The story of Magnus Carlsen vs Hikaru Nakamura: 40 private blitz games in Moscow
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Hikaru Nakamura is a chess super grandmaster and is currently the #1 ranked blitz chess player in the world. He is also one of the top chess streamers on Twitch and CZcams.
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Guest bio: Hikaru Nakamura is a chess super grandmaster and is currently the #1 ranked blitz chess player in the world. He is also one of the top chess streamers on Twitch and CZcams.
Magnus learned Hikaru’s weaknesses. Hikaru learned that Magnus has no weaknesses
Pretty much, or just way above his league
Magnus has weaknesses, especially the opening and the early mid game
He’s human every world champ has lost therefore every world champion has a weakness
Hikaru won 15 games, that's pretty good. Sounds like weaknesses exist for Magnus
@@supahsmashbro if Magnus’ goal was to win then sure you could say he has weaknesses somewhere but if Magnus’ goal was to learn then the score tells us nothing
Magnus: Let’s play a “friendly” game
Hikauru: Ok, friend
Magnus exploits whatever he learned for the next 10 years
😅
I wonder if Magnus just wanted to play for fun or actually went Sun Tzu.
PS: I love both Magnus and Hikauru. Very different personality, but both needed in the chess world
Well, that goes both ways. Hikaru could have learned about Magnus and exploited weaknesses as well.
@@LMR72 it seems like magnus learned way more from this exchange considering their record
@@jordanjose6475 I mean you dont know how much they learned really...sure he might have learnt more about hikaru but hikaru likely already knows magnuss weaknesses anyways so it doesnt matter. These two guys cancel each other out.
I think the reason we aren't talking about Hikaru, in turn, also learning about Magnus and his weaknesses, is the implicit concession that Magnus is flat out better chess player. So from that standpoint, Magnus already had the advantage and giving him 40 games to study him cemented the advantage instead of maintaining the element of surprise.
Exactly what I thought, if it’s an advantage for him to play you and not vice versa, then you’re a worse player or you’re making excuses for the fact you are.
Possibly. I thought it was because Magnus had this in mind before, to analyze Hikaru and Hikaru didn't had that idea until after it. Because it was Magnus who invited him to play.
@@TheUndulyNoted I don't see this as making excuses at all. He states the plain fact it was a mistake. Not that under X or Y circumstances he would have won. Plus he clearly says later in the interview that he is nowhere near Manus level, and that Magnus has no discernable weakness.
implicit concession? dude says early on hes nowhere near Magnus' level lmao, he knows Magnus is one of the GOATs
@@peterblacksmith3817 i know brother, but what I mean is that in the context of this clip, it doesn't even need to be said anymore because it's understood.
Find someone who is obsessed with you the way Lex is obsessed with Magnus
Levy?
I think it's the obsession with chess.
It’s the obsession with getting insight on what it takes and the mindset of being the best at something, there’s not many in the world
@@Dog3D all of this + the algorithm loving Magnus
@@fadeidham2932 Lex
the fact that Hikaru and Magnus played 40 OTB blitz games with just Henrik and some journalist watching at a Hotel lobby with barely any light is insane.. I would love a Hikaru autobiography telling this kind of stories.. of course I would also love a Magnus autobiography once he retires
Magnus has poor communication skills so I wouldn't expect a good autobiography. I will say I think Hikaru far exceeds other GM's in his ability to introspect but also articulate himself. He's a pleasure to listen to.
@@ThatOneScienceGuy Autobiographies are hardly ever fully written by the author. There's usually ghostwriters, brainstormers, publishers, etc. so I would not worry about a Magnus autobiography lacking 'communication skills'
This is like Michael Jordan taking Charles Barkley out for golf during the finals 😂
more like them playing random street basketball 1vs1 lol
almost :D we all know how barkley swings the ball hahaha
They talk about Magnus like people speak of Bolt or Jordan. Everyone is so mesmerized and in awe of their greatness in the moment they psyche themselves out.
Except Hans 🤷♂️
@@adamdunlaptv w
Kasparov better
Magnus is like the Borg. Strong opponents can get in a few good games before he recalibrates and starts winning. Hikaru wishes that those few good games had been in a tournament setting rather than casual games in a hotel room.
I think hikaru lost some psychological edge after those games where he started to have some complex. But his streaming career has him more sorted now i think. Good for him, that he is in better place now.
Hikaru is 15 words ahead of any monologue he does xD
God damn this interview is incredible.
Two legendary chess addicts, just brawl at midnight in a silent dim lit room with only one spectator. It's like chess fight club all the way, except that one spectator break rule number 1..
The thing is he had the same opportunity to learn Magnus' style of chess to try and gain a future advantage. Both players are risking and exposing themselves in this scenario. Magnus was the player that was able to outplay. Legendary story nonetheless.
That's what he thought too but turned out Carlsen had no pronounced weakness, Naka himself says this later in his podcast. But Naka did have a weakness, and if it weren't for this match, Carlsen wouldn't have figured it out and Naka would have a better score against him.
@@anuraglamichhane1733 thats what he says at least...
Well the obvious question is, while Magnus was figuring out Hikaru's weaknesses, why wasn't Hikaru also figuring out Magnus' weaknesses? The fact that this is not commented on is telling about how dominant Magnus is in modern chess.
Magnus has no obvious weaknesses that you can take advantage of.
His weakness may be that he doesn't know every single opening and every single line it can go. That's not much of a weakness, no one knows every opening.
Another weakness may be that he can't calculate 50 moves ahead, only 49. It's not like anyone else can calculate the 50th move anyway, so they can't take advantage of it.
@@Zero-ef4sc Where did you find how much he can calculate ??
I guess Magnus’ only “weakness” is that he doesn’t like being attacked.. the thing is that having the opportunity to attack him is excruciatingly difficult to achieve, and that makes him have barely no weaknesses at all
Hikaru himself said in this podcast that Magnus's strength is that he has no weaknesses. You can exploit Magnus on the opening but he will figure it out eventually
@@shamsursagor293 as an example.
Magnus knew his openings much better at this point in time. This probably helped Hikaru grow by showing him he needs to work on his openings.
So hikaru realize he had worse opening and end game knowledge, while magnus has literally no weakness.
Love these interviews whereby legends get together and play chess into the night.
Hikaru probably agreed to this because he genuinely loves playing chess.
Magnus does too, but he also likes winning at it just a bit more than others.
lol that's YOUR assumption. To me Magnus looks much chiller than Hikaru, and has always showed great sportsmanship. I feel like if hikaru was world leader he would be an arrogant brat. That'd my assumption too but it's based on many interviews of the two
Magnus was literally the one who chose to leave his world champion title undefended, I'd argue their love of chess is different, not one higher than the other, with Magnus's drive to win rather than have fun being lower than Hikaru's just from their past actions
Can see 20 moves ahead on the board but can't see that Magnus just wanted to see how you play.
Magnus was not worried about exploiting his weaknesses to Hikaru, as he had none.
This is like the private fight between Rocky and Apollo.
"Everything happens for a reason" is dangerous categorical statement
Reason doesn’t have to be justifyable
Yeah, I couldn't disagree more. I feel many things in life are due to circumstances.
Mistakes happen. Luck happens. Random events are part of life.
Everything happens is a much more down to Earth mentality
You know you’re doing a good interview when the person you’re interviewing is wondering where tf you got your correct information from
I agree with Hikaru. Revealing your whole playing style to one of your biggest competitors while having absolutely nothing at stake is one of the biggest mistakes anyone can make in their professional life. It is just objectively damaging to you. It should never be done _just for the fun of it._ I think he got carried away in the moment.
Great insight into the thinking of chess master a little bit
Magnus: I would have exploited him regardless of whether or not we played some blitz games in the wee hours of the morning in Moscow.
This story needs a movie
Guys we made the big leagues, we're getting more and more chess content on Lex Fridman now
This is like when Rocky and Apollo had a behind closed doors fight
If Magnus was asked about this event, I bet he wouldn't remember learning anything that helped him dominate Hikaru for the next 10 years. This may just be in Hikaru's mind.
Post traumatic Magnus disorder
@@lekanosagie i want one, please
I don't know Magnus as a person only for some interviews and clips, but for me that was his way to get along,, I think he doesn't have another way to spend time with someone without feeling uncomfortable. Both sides could learn about each other I don't see any malicious intentions or taking advantage of someone
It was to Hikaru's advantage not the other way around. In fact the lower player learns more. They say after playing a lot of better games with a better player you improve but he doesn't.
They should do this challenge 3 times in there lives, every 5 yrs while they in their prime. Just because they can.
those games were the chess equivalent of biggie rapping in the streets of NY to small packs of people
This is when you just want to play a secret game in a hotel, but years after the world knows about every step and every result xD
What was the subreddit called?
incredible how he can remember games after all those years
With how salty he is about it, I'm not surpised he remembers them in detail.
@@starmorpheus he's being very Honorable how is he salty, and what does that have to do with his incredible memory
@@starmorpheus dumbest comment ever
@@starmorpheus cope
Why didnt Hikaru figure put Magnus weaknesses as well
Magnus has superb endgames period
Beautiful to watch. Truly squeezing water from stone.
Reminds me of that old episode of Columbo where the 2 Grandmasters play an impromptu game of chess while dining.
Hikaru said moving forward Magnus was able to use openings where Hikaru would need to stick to the mainline for 20 moves to not be severely disadvantaged, or punished.
Surely this is a no brainer strategy against anyone regardless if they’ve played before.
Wouldn’t say it’s a no brainer, sometimes you can deviate from the main line to catch you ur opponent of guard and deviate from their prep
Its a known tactic of Magnus to intentionally veer from prep to send people into the realm of intuition, where he is just flat out better than everyone. It is more even for his opponents to stay in prepared lines
@@jonahsummersell431
Ok that make sense, cheers.
I mean if you look at a guy like fabi, magnus would likely make a mistake before fabi because he is just so good in the opening
@@None-zv2qk Fabi currently is a shadow of his former self
Damnnnnnnnnnnnnn magnus plotted on him crazy!!!! That’s a real chess move
It’s amazing how high level chess players are just playing a different game than the rest of us lol
Magnus and hikaru are like the oracle and the architect from Matrix.
Not really hahaha
Lex is great. He just loves the dim lighting and dingy late night brawl of these two extraordinary minds. I hope he never stops reporting. Hikaru is the man.
Maybe you should interview the guy who beat Hikaru twice in matches
if magnus didnt exist a good chance hikaru would've been world champion reminds of jon vs dc dc great but always fell short
He never ever made it to wc match never won candidates , so how could he have been a world champ. Don't live in dreams
02:42 Lex: "Is it a technical draw no matter the position of the pawns"?
It's not. If the pawns are fixed in a bad way, the side with 4 pawns wins.
@@ChessJourneyman Yup, it was a silly question really
I love how hikaru could never understand magnus' style
So these games were recorded for a reason
Hikaru is blitz champion. That was such a setup from the get go.. Magnus didnt care about loosing or winning. He just wanted to get a good grasp of what kind of dynamics so he can then analyze counter plays.. I wish we could see these games lol Theres mustve been quite some odd balls if Hikaru is so certain of the purpose of this match up 😁
Hikaru blitz champion, what have you been smoking
Magnus is the blitz champion for the last 6 years lmao
Magnus won the world blitz title six times. Hikaru zero, zero in rapid, and zero in classical. He barely got Fischer random title recently in a small field and with the help of So for the openings.
"Everything happens for a reason" is such a cop out.
Bro really set up a trap for Naka hahah
I remember that day. I beat them both at arm wrestling later on
Why didn't Hikaru understand Magnus's openings
I'm not sure why this is a thing. Carlsen has had no rivals so far. He has dominated everyone including Hikaru. The only one having a slight chance against him is Firouzja.
Firouzja has almost peaked already
That was rookie from gates. Not saying I'm a better player, but in that moment, that was rookie.
You just can’t not love Hilary’s attitude
The funny thing is Hikaru Weakness for Magnus is not a weakness to most Grandmaster
Lex just showed how he is involved with Russian government by knowing the scores between them
So hikaru had 11 wins, 9 draws and 20 losses?
Against the best player to ever pick up the pieces. Yeah.
@@trnc9082 that's not bad. although i'm sure hikaru wishes it were inverted
Id take that record to the bank
For a delusional homeschooled brat thinking he is a chess god...yeah, that score was devastating.
I've seen this in queens gambit. I know what would happen later.
Hikaru is very erudite. Very insightful
I'm not sure why I do, but does anyone else take great pleasure in knowing Magnus kicked his ass like this? It's just very comforting LOL....!!
OK but all jokes aside, their classic chess score is much worse for Hikaru
why is carlson so good at endgames? just preperation?
Hikarus copium is crazy
JKD has repeatedly shown Magnus to have weaknesses.
JKD?
@@akshaygulabrao4423 guessing it's Duda
Every clip is about magnus Carlson 😂lol wtf
Of course, he is Magnus, the King of Chess.
Magnus exposed Hikaru to his own weaknesses. Yes he exploited it but it also gave Hikaru the chance to be much better against everyone else BUT magnus who figured this out.
Magnus is Kobe
what hikaru says doesn't make sense, he wasn't able even once to play for the world title. if he got there and lost with magnus he could use that as an excuse otherwise it's just embarrassing to use that
But u also understood magnus style lol
I think what he understood is that Magnus has no exploitable weaknesses. Big ones anyway. He still managed to have more than a few wins against the best player
Why all good chess players got the same shaped head.
He just beat him heheheheh
Didnt expect you here
Hikaru with the excuses 🙄
wouldn't it be logical to meditate on those weaknesses that were exposed and plug the leaks? instead of just letting him walk over you for years?
Magnus has better memorization skill than hikaru. Hikaru is now the raining world champion on Fischer random chess. A variation of chess that avoids opening theory memorization and forces players to calculate or use their intuition from the very first move.
People who don't understand chess are taking Hikaru's comment as some sort of ego defense. Hikaru is a phenomenal player who understands his strength and weakness. And his results prove that. He never lost to magnus in Fischer random chess!!!!
I am not saying this to minimize the talent of Magnus. But I take the sentiment of the great Bobby Fischer, modern chess has become memorization of engine lines and less intuition. The beauty of chess is the intentional aspect of it, that's why I like Fischer Random chess
Hikaru only beat Magnus by Magnus dead brain moment. Really equal level. But if im not wrong, Magnus won a game in a st louis Fisher event. Not sure
@@juliocadavid6640 Hikaru just beat magnus in another tournament
@@leonthethird7494 Yeah i know, still i was talking about 960 here. Very good by Naka, Magnus still couldve done better if he wouldve played faster, he scrumbled too much bcz of time haha Naka was/is way faster and thats why he probably won and he was very strong. Still Magnus is better at rapid if you ask me, magnus has the numbers in the online events last years, magnus has been as active as Naka in rapid while in blitz, Magnus wasnt favourite. Everyone knows both of them would win, probably more Naka cz hes faster
You have no idea what you're talking about. Magnus' strength is intuition and he doesn't like prep either. And he has beat Hikaru several times in Fischer random chess.
@@leonthethird7494 that's nice... look up his head to head record against Magnus, then add in those hotel room scores and you have to ask why does anyone think of those two as a rivalry? There isn't much of a rivalry. Magnus way too dominant
Hikaru looks deep faked 😂
0:46
He sets the scene conveniently specifying he had a few drinks at a dinner.
1:12
"Me accepting had nothing to do with having being out for a bit, or having had a few drinks or anything in that nature"
Hikaru's ability to be so calculated and manipulate emotions so effortlessly is about as impressive as it is terrifying.
Lets count our blessings he stuck with chess and not politics 💀
Nice to know there is a video of their romantic night in the hotel room.
Asian Joe Rogan tell me I'm wrong
Why didn’t Hikaru learn about his own weaknesses through those game and improve in those areas.
It's not really that easy. Hikaru has probably known his weaknesses basically forever
Excuses
a g u c
5:30 keep it together my guy 😮💨
I am clearly missinng something. Chess is just a game totally worked out with set openings, moves, traps etc.,... if I learn these and attain a certain level I am simply a robot spewing out the computations of others. Most people are just playing what they have been taught evidently. There is no art. There is no Picasso. It is a bit sad especially if there is no money involved.
Well I know this... I would not want to be a professional chess player. They are constantly traveling around and living out of a suitcase.
Most of their free time requires constant attention to chess. Not many friends or relationships because of commitment to the game.
Not an enjoyable lifestyle in my opinion 🥺
There is definitely art the openings are just that openings how you play after that is what makes or breaks the game and openings aren't just a set of moved you memories you have to understand openings the ideas.theres a lot more to ches than just openings and traps
And now the score would probably be flipped.
i dont think so
LOL
I for one am shocked Hikaru didn’t blame the weather, the bed he slept in and Fox News for why he got dominated!! Lol
Hikkie just starts making excuses and it is unbearable to watch. 🤦🏻♂️
"I'm bad at openings compared to Magnus" is not an excuse
MAGNUS CARLSEN THE GOD OF CHESS 🔥 🔥 🔥
Does he even know how to play?
Sounds like a bish excuse!
Hikaru heavy on the copium. Magnus is just better with or without these private matches.
I love hikaru. Very humble he’s a lot more all time skilled then what he lets on. He would’ve been the one finding these main lines in the past. Not just a product of the past at all
LOL.
humble 😂😂
I think Hikaru has wrong thinking here. Why didn't he learn something about Magnus?
magnus has no weakness.... so
You forget Hikaru’s ego, won’t happen
It's like finding out the moon is earth's weakness, all you need to do is get to the moon and you'll have control of the earth.
You can see a weakness but it doesn't mean you can necessarily do anything about it.
"Oh, Usuan Bolt skips a step every 68 stride, I'll use that to my advantage by still running as fast as I can."
Yea we just have chess guests on because we're really smart and this is a smart podcast. Yea strategy and deep thinking. Smoke and mirrors.
You sound insecure
Hikaru is terrific player, but his ego writes checks his mind can't cash, it's no insult, Magnus was better is better, and will always be better. Admit it Naka, he made you cry during a game. Magnus is the best yet, someday a greater player prob will emerge but the incredible memory, blazing speed of thought, pattern recognition and gift for the game, not to mention unbelievable will to never stop trying to win or avoid defeat isn't a combination endowed in many and most will never even learn the game.
What the hell are you on about, lol.
Damn bro, did hikaru promote his pawn to a gun to shoot ur family. Chill bruh
You spouted off like a 12 year old lol 🤡
Hikaru could have:
1- improved upon his weaknesses
2- figured out Magnus's weaknesses
3- or both
But instead he did neither, and is attributing his losses ever since to Magnus for figuring him out.
That’s actually not it. Magnus is just at a higher level than Hikaru. I’ll give you a similar and more relatable scenario. Imagine you get to have a private conversation with someone you’re about to have a public debate with next week. For the sake of simplicity, let’s say that your IQ is about 20 points higher than your opponent. Having a private conversation before your debate will allow you to pick your debate opponents brain before the public event. The reason why you can pick your opponents brain more than they can yours is because your level of intelligence is at a higher level. You’ll be able to read their tactics of information extraction better than they could yours. Do this for a few hours and you could set yourself up nicely to completely dismantle your opponent at the public event without them realizing how much information they gave up to you. IQ plays a big role in society and most people are unaware of this. High IQ is correlated with rapid pattern recognition. First person to recognize specific patterns is going to come out ahead. This is why Magnus was able to acquire the information needed to beat Hikaru for many years
Doing any of those things is easier said than done. Pro chess players are always improving their game, but so are all their opponents. Hikaru may be much stronger than he was then, but so is Magnus. If it was so easy to figure out Magnus's weaknesses, then somebody would've knocked him from the #1 spot. The fact that he's reigned for 10 years suggests that maybe he has nearly no weaknesses, at least none that humans can exploit consistently.
I'm calling bullshit. Magnus wasn't World Champion yet and Hikaru was just a smug 20 year old who thought he could take Magnus, even while drunk. He only regrets it because he lost big time. What a lame.
This is the dumbest thing I’ve read today
You have such poor comprehension, it's insane. Here's a tip: speak less, and try to think more.
I mean he did to an extent. He got 11 wins against carlsen