cEDH manabase on a budget
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
- Let's see if we can make a good mana base on a budget for Najeela or Thrasios and Tymna. It's going to be hard but I think this is achieving some of our goals.
Many people think that to be able to play cEDH you need to spend a lot of money. But you can get somewhere within the format on a budget. I hope this video will showcase some ideas on how you can do it. - Krátké a kreslené filmy
i watch the video in 2020 and im crying (low price)
same
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This video earned a big fat sub from me, great content and initiation on how to put the c in cedh, without putting in the $ in and making it P2Wh
Nice collection of lands :)
darkwater catacombs land cycle is the original filter lands
or the odyssey filter lands
Darkwater Catacombs and the like are known as Odyssey Lands - similar to the filter lands from Eventide :)
Another awesome video Mons!!
Thank you. It is an really old one tho.
your videos where you help solve a problem or issue or put something new on the table are so much more interesting. Could you next do a video on how you would budget down a deck?
That is a good idea!
Nice video; lots of good advise in there! I have two 5c EDH decks (neither are cEDH to be fair). I use 5 all-color lands (City of Brass, Command Tower, Exotic Orchard, Mana Confluence, and Reflecting Pool), the 5 Khans fetchlands (Bloodstained Mire, Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, Windswept Heath, and Wooded Foothills), the 5 BFZ dual lands (Canopy Vista, Cinder Glade, Prairie Stream, Smoldering Marsh, and Sunken Hollow), the 5 Battlebond lands (Bountiful Promenade, Luxury Suite, Morphic Pool, Sea of Clouds, and Spire Garden), then 2 of each non-forest snow-basics and 7 forests (15 total basics). Those 35 cards end up being in the slightly under $200 range (at least when I last assembled them. I also try to run some 1-2 cmc green ramp/fixing like Birds of Paradise, Sylvan Caryatid, Farseek, Rampant Growth, Into the North, etc... and I've never had a problem with getting the colors I need in my 5c decks.
5:13 those are the original Filter Lands from Oddysey.
The Onslaught fetch lands weren’t actually the first. There was a cycle of fetch lands first printed in Mirage. They aren’t as good because they come into play, tapped, but they are slightly better than other budget fetches because they can grab non basic lands with the corresponding type(forest or plains, etc.) and the fetched land comes in untapped.
cedh doesn't want lands that come into play tapped because they're too slow
Wasn’t trying to say they’re appropriate for CEDH, just making a statement about their existence and how they work.
Yes😍
Signet lands
Thanks to some nice people I now know they are called filter lands ... But I kinda prefer Signet lands.
Darkwater catacombs is an example of a filter land (so is any land with a similar mechanism as the Darkwater).
what is your opinion about the tainted lands?
only 2 of the 4 have been reprinted a bit more, the golgari and orzhov.
those lands enter the battlefield untapped and tap for colorless or, if you control a swamp, they tap for either color.
I find them pretty underrated
I'm currently trying to build a food chain tamriel on a budget. Because tainted pact is an important piece to the deck I have more obstacles to go through when building my mana base.
Really appreciate this video! What do you think of Cascading Cataracts in Najeela or any other 5 color decks? The fixing is perfect for her effect and I think having to tap the extra land is a fair price to pay to garauntee the Najeela activation.
And that is a problem. Sure it will help budget decks. But 6 mana to get five mana ... Not the best. It's okay. My friend did use his Geas cradle and that land, for his Najeela, and considered it really good.
Unfortunately Gaea's cradle is the opposite of budget haha. I could probably get a similar effect with Growing Rites of Itlimoc though. I've been trying to build a casual list and have been having trouble thinking of good card draw for the deck. Any budget reccomendations there?
Mystic remora is still budget! Hummm. Nights wisper is good. Anything that is 2 mana draw 2 is good. Kinda. Compost if your opponents play a lot of black spells. Azra oddsmaker isen't to bad. Who is your commander?
@@cedhtv Najeela :) I think I'm building more towards Jund in terms of color balance.
I believe the lands are called filter lands
I call the darkwater catacombs cycle the signet lands
Thats a good name for it.
The signet lands are called filter lands
Cedh_TV, I agree with your statement of these og filter lands can be better then the other “better” filters, but you are forgetting a major part these “better” filters can tap for colorless on their own.
Correct. there for you shouldn't have many of them. May Be only one or two.
Filter lands?
Commander on a budget? Proxy everything!
"Luxury Suit" 10/10
i allways wonder if its worth to play arbor elf if you have all your corresponding shocks and a few fetches
I think it is. I look at like and normal llanowar elves.
what are your thoughts about riftstone portal coupled with the looting effects that are common in cEDH. turn 1 making all your lands green sounds good enough to distract opponents from the real, nongraveyard, win condition.
I like that land. But you need to have a deck that can discard. Or a deck that is good at sacking lands.
@@cedhtv I guess they're not as common as I'm thinking.
first of the 2 filter land cycle
I want to get into cedh but it seems to be a solved format. Am i correct? I love deck building and I'm always trying to be a better player after each game. I just don't like the idea of playing only from a pool of certain commanders/ builds in order to be competitive.
I don't think it is solved. Far from it. And most things work. You just have to make it work. There is a meta and you just need to play according to it. Your deck needs to stop and control combos. But you don't have to win with a combo yourself. You could.
cEDH TV. I agree with that. Thanks for answering somewhat of a vague question. I've been running Yennet, Teysa Karlov, Noyan Dar, Tatyova, and Xantcha recently. Yennet and Tatyova go hard early and wrap up rather quickly. Teysa and especially Noyan can deal with combos as well as imposing their own. Xantcha is just fun lol. Thanks again!
@@goldenmajestic9007 Do you have a decklist for the Noyan Dar deck? I am working hard to make it as competitive as possible myself, so I am very interested in seeing your take :)
I'm planning to build an Abzan/Karador cedh deck. What are your thoughts on Cultivate/Kodama's Reach? And what are your thoughts on putting mana rocks like Mana Vault or Fellwar Stone on decks that have green? Should my additional mana preferably come from just dorks?
Dorks are better then mana rocks. Especialy for Karador. I woulden't play fellwar stone. But Mana vualt is good I would play that one. I don't like a 3 CMC spell that featch lands. Even if they featch 2 lands. 2 CMC featch one land is also kinda bad but better. The reason is simple.
When you reach a later stage of the game you already have your mana. So a spell that gives you A LOT of lands is not necessary. You wanna do things in the earley game that sets you onward. Like turn 1 dork. A turn 2 rampant growth isen't that great either. But turn 3 Kodamas reach is fare to late.
BUT!
If you fill your deck with tons of good dorks that you can play on turn 1. If you have about 15 turn one ramp cards you can consistently say that you will have a 3 mana one turn 2. Now you can play Kodamas reach or variants to it. That is kicking you ahead.
BUT!
There are other gameplans that are stronger than this idea.
I suddenly don't know if I answered your question. I hope I did.
@@cedhtv Thanks for the good answer! What is the reasoning behind some cedh decks running Sakura-Tribe Elder and Farseek if they already have enough dorks and rocks? And what about draw-fixers like Sylvan Library, Mirri's Guile or Sensei's Divining Top? Are they always an auto-include in green? All of them or just choose?
Most of those cards are player preferens. Some like them. Others don't. They work, they are not bad. But not great either. If you play on a budget you might play more farseek and sakura trible elder etc. Mirri's guile is one of those cards that people either love or hate. I am personaly, me, I don't like it.
So most of the cards that you meantioned just come and goes depending on the deck builder.
Any budget cedh decklist?
I have made a few deck techs that are budget. Been a while since I made one. I guess I could make some more budget deck techs.
And what about playing 10 shock lands (not that expensive since ravnica reprint) + 5 panorama + 5 slow fetch + 10 multi (city of brass, command tower etc ? )
Yes, shock lands are affordable now. But they are only good with fetch lands. Or they reach their potential with fetch lands. And fetch lands are still expensive. That could change. But sure we can include all shock lands that tap for green and blue.
lol now it's just "play world tree" ramp to 6 lands
Odessey Filter Lands
I don't agree with the signet lands which are known as filter lands. Ive tested them and gotten into jams . Even the hybrid mana filters i minimize to one per deck
Thanks for the land name knowledge. You might be right that they don't perform well. Now I don't think you should play all five. But Dark water catacombs and some other might do good. Now I have also ended up in Jams. but so fare it's doing okay.
I only run 1 in my 3-5 color decks, normally in the colors that i run the least. When i do it this way it normally helps out alot because it can net me 2 mana in a color that i normally dont have alot of lands for. But yea running more i think would just hurt you.
@@hiddenleaf414 likewise i play 1 max per deck as a budget option
9:22
Proxy the cards easy. No budget everyone can do it
Hi Mons. Do you think a Modern version of EDH needs to exist for the same reasons that the Modern format was created (as in, the popular reserved lists cards were getting unreasonably expensive for most players).
I think this needs to be the case for both competitive, prize-based play (usually 1v1 or NvN to avoid possible collusion issues) AND for casual play (usually multiplayer deathmatch), as many of us feel uncomfortable using proxies in either, and most of us just can't justify the expense of buying original dual lands and the like.
I also don't agree with the argument that "playing without the ODLs isn't _that_ much worse than playing with them"; as long as there's _some_ amount of advantage to one player or team then the difference is unfair in principle, and the game becomes too much about the need to be or become an 'elite' person who is either relatively very wealthy or relatively very lucky, since they obtained the cards when they were less expensive.
I'd also like to recommend that you introduce yourself at the start of each video. Cheers.
Additional:
If you do a search for:
"What are the names of the different types of lands in Magic?"
you'll find a Reddit thread that has a suggestion for Darkwater Catacombs: "egglands". I don't know if this is the popular term and I think I prefer your "signet land" suggestion, even though it involves more syllables.
I don't oppose the idea. But I don't find it necessary. Or well it might be. One big problem we currently have is that. We don't have enough dual lands to saturate the players that want them. For example. Every legacy and EDH player wanna have dual lands. Just like every blue commander player wanna have a mana drain. Now this can't happen. Not only from a money budget stand point. But from a lack of cards available. Making it hard to get more players in to the game.
So yes. There might be a need for what you call a Modern EDH. What the community have done to fix this is kinda allow proxies, kinda. Know if you don't like proxies, then MODERN EDH!
The problem with brawl is that it rotates. ANd I and many others hate that. So I think Brawl is a bad option to fix this. Also Brawl is 1v1. I have heard others mention thing this ide. But there isn't any movement for it. But one thing that has happened and is a better solution is this.
Budget leages.
You must follow the normal banlist. But your deck won't cost above a certain limit. Lets say 500 $. I think this is fixing must of the problems. It allows dual lands but that means you cant play other expensiv cards.
I think that is a possibility.
@@cedhtv Thanks for the detailed response, I'm not a fan of rotational formats either and basically just want an easy life!
I think the problem is that the edh rules committee has an irrational problem with cedh and have disavowed it without banning it (because that's pretty much impossible), so they expect house rules to fix the problems that they've created, which is horrible because different houses (i.e. different groups of people) have different house rules and this leads to inevitable conflicts.
Modern edh seems like the best and most fiscally responsible solution to achieve consistency and fairness - just as regular Modern did when it was created.
Anyway, thanks for your videos and the thought and effort that you put into them. Hope you get to that Patreon money soon!
@@UncleJamiehave different house rules and this leads to ...
You were cut off. I would like to know what you were intending to write. Because I think you are right.
@@cedhtv Really? That's weird cos it looks fine from here. I'll be a bit annoyed with CZcams if there's some kind of 'Shadow Word-count Limit' cos I do tend to go on a bit...
Anyway, here's the last section of that comment:
..."inevitable conflicts.
Modern edh seems like the best and most fiscally responsible solution to achieve consistency and fairness - just as regular Modern did when it was created.
Anyway, thanks for your videos and the thought and effort that you put into them. Hope you get to that Patreon money soon!"
@@UncleJamie best solution would be getting rid of the reserved list and reprinting the cards ppl need/want.
5:25 My friends and I call these "Filterlands" because you filter mana through them
You can have a look here when you are looking for lands and their names I think :
manabasecrafter.com/r/Zyut2
Looks like your lands are called filter lands.
Fetches and shocks are cheap now 😂
Yes they really have. a lot of reprints.
Filter lands aren't that good. They're good for two color decks usually. Rampant Growth and Farseek are terrible ramp spells. You should try Skyshroud Claim, Harrow, Nature's Lore, Three Visits.
Everything but not three visits
Three visits is not budget
Harrow is barely ramp as well its more fix and landfall. I prefer good old kodamas reach and cultivate over harrow for straight ramp. Harrow does have uses though.
How is Three Visits different from Farseek and Rampant growth? Effectively they are the same in a lot of decks. Skyshroud Claim is way too slow for CEDH.
Reading your comment I can't understand what planet you are from.
Why not just use proxies?
Some people don't like to do that. But also if your playing in a EDH event hosted by let's say channel fireball. Your not allowed to use them.
@@cedhtv You can use them in the EDH event hosted by Channel Fireball.
Some proxies look so good, they look exactly like the real card.
It's better than using weaker cards. It evens out the playing field.
@@usernameunidentified9874 ...and disqualify you.
@@MrEliakimRAS Not if the proxies look exactly like the real card.
@@usernameunidentified9874 Proxies that look exacty like the original card have their own name: counterfeit cards. "Proxy" is a marked basic land used only for testing cards, and doesn't look like the original card at all.