Mine's R34 GTR vs Cosworth STI Touge Battle
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- BEST MOTORING - American Touge 3
INTIAL D TOUGE RULES -
- Lead and follow tandem, no passing.
- Leader wins if gap increases. Follower wins if gap is reduced.
Mine's R34 GTR -- 2.6ltr I6 590hp 1450kg (3196lb)
Dynocomp STI -- 2.5ltr F4 620hp 1480kg (3262lb)
The look of pride on his face as he asks "let's see how it does up front"....priceless. The Mines's R34 GTR. Has to be one of the greatest tuned cars ever.
"does that mean we won?" So cheeky, I love it.
Mine's GTR has one of the fastest revving engines I've seen.
Ditto, revs as if it were a motorcycle, just sweeps thru the rpms like crazy
They kept it at 2.6 liters and lowered the weight of the rotating assembly.
It’s too bad the R35 is not the same
@@10394925 Also shorter diff ratio's ;) they cheekily do not mention.
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that mines spec is just pure utter class..
he did a fantastic job on her !
Watching Mine’s R34 GTR from behind is just madness. That response is mind blowing. Legendary build! Gojira!!
Tsuchiyas lines are so cleeeean
Mines and Top Secret are my favorite Japanese tuners. Love the old V option videos.
STI got cooked.
if you actualy read the specs, its as light as a r32. Thats damn light for that lightly modedd 600hp mines skyline
In my opinion (please don't hate me):
Cosworth STi's gear ratio setting was a bit wide for the course, maybe also the reason why it understeers. But it's acceleration is amazing.
And maybe Kazama-san is probably not used to those wide gear ratios.
Mine's R34 gear ratio setting was just right. The rest of the car are well-balanced.
Besides, Tsuchiya-san is already racing since his debut in 1985 Fuji Freshman Series. So we can expect great skills from him.
I'd say it's a matter of getting used to it. You should drive the way that works with the car. That's all I can say.
"In my opinion"
lol You just repeated what Hot version or Kazama said. I'm sure you watched the English dubbed or subbed video before commenting.
in all honesty, the sti was more suitable for that small twisty track. put on a "real" circuit, like suzuka, the gtr would demolish the sti and thats a lot comming from a supra lover
I didn't used to like r34's because they looked too big to be practical, but damn i'm falling deeper in love with every vid i see it in. This car is a MONSTER!!!
Its not often that a 10 year old video makes its way to being in my feed and such a cool video.
They're shfting is unbelievable so fast and smooth
They have straight policies. Response over everything so it seems. Makes the Mine´s GTRs superior in combination with Super-HICAS on corner heavy tracks where response is everything.
yeah you have a good point there the understeer in the Subaru is very noticeable limits the driver to drive the way he wants.
it always amazes me how two totally different cars can achieve a more or less identical result
Yep, it's not like the videogames.
Good 'ole "Choke Artist" Kazama, back at it again
Was gonna make a music video out of the footage, watermark killed it
@ 1:22, did anyone else see the throttle cutting out, the driver had the pedal to the floor and the car stopped accelerating, I know that The STI is drive by wire, but i have never seen that happen, does anyone know what happened?
I’ve watched this video 100s of times and have never noticed that lol
The only GT-R to be dubbed "Godzilla" was the R32 GT-R cause it destroyed everything in the Australian touring car championship. So i dont know why people call 33, 34 and 35 GT-R's "Godzilla". There is only one Godzilla and that is the R32 GT-R.
It won because is faster but as we saw, the STI driver did one mistake understeer on one curve so the mine’s got the final advantage, was good to try again the same race twice
That Mines is a legend no doubt.
BUT ... I would like to see a rematch vs the RCM Gobbstopper v1
THE BEAUTIFULL SONIDO IMPREZA
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Feel bad for Mr. Niikura. He brought the R34 all that way from Japan just to battle an American tuned pos.
now that's some amazing driving
Did they really think they had a chance against Mines tho, It's Japanese tuned, and it's MINES.
Impreza is still very awesome car. But of course, Mine's is the best tuning company for GTR in the world so.
Mines r34 has an advantage over an sti in corners.
sti has advantage in the straights?
wtf did they do to break that sti?
maybe a used zr1 but the zr1 new is over 100k new, I'd go with the new 2013 gtr since it's cheaper and faster on a track than the zr1, but you know that sti was tuned decently to even be that close to the monster mine's r34
The footwork 💯
the driver in STi is not used to RHD car, he had problems with shifting
Everything in Japan is RHD... The driver was Japanese.
when you drive a car with that much torque and power, on a track like this and you go redline but next gear will force you another shift before cornering, this means gear ratio is not suitable to the track and you loose time shifting or by missing shiftpoint knowingly because it´s not wort a shift.
Do you see how he´s working on the pedals in the STI? He´s already heel toe shifting like hell while the Skyline has a easy time. Tribute to the Kazama because he really had a hard time.
But the GT-R is a Turbo inline-6 as opposed to the turbo flat-4 in the STI. HP isn't everything, it's not a fair match because the GTR has a better AWD system than this Impreza. Mine is the premier GTR tuning shop in Japan.
Vision33r uh,who cares? Sti still had more hp and its awd is up there with gtrs awd. Sti just sucked this time
AlienNinjaPuppy Nissan’s awd system is so much more advanced than subaru’s
Is it? What makes you say that?
The beauty of Mine's cars are they all were built for balance. Instead of just pursuing big power, they focused on response and neutral handling albeit GTR is an AWD. They were not even bother with unnecessary things. For example, to get better aero, they just added better front bumper with canards to improve front grip and leaving other parts as stock, which made the car has less understeer and avoid unnecessary drag in high speed.
What about the mad weight difference?
Damn close... driver error by Kazama.
How on earth is that boat of a gtr sooooooo light? >_
Heh typical, The american STi had a strong engine and the Japanese R34 had better brakes and suspension tuning
How does the mines r34 loose so much weight!
it didn't...it was still around 1590kg
the keys to the mines speed is the ratios, diffs and overall tuning for response rather than overpower it. ive sat in one very similar - a guy who was trying to copy the exact tune at a car show, and let me tell you up to 3rd gear was enough to make me want to remortgage my house and buy one of these.. and that exactly what i did .. LOL
It's all about balance, right?
+tubeboy hiya..
yes balance is correct, but also need the right amount of power and response, then when it's all mixed up you get a serious beast.
many people think bang outright power is the key, when they are very wrong.
since I brought mine, I have around 600hp and drive it on 500hp unless I need to show off etc overtake blah blah...
and my friend has recently brought a tuned m3 turbo with 700hp, we went to some open roads in Surrey hills UK, he cannot keep up, or even get close to overtake.. I have tried to copy the mines setup as close as possible but with a z tune customs wider body..
currently being retuned more with my tuner and I intend to post up some footage once it's complete..
Farhan B Damn, I don't even have own car...
the sti was not even supposed to race the r34, it was actually the next runner up, there was another r34 made by xs engineering supposed to run against it, but it had engine failure. the sti was not even tuned properley suspension was what cost this race, the sti with the right tuning would have no problem being as good if not better than the mines' who are bunch of bragging assholes anyway
Kazama race for a living, he knows left and right hand drive
Of course, he just mis-shifted this battle and lost. When do you see Tsuchiya mis-shifted?
Vision33r many times in Best Motoring
Wasn't Kazama one of the D1 drifters on Top Gear who showed Hammond how to properly drift in a Holden Monaro?
Yes! That is the guy
RHD means right-hand drive. He's refering to the seat position, not the drive-train.
Let Tsuchiya drives the Cosworth STI; he adapts waay better he is the Japan DK.
what some seem to not realize, it wasnt a cosworth Subaru vs a stock R34. it was an equally upgraded R34. good race, and yes the modded r34 beat the modded subaru.
2:35 How TF does a wrx have a skyline beat on a straight?
You can tell that the GTR has way better corner exit traction.
Fair? it shouldn't be fair, it's about what you can do to your car to win. Mine's tuning is only basic also, that's their moto and always have been, is it fair on them that their car is only basic tuned compared to their opponents with more under the hood? They don't bring their fastest r34 GTR, only if they actually see a reason why they should, usually they bring the 2nd fastest of three. They care more about response, handling and balance, not big power
Mark So
Fuck me dead the driving skill is insane
The STi was LHD. They're used to it.
dori dori is so happy for this race
while i agree with you, it is worth pointing out that all of the cars you mention would be a fraction of the cost of either the sti or gtr in this video.
and on the same tires imo the zr1 could keep up ;)
Lol the ZL1 keep up with the Mines!?!? No way!!!
Name of the music in the beginning, please.
to the consumer a cosworth motor alone is going to cost more than a stock STI. and that is almost assuredly the cheaper car in this video ;) again, a dedicated tuner shop can do this for less, but including their profit margins, for someone like you or me the ZR1 is a much cheaper option. Not to mention street legal.
and that is almost assuredly the cheaper car in this video ;)
Aren't cosworth only the pistons on that Sti??
Cosworth are a British engine and powertrain builder, they don't just make parts.
nice cars
Can you put a Formula 1 engine in that R34? I just want to know besides all the monitoring and startup sequences.
Cosworth dude ! google it, a serious tunning company. They made F1 engines, Rally engines, Road Racing engines, etc, etc, etc. Anyways, Mine's R34 is so finely tuned its almost impossible to beat..
If it's tuned with parts other than Cosworth as well it isn't a Cosworth.
2019 Love gtr
well said
Both Mines, & Cosworth are extraordinary tuning companies! It could go either way really. Plus its 70% driver imo. See what happens if you put Tsuchiya in the STi. Regardless, they are both fresh ass cars, and there no reason to argue about who's better.
The AWD of Subaru is useless, the car under steers like hell and the lack of ABS makes it handle poorly. I don't think such poor handling stand a chance against God..zilla.
+ATTESA ET-S NISMO N ATTACK 東瀛戰神 R34 Z TUNE true but hey, the subaru had a unmatching gear ratio that time, if it had the matching gear ratio, the match would've been close. But, the problem about this one wasn't just the gears, it was pushing too much power for this course, which cause the huge amount of understeer to occur. If it had less power, it would've been easily balance. But again, Impreza GDB were known for horrible understeer anyway but so does the R34 although it would last longer by a lap. But hey, the R34 will wear off due to heavy weight pushing or compressing into the tires in the front too. Well that's what the ATTESA-ETS is for right? xD
Well let's be fair. The Subarus bread-and-butter is off of the pavement. It also has four doors and is one third of the price. That being said the GTR is far superior. Now that I think about it I would like to see the GTR take on the rally stage. I don't believe the GTR's differentials would cope very well. Especially a modern GTR being heavily reliant on electronic intervention. Anyway still was worth watching.
Also STI's AWD is not useless. The managed to take 1st in every rally stage in the United States and Japan last year. As well as dominating every car in his class as well as many in the class above at the 24H of NBR the past two years. I also find the 35's powertrain layout to be not cohesive to international motorsport. A high mounted DOHC with a transaxle and that double driveshaft weirdness puts power down. But at the cost of weight high center of gravity price and complexity. Does the R 34 share the same drivetrain traits? I always liked the R34, it's a damn unicorn in the states.
GTRking1000 Exactly, it has too much power and that proves my point. The DCCD AWD system works different than GT-R's ATTESA. The ATTESA is RWD until you slip more than the yaw rate feedback control allows. In other word, you can use the throttle to control the yaw of the car and the AWD will split effective power to front axle then pull you out while DCCD sends a lot of power to front axle which leads the front to lose traction before the rear and reduce its handling adjust-ability.
True fact and agreeable indeed :).
the dream
seems like driver mod XD
Now drivers switch cars 🧐
As soon as I heard that cheesy American voice I sighed, I suppose the driving made up for it though!
racist
that voice makes me so pissed lol
aaron i Yea me too.. I mean I'm born in America as a Filipino but it's better to hear the Japanese and eng subs
So does Tsuchiya except he retired. Between Kazama and Tsuchiya, I have to go with Tsuchiya for Touge. Kazama is better with hot laps than Touge.
well. it's really good to see that that car is in the care of such a mature individual. i give it a week before you've wrapped yourself around a pole. also, if you care to notice, I actually don't like nissan. read my profile. then kindly grow up, and keep your rude, racist and misplaced comments to yourself.
what do gear ratios have to do with understeer
Gear ratios affect speed, if a certain corner is best for certain gear, then a gear that is too fast may mean too fast corner speed on entry. If you switch one gear lower, you may be nearing the top range of the RPM band on corner exit too soon. These are manual transmission cars, and shifting to the next gear also costs time. Torque on mid range RPM is ideal on when you're mid-corner. It can be frustrating to tackle corners when the gear ratios don't match a corner's speed. This is my best understanding... I am not a pro by any means.
@@Jojo_Bee could not have said it better
You obviously have never been to the track
america thinks they can jdm lol
for the record, the actual owner of this profile is unaware of anything other than eat my rice as a joke... what was it?
very sad this never raced at gunsai against RE amemiya, MCR, AMuse, J's thats the real sad issue.
kasuyuki was no match for tsuchiya* there we go, i fixed that for you
The Impreza was no match for Godzilla.
:09 so simple, so mean.
RB just sounds better .. sti was very quick way short gears
Get that STI tuned right it should dominate
That but also its a 06-07 STI which has a 41:59 power split ratio, the STI's prior had 35:65 and oversteered more not understeered. In japan all STIs until 2008 had the 35:65 power split so more RWD bias. The STI in the video is US market unfortunatly..JDM market is far better. if they needed to use a US market STI it should have been 2005 but either way it has the inferior EJ257 and not the JDM market EJ207.
You put dori Dori on the mine gtr
That’s unfair
Forget about those 2 cars.. The EG was the boss
Nice cars! What the retail for one of those? More that I can affoard pals... :(
Godzilla vs all= KO😂😂😂😂
Well I never argued you being wrong.
I have no idea why they would even dare to compare the legend of r34 to a modern subi... Much less the Mine's tune. Smfh
arian13 more like the americans are too naive there , thinking they have a chance against legends
arian13 maybe just to see were their at ?
Driver swap and do it again. Would have been a lot closer if dude could have managed the gears, ya know like a pro driver.
Nik Coffman you are the only sensible person here. it takes an absence of critical thinking to be shitting on the car for a fault of the driver
Wouldn't make much difference. Kazama is also a pro driver. We all know Tsuchiya can do wonders in a car but that STi just isn't set up well at all. The Mine's R34 is the best street/track R34 GTR tuned by a legend. It would win this battle regardless. Especially the way it did in that situation.
do u even know who kazama is?
Nope but do you know who Peter is?
im the least thing you'll find that resembles anything american, in fact i hate A LOT of things about america. if you watched the rest of the actual footage of this race, it is true that the other skyline was supposed to run against the mines, while it had problems the next runner up (sti) was put in its place and you will see from the other footage i am in fact correct about the sti being poorly tuned, it is hard to tune an sti, especially on a touge, sti's are not american, the tuner was
If they would of put all that STI parts on a GC8 it would of been a different story.
Pedro Pena keep dreaming dude
GC8 is 300kg lighter m8
Pedro Pena and they should have put all the R34 parts on an r32...your arguement is pointless
AR 97 r32 was not so much better than 34 but still gears in STI are not fitted for the track.
its not light.
Well that what you say is seen a lot in American politics, more arguing about what they did wrong in the past than what has to be done to fix the country :p However that winner mentality comes from Europeans from the past until not even that long ago. Americans dont longer see themselves as EU's looking for opportunities in a different land but see themselves as Americans who are the best in everything, not knowing anything about the rest of the world. Dw, Asia is claiming its throne back :p
hahaha, "does that mean we won?".
:LOL sti driver fails at shifting? so you're better.... he is a good driver they get like 10mins runs in the sti.. before competeing in a GTR. all the top Hot version racers including the Sti driver..
the guy in the skyline is a way better driver man...
serkan kilic Keiichi Tsuchiya is the employer of Kazama for Kei Office though hahaha
Lol....
500-700 hp is a perfect track car, 700-900 hp is a good drift car and 1k+ is good for drag racing.
If you want the perfect track car you gotta have balance of everything. The Mines R34 GTR is a good example of that.
I would still perfer that toyota celica hill climb car that beat the escudos, it had perfect power to weight.
yeaknow why america acts like this, well look at what this country was founded on... Competition, yes people wanted land more than anything because who had the land had the votes and in turn power. now later on down the road what does a competition based mind set turn into? i would say an extremely judgmental attitude, always searching out the competition to find their weakness to overcome/1-up them. apology on the 1st comment, i was more angry when i wrote in in reply to the other guy
Thats what an excusemaking American says when he sees an American product losing. As an European, with no patriotic prejudices, I can tell you that Mine's is one of the best tuning companies in the world which never brags. Japenese people arent braggers in the first place, more like the opposite. Actually maybe you should watch yourself in your American mirror. Now in this vid an American car can do nothing more than be fast in a straight line, thats nothing new, welcome to American carhistory.
my bad i meant wanna be american
Skyline winner 🥇 👍 wrx sti losser 👎👎
Well as far as I can see, as someone who is actually studying towards Asia, I see an ignorant American with a weird smile on his face offering his fat hand, with this shoving his culture into someones elses throat at 1:00. The Japanese sir reacts humble and introvert and this has to do with his cultural background. There is nothing arrogant about this reaction at all. However shoving your culture into someones throat, which america is very familiar with, is arrogant. Sometimes unconsciously tho.
STI driver fails at shifting. Anyways the GT-R is better because more HP, better cornering,and Tsuchiya is the better driver.