The TRUTH about why Tom Cruise and John Travolta are scientologists
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- Former scientologist Chris Shelton talks about his time in the cult of scientology and exposes the truth about Tom Cruise, John Travolta and David Miscavige, and why the celebrities remain scientologists.
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Chris Shelton Links:
Chris' full channel: / @chrissheltonmsc
Chris' clips:
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Scientology: A to Xenu: An Insider's Guide to What Scientology is All About:
www.amazon.com/Scientology-Xe...
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Andrew Gold Links:
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andrewgoldpodcast.com
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#scientology #cults #tomcruise
0:00 Getting Involved in Scientology / Second Generation Members
6:03 Teen Years / Scientology Coursework
7:25 Scientology is a Business
8:12 Auditing
11:02 Life in Scientology / The Sea Organization
16:17 Recovering from Scientology / Peeling the Onion
20:31 John Travolta and Jett Travolta
23:59 Tom Cruise, David Miscavige, and Violence
30:39 Leaving the Sea Org, Exposing Scientology, and Fair Gaming
39:11 Safety in Numbers / The Rise and Fall of Scientology
44:22 Louis Theroux's Documentary
46:08 LGBTQ in Scientology is a Disease
50:04 Critical Thinking and Defense Against Cults - Zábava
The internet is the murderer of Scientology and I’m here for it.
Shows how clueless you truly are . Pitty
It's more like a Hitler Cult. They must believe in Slavery. They don't practice any of Jesus teachings. Not a Religious GODLY Church in any way. They are so rich, i always wondered, what are they really up to? Setting the World up for Satan!
Scientology isn't going anywhere.
And THAT is why they don't let them have access to it.
@@davidnorman5488 Who is them ? I am a scientologist and have access right now. I get to see all the misinformation and repetitive lies over and over again about my religion. I demand tolerance just as you would for your religion.
17 years!! This man is courageous to come forward and warn people of the downfall
Weak man to even get caught up into a cult to begin with. I wouldn’t trust him
@@vikinghammer87 he was born into scientology. So as a weak infant, he should be ashamed! What's wrong with you?
@Vikinghammer87 he was born into it. He didn't join it.
@@vikinghammer87 Rightttt 🤦♀️
When Chris said, "He's a monster", it absolutely hit home. I believe him 100%.
I was approached as a teen . Read the book diabetics checked it out for awhile then chose not to join. About 30 years later I got a call from someone asking me if I was interested in returning. It freaked me out because I couldn't figure out how they got my cellphone number when cell phones weren't available to the general public back then late 70s. It Creeped me out they knew my name and cell number.
I get you. I’m still getting calls and e-mails from them, where they got this info I don’t know I was involved with them in the mid to late 70’s
Had very similar experience with the Mormons. I was baptized quickly, ( I just wanted to be baptized really) then right after they changed up on me pretty quick on many things. So I didn't stay. Then many years and residences later they showed up wanting me to come back. I asked them how they got my address and they wouldn't answer that. This was back before the internet was very advanced. Weird since I was only with them very briefly.
I agree 👍 I left the Mormon church years ago and last weekend I was approached by 2 missionary's at my door. I've moved 3 times since I left the church and I'm wondering how they found me. It's creepy
Loved your mistake :)
Diabetics 😂, love it 👌
I would love to see Leah and Tom go at it together! That’s one debate for the ages.
Imagine that! Thanks for watching Nancy !
Leah would destroy that little short man with a short fuse. He’s a clown.
oh…..
id pay top dollar for that.! 😉
great viewing.. 🍿🍫🍦
I always that that Leah Remini was a crazy bitch, and now I see why she acts that way.
That is why Jesus Christ died on the cross for ourr sins. I cannot live without talking, praying to my Heavenly Father.
Scientology allegedly is banned in Germany...they wouldn't allow movies with scientologists in the theaters.
That’s a wise move in my opinion. I’m against banning any religion but in this case a scam so destructive to families and finances shouldn’t be tolerated. I’m from the us and here they actually have “tax exempt status” which means the government recognizes them as a real religion who doesn’t have to pay taxes. It gave them the legitimacy they wanted and it should have never happened. Be glad you don’t have any corn flower blue buildings popping up.
They had to fight to shoot Valkyrie movie on site. Germany initially said no.
Unfortunately it is not banned in Germany. I live in Berlin and can confirm that there is a Scientology centre here. It's banned in France.
@@cornelisjacobus2083 Scientology is not banned in France. Anyone can Google that
@@michael-bell You're right, I was misinformed. I apologise.
OMG I am deeply shocked to hear what goes on at Scientology. Why are people so gullible? I am so sorry for all the people who are in the system.
For what it’s worth as a woman, Tom Cruise has always given me the creeps in person and in the movies he’s ever been in. To top it off when I saw that stunt on Oprah’s stage jumping over the couch, I thought what type of an idiot is he?
I thought he was good in the movies. Those interviews are weird tho
I was never a fan of Tom Cruise's either. Then I saw his interview with Matt Lauer about psychiatric drugs and psychiatric help and things of that nature and I was like what is this?
Have never liked Tom Cruise. He always gave me the creeps!
@@sbaby-np5hy yrp
@@mimita1157 yeah
As an ex-Scientologist of 7 years, if you want to get an idea of how staff are abused and shouted at in the sea org just listen to the Tom Cruise covid rant. Even the language he uses, it is such a typical example or how sea org members abuse each other. It truly is a special kind of abuse, no one can cut into you with no holds barred like a Scientologist can, It cuts you to the core, I had never experienced such abuse in my life, It was soooo ugly, I have never seen such abuse in my life, it put me into such shock that I couldn't eat without wanting to throw up I had to stuff the food down my mouth this went on for a long time. You are under constant pressure to perform, you have to hand in stats every week and your stats need to keep rising with each week. In the Sea Org they expect you to do the impossible and there is no excuse for anything. You are scarred and on the edge a lot of the time, you start to lose a lot of weight, I started to dissociate and almost had a psychotic break. 100% abusive environment. Don't know how I got through it. I watched as the Ethics Officer yelled and screamed at probably 100-300 Sea org members all standing like little soldiers with their hands behind their backs and taking it all. I see old people stuck in there frail and wary and they can't leave, they have nothing to go home to. There were twelve of us sharing a room at one stage, 3 minute showers. You are controlled from morning to night, security at every entrance, Like 2 hours off on a Saturday, just enough time to go and buy your essentials. You constantly feel like you are not giving enough. I was told if I joined staff I may be earning R5000 which is already a small amount but doable, when I joined it was less round $5 per week, I started to hyperventilate when I saw the actual salary, I had been lied to and guess what, I was seen as aberrated and dramatizing. You are controlled and harassed at every point, they have no qualms with arriving at your premises 10pm to get you to donate money. They will destroy your mental health, your physical health, your career, your family relationships, your relationships. beep beep beep everything, they will destroy. And if you are destroyed then it is all your fault. It has nothing to do with them. I heard either Marc Headly or Mike Rinder (Both Worked at INT base) say that David Miscavige came to them and said, I was just on the phone with Tom (Tom Cruise, his best buddy) and Tom asked if he needed to come over to help me beat you up or something along those lines. And the whole joke about the flag land base is that it is touted as being the "friendliest place on earth". Upon arriving at the Flag Land Base I had security confiscate my electronic devices, hand to hand in my passport too. Of course I only found this out on arrival. They never told me they would take my passport. I look back and think, how is this even legal. They lied to everyone at the GAT II program, they got you to join the program by promising you that you will be training to be a auditor/councillor. These are people from all over the world, then when everyone had arrived in a country that was foreign to them they gathered everyone in a hall about 300-500 and suddenly announced to us that we will not be auditors (so they lied to get you to join and then when you arrive in a foreign country with your passport confiscated and they tell you that they have decided that it is better to make us all course room supervisors) Imagine signing up for an aupair program and when you arrive in the foreign country they tell you oh no we have decided it will be better for you to be a nurse. (same thing) they then proceeded to manipulate making us feel less than if we wanted to leave. Bait and switch. I was told that it would take 8 weeks to get through the program, more like a 6 months to a year. Now you there in this foreign country, with no money of your own and you need to get through your course before they will let you go home, then they release this new e-meter and you now have to buy this meter which cost about R40 000 so you are stuck like a chicken without a head running around to try and borrow other peoples meters with the course supervisor giving you the most scathing comments telling you you are degraded because you can't get your e-meter and finish your course. Immense pressure. One of the things that helped me to wake up was watching an Interview with Opera and Tom Cruise he said something which I knew to be an absolute lie. I lost all respect for him in that moment. While on my Training Program at Flag David Miscavige at our weekly Graduation announces to the public while touting his new program that "all of the trainees have completed their courses, and I mean all of them". He stated it so emphatically and here I was a trainee in a whole class of students who had yet to finish. Outright lies...because that way when people struggle with the course which they inevitably will they will feel like there is something wrong with them and not the program. If you watch the other interview with Opera, the one where he jumps on the couch, watch how he grabs Katie, puts her hands behind her back and pushes her forward. Big Red Flag...I feel so sorry for that woman, she had this beautiful innocent spark before she met him, now she is more reserved. She probably signed a gagging order as part of the divorce agreement.
Thanks for such a thoughtful and detailed response. So sorry to hear about your experience. Hope you stick around on this channel!
@@AndrewGold1 Thank you for exposing them Andrew. Seen three videos so far and I love the quality of information given.
@@AA-lq5pu Ah thank you!!
I’m so sorry you had to go through that. It’s horrible being in a cult. My childhood was in a Christian kind. I hope your life is better and makes sense to you and you can breath and eat and sleep peacefully. I wish you the best that life can offer.
@@charisma-hornum-fries Beautiful.
Great job Shelton , I was part of Scientology for 15 years. I don’t miss it !!!
Wow what a story and this man is incredibly well spoken. So much respect for overcoming this and fighting back
My mother was going through difficult times in her marriage with my dad and had issues of self confidence. They prayed on her using her vulnerability and brainwashed her into signing up to the path to get 'Clear', many very expensive and all consuming courses that kept her away from home at night. With the money loss and her physical and mental absence, the marriage was definitively lost - sadly she was convinced that she was working to save it. I will never forgive them.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Its tragic how they destroy not only individuals but the entire family. Its a cult. A manipulative brainwashing prison, that extorts and poisons. At least more people are aware and speaking out now.. I hope someday this evil disguising itself as love, healing and compassion gets completely dismantled and some type of justice given. And families brought back together.
I hope the rest of your life, will bring you more joy and love then the pain you've already endured. Much love 💜
@@Tiger-Lilly thank you🙏
I have been afraid of what happened to David M’s wife all these years, it is insane to me that no one outside of the cult ever even spoke of her. So glad Nicole and Katie (and Surie) were able to get away from TC and that psychopathic cult environment
Really weird the whole thing. Thanks Cindi
Why hasn’t anyone called in a missing person’s post?!
@@tobyschuring1534 From what I have read they have, and law enforcement says they tracked her down and met with her and she says she wants to be where she is. They refused to confirm or deny if they spoke with her alone though, so it's entirely possible she didn't feel free to say she was where she was against her will due to other scientologists being present.
Edit: A newly released tweet by Leah Remini confirms that the police did meet with Shelly, but that she was in the presence of a scientology attorney and not alone.
@@StreakyBaconMan Thanks!
@@tobyschuring1534 possibly for of fear of reprisals & maybe even going missing too😢
In the early 80th i was living near SF CA as a very naive country 20 year old girl as a mother's helper. On my weekend off i went to the often to the city. I was approached by many people to join all sort of cult and all wanted money. I discussed this with my employer family (both lawyers) and they warned me with fear in their eyes of the danger of all kinds of sects. They saved my life....
I was a member of Scientology for a year and a half taking courses. I had a few roommates who joined the sea org. I never heard from them again. I started to feel the intensity of this cult and didn’t have the money for auditing, I began to get clear thinking which was frowned upon by the organization. I chose to leave at that time thank God.
By far the most detailed description of a true Scientologiest experience and I'm so sorry that anyone would have to go through such a time consuming process and hats off for the hard work of rewiring
Cheers to that. 🥂
Most of us never explore our core beliefs, much less realize they are mostly propaganda and lies. For instance, I once thought that US democracy was a real and functional system aimed at bettering the lives of it’s citizens and others around the world.
I was close to 50 before realizing the entire legislature, courts and executive branches were full of nothing more than people trying to get rich by working in the service of the rich. Essentially, every single one of them has sold their souls. Capitalism has overtaken our democratic values.
Now that’s sad. -I mean the fact that it took me this long to figure that out after being born into a military/federal family and working for the federal government for over 30 years at the time of my realization. I am STILL going through the rewiring process and it is painful.
As a former scientologist - I can say that this explanation is the best I've heard.
Although I'd also have to say that even with the best explanation there is,
Someone who's never been there can't really grasp how the system actually works .
There is an online forum called ESMB (Ex Scientologists Message Board) and on there you'll find people who left the church because of the direction they went after Hubbard died.
And there are others who believe that Hubbard is a con artist but still they got conned into committing 30 yrs of their life to the church.
And there are others who frequent the ESMB who are looking for former members who were top auditors who will do auditing for a lower cost than the church charges.
And there are others who had good experiences, but they got old and realized that the church's promise that someone will never get sick is a false claim.
And other reasons.
Personally - I didn't spend more than maybe $350 there and I just realized that I want to spend my money on other things, so I quit - And scientology kept sending mail to me since the mid 80s - Like a letter every day... So - yuh know ...
But I did learn some things about how the system operates - But not as much as people who've spent decades there.
In the 70's when I was living in the SF Bay Area; Scientologist were arrested for putting rattle snakes in the mail boxes of members who left and called out L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. They are insane, evil people. There is only one true God, the Father who gave us His Son, Jesus Christ the true way to salvation and everlasting life. The Holy Spirit is our comforter that Jesus gave us when He went to Heaven. Praise God in all things great & small, glory to God, Jesus is KING
Amen brother
Amen!!
Read A Course in Miracles. Educate yourself.
The Bible was written by the Illuminati. Duh 🙄
The beginning of Jerry Maguire. The birthday 🎉 party. All the ex’s had negative things to say about him - autobiographical?
Amen. They sound like very sick ppl
I love this guy, he’s hands down your best guest. Intelligent, articulate, easy to listen to, funny, and humble. Also doesn’t plug his content nonstop.
This is NUTS! I knew Scientology was intense but good grief, it is terrifying actually and SO sad!
Bonkers isn't it!!
Watch Leah Remini s show and read her book..
TROUBLEMAKER ...CHILLKMHM
Thank you so much Chris, Iam so glad you're on the road to recovery, and are able to experience a good life after Scientology, you deserve all the true happiness and joy the world can offer!!
Glad you enjoyed this
Every story about this psychotic group that I hear makes me more infuriated that our country allows this to go on.
You said 🧛♂️
And they are tax exempt.. NO .
Freedom of religion.
Guess they don't have any dogs to shoot, otherwise the feds would be all over it.
You need to know why. Robert Clancy put out a 5 hour video about freemasons and it will scare you that you won't sleep. That's what everyone needs to watch.
With a large difference between a religion and a cult being a cult has no redemption through forgiveness and religion does, this conversation I found to be very interesting, information and insightful.
Thanks for letting us have this insight into an extremely occult doctrine system.
Blessings be upon you both
I suppose the Scientologists would say their redemption and forgiveness comes from eventually saving the world. Then again, isn't there always a way to justify one's actions when you have a wealth of story (existing and yet to) to point at and say "see, you just don't understand my motives!"
Occult merely means hidden. Symbology is occult and all religious texts utilise it. Not to say that occultism hasn't been used by nefarious people for nefarious means, it certainly has. The priests of old knew the value of hiding knowledge within symbology and method, of exploiting knowledge over the ignorant.
From my outside perspective (Agnostic) I would say the difference between pseudo-theologies such as Scientology and traditional theologies like Christianity is history. Christianity has been a force in our world for a very long time. It has had some incredibly brutal periods and needless deaths, but there are also countless examples of how it has also had a positive effect. The modern perspective upon charity, selflessness and freedom are rooted in some of the Christian lessons. I'm not a Christian, but I think C.S. Lewis should be read in schools. That's the difference to me. I wouldn't recommend anything from Scientology being taught in schools.
That's a spurious semantic if you ask me. They're all cults..
In my "religion," no one would ever tell me what to do, what to wear, how to think, etc., etc. We are a family but we are our own persons. We have free choice to do what we want. Not all decisions are in your best interests but you are free to do whatever you want.
I've always thought that the film Magnolia with Tom Cruise was disturbing and felt he was playing himself.
Exactly. Weird guy!! Thanks for watching and commenting Sue-Ellen, hope you stick around.
Absolutely!
I would say Collateral was a movie where he played himself. Someone who can be charming and smart and likable, but ultimately when you look into his eyes, there is just nothing there, and he never actually shows real emotion or himself. I just watched the film American Psycho, and Christian Bale had said years ago that when he went to develop the character who is a sociopath but can pretend to be normal, but ultimately (in the character’s own words) he’s illusory, you can shake my hand and feel flesh and look at me and see someone but ultimately he’s just not there… and he modeled Patrick Bateman after Tom Cruise.
That's very interesting.
I honestly think Bale is just as bad if not worse than Cruise.
@@kiki29073 Weird comment to make with no examples. We have lots of evidence on Cruise however.
@@kiki29073 you’re probably a practicing Scientologist.
Poor Tom who's he ever killed ?
Brilliant interview! Chris is so concise and interesting to listen to. I’ve never heard him before. He is so well spoken in a manner that is easy to follow. Great job Andrew!
Andrew your channel really is Gold!! Just found it recently, and you cover the best topics that need revealing..
Loved hearing Chris story, thought I'd caught up on all the testifiers, but his is new to me .
He might have known my half sister and her family, who were in it from mid 70s till Ron died mid 80s.
In the early 80s I searched for my birth family, (given up for adoption at my birth)..
and the first relation I met was my half sister, N.R., who is one year older, who stayed with 'our mother ', each of us had different fathers who did Not stay to bring us up or even meet us..
I flew to L.A. to meet her, in about 84, and her husband n 2 sons, were living at the Scientology hotel, surprise!. We spent 2 days together, so I got to witness the ambience and ways of upbringing thier young boys. They were all so happy I found them. I'm happy she left that Church shortly after we met.
That hotel reminded me of a fancy mental hospital, tbh...
Anyhow, then in another branch of my adoptive family I was told of a cousin I hung with as a child in the 60s, just joined up in like early 2000s. It's a mind controlled business allright!Wierd but normal I suppose growing up in the Hollywood world, as we all did.
I so less regret running away at 16, mortally terrified of even getting close to greater los Angeles, and I dissapeared for 6 years...
giving up my planned music career in that industry..
It's so sad what's been done to humanity thru these Groups.
I ve also heard stories of L. Ron being c.i.a. connected..
So all this drama well planned and carried out with just a pure evil agenda.
Along with other toppies in other so called (made up) churches....
Channels like this do inspire hope that this civilization can Go Clear...as we learn to be independent thinkers and creators, without the fear that binds us to trust charlatans and mind control experiments.☀️
My half sister got out in the 80s but still has family members who married or stayed in It, and it's no easy task to have to keep dealing with the fall out of having been in It during such formative years.
Chris tells great stories, I'm glad utube offered me this video today💖
Thank you for calling it a scam, because that is what it really is.
I wrote a really long post about my friend and how Scientology sucked him in in his 20s. The internet ate it. For my friend it was a terrible experience. He had to be de-programmed.
He's recovered his life and has a wife and child. But Scientology took his mental health and destroyed him for a long time.
I tell everyone I meet how destructive a cult Scientology is and not ever to get involved with them.
Tom Cruz only plays himself with every movie he's in. He has no talent at all. I refuse to support him or the cult of Scientology by seeing his movies. Thank you for speaking out against Scientology.
Fun Fact: Christian Bale patterned his portrayal of fictional serial k*ller Patrick Bateman from American Psycho after Tom Cruise.
How do you know this?
@@johnncarney He told Rolling stone magazine.
No surprise there...
@@charisselinnell-morton4137 Hahahahahaha that is scary... About TC I mean. Thanks for the reply.
TC is best when he’s type-cast.
i applaud you for coming out against this Cult. after seeing what they did to Leah for telling the truth about scientology it show how much power and control they have. you have great Courage.
Tom Cruise plays the same one character over and over in every movie. He's not very talented at all, actually.
Yeah he seems to only have one style of acting
I always wondered why Hollywood was forcing Tom down our throats, even when he made us gag
I wondered the same thing, his acting sucks and he is butt ugly.
Andrew -- Fantastic job with this! I'm a fan of Chris and now a fan of yours as well. Your questions and comments were great. Great to see emperor Tom Cruise exposed for the sociopath that he is.
Ha that Tom cruise is nuts. A real menace. Thanks so much for the kind words Jonathan. Looking forward to reading more from you !!
@@AndrewGold1 "He's a bit of a dick." (re: Tom Cruise). Great quote, man. I've complimented you before on your interviewing skills -- i.e. you actually listen, and when you do talk, it's always something salient (I've wanted to use that word for years, thanks for the opportunity). But I don't recall if I ever pointed out that you keep choosing awesome guests! Even obscure ones like Jon Atack, etc. The only person I can think of at the moment that you haven't had on, is "The Unbreakable Miss Lovely", Paulette Cooper. I don't want to sound sexist or anything, but if that's her on the book cover, holy shit !! There's not another female author on the PLANET who looks that good. Tony did such a great job with the title of that book. Sorry to ramble, but I'm far from immune to beauty. If you have had her on, please let me know. Otherwise, I hope you'll consider it as a suggestion.
@@chris55529 have you seen mike rinder's book cover? ;) i'll look her up!
Yup
When I left home at the age of 17, my dad said to me, " Don't take any wooden nickles." This has stood me in good stead. He rarely said anything so I took it to heart. lol I am saddened to think what these twisted organizations have done to innocent children and vulnerable, fragile people. It's criminal!
Yes - I was Mormon for 50 years. It isn’t quite as odd as Scientology - but has the characteristics of a cult, none the less. The oddities of Mormonism is kept hush hush. Thank goodness for the internet & the ability of people to read REAL history of the pathetic Joseph Smith & Brigham Young. Scam also - beware.😳
Sounds like what they are trying to doing across the world now! Horrible
wooden nickles?😞⁉
Except now a lot of parents are all for rushing them to get drugs & operations that will Permanently sterilize them, damaged for life. Bringing kids to the public s ex shows at pride events, drag story hour and shows will folded Bill's to put into the thongs worn by men. Over s exualizing children. This is where we're at now. The cult of today's left. More destructive than scientology is/was.
That is a saying that I haven't heard in awhile.
I didn’t think I would watch more than 5 minutes of this but this story is compelling and watched it to the end. Very interesting
God bless and protect this man. He needs all the help he can get after these statements 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Good for you for escaping a Cult. It's difficult to overcome the emotional intelligence of one's parents. Kudos to you.
If I had been Tom Cruise's niece, I'd have gone to live far away from Scientology, and not bothered myself grovelling to Tom or anyone else. I'd have got on with my life and considered myself very lucky to be away from them all.
She was not able to get away. She was put in another family of the same cult so she had no way to leave. 😢
She was a teenager and denied access to her parents. Honestly, that can be devastating to a young woman. Doubtless she accepted the blame for an overreaction to her rebelliousness. It all sounds horrific.
When I was thinking about joining Scientology, one of the first things that church or however you want to think of it, said to me is , "We don't want you to talk to your family, girlfriend, boyfriend, etc...I high tailed it out of there so fast! It seems I dodged a mental bullet
Mr. Shelton is such a very well spoken gentleman. I like the way he articulates and sums things up in clear and concise wording. Glad he came out of that mess more the wiser. Good post, Andrew!
Shelton is more well spoken than the host. The host is somewhat difficult to listen to. But at least there are no excruciating UHS, and UMS.
I can't begin to understand the courage it takes to break away from Scientology.
Excellent guest.
Love Chris Shelton he's defo in my club of favourite EX scientologists along with Mike Rinder , Leah R , Aaron Smith.
So glad these guys got out and are now helping others escape the thought prison that is Scientology ☮❤🫂
Oh I tried Mike and Leah. Will try again another time. Thanks April, glad you enjoyed and hope you stay on the channel!
@@AndrewGold1 I'm on it like a scotch bonnet ! ❤ing the channel. I followed over from Mr Attwood 👍
@@ajalvin2012 Yessss that's what I like to hear, thanks April!!!
Chris Shelton thank you for your honesty, thoroughly appreciate the depth of your sharing! D🏴
I'm so proud of being part of the 2007 anonymous raids on Scientology. It was such an important turning point, not to mention the chance to meet so many wonderful intelligent, kind hearted ❤ people. It's nostalgia to me now.
Amazing!
I was a scientologist. I saw the documentary. I told a scientokogist. I saw the documentary. She told me im probably try to destroy their computers. Its like their all messed up.
@@richardsaga7559 What? Watching a documentary about Scientology means you're going to mess up their computers. What a bunch of paranoid freaks. 😆
@@skepticusmaximus184 The books did help me a lot. Too bad it didn't all work out.
@@richardsaga7559 madness, Richard
Thanks for this interview, Chris is a great person to explain how it is. Every time I can't stop myself to see the similar things in my former cult Jehovah's witnesses...
Thank you Natasha ! I hope you get a chance to continue watching this channel. :)
@@AndrewGold1 , I will. You proved to me and many others by interviewing Kim Silvio, that the truth, the reality is important to you. This is why I subscribed back then. Thank 😊 You !!!
@@natashapeeters988 Aw thanks NP!!!
JWs are nothing at all like Scientology. JWs are Christians, Scientology isn't really a religion at all. The irony of confirmation bias here is lost on many who commented in this thread. So many assumptions that something is wrong with them and that they are unhappy---just because some people don't like Scientology. Why? Every social group has its rules. Both Tom Cruise and John Travolta are very successful people who say the Scientology teachings helped them become so, and most people who criticize them don't personally know them or anything about them other than rumors they hear from other people. Just because judgmental folks such as yourself call yourselves 'Ex' this doesn't give you any more rights to publicly criticize the decisions of others to stay loyal to their belief system...just as you felt you had when you decided to forsake your own.
If you really were 'Ex' then you have moved on after you left. Hating on Scientology, or JW (or whatever) and continuing to go on an on about it on the internet means that you chose to remain angry and claim to be a victim to rationalize a choice you made that you still have doubts about. I seriously doubt that Tom Cruise or John Travolta or any of the members of your former church care even a little about the opinions and comments here. You said "I can't stop myself..." but you really should. Life is short, enjoy it.
Amazing isn't it? Jehovah witnesses and Scientology are like twins. So close that it's difficult to tell the difference. Maybe the biggest difference is, Jehovah witnesses have door knockers and Scientology doesn't. If anyone ever gets tired of Scientology just move to Jehovah witnesses. You will feel right at home.
Andrew Gold, you’re a star! I know I’m repeating myself here, but you’re so empathetic, sympathetic and respectful to every person you interview!
And yes, I’m Jewish too.
You should be a very proud Jew! 🌟🌟🌟
Great discussion with a very credible guest. Smart and saavy guy. I wish him well.
Travolta’s son had Kawasaki Disease. I think that moreover he was pretty far on the autism spectrum as well. Supposedly he was in the bathtub when they were in their Bahama resort, he was having seizures, his nurse was out of the room momentarily, he had a seizure, hit his head on the faucet, and drowned. That was the story at that time.
What I find more worrying is how his wife, Kelly Preston, just DIED. No word before of what she suffered from, the death was announced maybe weeks after the event. It’s always struck me as the conspiracy theory that in many powerful organizations, at some point a family member “sacrifice” is demanded. That may sound ridiculous, but when you hear things over the years, it lends credence to the idea.
Thank you for the interesting comment. Yes it does appear all a bit weird.
Supposedly, Kelly succumbed to breast cancer.
Excellent comment 🙏🏽
Kelly Preston died of cancer didn't she?
I think that is the illuminati that requires sacrifice
Yes, undoing the beliefs is a big thing initially, undoing the learned behaviour takes a lot longer, years…… but worth the efforts….. thank you both for saying so much of what I experienced as an ex JW
Thank you B for watching and commenting. Have a good day!
I DID 'SCIENTOLOGY' IN '74 .. I WAS 'SEARCHING' ... BOY DID I GO DOWN THE WRONG PATH! A CULT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE
Such a well spoken individual. Enjoyed this very informative accurate with what else I’ve heard members relate .
I find Tom Cruise's smile to be repellant. Always have. Even before I knew he was a scientologist.
Great interview Andrew. I'm glad Chris Shelton was able to escape Scientology! May the Lord Jesus Christ Bless and keep both of you. 😇✝️❤️
The church is a people who believe in the Lord Jesus, not a building.
What a great discussion. I didn’t want it to end.
Travolta fell in love actress Diana Hyland,18 years his senior. She introduced him to Scientology. She died of breast cancer at 41 he was 23. Cruise was introduced to Scientology by the much older actress, Mimi Rogers.
Sounds like groomers.
If people are adults when they meet and have a relationship, that's not grooming. Nether of the men you spoke of were under age. They could buy a beer, join the army and go to adult prison if they were convicted of a crime. Please save the groomer claims for people who harm children.
Andrew and Chris this is one of the best interviews I've ever seen.. I have some experience in a cult like religion and I got hurt because of it.. I'm 50yrs old and I've only removed my blinkers in the last year in relation to MSM and the Woke movement and more. Now I am waking up. Thank you so much for highlighting this subject matter, its scary and fascinating at the same time 💜💜
Religion as a whole has been a force for tremendous harm but also for tremendous good in the world too. Scientology has only caused harm with very little good
I don't think Tom Cruise is objectively especially good looking at all. He is an actually regular looking man on the small side who had his teeth fixed. The reason for his success is his energy and his own unconditional belief that he is attractive and special. I think his narcissism convinces people of all these things. His stardom is due to his extreme narcissism, not looks or talent.
~Thank you so much for helping people to understand the truth....about this cult.
I have never been a fan of Tom Cruise and criticized his acting skills. Many people were upset by that. He always sounded like he reading from a script.
Haha you’re right
Tom Cruise's acting limit is his character in Top Gun, Maverick is not exactly an intense in depth personality to play. Basicly I think he played himself, he basicly plays the brain dead stunted hero in nearly every film. If you took his looks away he wouldn't have even got a commercial offered to him. It astounds me people still excuse him for his involvement in this abuse & you can't tell me for a second he doesn't know. In my book he is truely evil, the smile & laugh is just so insane, he is not in his right mind .
Yes he does , that's because he's an actor ffs.
@@covidenslavement8918 ha
@@AndrewGold1 not the best actor but along way from being the worst . Weird though even for Hollywood
I subscribe to Chris’s channel. He is truly a survivor. He came a point where he had had enough…..enough is enough. His story is GREAT. The Nora Wright sad story but, had me laughing. Bless her and she needs to come back and have a repeat. She is so witty. I think her sense of humor helped.
Glad you enjoyed ! He really is great. :)
I've been fascinated by Scientology for over 20 years and have been on a lot of message boards with former Scienos. By every account, I've heard Travolta is almost a victim in a way, he has by some accounts wanted to leave the church at certain points even! Everyone I've heard about who talked about him say he's likely the nicest Celebrity scieno as well.
Truth. I pray ppl stop turning a blind eye. Speak up re injustice
Thank you for this inside view. My sister is living on the Freewinds... When she visits (very rear), she is always accompanied with a collegue. Mostly she visits Scientologies HQ in Brussels. Last time, my parents had a 24h notice she would visit, they saw her a few hours, nobody could get free from their job on such short notice.
We still hope that someday, she will leave that cult, even knowing she is married with someone on that boat.
I hope so too !
It reminds me of my daughter that got pulled into the transgender cult. She always has people around her that keep us from talking sense to her.
Hello Robert, have you ever visited the Freewinds? I am sure your sister works hard, but if you visit her on the Freewinds, you will enjoy it, And find out for yourself what it is all about. Just an idea.
When you are born into a cult I can see why getting out is ..... rare, difficult, overwhelming and many more things.
But getting into a cult when you were growing up in "the real world" is beyond me.
You must have a deep void inside that you want to fill ....
Such individuals often often did grow up in a cult: their families. Many people who were abused/neglected in narcissistic family systems grow up to be vulnerable to cults that mimic the dynamics of their childhood homes.
Sometimes, people who are disillusioned with their past life path, or who were betrayed, may fall for cults due to the need for community and structure.
The human mind isn't as strong as you assume.
@@scottmattern482 Apparently not 🥴
Back in the day such people would have been heavily involved with their local church, but now that religion(mostly a way to make a bigger tribe without blood ties) is discredited and not in any more, tribal apes are still looking for somewhere to belong, and in come cults to profit off of that need.
Any man made religion is a cult. Those who say no and disagree, are in the cult. Hence, brainwashed.
This discussion/interview helps drag the Scientology Cult into the light; I also find Tom Cruise to be “Creepy”. Excellent Interview very informative. ☮️
Just so glad Chris you were able to escape that lunacy!!!
I have to say I've not really been that enamored with cruise he was just someone to watch when a film was on, but finding out what he did to his nieces is shocking if I was that child who I assume is grown I would run as fast as I could away from that despicable family that was child abuse and her parents are just a bad as cruise you protect kids from these kind of people what a nightmare.....
good points, thanks suzanne
Agreed. Grateful Kate left.
When Risky Business hit, we were so entertained by Cruise! It's a good movie, and it was a good break. Lots of ppl became fans bc of it.
He was a magnet for a cult like that.
@@castielsgranny4308 he absolutely was, good point.
What did he do to his niece’s?
I've never really given much thought to Tom Cruise or Scientology but saying he's a monster and just from what I've learned about Scientology something just clicked for me. The total and complete brain washing is just unbelievable to me and the people who are trapped in this cult that so much want to be out but can't, those are the people I feel for the most. Such a horrible place.
Perhaps Tom Cruise is brainwashed. Scientology may be bad but their critics are pretty bad themselves. The members are human beings.
The thing is that any issues you have, you are made to feel and believe it is your fault, so leaving the organization is not really the answer, the answer is to fix yourself in their manipulative system. Really a mind f#ck.
L. Ron Hubbard has admitted he made Scientology up to make money. He literally just invented a religion.
I've got news for ya. They're all made up. That's why it's called mythology.
Boy one could spend millions of years trying to heal the passed lives you never remember.or the very least, millions of dollars in this life chasing the passed.. wonder how much they charge to look towards the future , and build protection from future failed or stressed lives?? what a multi verse .. Brilliantly shrewd concept.
Sending you all my love I was in a cult for seven years and that was enough and my ex husband was abusive as well so like a double cult it was mental gymnastics to figure it all out xxx
Wow such a survivor. How you doing now? X
Wow, Lizzie I’m so sorry. How on earth did you cope, and eventually leave them both?
You are a strong person, I hope you’re happy in your life now.
Sending love and light 💖💖💖
Love the banter between you two. Made me laugh out loud a few times. Good stuff. 😊
Good to see Chris here. Been following Chris since the beginning
A very courageous and intelligent man, thanks for sharing
Really interesting observation from Chris and yourself regarding am I having a bad time because of experiences in Scientology and not having a previous normal to return to. Great interview.
Annika ! I'm so glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for the kind words. Did you hear the one from two weeks ago with other former scientologist Jon Atack? He's also so, so smart!
Great interview! Thank you guys 😘
Thanks Me Myself! Loved talking to Chris!
Best of luck to you both. You're both on Amazing Journeys and thank you so much for the work you're doing helping people see helping people get loose supporting people after they do. Keep it up bravo bravo bravo!
That “More Cowbell” T shirt is AWESOME!
In some ways it's clever of Scientology to make John Travolta and Tom Cruise to reveal intimate and private details about themselves, in the name of therapy thereby having dirt on them.
I grew up in Edinburgh. Scientology had a place in town in the 1970s -80s, it was small and would have a booth offering a kind of questionnaire to help you. As a group of four 16 yr old schoolgirls we had great fun with the American manning the booth. We reported back to our school house teacher, the teachers went to have a look. They, to their credit, researched it, and told us it was an American cult like the Moonies and to avoid it. So we did. We knew about the Moonies too. There was information disseminated before the internet….
1988 I was 17, in Dundee, got conned into buying a book from a scientology girl in the city centre. So glad I never got around to reading it!
Imagine that! A teacher doing due diligence to keep the students safe ❤
Delighted to see that your teacher checked it out & gave you sound advice!
This needs to be shared and really listened to as an American
Please do! Thanks for watching J Krak, stick around!
America has been a breeding ground for destructive religious movements for a very long time. Over 200 years, at the least.
Im going bonkers listening to this video and what all these kids and members have 2 go thru. Its mind blowing, the effect it has on kids especially, who dont get 2 c their parents often or experience their luv. Emotions have 2 b suppressed, now im beginning to understand why there r so many shooting incidents taking place and violence.
I agree,the T.C. Covid rant was bizarre and controlling!
I've always hated scientology. Let me explain. I started reading compulsively between 8-10 years old. By the time I was in 7th/8th grade I was saving lunch money for used books. My parents had an extensive library and encouraged all of us to be critical thinkers and read adult books. So by high school I was reading around 4 books/week. What this means it's I was exposed to Hubbard, his writing and and critiques is his writing by my 20's. It never made sense to me how a "religion" could be based on sci-fi books and writings. Mostly it never made sense how anyone could, or would, voluntarily entrap themselves in a system that wanted their worst instead of best.
LRH was initiated into various occult groups this is known,whether he was 'possessed' or giving a 'gift' he thought was golden the reaults are the same,a Curse on the world ..i cannot explain further,go read and see
I always hated scientology. Let me explain now.
I never read anything about it. One day, somebody asked me, have you ever heard about scientology, I said no.
This person started to explain to me what he knew about it.
He thought it was the most ridiculous thing.
I agreed with him about being ridiculous, then I told him I had seen worst. Have you ever heard about mormonism? He said no. I explained the little I knew about it.
We never agreed with which one was the most ridiculous cult.
I believe mormonism is the most stupid cult. He thinks scientology won on stupidity. Who knows?
Looks like we had the same upbringing. I came to the same conclusion.
As an Orthodox Christian I'm pretty POed that you compared me to a *scientologist.*
A friend of mine joined Landmark Forum. Sounds very similar. She even brought me to one of the intro meetings.
They would not let me sit next to a normy. They seated us: member, non-member, member, non-member, so we were surrounded by believers, and had no one to talk to who would not fully agree with whatever the 'teacher' was saying.
They told she shouldn't hang out with people who were not in the forum, and just made her feel super low, and never let her sleep. They would call at all hours to make sure she was signed up for the next big things, and fully paid, and was bringing new people, etc.
I still feel sorry for her.
Well spoken👍thanks for sharing 👍👍
Thank goodness this man is telling everyone the truth. Thank God for this man I admire his wisdom, guts and tenacity beautiful may God have mercy on your soul and keep you safe.
About Tom Creep : I am 48 and i can say in retrospect that the type character he mostly played was the go getter alpha male.
Indeed, charming, cold, toxic, sexist, self centered, facade building etc... nowadays these types of men are slowly being seen for what most of them are (anti social or narcissistic) but back in the 80s it was portrayed as it was the best thing on Earth to be an Alpha. Tom Creep kinda set the bad example.
That was the best description of the potentiality of critical thinking! The keyword here is Thinking objectively
Absolutely thanks Doyle
Agree and that is totally plausible. I have a 2 step sons with epilepsy one being autistic. I can see the happening and older mainstream stepson was
Off medication for almost a year and had
A seizure in front of me. Thank goodness he fell
Like a tree against a big soft poofy 90’s recliner. If he was driving or in a bathroom alone - who knows
What would happen.
Thankyou for speaking up be safe
Ok so I'm new. Where did you buy your more cowbell shirt ? Omg !!! I love Will Ferrell in that skit with Christopher Walken. I definitely need more cowbell !!! Thanks in advance ❤❤❤😅😅😅
Wow, you are very brave and independent of forceful beliefs to speak out on this. I admire you for this so much! ❤
If every negative thing that happens to a person is their fault unconditionally then how does DM rationalize all the negative press ,lawsuits,accusations " with proof" and Bad Karma he has flowing his way . I'd love to hear him explain that for a good laugh .😆
I was never a scientologist. Don't personally know any. I've followed this cult for about 20 years. I'm a native Californian .
Tony your a hero. People like me need to be educated.
Brave guy, who knew Ned Flanders had such a crazy backstory
Thank you for this interview with Chris. I stumbled onto your page a few days ago (exorcism documentary) and am hooked. Can't wait to get into the different topics you cover.
Chris is an incredibly intelligent person. I've been watching him for a few years casually. Excellent resource and very level headed. He recently graduated University with a Masters in Psycology. Kind of funny knowing Scientology is so against psyciatry/psychology.
What a wonderful way to spend an hour!
Thank you so much for saying so. Hope you keep enjoying !
Possibly your best interview.
Stay brave and crazy.
This was a great interview!
Wow! That bit about tom's niece being excommunicated from the family... I wonder where he was in his relationship w Katie/Suri when this went down. Katie saved that girl's life by removing her from tom's life