What is seen when Raystown Lake lowers the waters
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- čas přidán 18. 12. 2021
- We went out to Raystown Lake to see things that have not been seen in 40-50 years.
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Hey Scott. We live a couple miles from raystown lake. They left a lot of cinder blocks and picnic tables behind. The reason for this was for fish habitats. My in-laws also lived in aitch and were pretty much forced out when the lake came in. The army Corp of engineers all but stole peoples land and wrote out a small check in order to appear to be nice and were pretty much robbing people
That story is one I will be doing in time. The old raystown dam and what took place.
The nailed branches look like stake beds, made by bass fishermen. Bass relate to structure in the otherwise barren areas, and that stuff, as well as the channels draw bass. I caught the biggest large mouth bass of a 30+ years of trying, in the weed beds that used to be within 10 feet of that culvert. Stake beds are just tree branches fastened to a weight or anchor point.
So the Bass fishermen would actually go out with nails and hammers and pull together drift to make these? That's an insane amount of dedication to fishing for Bass. Even in these parts. (as you probably already know which "points" to go to and drop down for the Striper runs) or even dropping low in the middle of the Juniata to pull out the 20" Trout hiding down there.
@@ODDySEEy I promise, Bass Anglers Sportsmen's Society has been doing exactly that, for 30 years that I know of, in Raystown Lake. Until about 10 years ago, locals also dumped Christmas trees right in that spot, but I think they stopped because people were leaving tinsel and such on the trees. It works, too. If you fish on the upstream side of that culvert, fishing has been slow for 15 years (mostly spawning carp and average bream), but on the downstream side, it's much better.
Neat Neat stuff. I am into abandoned railroads and never thought about exploring old beds displaced by the lake. Great video as always.
Yeah... I am loving the things we find when lake waters get dropped. And I do a lot of trestles and viaducts so the base foundations is where I like to explore for their history.
I really enjoyed the video. This is the area where I grew up. Our house was located between the two farms on this road, close to the parking area by the Brumbaugh homestead. The area where you found all of the bricks was the site of the James Creek Church of the Brethren, now located in Marklesburg. You stated that the was a possible second railroad, what you see there is the township road that connected Aitch and Hesston. On the south side of the railroad bridge there was an area where they loaded rail cars with iron ore mined on the mountain.
A friend sent me a topo map that showed the church, pastors building, barn, and another out building. It also showed that there were a good many other homes along that road and the one that swings around to the other side of that mountain break. I will definitely have to go back and look more closely... if there are foundation remnants of the James Creek Church then there must be remnants of the other buildings too.
@@ODDySEEy I my be able to help identify some of the objects you discovered in your video. When you were walking on the area with all the bricks, in front of the tall pole, that was the site of the church. It was a timber frame structure with thick brick walls. As you walked towards the point the slab of cement was most likely a piece of the wide sidewalk that ran in front of the church. The piece of metal box and the wire you were looking at is located close to the house that was the parsonage and is probably the phone or electric box and ground wire. The one piece of wood in the mud looks like the cross arm from an electric pole that ran along the township road and the water logged piece of wood may be a piece of the timber frame from the church, the building was put together with both wood pegs and large metal spike that look almost like railroad spikes with barbs.
One last item is the white light weight stone you were looking at by the old railroad bed. As I mentioned in my previous message, there was a rail siding in that area where they loaded rail cars with iron ore; they also loaded lime and sand that was mined near by. I have seen some of your other video and know you enjoy exploring quarries. Most likely that white stone is some of lime from the quarry and kiln behind the Weller farm. If you are interested, it is easy to get to and is close to the road, I would be happy to identify the location.
Once again thanks for the videos, this one in particular brings back tons of childhood memories.
Hey Scott, Great video thanks for sharing. It was neat to see the lake at that level. Fished there with my father-in-law for many years. Miles and miles of shoreline.
I have been fishing the shores for a long time too. Heck, caught my first Lake Trout just off of Snyders Run... was the second biggest freshwater fish I had ever seen... what was until the Muskie struck the line. :D
Great video as always Scott. I remember my Dad telling me about scuba divers going down near the breast and seeing old houses. Also supposedly a few were down and saw some pike about 10 feet long. Keep up the Great Work 👍
So the story of the "houses" is made up. It was a very popular topic back when the lake was being filled. There were a lot of really angry people who lost their property through imminent domain and were really screwed. I can confirm that there is nothing but maybe a few foundations of houses and even then, they are most likely NOT visible due to the amount of silt that now covers the bottom of the lake.
10 foot pike lmao.
I got my senior pictures done at brumbaughs!! Imma need to take my magnet their!!!
Don't get caught... PA does not like magnets, digging, or detecting in these types of areas. If you do, tell me what you find and I will delete your post for "plausible deniability". ;)
I just discovered that rail bed last week when playing with Aerial images and wanted to check it out while the water's down. Can't wait to get there in person!
They're supposed to start refilling back to normal sometime in January, but might have to do it again next year Nov-Jan.
I so wanted to drone it. BUT... the lake is on "military" lockdown for drones. Which is really annoying in more ways than one.
I grew up there and can guarantee there are houses underneath the lake…..my grandfathers house is one of them. I have a whole story about the day they let the lake rise when hurricane Agnes came through and filled it in 1972.
Please send me an email with some pictures.
Damn fr bro?
I made arrangements with the local power company to erect those osprey towers while the Land Manager for that part of Raystown. The first year up, a juvenile started bringing in cornstalks for a nest. However, the crappie fisherman were active and it was too much disturbance for her. They never did produce and the speculation was that the mountains above the nest may have been contributing to great horned owl predation.
My foreman for that work crew in that area was always finding arrowheads extremely close to where you filmed your video.
Arrowheads... would make sense. Close to a creek bed in a former field perfect for planting. The osprey are in the area... I just never see them on the towers.
Nice! My 3x great grandparents lived in upstate NY and had their house flooded when the reservoir system for NYC was being developed. I have some pretty good documentation of the before and after, including pictures and letters written to my mother describing it. Of course they didn't get flooded by a hurricane first!
Its funny to talk about hurricane flooding out in this area. 2,000 feet of elevation and 250 miles from any ocean... but even when Ida hit, it was technically not a hurricane here, it was just the leftover rain storms and maybe a little 20-30mph wind. But water on mountains must go somewhere.
Which reservoir was this? See my comment re: another NYS reservoir in the Adirondacks. I used to live in various parts of NY, from the city all the up to Massena in St. Lawrence Co. I moved to Northern Maine a year ago July 2020 from Queens, NYC…a Covid refugee who was retiring anyway! I wasn’t going to move for a few years, but with business and social activities down and crime up, there was nothing holding me there.
dropped my pole right there at 1:16
LOL... hopefully you fished it out with your other pole (no fisherman brings only one pole... especially if you are in a boat).
This is like the Stillwater Reservoir, New York, where they abandoned and flooded a number of homes and a store, and the road to the rest of the village of Beaver River Station to create the reservoir. The surrounding land is owned by the state as a forest preserve. The village was accessible by train until about 1960, but the railroad ceased operation cutting off the main part of the village from road access. The only way to get there now is by boat or on foot, and in winter, by snowmobile or skis. There’s a rustic inn still operating, and maybe a half dozen other people living there who work in the inn or doing maintenance or forestry. If there are young children, they send a van fitted with wheel attachments that enable it to go on the railroad tracks to the nearest highway, about 18 miles. They are transported to the road where they’re picked up by a school bus and taken to the public school about 10 miles north. High school students generally board in town during the weekdays. The state maintains the tracks for this purpose.
Interesting
I use a website that shows old aerial photographs of PA from the 1930s to the 1970s. An aerial picture from 11/11/1938 shows there was a big building where all those bricks are but I am not sure what it was used for.
I was getting ready to reach out to you. I would love to see those pictures. At the same time I just received some stuff from the 60's mapping out the area. Apparently, the building was the James Creek Church :)
NICE !!!!,, Very interesting. Cool find !
It has consumed about 10 hours of my time trying to find what the symbol means/references. Kinda killin me softly.
@@ODDySEEy Dang,, we are a lot alike,, I love solving a problem / puzzle / mystery.. Hate having loose ends.. lol
Huntington and Broad Top rr ran from Huntington toward Bedford, to connect to the mines in that past of the state. They shared the rr station in Huntington with the prr. The dry time to see the lake is in the winter months. Flip the bricks over n see what company made them. I love finding old bricks with names on them
The bricks had no manufacturing stamps nor were any made with a frog or straw. This means they could have been from anywhere, but based on time period they were most likely from Bricktown or Bricktop (Mount Union or Alpharata/Alexandria). The Huntingdon RR and PRR did NOT interconnect and stood independent of each other (unless there is a document specifying an interchange that I have missed). Raystown Lake does not drop water low enough to expose the things you have seen in this video with the exception of the time of this video and late 2022 in order to complete repairs that were unfinished in the first lake drop. i.e. This is a rare occurrence.
The nails in the tree are old fish habitat structures.
I figured... but am more curious of who put them out there and why. DCNR (or PA Forestry or formerly Fish and Game (before they were boat) ) would not have put them in like that. They are the reason for the Turtle boxes, but not these structures with nails.
Very interesting scott, I didnt know they dropped the water level that low
RIGHT! Isn't it weird to see it that low??? It is one thing when we talk about Whipple Dam or Greenwood or pretty much any of the other lakes... but Raystown that low is soooo weird. Imagine if they dropped it even LOWER. :O
Pretty cool seeing everything under the lake. I never saw it this low. I used to be fascinated as a kid when a family friend would take us out on a boat and show us the structures on his fish finder.
Yeah... they really dropped the levels far. It is kinda crazy looking.
That mansion is seriously spooky. And that cemetery on the hill is definitely haunted. I would love to learn the real history of the brumbaugh mansion.
That was one of my very first videos I ever did... if the link doesn't show here, just search for "Brumbaugh Legacy an Abandoned Homestead" here is the link: czcams.com/video/v4-0SNLkcU8/video.htmlsi=3NYEV6KJvLa_41mh
The spikes & nails keep the pieces of wood together and were likely part of fish habitat created by enthusiasts
I received confirmation from some of those "enthusiasts" that they placed them there for the Walleye.
As always, another great video Scott. We spend a lot of time each summer at Raystown Lake. I am curious to know the location you were at before going to Snyder's run.
Brumbaugh Crossing (Just down from Brumbaugh Mansion). Search those terms and you will find the exact location. :D
I'd love to see video of the old Entriken Bridge. It was visible in 2003 but I never found it. I'm told it is across from Tatman launch adjacent the modern Coffee Run bridge. But I've also been told it is as far up as the resort.
I need to verify that and jump in the truck to take a run.
The Right of Way that the culvert ran under was the Huntingdon and Broad Top Mountain railroad. I forget if you had included the name of the railroad or not. Also, the H&BTM was not affiliated with nor interchanged with the similarly named East Broad Top Railroad.
Thanks for that!
very very cool!! been there only one time in my life..
It is a really cool lake because it is still absolutely WILD. You have your state park portions and boat launches, but the majority of this lake is just WILD WOODS surrounding a serene lake.
@@ODDySEEy always appreciate the wilds wherever I go!!
Maybe those spikes in the stumps and branches were for an old fence bc there were farms flooded when they built the dam
I was leaning toward actual "traffic control" signage... that road is not a DCNR access road. It was actually a REAL ROAD :D It was where Weller Road connected with Garner Road and Backbone Road :D I think I am going to do a follow-up video with info I have found on this location... but at the same time I am looking right now to try and hit some other spots around the lake while the water is still down.
Funny I was just at that spot just earlier today and it does look like it is being filled again. I grew up a mile or so away and used to catfish the tunnel that goes under the R.R. bed. The last time I saw it this low was in late 91' early 92' when there was a massive drought.
All I gotta say to your post is...COLD. LOL
I remember visitng the cottage of my parents' friends who told us that it would soon be under water because a lake was being made.
There was already a lake formed by in 1913 by the first Raystown Dam. But yes, the second dam took up much more land on the Western side of the lake when filled.
Hi! I’m just discovering your videos. I really enjoy each one. The only thing I will say is the name is said broom-bah. I’m married to a Brumbaugh.
Thanks for joining.
Hahaha. I found that hole at Trough Creek last year took a picture of it and never sent it to you!
I have been fishing that hole for about 30 years :) That is why I did the whole 360 from the rock that you can never get to (the really big one in the middle of the run)
Why did they lower the level of the water? My grandmother lived in Mt Union & told me about the homes that were flooded with the creation of the lake. Raystown is a very pretty area that I like to visit on trips back to Huntingdon County.
Normally water is lowered in order to stop ice from expanding into the water flow gates at the top of the spillway. In this case, the only thing I saw was that they intended to execute some "repairs" on something.
Boat launch maintenance
the limb nailed to stump is for fish structure / habitat,i believe.
yes and no... wasn't for habitat as in "to give them one", turns out it was "to make them have one for fishing purposes".
nailed the logs to the stumps to hold them down for the fish
Is this still common?
Do you know what mile marker they were? I’m curious to know. I’m going up soon so I want to see what it looks like underwater
After Marker 14, head due NORTH off the main lake toward the J3 PGC mitigation area. This is the furthest northern point in J3.
where on the lake were you? if you said it, i missed it. that old bridge/tunnel looked awesome
Search for the Brumbaugh Mansion ;)
you look great friend, thanks for sharing this video
Thank you! 🤗
They flooded a town called aitch ,i remember a story that they didnt tear down the houses or remove the cemetery, buy that could be folklore like raystown ray
The town of AITCH was flooded intentionally, yes. All of the houses were picked up and moved up the mountain by the government or bought outright and destroyed with debris removed from area. Those who did not sell for the "theft" price ended up getting even less and were pushed out by imminent domain. All that remains are "some", not all, of the foundations and even they are under a foot of sediment now. :)
FUN FACT: The town is named AITCH not Aitch. Because AITCH is an acronym formed by the first letter of the last name of the most prominent land owners in the Woodcock Valley when the town was formed.
Hey man I just found your channel from the Green Man video and have watched two videos this one being the third so far... I'm diggin it (is all of this in Pennsylvania or are you a traveler?) I know a couple I've seen are in Pennsylvania but I'm just curious I live in Delaware that's why I asked
For right now I am a Pennamite doing my home state. As the channel grows the hopes are to start hitting other states.
That's cool.... thank you so much for the reply
Hey Scott. If you are ever in my area (Ottsville PA, Bucks Co) let me know and I’ll meet you for lunch and tell you my fascinating Raystown story.
Good ol' Ottsville... right along 611 (sorry, Easton Rd), home to Ow ow cow ice cream... LOL Been in that neighborhood a lot growing up. Use to visit Nockamixon before I found the real woods of PA. I will give you a heads up when I am down there. Probably sometime in the mid to late spring... gotta lot of sites to visit and record around all of lower NEPA.
Yikes, those nails would not be nice to an inflatable raft! lol. But I am not very familiar with that area & don't know if the water level is high enough (normally) to not be a concern. Nice good size clam & mussel shells!
The water in this area is usually only about 4-7 feet deep at best.
Structure at 12:30 is a fish hiding place? Maybe that’s why the nails?
Johny Stevens said that the actual bass fishermen put them out there for the Bass. Makes sense and I kinda knew what they were... just the whole part of non-ecologically friendly material placed in unsafe manners at unsafe locations was what was catching me off guard.
Could those branches and stumps with nails in them be what's left of purposely drowned structures to attract crappies for increasing the odds of catching them, as opposed to being unknown to competitors?
Yes. Someone else made a comment that they actually know those whom put them out there to create "fishing" structures (more than fish habitat)... i.e. intentional in order to attract certain fish for personal fishing preferences.
i have not been to that part of the the lake yet since it was down but during the summer i jump off that railroad trusle
Now you know what is under the water :D (sometimes it is good to know... sometimes we would be better off not knowing)
The bricks are from an old church that stood in that area.
I forgot to do an addendum :) I will catch up with this during the week. James Creek Church ;)
Wonder if any missing cars & people were found when the water receded?
I can tell you I am not the only person who has been "mud larking" in the water recession... nothing has popped up on police transmissions or newspaper... YET ;)
@@ODDySEEy have you watched any of the Adventures with Purpose water recovery videos? They recently found a young woman & her child that had been missing 23 years. This was in Russellville AR. I can see that you would enjoy some sonar time!
Surprised there aren't more beer cans at the bottom of party cove.
I think there are groups of people that go out and clean up the lake area. As for the parking lot right before that area, it is totally trashed. And this is not actually party cove. I did drive down to party cove and it was really cool to see it BONE DRY... ALL OF IT. But, you cannot easily get to it from the road because it is too steep.
Think that would’ve been a fence!
Explain? How do you see it as a fence? (truly curious)
Hm I’m going to have to rewatch and see what I was talking about lol
Oh the stumps with nails. Because the first time I watched it looked like the were fence posts that were almost completely covered with mud tho
@@dbproductions2767 ahh... the nail stumps. I was told by said culprits that "local fishermen put them in as a structure for the walleye to gather". ;)
@@ODDySEEy I was just thinking about you today! Actually checked out your channel when I got home from work hoping for a new vid! When will we get a new one?
Ok so im new to this channel but believe in hauntings and ghosts so let me ask you this, the tunnel by the horseshoe curve do you believe it's haunted?
This should answer that question: czcams.com/video/nmHFGdNiSWE/video.html
Where on Raystown are you?
Baughman Ruins
Was the video taken recently?
Wednesday
@@ODDySEEy thank you for replying. We don't live far away was wanted to go check it out. Have a great day
Did you happen to hang on to that coal? I still need to get something for my kids for Christmas.
Of course I held onto that coal... it is warming up the house now. ;)
@@ODDySEEy I think we need to know who was the guy that woke up one day and decided, "you know what? I'm gonna see if I can set that black rock on fire." Odd, but he has less to explain than the guy that discovered that getting milk from a cow was a thing.
The mark on the stone that looks like a "19" is the Masons mark
I have not been able to match it up with any Masonic cyphers or characters. But I wouldn't doubt it.
Buried for purpose
Haven't gotten the answer yet. Was hoping here in the comments.
Looked like it would have been a good, informative video, I'll never know because of the annoying, unneeded music. Too bad.
Annoying uneeded music... you mean like your comment?