What makes Magnus Carlsen so good at chess | GothamChess and Lex Fridman

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Komentáře • 657

  • @snipzmattio5887
    @snipzmattio5887 Před rokem +2580

    When Magnus plays weird move he is a 'genius' and a 'chess prodigy'; but when i do it i get called and idiot and 400 elo

    • @apimpnamedslickback5936
      @apimpnamedslickback5936 Před rokem +147

      All that matters is if you win💀. When I blunder a queen and then checkmate in like 6 moves after I say it was a sack

    • @journees4300
      @journees4300 Před rokem +33

      Well, like Lord Hans always says: “Chess speaks for itself” 😅

    • @sanderkvenild8947
      @sanderkvenild8947 Před rokem +40

      Difference is he can follow through with his calculated line, ending in a better position than he started with. You get confused 2 moves later and abandon the line.

    • @generic395
      @generic395 Před rokem +3

      You got it easy, when Hans does it, he gets called a bot.

    • @jaideepshekhar4621
      @jaideepshekhar4621 Před rokem +7

      My god, Hans d riders invaded this space too? XD
      Why don't you dolts explain to me why Hans is scared shitless to analyse/explain HIS OWN GAMES?

  • @NathanGraves928
    @NathanGraves928 Před rokem +196

    My dad played Levi in Dallas 2 years ago (or maybe it was Vegas). Had a drawn position but lost it (my dad is trying to make master at 60 years old). He’s about 2100 right now. Quit for a long, long time in his “prime”, before computers came and changed the chess game. Levi was kind enough to go over the game 2 years ago with my dad. A rare thing when an IM beats an expert. Very down to earth guy

    • @prodmoira
      @prodmoira Před 4 měsíci +6

      Hope your dad can do it❤

  • @TheChessNeck
    @TheChessNeck Před rokem +1116

    "They have to swim on their own" that was a cool quote. Like Magnus is taking them to the depths where you really need to know how to swim well.

    • @labramso
      @labramso Před rokem +18

      That’s such a common phrase

    • @TheChessNeck
      @TheChessNeck Před rokem +18

      @@labramso yeah I hear it in mma/boxing a lot. Still always sounds cool to me. Lol. I imagine just a 1on1 out in the ocean. All alone

    • @mastermax2792
      @mastermax2792 Před rokem +35

      I just imagine Magnus yeeting a kid into the deepest pool 😂

    • @ARS1508
      @ARS1508 Před rokem +8

      “Kid is on their own”

    • @BlueGrovyle
      @BlueGrovyle Před rokem +17

      "The kids swim for themselves"

  • @52000rightwing
    @52000rightwing Před rokem +1272

    Levy is very good at explaining the nuts and bolts of the game. Not just, “if he takes here then I will recapture, blah blah.”

    • @brbcrew9957
      @brbcrew9957 Před rokem +23

      Blah blah of shame

    • @theurbanalgorithm
      @theurbanalgorithm Před rokem +12

      Pure commentator

    • @tatzka90
      @tatzka90 Před rokem +28

      I can't teach my 8yo chess for 10 minutes but this guy taught kids many hours a day before covid. I guess that's where it stems from.

    • @songokulul
      @songokulul Před rokem +13

      He's a great player, as well. I think he could be much better if he spent less time on the social aspect of being a chess player as opposed to just focusing on chess. But hey, he can do what he wants.

    • @himanshusalunkhe9602
      @himanshusalunkhe9602 Před rokem +8

      is this a shot at agadmator? If yes, I agree

  • @miroslavstankov7919
    @miroslavstankov7919 Před rokem +622

    Magnus is simply on another level, in a league of his own.

    • @r00tw00t
      @r00tw00t Před rokem

      He is cheating I have 'anal'yzed his games thoroughly

    • @bobjones5825
      @bobjones5825 Před rokem +12

      Rolled by Hans Niemann

    • @MeatBunFul
      @MeatBunFul Před rokem +55

      @@bobjones5825 yeah that one loss totally made him way better than magnus

    • @apocalypseap
      @apocalypseap Před rokem +16

      @@bobjones5825 Are you trolling? Because Magnus has lost to GM kids just fine. Getting beat once by someone doesn't mean that much.

    • @bobjones5825
      @bobjones5825 Před rokem

      @@apocalypseap Hans is the new goat. You will see shortly

  • @igormorais4192
    @igormorais4192 Před rokem +348

    Carlsen has an eidetic chess memory, as well as just being a creative genius. It's hard to beat someone with either of those things, he's the greatest at both.

    • @Morphysince94
      @Morphysince94 Před rokem +1

      pffff

    • @newt2120
      @newt2120 Před rokem +7

      dont all GMs have eidetic memory?

    • @trequor
      @trequor Před rokem +25

      Most GMs (all super-GMs) have a perfect memory when it comes to chess. You need a stellar IQ to be any kind of chess champion to start with

    • @trequor
      @trequor Před rokem +8

      ​@@newt2120 Virtually all. Some might achieve GM status through sheer brute force studying, but most can memorize entire games... and hundreds of them.

    • @deanwilliams433
      @deanwilliams433 Před rokem +34

      @@trequor High IQ and chess ability has been disproven many times. In other terms lots of the skills that chess players have in terms of memory don't transfer to non-chess tasks. They are highly optimized for chess.

  • @rudolphschmidt313
    @rudolphschmidt313 Před rokem +418

    It's incredibly rare to see a champion dominate his sport so much as magnus has. Especially when there's as much competition in the sport as there is.

    • @apocalypseap
      @apocalypseap Před rokem +3

      Well, maybe not so much if Hans gets to keep playing...

    • @piergiorgio919
      @piergiorgio919 Před rokem +1

      @@apocalypseap there really isnt any evidence to show that he is cheating over the board tho

    • @27k3u4
      @27k3u4 Před rokem +2

      maybe he is cheating and therefore he is sure niemann cheated.

    • @tasnimulsarwar9189
      @tasnimulsarwar9189 Před rokem

      @@piergiorgio919 what about the 70 page report? What do you make of it?
      I haven't read it but I'm curious as to know what you make of it.

    • @piergiorgio919
      @piergiorgio919 Před rokem +11

      @@tasnimulsarwar9189 if you read the report you'd know it literally says there's nothing suspicious about niemann's OTB chess, it only talks about online chess

  • @user-mz2kb5mw1d
    @user-mz2kb5mw1d Před rokem +791

    Didn't expect Levy to come across so well but he did. Well spoken and intelligent guy, good choice of guest again Lex! Legends

    • @withoutwarningwow
      @withoutwarningwow Před rokem +31

      U all need to join Levy's channel... Hes soo connected.. Love from Norway

    • @stagename2
      @stagename2 Před rokem +64

      Levy has a couple different gears that he switches between.

    • @TooChillery
      @TooChillery Před rokem +30

      That’s weird that you initially thought that

    • @jornavyr2459
      @jornavyr2459 Před rokem +12

      Well, that's because he's disingenuous. Actually speak to the guy for a minute, and you'll realise what an absolute piece of filth that he is. But, when it's time to reach out to a new platform, then it's brown nose Levy going full force.

    • @hegeliandianetik2009
      @hegeliandianetik2009 Před rokem +6

      @@jornavyr2459 and when did you speak to him to ascertain this information?

  • @stockstuff7259
    @stockstuff7259 Před rokem +30

    Still one of my favorite pod casts and interviewers. The more I watch the more I enjoy and appreciate it . Quickly crawling into my top ten people I'd love to have dinner with and pick their mind. Keep up the great work!

  • @apocalypseap
    @apocalypseap Před rokem +92

    I think the real problem is that people don't get that Stockfish is evaluating a move based on a high level/perfect response. Maybe the person is not going to see that response at all, and that's where "knowing your opponent" REALLY comes into play. You can't just take look at the engine move and say "that move will always be bad." Maybe a particular opponent will be fooled by the first appearance of a particular structure and make a rash decision. It's happened many times.

    • @marcomaniaci8821
      @marcomaniaci8821 Před rokem +8

      I think I get what you're saying but the way you described it sounds like hope chess, playing a move that isn't the best in hopes that your opponent falls for it. I think what you're getting at is that you need to understand the reason and succession of moves before you play something. Otherwise you shouldn't?

    • @apocalypseap
      @apocalypseap Před rokem +1

      @@marcomaniaci8821 exactly. Exploit your opponents weaknesses. That's how you win.

    • @thebcwonder4850
      @thebcwonder4850 Před 8 dny

      ⁠@@marcomaniaci8821 almost all prep is high-level “hope chess”, getting to a position where your opponent can get into a bad position really quickly if they don’t play the best moved

    • @marcomaniaci8821
      @marcomaniaci8821 Před 8 dny

      @@apocalypseap yeah on a very basic level I agree, no one is going to play the perfect line that a computer will therefore the best move isn’t necessarily the human viable option, I think my only gripe is that there is such a thing as optimal moves within a position so the idea that I’ll taylor a move to an opponent sounds off to me, perhaps I’ll play a different opening depending on a player profile? But the best move is the best move and that’s what I’ll always be looking for against an opponent. Let me know if I misinterpreted.

    • @marcomaniaci8821
      @marcomaniaci8821 Před 8 dny

      @@thebcwonder4850 Yeah good players definitely squeeze water from stone. I don’t know if it’s hope chess since if the player doesn’t go the engine line they are usually also going to be playing viable moves which against another pro won’t generate TOO large of an advantage, but is the edge most players need to get a win, I agree with the notion though, gaining advantage by out prepping. I wouldn’t say that prep is based on hoping your opponent fails to play the proper move, there’s still a lot more game to play beyond the opening

  • @jonathanchristopher1099
    @jonathanchristopher1099 Před rokem +82

    I remember one interview of Magnus (I don't remember with who) when asked how he creates a strategy and he said something to the effect of: It's not so much strategy but when a move "doesn't look right" I somehow try to make my position look right. He also said he doesn't know how he does that, he just is able to when something doesn't look right.

    • @mi_-lt4ws
      @mi_-lt4ws Před rokem +29

      That’s called intuition

    • @wooshifgay462
      @wooshifgay462 Před 7 měsíci

      All good players can do that, magnus just does it better

  • @loftiswrites
    @loftiswrites Před rokem +31

    Great collab. Love all the chess love, Lex.

  • @TheChessNeck
    @TheChessNeck Před rokem +225

    It is hard to explain why he is so good. He just is and I don't even think he could fully explain it. Obviously he has studied a lot, but so have the other GMs he destroys lol

    • @FoxenPiano
      @FoxenPiano Před rokem

      He had the strongest buttplug.

    • @SideStrafed
      @SideStrafed Před rokem +20

      Not only is his memory for memorizing lines and theory absolute world class but he’s one of the greatest chess tacticians. Being the greatest end game player of all time I think Magnus is so much better because he’s just so exceptionally well rounded. Unlike other GM’s that could rival Magnus in one particular category but can’t compare to him in another.

    • @ShomilSaxena
      @ShomilSaxena Před rokem +32

      Its not rocket science lol . he isn't the most creative player but likes experimenting, he just plays extremely solid throughout all his games and maintains constant pressure over his opponent's pieces all the time. Ultimately the opponent makes one small slip up and magnus capitalizes on it HARD and staying solid throughout ensures that he can bounce back from the mistakes he himself makes . this is coupled with him playing near perfect endgames like an engine .
      "Extracting water from rock" summarizes Mag pretty much

    • @ObiAmajoyiSrMD
      @ObiAmajoyiSrMD Před rokem +19

      @@ShomilSaxena your explanation didn’t add anything to the conversation.
      “It’s not rocket science”

    • @ShomilSaxena
      @ShomilSaxena Před rokem +2

      @@ObiAmajoyiSrMD it literally did but ok

  • @TheMg49
    @TheMg49 Před rokem +4

    Good conversation. Rozman has one of the best CZcams chess channels that I've viewed. Thanks

  • @Triathlon.
    @Triathlon. Před rokem +3

    There is always an agreed-upon platform to measure who is the best in a sport. Regardless of monetary compensation. Great point.

  • @ra5hid101
    @ra5hid101 Před rokem +8

    What levy meant was that in a complex endgame , the players wont play accurately all the time.

  • @jimmytwotimes802
    @jimmytwotimes802 Před rokem +33

    Levi is really good at explaining complex parts of the game for the average person. He has the best CZcams channel to learn from.

    • @michaela5311
      @michaela5311 Před rokem +4

      His channel is great but I think there are a few more in the best category for learning.

    • @jimmytwotimes802
      @jimmytwotimes802 Před rokem +3

      @@michaela5311 Daniel Noroditsky is great but he talks way to much. I bought his Noroditsky method and I’m having a hard time getting through it. 20 minutes in and barely looked at one single position, but he shows he has a huge vocabulary and used a thesaurus when he was young.

    • @rambo2667
      @rambo2667 Před rokem

      @@jimmytwotimes802 I watched Levy too but he is too basic. What I mean is his analysis is excellent for an average viewer of an average chess players.

    • @melzz
      @melzz Před rokem +1

      @@rambo2667 that's why i think levy course is good for beginners

  • @Antmanwald0423
    @Antmanwald0423 Před rokem +45

    Levy blew up so quickly for good reason. I can see these two being friends.

  • @noornasri5753
    @noornasri5753 Před rokem +63

    For the memory, a lot of people are assuming he's born with it. This is more from my experience, but I think what we remember shifts based on what we care about, and the way our memory recalls events is very practical in chess. I always joked about having bad memory because I need to write down peoples names and go through them so many times, because unless its someone I actively interact with the memory just escapes me. On the flip side, I can find myself randomly remembering algorithms and solutions I covered half a decade ago when solving certain coding problems. Our brains are incredibly powerful, and I think the best recollection happens through series of linked events. We link a memory to a specific idea, when we encounter a situation that reminds us of that one thing, it'll lead to another until we have the full image in our head. More like a recreation of what actually happened through key events.
    With that, I think for the super GMs who started playing chess as children and developed to truly understand the sport (usually GMs by 15), those games are what's essential in their heads. They don't need to remember the actual boards, just the specific series of moves. The ability to remember thousands of these and be able to recall ones based on similarity seems insane to us, but I think it's all the same idea.

    • @mi_-lt4ws
      @mi_-lt4ws Před rokem +13

      He was definitely born with it. When he was 5 he could memorise every country, their population and their capitals. Cant teach that

    • @noornasri5753
      @noornasri5753 Před rokem +6

      @@mi_-lt4ws Kids in that age are sponges, they absorb information like crazy. That's how we pick up languages without thinking about it as kids, but struggle to start as adults. I'm sure he was born with a genetic lottery towards chess, but I think people put it all off on that when the biggest factor is definitely his early years (3-5). I wonder how his parents got him so involved before he even understood the world

    • @ade8890
      @ade8890 Před rokem

      @@noornasri5753 Lmao, you haven't been around too many kids if you think that is anything short of pure innate ability. You can have all the passion and hard work in the world, chances are you will never be a GM. Memory chunking has a lot to do with successful chess, and that's an innate ability you're born with. It's not like you can't memory chunk for subjects you aren't interested in, you memory chunk as a core mechanism for conscious thought.
      No matter how long I try to train, I will never be able to play 50 people blind fold and win each with ease....

    • @hansmahr8627
      @hansmahr8627 Před rokem +4

      For a lot of GMs it does develop because of their intense focus on the game from a young age. For Magnus, it's just something that he has always had. It's the same with Kasparov who has an extraordinary memory for all kinds of things. I remember reading once that he doesn't like to talk about it because it makes it seem like he's some kind of freak of nature whose chess genius just comes down to having an almost savant-level memory.

    • @ade8890
      @ade8890 Před rokem +1

      @@hansmahr8627 which sadly seems to be the case. Chess GMs have a memory like NBA players are tall.

  • @benjaminrichard7741
    @benjaminrichard7741 Před rokem +3

    9:33 Yes great example here with GSP and Khabib ❤

  • @werners5191
    @werners5191 Před rokem

    I really enjoyed this interview/conversation, and the thing that really made it for me was the Prefontaine quote.

  • @omarihoward8168
    @omarihoward8168 Před rokem +50

    Uh…I just thought it was because he’s named like a f*ckin Bond villain 😂🤣

  • @timelapsega
    @timelapsega Před rokem +35

    Magnus has lived and breathed the game his entire life, it's embedded in his soul. That's why from the start I thought if he felt like something was off against Neimann then it most likely was. He doensn't even have to consciously notice it, he can just feel it.

  • @travisphilp8215
    @travisphilp8215 Před rokem +1

    Awesome feature! Love both your guys work 👏🏽

  • @N0G1
    @N0G1 Před rokem +8

    With reference to UFC/BJJ, I'd liken the old school "first to x wins" to sub only matches. Going till no end in sight. Great for the purist, not so great for modern times with TV etc to organise

    • @will224488guy
      @will224488guy Před rokem

      Having the possibility for 5 fights to take over 5 hours is exhausting. Forget TV that would be a lot in person

  • @ColemanJRimer
    @ColemanJRimer Před rokem +10

    Neat to see GothamChess in such a different setting.

  • @Robot_247
    @Robot_247 Před rokem +1

    Nice shirt choice for Levy. Works well with the background

  • @snap-off5383
    @snap-off5383 Před rokem +3

    It used to be the opposite: Tony Miles purposefully played bad moves against Karpov early to side-step the World Champion's superior opening memorization and get to having to play chess, and it turned out that Tony won! Now the champion is doing that to the underlings!

  • @Niqqo
    @Niqqo Před rokem +4

    Great talk Levy, amazing to listen to!

  • @kalemperor531
    @kalemperor531 Před rokem +10

    Crazy combo... Thank you guys

  • @FoieGras
    @FoieGras Před rokem +31

    Magnus is one of those rare combination of talent, hard work, balance, humility, and activism that comes along only once in a millenium or so. We are lucky to have him IMHO .

  • @user-uk9er5vw4c
    @user-uk9er5vw4c Před rokem +49

    good to see Levy here, lex has the most interesting guests

  • @TheStringBreaker
    @TheStringBreaker Před rokem +5

    *Unexpected but welcomed collaboration!*

  • @sebastianag2966
    @sebastianag2966 Před rokem

    What makes Levy such a brilliant chess recapper and entertaining dude in general should be the next video

  • @NateHaselton
    @NateHaselton Před rokem +6

    Lex Fridman and Levy Rozman? What day is it? Hell yeah.

  • @wyattearp4055
    @wyattearp4055 Před rokem +15

    We love Levi! Gotham is our chess translator! Thank you for having him on the podcast!

  • @Tx66
    @Tx66 Před rokem +7

    Levy did so incredible here, despite being completely sleep deprived probably after all the travel. Also, that shirt is sharper than the Najdorf

  • @abdosoliman
    @abdosoliman Před rokem +3

    Is this two of my best CZcamsr across the table I want more of that please

  • @gianttigerfilms
    @gianttigerfilms Před rokem

    Magnus, Levy, Travis Stevens, Jimmy Pedro, Duncan Trussell
    Ty Lex! From a fellow Judoka ameuter chess enthusiast and forever student of life

  • @imensonspionrona2117
    @imensonspionrona2117 Před rokem +25

    I think the reason why chess is not as popular as it should be, is because it takes a lot of mental constitution to play just one game. I code 24/7 and that is like writing a math paper for 8h every day, but pales in comparison to just one chess game. One complex chess game can drain you completely. Fascinating really.

    • @thicknjuicy1258
      @thicknjuicy1258 Před rokem +2

      Wait you write code and can’t play chess 😂😂 I’m switching up jobs

    • @WTfire10
      @WTfire10 Před rokem +3

      Coding is far easier than chess.

    • @imensonspionrona2117
      @imensonspionrona2117 Před rokem +1

      @@WTfire10 Computers cannot code.

    • @tongpoo8985
      @tongpoo8985 Před rokem

      You summed it up. I used to love to play chess to relax, but once I got to the point where I'm obsessively calculating variations and considering positional aspects, it becomes more stressful. I prefer to spend my free time doing something that will recharge my batteries instead of require more mental energy. To get really good as an adult with many responsibilities you gotta be a certain type of person.

    • @tongpoo8985
      @tongpoo8985 Před rokem +1

      @@account2198 football actually has quite a barrier to entry in terms of understanding. As far as basic rules football is more complex than chess I'd say (even just in terms of pieces (positions), football has more). This is why its not so popular internationally whereas soccer is (because its the simplest sport possible, you kick the ball in the goal). But in terms of understanding the game once you have the basics, chess of course clears football a thousand times over. Sports are just easier to see the beauty in, football is a very dramatic and cinematic sport. With Chess, to see the drama you need an understanding equal or greater to the players you are watching.

  • @awesomeleozejia8098
    @awesomeleozejia8098 Před rokem +1

    Now that’s a collab I wouldn’t have expected

  • @YouWin07
    @YouWin07 Před rokem +13

    The major factor Magnus dominated his generation is that he excelled at the most difficult part of the game of chess i. e. the endgame. Historically few players were endgame specialists, like Capablanca, Rubenstein, perhaps Karpov. Because of this he manages to save lost games and win seemingly dead draw games. Added to all that being talented, determined, and has something to prove and wants to leave his stamp on the game.

    • @yeayeawhatevasureokayy
      @yeayeawhatevasureokayy Před rokem +5

      Can add Smyslov as an endgame virtuoso as well ...but Magnus is the best of them all

    • @YouWin07
      @YouWin07 Před rokem +2

      @@yeayeawhatevasureokayy you're right Smyslov was a great player, and what's also great about him is his uncanny ability of placing his pieces in the optimum squares even in difficult positions, for this reason he was necknamed : "The Hand".

  • @rontomkins6727
    @rontomkins6727 Před rokem +2

    Great podcast Lex! Keep up the good work.

  • @sadiem6758
    @sadiem6758 Před rokem +1

    Whooo happy to see this collaboration!

  • @erdavtyan
    @erdavtyan Před rokem +10

    Lex looks like a rendered character from a game with excellent graphics.

  • @robertreyes6664
    @robertreyes6664 Před rokem +2

    Love this interview. Gothem Chess has a cool channel. Thanks Lex!

  • @yak2538
    @yak2538 Před rokem +6

    one of my fav guests. thanks lex

  • @tan.nicolas
    @tan.nicolas Před rokem +6

    Lex podcast is just superb!!

  • @HollowRosario
    @HollowRosario Před rokem +22

    So glad you had Gotham on! Chess needs more love and he’s great for chess

  • @papamurrth1
    @papamurrth1 Před rokem +3

    Didn't expect Levy, couldn't be happier though!

  • @georgepatton6029
    @georgepatton6029 Před rokem +1

    Ding always goes from down to up, holy fuck that was an accurate call.

  • @zadeh79
    @zadeh79 Před 8 měsíci

    He has a prodigious long-term memory (associative memory). He can match patterns from games he played years ago.

  • @longviolinfilms
    @longviolinfilms Před rokem +2

    Two of my favorite personalities that seem so different until they come together and totally hit it off. I can see the beauty in that because Im romantic

  • @rajeshkumarmohanta111
    @rajeshkumarmohanta111 Před rokem +26

    I like how levy deliberately speaking slow.... that must have been painful 😆

    • @Alex_agamer
      @Alex_agamer Před rokem +5

      Hes taking his time to fully word his thoughts and i dont mind since its one of the best explanations ive heard in a while

    • @Fergus316
      @Fergus316 Před rokem +3

      He didn't have to be "on" for this interview

  • @juangamazo5781
    @juangamazo5781 Před rokem +3

    Paul Morphy also had an eidetic chess memory. He dominated his time and is known as the first unofficial World Champion of Chess ( William Steinitz is the official First World Champion). Returning to the United States in triumph, Morphy toured the major cities, playing chess on his way back to New Orleans. Returning to New Orleans in late 1859 at the age of 22, he retired from active chess competition to begin his law career. Morphy never established a successful law practice and ultimately lived a life of idleness, living on his family's fortune. Despite appeals from his admirers, Morphy never returned to the game, and died in 1884 from a stroke at the age of 47. Lets hope Magnus simply wants to take a break and enjoy his life at the top of his game.

    • @your_average_joe5781
      @your_average_joe5781 Před rokem

      I thought Morphy died from syphilis?

    • @frightenedsoul
      @frightenedsoul Před rokem

      @@your_average_joe5781 what a weird rumor to spread when his cause of death is so easily verifiable.

  • @argeurasia
    @argeurasia Před rokem +28

    Levy wasn't very clear about the 0 evaluation in the endgame. Is it that the engine can't evaluate some endgames properly? Or that it's a draw with perfect play, but in practice for a human it can be hard to get the moves that lead to a draw?

    • @nza1804
      @nza1804 Před rokem +33

      It’s a draw with perfect play but the moves are difficult to find for both sides

    • @TheAluvisify
      @TheAluvisify Před rokem +7

      His analogy is nice, but it actually doesn't apply to the game 6 endgame since that was a table base draw. Anything with 7 pieces or less is solved, so Stockfish KNEW that it was a draw but, of course, it's hard for a human to figure out the proper draw sequence. Otherwise, he's right. Stockfish sometimes just won't know what's going on since there's Chess is so incredibly complex and we're far from "solving" the game.

    • @haydenmckenna4995
      @haydenmckenna4995 Před rokem +5

      It can be boiled down to an idea of "# of good moves" sometimes an evaluation will be 0-0 but one side has 7 or so good moves and the other side has 1-2 good moves. With a "good move" being a move that doesn't squander a resource or advantage. Then one side is significantly favored from a human perspective, whereas from the perspective of a computer that can calculate at higher depths than humans, there isn't much to really consider.

    • @tdrev4895
      @tdrev4895 Před rokem

      He meant that it could be both

    • @sportsjefe
      @sportsjefe Před rokem

      @@TheAluvisify That game had 9 to 12 pieces for most of the game, it wasn't eligible for tablebases until move 115.

  • @calcramer
    @calcramer Před rokem +2

    Nice to see Levy wearing sleeves.

  • @tk2070
    @tk2070 Před rokem

    The answer is to look at Wsop the world series of poker. The coveted diamond bracelet... the huge prize purse its insane. Wsop is legendary

  • @msevans7
    @msevans7 Před rokem

    Can't believe I heard pre's quote. Subbed

  • @Trizzer89
    @Trizzer89 Před rokem +5

    Carlsen is good at chess because he is the best at endgames. Endgames are extremely complicated and even Carlsen makes mistakes, but other people make more

  • @robbie_
    @robbie_ Před rokem

    Very good point about the Olympics. I remember 2012 in the UK, which I personally part paid for (it was very expensive and my taxes were used, obviously). It was streamed by the BBC and kept on their website for some short amount of time, then disappeared. So I'm paying the BBC a licence fee per year + I paid for the event with my taxes, and incredibly enough I cannot access any of the content anymore. Money ruins everything doesn't it.

  • @scottrobinson4611
    @scottrobinson4611 Před rokem +6

    For Magnus choosing not to defend his title - I have a few thoughts.
    1. If I've been world champion for almost a decade like Magnus has, I could see it losing the magic.
    When he was a teenager, he had a lot to prove. Winning the WC is the biggest single achievement in chess.
    After almost 10 years at the top with little by means of real competition, it makes sense that Magnus has stopped seeing the appeal.
    2. Following on from my first point. Every 2 years Magnus has had to devote a bunch of time, effort and money to prepare for the championship, and has won convincingly every time.
    It's a lot of sacrifice for something that's losing its appeal to Magnus, and that he already knows the outcome of. Eventually the cons will outweigh the pros.
    3. Again following on from the previous points...
    Magnus knows he's the best by a considerable margin. Of course he has to put in the work because chess is a game that is always developing. You have to keep learning to stay at the top. If Ian had 3 months to prepare and Magnus did not, Ian would have the advantage - but Magnus knows that with a similar level of effort in preparation to his opponent, he will always beat his opponent in the WC format.
    Magnus even gave us a hint himself, when he said he would only defend his title if Alireza won the candidates. This shows that Magnus does not see the value in playing against a 'known quantity' in the usual super-GMs, but he would give it a shot for the latest prodigy who has made rapid progress, and may surprise Magnus with a suitably prodigious performance.
    I can see how Magnus might view such a WC match against Alireza as similar to his own inaugural WC match against Anand.
    Alireza crumbled in the candidates, so Magnus chose not to defend his title against a more predictable opponent.

  • @krisboudreau3475
    @krisboudreau3475 Před rokem +2

    You gotta love Levy

  • @Nick-fw4lb
    @Nick-fw4lb Před rokem +4

    Well done Levy! Impressive.

  • @matthewfleischmann3218
    @matthewfleischmann3218 Před rokem +107

    More chess videos, please!

    • @mvubu6823
      @mvubu6823 Před rokem +3

      check

    • @derpy_blue
      @derpy_blue Před rokem +2

      mate

    • @yousuck6222
      @yousuck6222 Před rokem +1

      Ideally with no adverts, just them off. How much do you make anyway? 2 bucks a video?

    • @BakedNConfused
      @BakedNConfused Před rokem +1

      This is your only comment on this channel .

  • @billlyons7024
    @billlyons7024 Před rokem

    Lex the word you're looking for (about SpaceX vs NASA) is MARKETING. Marketing isn't just for products, it's for ideas. When you introduce the world to a new idea, or give more visibility to an old one, the way you present it is marketing. The words you use, the place where you "broadcast" the idea, the medium you use to convey, even how you say or write it, it creates an impression on the viewer.
    Both NASA and SpaceX want to get people excited about space travel. Elon is good at marketing, NASA hasn't quite got the hang of it.

  • @adityas3259
    @adityas3259 Před rokem +8

    You should invite Peter Svidler after the current ECCC. Most eloquent commentator in chess.

  • @xsn1per3l1te
    @xsn1per3l1te Před rokem

    I feel like he can still sign World Champion forever since he held the title for 10 consecutive years outplaying everyone he could possibly do and having the highest score ever and steping away volunteraly for lack of motivation, he is the GOAT and he will probably be the best chess player that has ever lived, I think he earned to call himself World Champion

  • @xerowon3490
    @xerowon3490 Před rokem

    I know nothing about this Lex guy, 15 minute interview and I still know nothing about him he didn't talk about himself at all....FANTASTIC interviewer snd great voice. I like this guy im gonna check out more

  • @i6g7f
    @i6g7f Před rokem

    a fantastic interview. Thank You!

  • @dustinmccrindle343
    @dustinmccrindle343 Před rokem +1

    All the commentators are Grand Masters...
    Agadmator in the background: "cough, cough".
    Disclaimer: I'm not sure he was commentating on the WC event, but he's been on a lot of top end tournaments.

  • @Fisj
    @Fisj Před rokem

    The memory is part what makes him good. Interesting that Danaher says the same about what makes Gordon Ryan good in bjj

  • @VARMOT123
    @VARMOT123 Před rokem +3

    chess is the only sport/game where some commentators and chess influencers earn more than many top 50ers .this happens because you don't need to watch players but need to look at the chess position live which is free on websites so players can't monetize that viewership to the best extent. ridiculous lol

  • @h0rk3d
    @h0rk3d Před rokem +8

    Above all, Magnus is creative

  • @ClarkPotter
    @ClarkPotter Před rokem +7

    Levy isn't correct that Stockfish doesn't know. It does. HUMANS don't know every possibility is all and some sub-trees are more treacherous (from a human practical perspective) than others.
    Stockfish also has 7-piece endgame tablebases. Any node within its search that reaches it, it knows perfectly, including every move within in perfectly. If it's showing zeros, either it KNOWS how to force a draw, or all of the characteristics of the pros and cons for either side, in its estimation, completely cancel out for the moment.

    • @schroederluck7984
      @schroederluck7984 Před rokem +1

      Yeah I'm kinda surprised Levy didn't know this. And if he did know this, he definitely didn't do a good job of sharing it lol. I kept waiting for him to offer the correct explanation and he just never quite got there.

    • @h.h.h.9307
      @h.h.h.9307 Před rokem

      Hes an IM which is the second highest titel in the world, so he does know how Stockfish works buddy. But he wants his explanations to be understandable by somebody who has never played chess.

  • @bobbyknuckles6380
    @bobbyknuckles6380 Před rokem +1

    6:36 There’s that Joe Rogan and UFC influence, lol. “Who ya got?”

  • @videofabriken
    @videofabriken Před rokem +2

    Levy is a great guest!

  • @quantum_beeb
    @quantum_beeb Před rokem +1

    I feel like this is a good chance for Ding to take advantage being over the board.

  • @ObiAmajoyiSrMD
    @ObiAmajoyiSrMD Před rokem +20

    Levy - very good explanation. You are an ambassador for the game

    • @wooshbait36
      @wooshbait36 Před rokem

      No, Xqc is ambassador of chess because he put chess on the map and he made it popular, nobody knew or cared about chess before twitch streamer xQc

    • @StrikeWarlock
      @StrikeWarlock Před rokem

      @@wooshbait36 the guy that got smoked by Charlie? LMAAAO

  • @markhathaway9456
    @markhathaway9456 Před rokem

    So Magnus spots them a couple of dubious moves, just to get past theory into wide open unknown spaces. FischerRandom.
    Magnus knows something about how to play that you often see in blitz games. His opponent will go for some time with no progress whatsoever while Magnus runs circles around them. He gets these free times too often for it to be random luck.
    His offensive play isn't spectacular. It's so ordinary nobody can believe he will win with it. But give any GM some free moves and see how amazing they suddenly become. It's very Botwinnik-Petrosian chess.

  • @alexjbriiones
    @alexjbriiones Před rokem +14

    Carlsen has special abilities, one of them is synesthesia, and arguably can enhance his intuitive and perceptive ability to see patterns where others cannot. But his super ability is his memory. Also, like Bobby Fisher, he is hyper-competitive.

  • @thechuckberryfan98
    @thechuckberryfan98 Před 13 dny

    Magnus is so good because he loves the game. He’s so fascinated by it, or has been, and so has studied it in so many ways, and learnt of it in so many ways, and he remembers of course 🙂 But it starts with his love of Chess.

  • @CrazyzzzDudezzz
    @CrazyzzzDudezzz Před rokem

    Carlsen looks at the board and sees it in 3D

  • @wettuna1769
    @wettuna1769 Před 3 měsíci

    The way chess gods talk bout magnus is how melee gods talk about mango

  • @Zenthex
    @Zenthex Před rokem +1

    magnus really is an intuitive player and i can see why a guy like that wouldn't want games that are still in theory after 30 moves.

  • @Insharai
    @Insharai Před rokem

    (==) - main point
    what a cool interview, I loved the chemistry, didn't think I'd watch a 15 minute video like this. I think that touches on things; Yeah, I'd absolutely watch a clickbate with magnus playing a weird position and bamboozling an igm/gm/ect online in a blitz match, then ever ever watch traditional for the many hours it takes. Esports as a whole has taken that turn and you can look at how league of legends has evolved for viewership over skill to a certain extent.
    when we're talking about stamina to exhaust newer players, I think that's kind of it. Magnus has such a lock on late game, that unless you are as good in that position from so many other key ins - what are you suppose to do there? I would say Magnus is "brave" enough to make those moves, but fact of the mater is that he has the luxury to make those moves in that position. If I am up and coming I need results; Magnus doesn't care about money/title/ect. Whether it is worth it or not is absolutely a relevant discussion, but end of the day, money and fun are both a huge contributor to these players. If he can go into a major tournament and have a few fun games and mess with people, shirk the title, and then go back to the youtube and be just as successful and relevant... I think we kind have touched on things. cont...
    There are a lot of players in league who are absolutely insane that have been cut from professional play due to reaction time/ect (when those things have been disproved time and time again) when as a viewer all I want are "magical" games to watch. We come to a point where any game can be summed down to numbers and hedging out position - which will end up in draws - vs "pure" competition, which encourages that. -...cont
    a game should be first and foremost fun to watch and play. A balance that gaming has start to hit more and more regularly, and that there isn't a real fix for. Things like speedrunning vs pvp vs entertainment exist. The game with the most expression and tend to be the most viewed at a certain point. RNG has been a big online answer towards that premise, but LOL comes up again as an obvious playin towards that. Currently the league gamestate has created an okay balance towards that (outside of some tech limitations and general unbalance), but they haven't found the format to display that. cont...
    =For chess; I would like to see a format where pure theoretical was mixed with outrageous situations. Imagine a world tournament that matched every draw with something like a blitz game, or something else absurd as a tie-braker. What would that look like?=
    Then you would connect the youtube highlights to the traditional play, and the audiences as well (tmtm- I'm not a gm, but I would live to be a commentator in the same way that people love an avg dude participating in the Olympics to tie that in lol).

  • @ricardorodrigues4726
    @ricardorodrigues4726 Před rokem

    3min30seconds. When people say "Magnus beats/surprises Stockfish", Levi sums up what I always say.
    Stockfish gives evaluations, but Stockfish is not the one actually playing. I don't care if you are Magnus or better(if it's actually possible) if Stockfish says it is a draw no human will beat it, you might lose but you are not beating Stockfish when it declares the position to be a draw. It's just impossible, for a human.

  • @clintoruss153
    @clintoruss153 Před rokem +3

    Magnus is a Complete Genius

  • @jasonthomas6651
    @jasonthomas6651 Před rokem

    No mention or acknowledgment of his computation skill? End games are not random memorization....

  • @VARMOT123
    @VARMOT123 Před rokem +1

    top chess players earn more than 80% of olympic sports . why you gotta compare chess players to some of these big sports which has tv deal money .chess has free viewership via these websites . we don't have to see their faces but their chess positions

  • @EndoftheTownProductions
    @EndoftheTownProductions Před měsícem

    0:41 -- What Bobby Fischer was worried about, namely chess becoming all theory and memorization.

  • @KNNY61
    @KNNY61 Před rokem

    Imho, Magnus just isn't motivated. I wouldn't say he's bored; but, the man with that amazing recall loves new positions, which results in 'pure chess', where the victor should be the better chess player, not the one who knows the theory better, or knows a chess engine's top lines better - although that is always useful while prepping. Watch his streams. He's well past the point of feeling excited by theory or other moves which he considers boring. This includes a thousand lines of theory where finding an advantage is highly unlikely unless your opponent misplays. In fact, most grandmasters choose openings that are complicated; it's the best way to fight for a win, but the game can often be steered into drawish positions by such too.. A game that turns into uncharted territory always piques his interest, however. It's actually a testament to how good Nepo is at knowing theory, positional chess play, and solid yet tricky chess, that only in a long end game did Nepo give Magnus an opening. After that, things changed in that match, but if Magnus does not want to slog through that to defend his title, I totally understand. People say Ding is so solid, but Nepo - as long as he has not self-destructed - is almost bullet proof. Would Magnus do it to regain his title? Absolutely, if he wanted the title again.

  • @leo6d985
    @leo6d985 Před rokem

    Simple, make matches, the classic ones, 1 hour. I would watch that 100%.

  • @VincesInHocSigno
    @VincesInHocSigno Před rokem +1

    Wait... You're saying Bach was more interested in the math than the sheer beauty of his music? 8:31

  • @MTB8896
    @MTB8896 Před rokem

    Me, using hints and assistance against Jimmy: Yes, yes, of course.

  • @wirezts
    @wirezts Před 3 měsíci

    What does Lex mean by "swing terminology"?

  • @balooojeffersong4234
    @balooojeffersong4234 Před rokem +6

    Game 6 was absolutely amazing. I had the day off and I watched the whole thing live.

  • @etiennelacroix-videoproduc4382

    I also play like that, after 5 moves no more database moves! ;)

  • @philanthropicnightmare1206

    Lex, if you're gonna be having all these chess guys on you gotta be playing chess boi

    • @MattMacKinnon
      @MattMacKinnon Před rokem +1

      He clearly alreqdy does play chess based on the questions he has been asking and his level of understanding.

    • @Pazaluz
      @Pazaluz Před rokem +1

      @@MattMacKinnon He might mean playing a game with them on the show

    • @MattMacKinnon
      @MattMacKinnon Před rokem

      @@Pazaluz Maybe.

    • @philanthropicnightmare1206
      @philanthropicnightmare1206 Před rokem +1

      @@MattMacKinnon I believe he used to play as a kid/younger person. I don't think he plays much or maybe at all anymore. "Why Lex Fridman doesn't play chess": czcams.com/video/ilm_qdPmPYc/video.html
      but yeah, it would be cool to see him mess around with these chess gods

    • @georgek2092
      @georgek2092 Před rokem +2

      It wouldn't even be competitive. Levy would crush him and massively tilt Lex

  • @Pushnotificationsalwaysoffbye

    I’m not anywhere near a pro but I just started playing again after about a decade off, and I’ve been shocked at how quickly my intuition has returned. For some reason, even forgetting many well-known moves that increase chances of winning, I’ve been winning or finding my way out of what *should be* check/nearly check-mate situations quite a lot. I’ve been coming back from near defeat at the very end more than my opponents imagine is possible and I think I get some kind of instinct to save myself toward the end that is not related to my initial strategy, so I’m underestimated a lot. That’s an advantage too. Wise players should know not to assume victory just because they win against everyone else or their odds are better halfway through. We all play different, and of course statistics play a role, but it’s not just that. There’s something to be said for a natural prowess some people have and if that wasn’t the case, playing would be pointless. Nobody plays a game that can be boiled down to only statistics.