Magnus Carlsen and Hans Niemann cheating saga: Full explanation by GothamChess

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  • @LexClips
    @LexClips  Před rokem +56

    Full podcast episode: czcams.com/video/iSMpTmibeDw/video.html
    Lex Fridman podcast channel: czcams.com/users/lexfridman
    Guest bio: Levy Rozman, also known as GothamChess, is a professional chess player, streamer, and educator.

    • @neville-mladen9393
      @neville-mladen9393 Před rokem

      This is so funny, where Levi and this fellow, Lex, are so stupid that they just cannot see the woods for the trees ! Regardless of whether Hans cheated on the board or not, we and the world know that the game Magnus played with Hans had a significant impact on the way Magnus played. Even though I, for one, believe Hans was the type of man and has proven to be the type of man to have a chip medically inserted into his body, I absolutely believe that is what Hans and his cheating coach had both executed successfully, but that, my friends, is a moot point. Now Levi and Lex have both testified that Hans, a self-confessed cheater, should never ever be allowed to play other GM's. Let this be a message to all GM's. If you have been knighted and are a self-confessed poedophile, then never again can you go anywhere near children ever again.
      And still these two stupid BOZOS just cannot work this out, I find this utterly hilarious
      My website: treasontoday.com/

    • @jrwilliams4029
      @jrwilliams4029 Před rokem +3

      Gotham double talk per usual: “people don’t cheat at elite level chess.” Later he contradicts himself while expounding on the ultra elite Sigfield Cup “security is 🐶 sh*t they have a little wand and that’s about it. Tight security measures weren’t enacted.”

    • @conorladrigan6055
      @conorladrigan6055 Před rokem

      Vgvgo

    • @JohnWalshny
      @JohnWalshny Před rokem

      ְשש

    • @JohnWalshny
      @JohnWalshny Před rokem

      @@jrwilliams4029 ש

  • @ricdond
    @ricdond Před rokem +2634

    42 minute clip, lex is a savage

    • @TooSeriously
      @TooSeriously Před rokem +64

      For the people.

    • @vashumashu4359
      @vashumashu4359 Před rokem +28

      Start to finish, too.

    • @micahpolizzi7007
      @micahpolizzi7007 Před rokem +23

      Why he doesn’t get watched

    • @Henkkaassouffle
      @Henkkaassouffle Před rokem +16

      Longer than some podcasts.

    • @ddandymann
      @ddandymann Před rokem +42

      @@micahpolizzi7007 And yet you're here.
      I will honestly never understand people like you who go to video's just to comment that you didn't watch it. That seems like a really sad existance.

  • @monahengramokhoro
    @monahengramokhoro Před rokem +472

    I've been pleasantly surprised, that Levy has been the best voice during this whole scandal in my opinion. Never overlooking the seriousness of the situation but at the same time being an empathetic human with great compassion for the situation. Kudos! Been a fan since the Queen's Gambit boom

    • @connahbourton5097
      @connahbourton5097 Před rokem +9

      Levy becoming a pillar of the chess community, much like Agadmator. Hopefully one day he can make GM

    • @seams4186
      @seams4186 Před rokem +1

      I killed someone

  • @mojo88bassandbourbon72
    @mojo88bassandbourbon72 Před rokem +291

    Like Gotham or not personality wise the man really explained his understanding of the scandal with perfection here imo

    • @ObiAmajoyiSrMD
      @ObiAmajoyiSrMD Před rokem +7

      Well said. One thing I learned which maybe I overlooked was that Hans beat Magnus twice during the scandal

    • @kev_mclernon_family_channe4745
      @kev_mclernon_family_channe4745 Před rokem +5

      He comes in at different ways. Like sometimes it’s a real chess lesson, the range of variation in how he instructively presents a game, and when it’s kind of a commentary. So it did take a bit for me to watch regularly. I wish him continued success.

    • @mojo88bassandbourbon72
      @mojo88bassandbourbon72 Před rokem

      @@kev_mclernon_family_channe4745 agree

    • @AlanGonzalez-ev6ur
      @AlanGonzalez-ev6ur Před rokem +22

      does anyone not like him? i thought he was really loved

    • @thlee3
      @thlee3 Před 3 měsíci

      well he did make like 35 videos about it

  • @dan7291able
    @dan7291able Před rokem +250

    This was great honestly, this guy is super insightful and articulate and conveys everything perfectly, You can tell he's a chess player just by his SUPER memory lol, everything he recites back or whatever he's quoting is always WORD for word lol
    He's also super right about this " cheating in sports is one thing, you can still lose, cheating in chess? you are GOD, you CANNOT lose.. its very dangerous

  • @tropictom5996
    @tropictom5996 Před rokem +127

    As many times as the word “orifice” is mentioned by Lex and the level of smirking, I suspect it is only a matter of time before his curiosity gets the best of him.

  • @turalturall753
    @turalturall753 Před rokem +82

    If he still cheats despite all precautions, he deserves the "trojan horse" award.

  • @steelmouth83
    @steelmouth83 Před rokem +38

    no ways he only cheated twice in his life and it just so happens to be the two times he got caught

  • @A-A-Ron17
    @A-A-Ron17 Před rokem +112

    Lex closed alluding to what the perfect next step would be: for Hans to appear on the podcast.

    • @trucid2
      @trucid2 Před rokem +12

      Hans needs to speak for himself.

  • @dorothygale1104
    @dorothygale1104 Před rokem +9

    To be clear about direct evidence vs. circumstantial evidence, the common misunderstanding is that circumstantial evidence is inherently inferior to direct evidence, which is incorrect under US law. In jury trials, the judge specifically instructs the jury that circumstantial evidence is of equal value to direct evidence. Circumstantial evidence can prove a fact as reliably as direct evidence. For example, if you wake up in the morning and look out the window and see everything covered in snow, yet there was no snow when you went to bed, that is circumstantial evidence that proves that it snowed while you be were asleep. Direct evdence in this example would be if you woke during the night and saw it snowing. There are instances where direct evidence is inferior to circumstantial evidence, such as when two witnesses give conflicting accounts of a situation. In an alleged cheating situation where information is being conveyed from a hidden device carried on the participant’s person, there never will be direct evidence unless a post-match body search is conducted and found.

  • @planahath
    @planahath Před rokem +21

    In their Sinquefield Cup game, Niemann didn't completely dominate Carlsen. Carlsen could have had good drawing chances in a number of moments in that game. Carlsen just played a bad game, Niemann didn't do anything remarkable.

  • @alessiovargiu5516
    @alessiovargiu5516 Před rokem +58

    "it gets to the point you feel guilty about things you didnt do, that's when your brain really goes crazy...yeah i'm with you on that"
    i felt that

    • @tongpoo8985
      @tongpoo8985 Před rokem +3

      I dont understand it, why feel guilty when you didnt do anything?

  • @isoSw1fty
    @isoSw1fty Před rokem +15

    Beating a 2400 while being drunk as hell while he starting in a losing position says everything.

  • @ObiAmajoyiSrMD
    @ObiAmajoyiSrMD Před rokem +103

    Lex always seems like he needs a coffee.

  • @Arkstromater
    @Arkstromater Před rokem +20

    Good cheaters will lose on purpose to make you think they are not cheating .Warzone cheaters do it all the time especially if they were good players before they started cheating . it’s very hard to tell if someone’s cheating because they will do things to throw you off

  • @theprogressivemichigander6588

    I'm not anywhere nearly good enough at chess to tell if Hans is cheating or even how well he or Magnus are playing in a game. But my guess from others' analysis is that Magnus knew Hans had cheated previously, thought he was cheating again, and underperformed. No one seems to think Magnus played well by his own standards and everyone believes he could have held the draw if he'd played better.
    I think people want to believe that either there was a sensationalized cheating scandal capped with this victory or that Hans just has an element of genius in his play which overwhelmed a top-performing Magnus.
    But to me, even Magnus's statements seem to admit that he was inordinately focused on whether Hans was cheating and not on playing his best. I'm sure that kind of distraction has a real impact on how well he can play.

    • @spencebrown19
      @spencebrown19 Před rokem +3

      This is it.

    • @TheGaming100
      @TheGaming100 Před rokem +8

      I think when you look into how little detail he's giving out for games he JUST PLAYED kinda makes it kinda hard to believe he's not cheating or is just flat out no better at chess than someone like myself

    • @mambaASI
      @mambaASI Před rokem +8

      You haven't considered that many things can be true simultaneously. Meaning there is a reality where magnus was very concerned with hans cheating, so magnus chose a somewhat obscure opening and made sharp moves (after the typical theoretical moves) that puts his opponent under serious pressure early/mid in the game to where a blunder is very costly. I believe the fact that hans played quite literally the best moves to counter that opening and magnus sharp attacks in the early game is what really threw magnus off in the mid/end game, because combined with his distrust of hans before the match it was basically validation for magnus that hans was cheating in some way over the board. And again, its absolutely possible that hans was in fact cheating based on those literally perfect counter moves as analyzed by stockfish later.

    • @stankyt5882
      @stankyt5882 Před rokem +1

      @@TheGaming100 I don't wanna ever defend a dude I don't know, but say I'm extremely talented at something and that specific activity just clicks for me and everything comes naturally, I dont think I could 100% explain absolutely everything I do, all I know is that what I do is correct because it makes sense. I don't have too much attachment to this guy and I feel like defending him is a waste of time, but those are my thoughts on it. It's still very confusing for me

    • @imjustaturtle641
      @imjustaturtle641 Před rokem +8

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@stankyt5882 ​​⁠ I hear you, but Chess is very different. Because it’s all math, Grand Masters KNOW the Chess board forwards and backwards. So much so they can play it blindfolded.
      For Hans to be so dismissive and have no explanation after beating someone like Magnus, who is in all honesty the greatest Chess player of our time, is extremely weird.

  • @jannavratil9846
    @jannavratil9846 Před rokem +5

    Lex maaan that is a freaking long clip - i just realised being almost through it :D very nice, thank you for sharing!

  • @clootscalhoun9481
    @clootscalhoun9481 Před rokem +83

    “Trash talking people at chess tournaments….”
    I’ll take “Least intimidating sentences I’ve ever heard for $800” please

    • @ember-evergarden
      @ember-evergarden Před 28 dny +1

      lmfao they would verbally destroy your woke paper tiger ass.

  • @Iceman-gm1fu
    @Iceman-gm1fu Před rokem +274

    hans getting 100% best move on so many games is impossible. him not being able to explain his games is a dead giveaway. to think he isn't cheating is just naive

    • @user-xm6ro1ep5d
      @user-xm6ro1ep5d Před rokem +17

      It's just one of those situations where everything else aligns but the main point isn't clear, and I agree with you

    • @BruceLee-qc2lm
      @BruceLee-qc2lm Před rokem +20

      I mean Han's played at a tournament recently and won, after being checked by security and everything against a good chess player. Like Hans said "I let chess speak for itself"

    • @billparis9624
      @billparis9624 Před rokem +25

      This seems so ridiculous to me. As if Hans couldn't explain what happened during a chess game, even if he was cheating. He has been playing chess his entire life. Even if he is not one of the 10 best players on the planet, he is easily one of the best 1000 chess players on the planet. To imagine that he can't talk about chess if he wanted to, is absurd.

    • @Iceman-gm1fu
      @Iceman-gm1fu Před rokem +28

      @@billparis9624 so why doesn't he?

    • @billparis9624
      @billparis9624 Před rokem +13

      @@Iceman-gm1fu Because he doesn't want to. Do you really believe he knows so little about chess that he is incapable of talking about it in a coherent manner? Or do you maybe believe he has a weird, off-putting, egotistical, personality that rubs people the wrong way.

  • @jeffreymorris1752
    @jeffreymorris1752 Před rokem +4

    They use a wand that relies upon the device they're detecting being powered up and emitting. Like the cheater can't simply turn it off for the check.

  • @Luis2Munchiez
    @Luis2Munchiez Před rokem +24

    we’re not gonna talk about how perfect Levy’s Jose Mourninho’s impression is ?

  • @snarevox
    @snarevox Před rokem +10

    postgame at sinquefield, hans called it a "miracle" multiple times that he "just so happened" to review the g3 nimzo opening.. whether or not magnus ever played it is or maybe was a point of contention in the debate. idk i just think its pretty interesting.

    • @zezeti2246
      @zezeti2246 Před 14 hodinami

      If you ask me,I think Lex was onto something when he said that Hans might be more of an instinctual player

  • @Luke-wz4em
    @Luke-wz4em Před rokem +1

    When was this recorded?

  • @Screen-Peeks
    @Screen-Peeks Před rokem +7

    I am 25 joined a chess club at school when I was 8 , haven’t played since , watching Hikaru and this guy now and learning about magnus I am now interested in playing chess again! I’m getting wiser

  • @tjsoulsurfer45
    @tjsoulsurfer45 Před rokem +5

    It takes less than 10 secs to walk through an airport grade full body scanner. How is a 2 dollar wand going to cut it with so much money and reputation at stake?

  • @BRLambert4
    @BRLambert4 Před rokem +31

    I am a passive viewer of this podcast, although I enjoy it very much.
    I only have a basic understanding of Chess and that might be less basic than I even know....BUT...this entire 40 some minute clip is a very compelling conversation and an insight into a world I never really considered before.
    I also have a great deal of respect for the guest after he explains his understanding that he has a level of responsibility to his listeners when discussing a controversial subject and how he could sway opinion. To understand that he has that ability and to make the conscious effort to remain objective is lacking in online discourse and I hope more people start to follow his example.

    • @katielowen
      @katielowen Před 2 měsíci

      Could you sum up the 42 min video for me? I’m not going to waste nearly an hour listening to how grown men cheated at a child’s board game. 🤡🤣

    • @IWannatalkpodcast
      @IWannatalkpodcast Před měsícem

      Chess is not a child's board game. Basically a normal GM who's admitted he cheated online a few times beat the greatest player of all time playing with the accuracy of an engine and claimed he didn't have nothing to explain. That's basically what happened, I don't know much about anything since which is why I'm here ​@@katielowen

    • @zezeti2246
      @zezeti2246 Před 14 hodinami

      I'm not into chess,I kinda understand it at a very basic level,but I liked how he basically said he has to be very careful what comes out of his mouth,if only more influential people would have this sort of thinking in modern days

    • @zezeti2246
      @zezeti2246 Před 14 hodinami

      ​@@IWannatalkpodcastI think Lex was onto something when he said Hans might be more of an instinctual player,I do the same shxt,some moves just make perfect sense to me,never been a theory buffer

  • @moonchipss
    @moonchipss Před rokem +41

    People who aren't familiar with chess thinks there is an element of luck. When at that level it really isn't the case AT ALL. Every move has a reason, and justification.
    Hans made very accurate moves throughout at every turn and couldn't even explain the basics of why he did what he did. And the performance contrast to his other games are just insanely huge.

    • @chetbuxton764
      @chetbuxton764 Před rokem +3

      I see you are building a case, all you are missing is hard evidence on how did he cheat OTB. I’ll check back later on to read your closing statement

    • @lespaul5734
      @lespaul5734 Před rokem

      @@chetbuxton764 When the circumstancial and anecdotal evidence starrts piling up, its not looking good for Hans. Unless you catch someone red-handed, OTB cheating is incredibly hard to prove. Regardless, Hans has been caught in lies about his cheating habits in the past. Whether he did cheat against MAgnus or not might not be provable, but Hans is singlehandedly burying himself with his lies.

    • @moonchipss
      @moonchipss Před rokem +1

      ​@@chetbuxton764by your logic Aliens built the pyramids because we have no evidence on how they did it.

    • @SquirrelJam
      @SquirrelJam Před rokem +6

      I don't think anyone at any familiarity at all with chess believe there's an element of luck to it

    • @SquirrelJam
      @SquirrelJam Před rokem +6

      @@chetbuxton764 ahh the imminent chet buxton, what would intellectuals do without you ?

  • @joshuadalton6063
    @joshuadalton6063 Před rokem +11

    "I would hate to have the whole world point there fingers at me" Yes, exactly, that should shame and put enough fear into people to not cheat (in chess or anything), and yet people still do it. Especially in chess, you have to go through so many steps and it is such a process to do it (OTB anyway, maybe not online that is pretty easy), you can hardly claim it was just a small mistake or "he's still a human being" or "i messed up". "He's a human being" would apply if he got $5 too much change at the checkout and didn't say anything, not weeks of premeditated preplanned actions.

    • @wolfumz
      @wolfumz Před rokem +1

      I mean, Hans literally is a human being though, that has not changed. So the statement literally does apply, and it's literally true.
      Murderers and serial killers and war criminals are human beings, too. So I don't think the statement is necessarily meant to absolve him of guilt. Even though these are people who have done these bad things, the freaky part is how much we share with them just by virtue of being human. Even with war criminals, we don't put them in a medieval torture device or stone them to death. We put them on trial, and hold them in jail in mostly humane conditions. I think wondering if social punishment and social shame can be cruel and unusual shows compassion.

    • @joshuadalton6063
      @joshuadalton6063 Před rokem +1

      @@wolfumz I understand and agree somewhat, and wasn't saying he wasn't still a human being so we can't have some compassion and forgiveness for what he did, I mean him being an imperfect human being is not an excuse or defence or absolution or grounds for some emotional appeal.
      What he did (if we assume he did) is nowhere near any level of serial killer or war criminal, but in the same way as society generally accepts to put those people to death (we do do that generally) and it isn't cruel or unusual (assuming method of death isn't), I don't think it is cruel or unusual for him to experience social punishment as consequence for getting caught cheating before and deciding to do it again (if he did).
      In some ways he's already lucky he didn't get any punishment from FIDE for his earlier online cheating (AFAIK anyway), but I'd say to some degree we/FIDE did him a dis-service for not punishing him when it was minor and letting it get to the point where he cheated when it grew to a major issue. Not to say that would have guaranteed it, but generally when people do things like cheating and get away with it and continue doing it.

  • @John-lo4xz
    @John-lo4xz Před rokem +16

    Great to be able to consume these in a quicker format. Thanks Lex. You're the man. :)

  • @heathra68
    @heathra68 Před rokem +8

    We are now dealing with pretty big scandals in Chess, Poker, and Bass Fishing of all things. The scandal in poker is incredibly similar to this scandal scenario about two years ago. In the poker scandal, we have a really new, average player making the greatest call of all time, but because (IMO), the player isn't as skilled, she can't explain what/why she made the bets she did.
    Parallel to the chess world, cheating hasn't been accused at this level, and Hans becomes someone who either cant/won't explain the moves made or variations to the positions, but with someone who's a top 100 player, he is much more skilled and integrating the engine in an OTB scenario. He could use a cheat, and once Magnus begins to play poorly due to his suspicions, Hans would be good enough to abandon the top moves and takeover leaving the engine top line and finishing a distracted GM. If a top 10 talent ever began cheating, we'd never know, because they could explain any move and all thoughts behind it, no matter how odd or advanced.

    • @Furionic696
      @Furionic696 Před rokem +1

      You sir need to give a brief rundown of the bass fishing scandal my soul requires it please, PLEASE

    • @heathra68
      @heathra68 Před rokem +1

      @@Furionic696 So I'm not well read on it, but the gist is a team that has just been destroying tournaments for a good chunk of time was found to have been stuffing their fish with extra weight, the ones they got caught with had been stuffed with extra fish filet chunks, metal weights, and metal tools. I think they had won something in the area of 500k in the last 18 months or so and had just been destroying the competition. That's about all I have, but there's some videos of the judge cutting open the fish and the opposing teams starting to react. That's about all I think I know, and some of this may be off a bit, fishing isn't really in my wheelhouse.

    • @stankyt5882
      @stankyt5882 Před rokem

      @@heathra68 that's fricking insane, 500k in cash for bass fishing? Holy hell

  • @oscarmejia1811
    @oscarmejia1811 Před rokem +11

    19:13 Closed my eyes and heard Mourinho😂

  • @jonathanglauser5877
    @jonathanglauser5877 Před rokem +92

    Thanks for making chess culture cool again Lex. I wish this saga and your podcast was around 20 years ago when I was in high school, but I’m glad the next generation is learning the smartest game in history. I play all the time and I feel it sharpens your other skills and I’m grateful for whoever invented the game of chess. Definitely gonna check out more of GothamChess stuff, seems like an interesting and intelligent person.

    • @DropBear_42
      @DropBear_42 Před rokem

      Did you check him out?? What’d ya think?

  • @heathra68
    @heathra68 Před rokem +52

    That tingle you feel listening to Hans is very well documented. That's your brain catching a vibe it can't quite process yet, but the grass is moving and you best be prepared.

  • @treakfly
    @treakfly Před rokem +103

    I cant believe a CHESS drama would take 40 minutes to explain...
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    I LOVE IT

  • @paypig919
    @paypig919 Před 4 měsíci +2

    neat video levy has always high energy and that's admirable.

  • @mambaASI
    @mambaASI Před rokem +30

    you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt you did not cheat. Just give an immediate postgame analysis of your own moves in front of a another GM. Give detailed analysis of the lines you played vs lines you considered in various critical positions. If you can do this immediately postgame in front a GM who you can't BS with vague worded explanations and claiming "luck" or "intuition", then very likely you did not cheat. And I would think this should be mandatory practice for ANY player with a history of cheating in chess...

    • @dorothygale1104
      @dorothygale1104 Před rokem +5

      If a post/match detailed interview “very likely” proves you did not cheat, that directly contradicts your assertion that it can be proved “beyond a reasonable doubt” that you didn’t cheat. “Very likely” and “beyond a reasonable doubt” are not equal standards of proof.

    • @ryanparker3_2_1
      @ryanparker3_2_1 Před rokem +1

      Def cannot

    • @mambaASI
      @mambaASI Před rokem +1

      @@dorothygale1104 imo they are. "beyond a reasonable doubt" is not a perfect standard of proof. Unfortunately, we see this many times in the american justice system, where innocent people are wrongfully sentenced to prison because the judge and/or jury ruled the presented evidence to prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt". My saying "very likely" is subjective, and so is "beyond a reasonable doubt" because the standard varies based on who the judge/jury is.

  • @kainenable
    @kainenable Před rokem +3

    This is crazy, I have no idea where this Lex guy has come from? He is interviewing everyone I care about. Levy, John Carmak, etc.

  • @thedude7319
    @thedude7319 Před rokem

    There is a story in rules of power I think. About a chessplayer from bostom who played ussr grandmaster

  • @timmy31087
    @timmy31087 Před rokem +1

    Loved this long clip :)))

  • @Sinnicide
    @Sinnicide Před rokem +3

    Just funny to me as an avid Rocket League player im not the best but im not terrible, Champion 2. When at 17:45 Lex asks about the intuition vs intelligence of the player, then Gotham replies perfectly for what Ive realized applies to all high levels of play. I am currently at the point of my intuitions max capability in RL but I don't prioritize putting Rocket League first enough to get good at everything else. I get better when I play little by little but to truly Hone everything else that you have to be good at takes willpower and dedication. So overall I just think that his mindset makes perfect sense when approaching the scandal. Not saying I know if he is right but that I see very little flaws in his evaluation from my own experience.

    • @christianb7125
      @christianb7125 Před rokem

      Yep GC2 here and I’m pretty much capped I don’t have the time to get higher than that the skill gap is just way too insane from GC2 to SSL.

  • @johngrear6506
    @johngrear6506 Před rokem +49

    Carlson is right. The game has a major problem and it needs to be addressed. Good on him for taking a stand.

    • @felixjohnston3402
      @felixjohnston3402 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Or maybe he’s just salty he lost. Michael Jordan had a huge ego, Bobby Fischer, so did Muhammad Ali. Ever consider that might obscure his judgment?

    • @user-yz7fr6kd7y
      @user-yz7fr6kd7y Před 10 měsíci +1

      magnus is a crybaby, just like his fanboys. It's normal that after a long time on top you start to get targeted, people will study you harder than they do other players. Same thing happened to FC Barcelona , half a decade ago. It's the same principle, just 'cause someone studied you after a match doesn't mean they are going to win every time.

    • @MIDO44444
      @MIDO44444 Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@felixjohnston3402 perhaps but Magnus lost to a young indian player and it made bigger news than Hans's victory ( because chess is big in india ) and he didnt accuse him of chesting + Hans had a history of cheating and there was some red flags that make it suspicious and "suspicious" is a key word here nothing is certain but my point is Magnus had merit to his suspicions it wasnt all baseless

  • @farebasedmessiah5261
    @farebasedmessiah5261 Před 6 měsíci +2

    19:19 His impression of Jose Mourinho is very good!!!

  • @h3l3nn3tr4m4i
    @h3l3nn3tr4m4i Před 3 měsíci +1

    Same. It's stimulating listening to knowledge people talk about what they're passionate about.

  • @wadekillman1198
    @wadekillman1198 Před rokem +3

    There are machines that could block all radio and other forms of signal, why not just impliment that. Then dude cant duck Hans.

  • @richmonksgtr
    @richmonksgtr Před rokem +27

    This is what my life’s become: I just listened to 42:18 of chess talk, hoping to get to weird butt stuff. 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @4lifejeph
      @4lifejeph Před rokem

      I still don't know how the dude cheated, just that he cheated allegedly.

    • @MyAmazingUsername
      @MyAmazingUsername Před rokem +3

      After 13:50 they mention it.

  • @kainenable
    @kainenable Před rokem

    That was an incredibly convoluted way of getting Magnus on.

  • @m.douglas5406
    @m.douglas5406 Před rokem

    Wait, Lex had on Levy?! I’ve got to see the full episode.

  • @darthsebio1726
    @darthsebio1726 Před rokem +11

    Lex Friedman : there is a excitement to play god and getting away with it...continues building AI...

  • @l91106
    @l91106 Před rokem +6

    i find chess talk so relaxing even tho i understand almost nill of it lol

  • @Crowe828
    @Crowe828 Před rokem

    I feel like this Hans guy would sound like me trying to explain the moves I make. I don’t know anything about e4 to a5 or names of openings lol I just started tho and trying to learn some of them

  • @nickg8424
    @nickg8424 Před rokem +1

    when i played go, against the computer, i would lose then go back and try to find my mistake.
    i gained some 10 kyu. so i don't know.

  • @GeekGamer666
    @GeekGamer666 Před rokem +2

    I haven't really got into the podcast thing yet but listening to Lex talk I can understand it.

  • @petercohen3966
    @petercohen3966 Před rokem +1

    Definitely get Danny on the podcast.

  • @Frankey2310
    @Frankey2310 Před měsícem +1

    14:02 - a modern PI-type metal detector is more than sensitive enough to find even a tiny PCB in the small intestine, let alone "an orifice". The real challenge to detect would be a small zink-air powered device hidden inside a dental implant or even just a crown. Get a professional dentist to order the appropriate fixture, then split it clean, carve out a cavity for the hardware and then put all in place with temporary glue. With any dental braces in place, this is 100% masked from metal detection. If you work really hard at minimizing the trace area on the board, shit won't even show up clear on a panoramic jaw X-Ray! CT scan of the head, maybe.
    There's of course the signal detection aspect, but that can be counteracted by having your encrypted data transmitted over a constantly-active ultra-wideband spread-spectrum channel, already indistinguishable from ambient noise, with the option to widen the bandwidth even more with actual masking noise. The SIGINT guys, even if they know exactly what to look at, won't be able to prove what they've intercepted wasn't just thermal noise in their gear.

  • @LIMBOtheInternetguy
    @LIMBOtheInternetguy Před rokem

    clip ???? 45 min ???

  • @JSB27
    @JSB27 Před rokem

    How would someone cheat over the board?

  • @EarlSmith2469
    @EarlSmith2469 Před rokem +5

    I could tell last year Magnus was ready to pass the Baton. He wants someone to come and become champion take it from him. I think it disappoints him that a cheater is trying for some Stolen Valor.

  • @timlamiam
    @timlamiam Před rokem +13

    Niemann reminds me of that poker cheat who gave bizarre interview explanations like "i just read him in that situation" when he was actually cheating with a phone.

    • @ibobeko4309
      @ibobeko4309 Před rokem +3

      there was a recent poker scandal with a women, they asked her how she won and she could not explain it, she totally lacked understanding what she done and her assumptions made no sense.

    • @colorsabsract7107
      @colorsabsract7107 Před 9 měsíci

      @@ibobeko4309don’t mind my ignorance but is poker not purely just on luck, luck with the hand given, and luck in the sense of hoping what’s in your hand is better than those in the others? I’m not trolling, please tell me how anyone can explain poker if it’s purely on luck

  • @YaBoiJeffe
    @YaBoiJeffe Před rokem +5

    Whoever is directing him is smart enough to deliberately make questionable plays to throw you off, but still dominate.

    • @bigta1982
      @bigta1982 Před rokem +1

      Could be that they are just giving him the piece to move but not where to move it.

    • @tomk3682
      @tomk3682 Před rokem +2

      Chess player cheats with AI

    • @johnanderson3731
      @johnanderson3731 Před rokem

      Doesn’t it have to be an actual chess super computer? Because how do you find someone willing to cheat with you who can actually beat Magnus

  • @shannonmcstormy5021
    @shannonmcstormy5021 Před rokem

    Ok......but what I want to know is how the heck do they video the game?, and how do they communicate moves to the player? Seriously?! That's my largest problem with all of this. In gambling, there are a deck of cards, numbered 1-10, 4 face-cards, separated into 4 suits. That seems doable from a "vibrating device" perspective, especially because you don't have to keep track of the entire game, but rather only gambling-significant events and trends. How would a chess move be communicated? How are the observing or learning about the game as its ongoing?

    • @streetracer2321
      @streetracer2321 Před rokem +1

      They started delaying the streaming of chess tournaments by 15min, and Niemann still won. It’s very unlikely that he’s cheating.

  • @danielpatterson9663
    @danielpatterson9663 Před rokem +8

    Hans Niemann looks like he could be SBF' s brother, in crime.

  • @JeromeDemers
    @JeromeDemers Před rokem +1

    so we know who is the next guest

  • @dickdeoreo
    @dickdeoreo Před rokem +2

    I don’t know what’s what in chess really, but I was captivated by this clip.

  • @DeePunter
    @DeePunter Před rokem

    Why can't they just delay the streaming of chess moves to like 5 moves behind ? Will that help?

    • @streetracer2321
      @streetracer2321 Před rokem +2

      They delayed it 15min, and Niemann still won. So now Carlsen has said he won’t play Niemann no matter how many security measures there are. It’s 100% clear that Carlsen is just a sore loser.

    • @DeePunter
      @DeePunter Před rokem

      @@streetracer2321 im more curious how cheating is done if there is cheating, i dont watch chess. maybe clenching butt creates an input for the computer in the anus. idk

    • @deadarmd
      @deadarmd Před 5 dny

      It doesn't have to be based on the video feed. It can be based on a lot of things

  • @liviubircea2955
    @liviubircea2955 Před rokem +2

    Can someone explain how can you possibly cheat in chess ?
    Still dont understand how he cheated.

    • @ujmm
      @ujmm Před rokem

      Chess engines play better than any human. So he could have had a device connected to chess engines. The type of vibration could tell him the optimal move. People have been caught doing that before, but not at this level.

  • @Lordgorbon
    @Lordgorbon Před rokem +5

    What’s with the 3 sea shells in the bathroom thing?

    • @buttercupcoffee5972
      @buttercupcoffee5972 Před rokem +1

      A reference to Demolition Man with Sylvester Stallone, Sandra Bullock, and Wesley Snipes.

    • @Furionic696
      @Furionic696 Před rokem +1

      Man I cannot imagine what it's like to be alive and not understand that reference lol

    • @deadarmd
      @deadarmd Před 5 dny

      ​@@Furionic696 he doesn't know how to use the three sea shells. *laughter*

  • @TDQ_Gaming
    @TDQ_Gaming Před rokem +2

    The future is chess cage matches. Cube cages of wire mesh.

  • @AlexRochette
    @AlexRochette Před rokem +3

    What’s the three household thing?

    • @Thatotter223
      @Thatotter223 Před rokem

      Mom dad grandparents ? Idk

    • @paulthomas5860
      @paulthomas5860 Před 29 dny

      I bet Dad divorced twice, two stepmoms & two sets a f step siblings (the way he laughed )

  • @elartedepararte
    @elartedepararte Před rokem +4

    Just need Hikaru on the podcast to finish the saga

  • @liamingraham7660
    @liamingraham7660 Před rokem +1

    Lol! Tweeting an image of text when you're guilty is so true!

    • @DimitriSovendas
      @DimitriSovendas Před rokem

      This was the best part of this clip! Burst out laughing! Well played to Lex!

  • @lw3894
    @lw3894 Před rokem

    How are they not related?

  • @laomein6199
    @laomein6199 Před rokem +1

    27:24 is undeniably adorable

  • @adelinaquijano1083
    @adelinaquijano1083 Před rokem +1

    he not mention

  •  Před rokem +1

    Hikaru, Levy, Fiona Hill... I am so subscribing to this. Get us Oleksej Orestovič too.

  • @ianrust3785
    @ianrust3785 Před rokem +1

    Chess tournaments just need more sophisticated technology for detecting electronic devices. There are ways of detecting devices.

  • @vintagetrikesandquads4012
    @vintagetrikesandquads4012 Před 4 měsíci +1

    "Cheating" is too vague. It seems the people who ensure the integrity of the game have to explore how it would be done technically in order to prevent it. A device in the shoe seems plausible. An ear piece--although that seems easily detectable. A device in an orifice seems implausible, as how could it be used to communicate complex moves.

  • @podunkest
    @podunkest Před rokem +10

    So weird, but awesome, seeing Levy here. It's like two universes I have separated in my mind collided.

    • @OwenL2020
      @OwenL2020 Před rokem

      I feel the exact same. Was trying to explain this scandal to my wife and wanted to see if Levy had done a long breakdown.
      Pleasantly surprised to see him here. Great interview. Great questions from Lex.

    • @AntonAdelson
      @AntonAdelson Před rokem

      Levy is also Russian, right?

    • @OwenL2020
      @OwenL2020 Před rokem

      @@AntonAdelson Could be wrong, but I thought he was Polish.

  • @hanvroman
    @hanvroman Před rokem +2

    Maybe Hans Niemann give way to Magnus on that beach in miami that he cheated in the pass otb, magnus than promised Hans not to tell anyone...

  • @nobodys2358
    @nobodys2358 Před rokem

    I'm pretty sure Lex Fridman fights injustice when the rest of us sleep.

  • @tylermanning4321
    @tylermanning4321 Před rokem

    Is this Lex's new studio? Or Gothams?

  • @josephwuebben9754
    @josephwuebben9754 Před 29 dny +2

    See I like this side of Gotham

  • @barnowl2832
    @barnowl2832 Před 3 měsíci

    20:00 I agree it's not a good explanation for what happened but its also possible Magnus or someone on his team was hacked. Doesn't need to have been a mole / leak

  • @adelinaquijano1083
    @adelinaquijano1083 Před rokem

    too much struggle lots of pain I suffer myself

  • @xWIREDOGx
    @xWIREDOGx Před rokem +19

    What’s always left out is the refocus in chess happened when Hans got rejected from Harvard. It follows that there was real drive behind his assent.

  • @tejagundala1826
    @tejagundala1826 Před rokem +3

    Why do American chess players sound European? Levy Rozman was born and brought up in Brooklyn, but sounds nothing like somebody from Brooklyn, NY. Same thing with Hans Neimann

  • @alvinchowdhury6557
    @alvinchowdhury6557 Před rokem +1

    please get Martin Shkreli

  • @michaelpipkin9942
    @michaelpipkin9942 Před rokem +2

    I know I'm dumb, but how do you cheat a chess? Someone tells you the moves, what?

    • @ibobeko4309
      @ibobeko4309 Před rokem +3

      Yes.
      It is so easy, you can beat the best player in just a starting a chess game and act like you were the other guy and copy his move. And you copy the computers move, which is far superior than any human.
      Now you need signal transmitter, which has to transmit a message like A2 to A4.
      They accuse him of using an anal plug, it is vibrating, you can turn down the intensity and use a program to send a morse code.

    • @deadarmd
      @deadarmd Před 5 dny

      There are ways it can even just tell him what move to make

  • @phinney2735
    @phinney2735 Před rokem +24

    Is Lex drunk?

    • @JohnDoe-pc3jk
      @JohnDoe-pc3jk Před rokem +5

      Arent we all?

    • @kevinle5460
      @kevinle5460 Před rokem +1

      @@JohnDoe-pc3jk ah yes John Doe, drunk we all are, on the ecstasy of life

  • @Rene_Christensen
    @Rene_Christensen Před rokem

    Have Harry Mack on. Would love to see you pick his brain.

  • @adelinaquijano1083
    @adelinaquijano1083 Před rokem

    I don't know what is my position while I'm sleeping...
    Then I don't know how to process

  • @JosephLupoli
    @JosephLupoli Před rokem +17

    Lex Fridman is the most fascinating interviewer I've ever listened to, to date.
    Lex is just so versatile, that he can (and does) interview anyone about anything. He appears to have both a passion and a gift for talking go and really listening to people.

  • @AIRFGC
    @AIRFGC Před rokem

    42 min clip nice
    I listened to every second

  • @jrgussngussn7093
    @jrgussngussn7093 Před rokem

    We were five miles outside of barstow... when the chessboard began to kick in...

  • @salvagebot1592
    @salvagebot1592 Před rokem +8

    Incredible what Gotham has done for chess, especially in terms of monetization

  • @zachfarris3266
    @zachfarris3266 Před 2 měsíci

    Notice Jordan didn't deny the correlation between carbon dioxide and the temperature of the climate. Instead, questioned if we can even measure temperature and the source of the co2. The climate has always changed, but research the consequences of those changes on the organisms which need the most energy to survive.

  • @adelinaquijano1083
    @adelinaquijano1083 Před rokem

    I was looking outside.

  • @CactusBologna-fb4dr
    @CactusBologna-fb4dr Před 3 měsíci

    Very interesting last bit there lex. I wonder how many people picked up on that. That part about…..Ya that was good, if you end up talking him into that interview you should be given the top award in your field, whatever it maybe, if there is one. Perhaps my wife could do an interview on life in the fast lane or what have you.

  • @raymondwandell8880
    @raymondwandell8880 Před rokem +19

    No idea if he cheated or not but this story has put Chess in the spotlight. I'm probably not the only one who started playing because of it.

  • @jonlarson44
    @jonlarson44 Před rokem +23

    Lex, don’t ever change a damn thing about yourself or what you do. Your work is incredible.

  • @watchmanbob3864
    @watchmanbob3864 Před rokem +4

    Maybe you need to consider the possibility that Hans is demon possessed.