool? Lol!
I bought something like that tool from Sears in 1975. Everyone who borrows it. loves it!
I got one from Rockler for Christmas, not cheap, but awesome. Drilled 1" into end of a bar then tapped it, almost like a mill.
I need Brett to teach me his masterful videography ways
Absolutely love this Railing idea!! Thank you for sharing.
My old boss had one of these and when I started working on my own I got a railing job right off the bat and could NOT find this tool in any store anywhere. Well I guess I'll be ordering one now.
Love your videos, the views, and your family business philosophy.
nice tip. Thanks for all y'all share. Speedy recovery wishes to Jamie.
To all the Old Craftsmen on here proclaiming that “this has been around for centuries”, remember, the rest of us were not born “knowing it all”.
Kudos to this guy for admitting it was new to him, and then doing a good job using it and taping his work.
Yeah, me myself, if I had more than one post to work on, I would have made a U-shaped jig out of scrap wood to hold the jig better.
But that’s me... I’m lazy. And I follow the maxim “if you do the same work more than twice, make a jig/template”.
I have the Milescraft version of this tool, and it works well. Thanks for showing me yet another use for it!
Actually just bought one of those drill press attachments myself for installing some Murphy bed hardware, worked great.
I've put a magnet level on my drills for 31 years and never had an offset hole
I used this to drill steel rods through beams that were used as a collar tie system. It worked so good
I have a Port-A-Line that I bought in the 1970s. They used to sell them at county fairs, boat shows, and other consumer shows way back when.
Jigs, like that, have been around for decades. I had one, that I bought around 1976 - 78.
C Bob, yes sir. I got mine in 1975.
I used the exact same drill guide drilling holes in fence posts for galvanized pipe railing. Since then, I've found other uses for it on the job.
This drill guide has been around since the 70s. Still have mine!
Good video, loved the view of the mountains, Great piece of kit
My son is an amateur wood worker who makes his own cabinets, tables, etc. He has tried using something like that jig.
Last week he bought a brand new monster $500 drill press.
I had a portable drill press, same one for 30 years, they're great.
I did one of these details 5 years ago I used a piece of pegboard for a drill guide wish I had one of these I had a few that had to be drilled at an angle bad thing was all my anchor posts were six by six wood I like this look much better glad your all safe WASH DEM HANDS and be safe sir thanks for the video
I bought one of these in lieu of a drill press to save money in my shop. Obviously with the intention of getting a drill press one day. It works great, super simple and easy storage.
I have a Milescraft and not sure why I never had one sooner. Makes life so much easier and straighter.
I have three of these things are use them when I machining doors one I have a small spacer on for doing jams found them at a garage sale I like Giggs a little too much and they stay set up super easy
Custom doesn’t come in a box boys
Well done looks bad ass
Not only saves money but it also looks better.
I have put those cables through wood just like that!! Looks great!!
Man amazon has it all! Pretty cool doods
Looks great!!! Good work as always!!
Another trick is to drill into the post at the correct location from both sides. Then drill from one side to connect the hole. If it is a little off, you'll never see it because the cable or bolt will go in and out at the correct location.
I just now posted the same comment, then i read your's. I agree.
I'd do it that way too because I would expect a long bit like that to walk.
Not a perfect solution in thick 6x6 PT but still works more often than not.
I did cable railing on a customers deck few years ago. The horizontal cable was super easy but I decided to do the stairs that had a 90° turn with only one cable per line. So yeah, the cable makes a 90° inside the post at an angle going in and and angle coming out. It looks impossible but crazy cool. There was 2 posts with 11 cables each that I did that with.
My son was making some bow fishing arrows and needed a way to drill exactly thru the center of the arrow. This little drill press has a V shaped groove atop the base which is perfect for centering a round dowel or an arrow. I gave my press to my son. It was perfect for drilling arrows.
Be sure to check your local codes. I worked at a lumber company as an outside salesman/expediter and they are considered to act as a ladder and do not pass code in some areas.
I've never seen one of those before. Will buy!
Well explained video, that guide could be useful in so many ways.
bolt two battens to the base through the holes that lie on the diameter - one bolt per batten. This sets up a parallelogram that needs one clamp only and it will self centre. I use this idea with my 1960s "Portalign" portable drill press.
Nice tips. Thanks for the video
Those portable drill press tools can be a life saver. One tip for the next time is to drill from both sides and meet in the middle. This is a tip from working on fine woodworking projects to hide any slight misalignment and also prevent issues with the bit wandering, blowout on the exit hole, hitting your clamps, etc. Project is looking great!
Bought several of these almost a decade ago. Craftsman sold that exact design, part number 967173. Used them for a multi hole drilling jig back in my boot strapping days. Have since been replaced by a CNC machine but these drill guides are still used a few times per year.
I have a similar guide for my electric drill. I've had it since about 1970 but only used it half a dozen times . . . but I'm not a carpenter.
I'm certain that I've got one of these somewhere in my home workshop. I've not seen it for a while (that I recall), so I'll have to go look for it the next time I'm in there. I have a couple of jobs to do in there over the next week, so I hope I remember to look!
Great work! I wish we could do wire cable railings here in British Columbia. Code won’t allow it. Inspector says kids can still get through or get head stuck. Not sure what’s wrong with his kids😜
same here in NZ. Kids can climb up railing like a ladder and fall off the top. :(
Nice. Now, I have to Amazon and get some of those cable cutters. I have always used BFH and a cold chisel to cut cable.
Over the past 20 years I must have drilled thousands of straight and angled holes in stair handrail with one of these...
Mark, I’ve had mine 21 years.
I have a old craftsman one
Nice work!!!
That looks great.
Those work great. Had one for quite some time....come in handy alot....peace
I need this. Had a lot of trouble going through 4x4's with a sleeve that had an offset last year. If the hole isn't perfects the cable gets caught in the space between the id of the sleeve and the edge of the post... Two 2x's screwed together as a guide did the trick, but this looks much more gentlemanly.
Good job guy's !!!
had 1 of those things for 20 years. use it in woodworking projects. to keep the 12" bit from "walking", use the 12" bit with the brad point and use small pieces of wood to make sure you don't need to cut the bit off. that way you can clamp the tool to the wood high enough so the bit still has it brad point, and with it straight you can drill a straight line through the wood.
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Nice work
I used one of those 30 years ago.
Jim, I’ve been using mine for 31 years.
Good job 👏
I use something similar called a drill block. Pretty sure it's just as accurate, I haven't drilled through 6x6 post with it but I drill through doors all the time with it, works great, my holes come out with the same layout on both sides, so that tells me it's accurate. More portable than the drill press too, fits in your pocket.
Have done quite a lot of these - carpenter not a balustrade guy. Find that marking of hole centers both sides then drilling to center from both sides is quick and usually hassle free. Have done a lot in 300 - 350 mm round poles using line level on drill. Need air handy to clear and blow through.
I have seem those Advertised on a bunch of different sites and stores. I think they’d be really cool and versatile than a stand drill press for me. Nice video i enjoyed Brett’s Cinematography the most.
Sears sold these years ago. They were called a Port-o-Line. I have had one for years. They also allow you to drill through the middle of pipe. I just used it to drill holes for adjustable shelves in a cabinet I just made. I don’t own a drill press.
The layout of this house looks gorgeous. Wish we could share the floor plan.
I own one for over 40 years. Mine is an earlier model in which you clamp the entire corded drill. Also made by Wolfcraft.
Klass, I’ve had mine 41 years.
your way behind the art
Awesome idea 💡 thanks
Ive been using a drill guide for years. Guaranteed to get your cabinet knobs exactly where you want them. Never have a misaligned hole. 10 bucks from any woodworking store.
This is the best dang construction channel on the youtubes.
These portable drill presses are really handy to have and reasonably priced. As far as this application I would think having all that tension on two posts couldn't be the greatest. Having shorter runs means the tension has been spread across the span, having done this exact thing on numerous occasions I know that the wire stretches over time and you will need to tension more often over these spans.
Great tool demo! But, but, but... now I want one...
those wire levels make wonderful ladders for little hands and feet!
Excellent!! I want one!! **NOTE** - If those are (likely) treated posts, the chemicals used treat can cause a corrosive reaction with metal!! 🤞 small plastic tube insert would solve 🤓
Tim Urzi it won’t hurt stainless steel
These things, or similar versions, have been around for a long, long time. I probably bought mine thirty to forty years ago.
Steve, mine was a gift to me 51 years ago.
I build a 3 sided box with holes predrilled with the right spacing on two sides. Put on the post and drill from both sides and bam! Got a perfect hole going all the way through.
When you drill a large wooden post, 6" square, the bit will sometimes follow the grain of the wood and deflect slightly, also true with going through knots. To stop this, drill the opposite side of the post in line where the cable would exit, about 1/2" deep. Proceed with drilling hole with fixture from the initial side. This works well when the drill bit starts to wander when it becomes slightly worn from use.
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Very helpful
great video