HUGE: Is This The End for John Travolta & Scientology?
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Do you think John is on his way out? Or already blown? Hit the like, and please share on socials!
You had me at banging against the refrigerator 🤣🤣🤣
I have some questions:
Mike Rinder was head of OSA during the Masterson assaults, what did he know about it?
Leah Remini endorses Best Friends Animal Society which is the Process Church of the Final Judgement that's an offshoot of Scientology, why does she do this?
The Mark Fisher human trafficking website can be dealt with later.
Thanks for your consideration.
He's keeping his head down to not rock the family boat.
Praying he's done with Scientology.
Maybe John can start up a group of qualifying high advise/ judgment continuing improvements on the scientology issues. Fix it as we go. More morality ordered in new living requirements of the rights of life. Both of you I think would benefit as well being in that group.
My Uncle and his wife were among the first prospective Scientologists. Basically, L. Ron Hubbard gathered a bunch of people telling them about this life changing organization he was building, and asked them if they wanted to learn more about it. Te people who agreed, were taken out to sea on his yacht, and used as free labor as his ship's crew while he told them stories about absolute nonsense, and the religion he was going to build based upon that nonsense. After hearing Hubbard's plot, there were a number of people who were not convinced that starting a new religion based on completely fabricated garbage was in their best interest, and asked to go back to port so they could disembark. They were told, "No". At that point, these people became prisoners, and slaves doing free labor on the yacht. The next day, my Uncle and some of the others told Hubbard, and the few guards he'd brought with them, that if they don't return to port immediately, it will become a kill-or-be-killed situation, and the survivors will have a lot of explaining to do. So, Hubbard takes the yacht back to port. Not sure why nobody filed charges against Hubbard and his accomplices. Perhaps he paid them all off? I wouldn't have taken the money. His ass would be charged with kidnapping, unlawful imprisonment, and whatever forced labor laws would apply.
I’m guessing he threatened them and they were just happy to be off the ship with their lives.
Thank you for sharing this information. Leah Remini should learn about it.
Were you in the movie too? lol
This was the original Sea Org, they went to sea with Hubbard. Eventually there were three ships being used. He had lots of willing volunteers for it. The only problem was when people decided they wanted to leave the boats without Hubbard or Mary Sue’s say so.
It was all done so Hubbard could avoid subpoenas, court judgements and the IRS.
I'm glad that when I was approached as a fresh faced 19 year old I rejected them outright. They waved the you'll become mega rich & famous carrot under my nose. I rejected them outright, then they tried to PRESSURE me into attending one session. That was it for me. Offering me something is one thing. But to pressure me? No way get stuffed & get lost!
In my personal opinion I believe Scientology was indirectly culpable in the deaths of both John’s wife Kelly and his son Jet. I don’t believe either of them received proper treatment for their health issues. Kelly’s cancer was undoubtedly taking a slew of vitamins and doing the purification rundown instead of legitimate treatments. As far as Jet was concerned he was autistic and was denied the proper medication for his disorder. He also had seizure disorder which is usually treated with medication like Phenobarbital or Depecoat, medication that was certainly not allowed.
The church? Not the parents? While John was probably out preoccupied bobbing a knob and Kelly was looking in the mirror at herself, their son was needlessly dying. Seizures hurt. Big time. He should have been charged with some type of manslaughter. Watching your kid die right in front of you, painfully suffering, is twisted.
Autism isn't a medication disorder. There are comorbid disorders that are associated with it, and those disorders are often treated with medication/therapy.
@@jayceecee8651 Yes, thanks for clarifying, but I was strictly speaking about seizure disorder which is helped by various medications. Jet had a seizure, fell , hit his head and died. He didn’t die from autism but from lack of proper care to mitigate seizures.
I thought the samething when his wife passed she didnt get the care she should of.
As far as I have read and checked out many years ago …it was Kelly that got John involved with this cult
Both Tom and John know well how children get abused by Scientology. I won’t watch anything with them in it because of that. The children who are abused are poor while the wealthy children get treated wonderfully. It’s all greed and an evil existence.
In the case of Lisa Marie Presley, she was abused by them and hated them so she acted out. Then when she did Priscilla would have them “discipline” her! It was a cycle! She hated the church, but since her death Riley has made it to where the church receives the money from EPE at the end of the Presley bloodline.
Yes i don't support any hollywood elites involved in Scientology. Only i don't appreciate like or support any false information rumors ect, it's no secret that Scientology is a cult and dangerous for all those who don't have a voice. However making up rumors stories without any facts to support the stories will only make them loose credibility. I know for a fact that Kelly Preston was under medical care for cancer.
The environment that is Hollywood is evil.
Other religions damage children too.
Not always deliberately, but either way, is indefensible.
I no longer listen to Phillip Adams (broadcaster/interviewer) after his making light of the effects of a Catholic upbringing on many women’s lives - a misrepresentative number of whom go into sex work.
The presentation of the Virgin Mary as a role model for girls is disastrous for many.
Ditto with Jesus’ effect on some boys. (Sacrificing oneself.)
Children should not be our playthings.
Well, nothing changes does it. The wealthy abusing the disadvantaged in society. They just seem to think of them as for the use of and even disposable!
Rumors flew about Tom Cruise being gay after he starred in "Interview With A Vampire". Starred Brad Pitt too. Brad Pitt hated working with Tom Cruise so much, he tried getting out of making the movie most the way through it. Brad said after the movie was over, he'd never work with Tom Cruise again, and hasn't.
Cruise is gay. Everyone in Hollyweird knows it.
Tom cruise has always came off like he is better than anyone else
Tom sucks. He expects people to jump at his every whim!
Didn't he grab the hand of Princess Katherine of Great Britain, while going up a staurway?
@desilanni8144 yes he did. When he let go, she immediately transferred her clutch purse into that hand, so he couldn't repeat
I like John over Tom any day of the week. John is not only likeable but comes across as a human being.
John needs to abandon scientology, it only serves as a hindrance to him and his family. He deserves better
I agree 💯, he's a grown man with a mind of his own just like us.
I had the pleasure of working on a movie with John Travolta. He is such a sweetheart. He treated the cast and crew very well. No one has a bad word to say about him. What a treasure of a man
I believe that! I am friends with his eldest brother Joey. He is such a sweetheart too! I know all about their parents & how they were raised. These are good people!! I've asked Joey about John & he being a scientologist. Joey said it works for John. That was all he said. But I think they're truly such a good nice family.
That’s great that he is nice but not too nice when he didn’t give the real proper care for Jet and his wife cause he chosen the cult’s rules so for that I have no respect for him:(
It apparently didn’t work to well for John he lost his wife & son when
Perhaps medical help could have helped them or kept them from dying!! 💕💕🐝
I genuinely feel bad for the guy. A lot of tragedy.
JT’s wife was said to be the bigger supporter of Scientology. As such, to blame him for her death is crazy. One can make their own medical decisions and she did and died. They had the means to get out of sciencetogy, to choose medical treatment. If she “allowed” herself to take an alternatoce route for cancer, thats on her (though thats assuming people who take “traditional” treatments for cancer dont die-which is not true).
I feel really bad for John. He was someone I grew up watching as a kid in various movies. I really do hope he gets out of there someday.
Yes, he was always so likeable - right from the Vinnie Barbarino get go.
My first experience of John Travolta was on the sit com “Welcome Back Kotter” in which he played Vincent “Vinnie” Barbarino. He was one of my favorite characters on this show. It’s also where he got his big break that eventually led to his movie career.
He’s been in a lot of good movies I.e. “Basic”, “Look Who’s Talking”, etc. I could really care less if he is bi-sexual or straight. He seems like a good person and that’s what matters to me the most.
JT is a sexual deviant.
Just when I thought scientology had nothing going for it, the first 3 minutes I liked what heard
Don’t worship false idols like celebrities. They r all phony liars.
I’ll never understand how John and Kelly could have stayed in after the death of their son Jet. Why didn’t their OT abilities enable them to cure him of his autism and seizure disorder? How did he die from a seizure in the middle of the night with them in the next room? How did they not sense this with the promises that the grade chart to total freedom has clearly written down? And when Kelly was diagnosed with advanced cancer - didn’t they wonder how on earth an OT of the highest level could “pull it in”? Why couldn’t she just cure herself by being able to “be at cause over matter, energy, space and time” (MEST)? And then John’s best friend, Kirstie Alley suddenly dies from cancer! Why couldn’t she diagnose herself early and cure it? Or not get it at all? I hope John is finally waking up to the lies and deceit. After all these years, what a hard thing to have to admit to, though.
Scientology does the same thing to people that narcissists do - subjects you to abuse but then tells you it's your fault it happened. Bad things happen to you cos you "pulled it in". You don't have the promised OT powers because you were duplicitous & didn't do the coursework properly/honestly - you fudged your way through and are committing a fraud on other scientologists; you're not a real OT. It's ALL because you're an imperfect scientologist. Hell, while Travolta was still in its web, just who he was provided explanation for why things went wrong for him - and even for his wife and son, who were at best associating with someone low on the tone scale.
Successful manipulative entities rely on the way good people are susceptible to taking on unfounded guilt and responsibility, and have whole constructs built around gaslighting them into doing so. CoS even supercharges this with auditing & KR reports - focusing on transgressions, forcing you to hand them ever more here's-why-you're-still-bad ammunition (even if from a past life) & God knows if you keep any to yourself (one of the biggest sins of all) you'll be hyperaware of what you're hiding... Is there a known SP that you smiled at last week, even though you knew it was wrong? And why do you keep falling into bad habits, even though you know better? What about those KRs you should have filed but didn't (due to the same compassion/good person tendencies CoS is leveraging to gaslight you in the first place)? You eventually found a trick that helps to "make the needle float" - but you know it was a trick. It wasn't the right way. You're a fake. You've never been clear. You just pretended things to get out of that interrogation room again. You might pretend to the world that everything is good, but secretly, you know of your flaws... But this is a very human tendency. Cults just exploit it.
I think Jason Beghe noted in his "exit" interview that the most effective prison is one created by your own mind.
If you can finally get free of the gaslighting & the brainwashing, an objective view tells you how ridiculous it is, but even then, it can take a while to really shake off that sense that you were at least part of the problem. How many times is it clear to you that a friend is taking responsibility for something that isn't their fault? (full well knowing that you would still fight those feelings if _you_ were the one in their shoes). Now imagine if, in a social structure, instead of getting a chorus of "You know that's not your fault, right?" you were getting the opposite. Experiments show that, in a room of "plants" voting against them, a subject loses confidence in their conclusions about the most simple of things (like "which line is longer?"). Selling a "religion" where imperfection leads to bad things, perfection is achievable, and it's your fault that you're not - that' just picking up an existing faulty brain track and monetizing it.
It's extra insidious because, when tragic things happen to you, the religion is, at best, relying on a, "Who is the secret SP in your life that is sabotaging you" witch hunt, taking aim at all non- or "bad" scientologists for disconnection, perpetuating the bubble of delusion & disconnecting you from anyone who might have gently been trying to plant seeds of doubt; at worst, it's relying on a mindset of "Okay, on my worst days, I really felt like I might be a failure of a human being - and what's happening to me now proves I was right".
(Sorry if your "I'll never understand..." comment was more rhetorical, LOL. I just had thoughts. Absolutely with you on the hope he is finally waking up to it... It is such a horrible, destructive system of belief to exist within for him, for the reasons just mentioned and more. He needs to be out of it).
Don't all religious people know their religion is a load of shonky BS when it comes to medical needs?
If you understand even a tiny bit of what being in a cult means, you'd understand how and why. It's sad. No question. But, it's real and people fall for it every day. 😔
As a father, John must feel tremendous guilt for the death of his son. If he doesn’t, he has no soul. Did Scientology kill it?
So true
I remember over thirty years ago seeing a poster with an image of Kirsty Ally declaring, Scientology saved my life, three times. I remember thinking it can;t be that good if it took three times.
🤣
Didn't she just die of Cancer?
She got out of if and warned people against it.
Same as Jehovah’s Witnesses. If you leave you lose all your friends and family who are in. You’re shunned until you return.
You can't date outside of your church and no friends they mentor who you date if seen with someone outside of the church and someone from the church see you are called on the carpet
Mormons are like that, too.
Pathetic, move on now, lol. Subject is Scientology.
Exactly. I was disfellowshipped in 1979. My family and friends were ordered to never speak to me again.
I was disfellowshipped in 1980. Though it sucked at the time, it turned out very well for me.
Is it possible JT is still writing fat checks to COS or IAS and just living his life so they leave him alone?
That's my guess.
Yes, I thought about that
This definitely makes the most sense to me. He would also get to keep his friends and family that still belong to the cult.
Guess we will never know. People are black mailed for yrs
Vinnie Barbarino would have just told Miscavige "up your nose with a rubber hose" and been done with the whole mess. We knew how to handle things back in the 70s
having been on the receiving end of scientologists telling me that i bring anything bad "down on" myself, and knowing how hurtful that can be, I hope that everyone walks out on them.
My heart ❤️ goes out to you. Let all the ignorant people say what they will, but cults can't be organized and kept afloat by "dumb" "lost" people who can't benefit them in some way. I despise when people say, "oh, these idiots fell for this schpeel". It takes brains to decide to outsmart the IRS, and to be so litigious. No cult can be ruled by a bunch of boobs! I'm hoping that you have been able to heal, and have plenty of ❤️ love in your orbit! Love ❤️ from a proud PTS/SP in Michigan!
How is that any different from any other cult/religion?! They are all just as disgusting except for one thing, the bigger older few have taken far more lives than scientology could ever dream of but nobody says anything about them.
To me it is so obvious that Tom Cruise and David Miscavage are lovers and gay as hell. I absolutely love that John Travolta is bisexual and gay. I have many gay friends and I love and support them all. I will never ever watch anything with Tom Cruise in it. He is the epitomy of a " depressive personality type". He thinks that he is all that, but he is not. Miscavage and Cruise are p.o.s. and the biggest liars not only to themselves but to the world as well... By the way David where is your Wife? I know that you had her "Silenced" by one of your hench men because you didn't have the balls to do it Loser.
My dad got into scientology for a quick minute back in the 80's. Said it was a pyramid scheme and he let it go.
I just saw John Travolta
at the Sammy Hagar concert in downtown Clearwater two weeks ago. In our VIP section. He was looking good!
Weird Al should do a parody of Living Color's Cult of Personality and call it the Cult of Scientology. I would love to hear it.
AI is your ticket.
This is brilliant 👏.
Well, the Cult of Personality covers Hubbard and Miscavige pretty accurately.
I think this discussion has made me realize something. I cannot stand Tom Cruise, I won’t even watch a movie if he’s in it. He’s just always seemed deeply mean and ugly. I blamed it on him being a Scientologist.
I love John Travolta. I really tried not to, and felt super bad about that. I’m not proud of judging a person by their “religion”.
But I think the truth is, Cruise is just an awful person, and it oozes out of him.
Travolta is different, he has a kindness to him.
This is a yay me moment. My family is sick of me disliking Tom cruise based only on Scientology. So thank you for that.
From Risky Business on, I disliked Tom Cruise. Total love himself personality.
I'm not too keen on John Travolta being a scientiologist. Then again, I see some good in him or maybe I just feel bad for him losing his wife, his son, and his ex-gf. I hope he leaves Scientology, so he can grieve in peace.
But Tom Cruise gives me the creeps. Wide smile, but nothing underneath those eyes. That's why Christian Bale took inspiration from him for American Psycho. Not just that, but there's rumors of Tom Cruise being "fishlover" 🤮
There is a mean spiritedness in Tom Cruise
Tom Cruise has absolutely played a gay/bisexual character, Lestat in Interview with the Vampire.
The last 15 years of my teaching career was spent working in alternate education programs. These programs were designed to work with students who had been expelled because of disruptive behaviours or students who had removed themselves from the classroom environment by staying at home, falling out.
The supervising authority in my school district was a scientologist. A scientologist who believed that classifications of conditions such as ADHD, or ADD, or OCD, or autistic or asperger where ”imaginary conditions”. The administrator blocked all funding for these programs.
It’s taken a decade to build up the programs again.
Hundreds of students needing help have been denied that help and hundreds of school classes have felt the impact.
@MrBcuzbcuz That's painful to read. I went to an alternative high school. It saved me. Regular high school was either so boring i wanted to scream, or didn't make any sense to me. 30 years later, what do I discover? Both my son and I are autistic.
I hope you n your students are doing well. It's awful how this cult treats people, especially when vulnerable or disabled.
I don’t understand how it’s legal for him to do that.
Well, there was a time when these terms weren't considered, and people came out just fine. Not too long ago actually.
True, many of these terms were introduced not for the benefit of the child but for the parents. It gave the parents a ‘legitimate’ excuse to be able to explain why their children were thick.
It’s very strange to me that so many Scientologists work in the entertainment industry which is welcoming to the LGBTQ+ society and Scientologists openly rebuff them. It must be extremely hard for them to work together. I could not work with someone who openly thought I was beneath them.
You have no idea what you’re talking about at all
Do you work with Jews? They think everyone is beneath them
Exposure, marketing, nothing to deep, bang for buck
It's ALL about taking people away from god.
They have big money that’s why
A - Aron is here !
What is this from.
Aaron, the guest, on his own channel starts with a funny clip and says " A-Aron is here "@@johnBonVentura
@reubenspark5319 A sketch from Key and Peele where a sub teacher pronounces all his students names wrong!
Thank you Aaron, for saying JT is bisexual. It is so irritating to for people to call him gay when obviously he isn't. People cannot get their minds around anything but an either/or mentality. I am just irritated with JT because if he's such a nice guy, I don't know how he could align himself with an organization so cruel to so many people.
You know who else believes in an "either or" scenario???? Christians and Muslims. That's 2.2 BILLION Christians, and 1.6 BILLION Muslims. So,,,FOUR BILLION people on this planet, feel the same way about the immorality of homosexuality... So,,, there are more people on this planet, that don't feel the same way as YOU.....
didnt want to be outed officially with his own words. blackmail.
These said the wife was heavily into it, the driving force for them being part of it. Maybe he will more and more pull away.
Tom Cruise starred in a movie with Brad Pitt, “Interview with a Vampire” there were homosexual undertones throughout the movie.
I have to agree that it is blackmail by taking away your friends and family.
I think it was Diana Hyland that got John Travolta into Scientology, she later died of breast cancer. John truly loved her
I remember her. She was truly beautiful. She was much older than he but it seemed a true love story.
I always thought so too. Mimi Rogers got Tom into it.
Actually, it was Joan Prather, a former actress, who gave John a book on Dianetics who got him interested in this cult.
Enlightening interview. I used to work in radio, most stations I worked for would frequently receive unsolicited crateloads of L. Ron books which we were requested to use as 'competition prizes' for listeners.
Other than the odd use as a doorstop..they went straight to trash. So naive of them to imagine that any U.K. radio station would risk its reputation (and possibly its licence) by being involved with such garbage.
I have no idea of the cost to L.Ron and his chums, but it must have been quite a lot.
Keep it up. Well done.
I’ve got nothing good to say about Scientology but compared to Islam it’s Buttercups, sunshine and all things nice.
EXACTLY
Scientology was full of hippies in the 70's, nothing like today.
JT is a great actor and the passing of his wife who was the main person in the cult, can now finally be free to be who he wants to be and not have anything to do with the cult anymore ❤
His first love got him involved in scientology, she also passed from cancer, this is when he was making his Saturday night fever movies.
I can't help but wonder, is his loyalty to that cult because of his loyalty to his first love, she was also a actress, you can Google johns first love, it'll come up.
Andrew: “You had me at banged against the refrigerator!” Best line ever! Lmfao!!
Hail Zenu. Proud SP since 1977. L Ron was a brilliant con man and a horrible scifi writer.
😂😂😂
“You had me at banged against the refrigerator” Absolutely priceless! 😂
I love when Aaron is on with you Andrew! You two are gold together! Thanks to both of you for all your hard work teaching us about the horrors of Scientology! j🇨🇦
Literally one is gold 😉
I don't understand how scientology is a legal organisation....
like Disney...
John travolta found Scientology because of his girlfriend dying in his arms and his mother shortly after, both from breast cancer. He credited Scientology with helping him heal from those deaths.
John was introduced to Scientology by his girlfriend at the time, Joanie Prather. When his girlfriend Diana Hyland died, he was already in Scientology.
@@lovesalaska1329Yes, I remember that, and his girlfriend was quite a bit older than him.
They said Kelly Preston was the one who was most serious about it
Yes. John had a great but short relationship with who he's called the love of his life, Diana Hyland in the 70s. She passed from breast cancer 🎀 and I heard he found the cult through a friend after she passed. He just seems like the person both Aaron and Mike say he is...a nice guy. Not all members are bad people. Quite the opposite...the public faces of Scientology are really the not so famous people that 'body route' people into the organization. But I must say looking at the picture of Bodhi and Jenna Elfman at the IAS event...they look MUCH LESS than warm. Evil is closer...
He’s experienced a lot of tragedy in his life.
It is def blackmail that members know exactly how extremely evil the cult is to people who dare to leave. Travolta leaving would get out. And people on the inside, including Travolta, May not entirelyunderstand that times have changed out here. It was different to be outed 30 years ago in Hollywood. That ruined careers. Now it would likely not, but people are still scared.
It’s crazy isn’t it? Most people and fans would be happy that John was just living his life who he is. Everyone loves John Travolta. I hope he is out of Scientology but he doesn’t really owe any of us an explanation as to whether he is or not. Just hope he’s happy after the tragedy he has endured.
@@carolynm9638 I really hope he either is out or getting out. Living inside the cult must be miserable. He's too old for that now. His wife is gone, his children will follow him I bet. Get them all out and live the rest of their lives outside the craziness. If he never is able to talk about it out of fear or what ever is going on, then at least he can have the rest of his life away from them.
I am thrilled that Travolta is not painted as some horrible villain in this story. I am glad that he is portrayed to be a kind but misguided person, instead of some vicious cult member. That is refreshing
I've been following this "Ex-Scientology" movement for many years. I haven't ever seen JT portrayed as being anything but a kindhearted guy... Tom Cruise, however....
Yeah I’ve always heard not so flattering things about Cruise. Which is fine because I personally can’t stand him. Travolta, though, always been a fan
He’s in Florida on his airplane subdivision. Along with others who’ve ended up in FAL since main headquarters here.
How nuts are you?? John Travolta was a visitor to Epstein's pedo island...
John Travolta is incredibly talented well respected . Who apart from a Scientologist really cares what they are anyone else says about him !
I worked indirectly for John. He is a loving caring genuine person. I could tell a few stories but since I respect him as a person. Never. I feel sorry for him. The losss of his son and wife. It's tragic. I hope he finds a way to leave that cult. Tom C is nasty. John, not even
❤
U don’t know him. Ur think u do. Ur blinded by celebrity.
Agree. Tom is a horrible person. Treats people badly. Demands people to serve him at all hours! John is a sweet heart. But is in a cult. Needs to wake up. God is the only way. Not man’s law!
You worked indirectly for him. How do you even know him at all. You know nothing about him except what you imagine.
@chrystalblue7170 I spent lots of time in his and later Kelly's company and flew with him on his airplane, so spare me your negativity please. Bitter much?
As a man , just leave. If you cant, you aren't a man.
Wouldn't the term "quiet quitting" fit if John just isn't proactively participating but hasn't made a public issue of it?
How wife dies from cancer. His closest friend in Scientology died from cancer aka Kirsty Alley. Two major loves of his life that weren’t Scientologists died from cancer one being Olivia Newton-John. He needs to finally live his truth at 70 something years old. His kids adore him and basically rely on him and visa versa. They’re not gonna disconnect from him.
And his girlfriend Diane Hyland died from Brest cancer in 1977 they were engaged
I grew up seeing him in grease to me he was the king of cool.
Tom cruise was also cool when I grew up then his ego got out of hand .
Both guys are talented but loosing loved ones because of it weird belifes have cost him dearly straight or gay he's an amazing actor give me JT over tc any day as an actor it sad how these people get used and abused by this cult
This may have been mentioned already, but Lestat and Louis de Pointe du Lac were SUPPOSED to be in love in "Interview With the Vampire". As I recall, Cruise refused to let that aspect into the film.
The characters in Interview were never stated to be in love. There wise ambiguity because sexuality is more ephemeral between beings in her supernatural universe. One could read into it either way pending on your particular inclinations, desires, personal insights… That’s part of it was so great about her box. The reader was forced to examine them selves, as well as the characters in the book.
Really miss Anne Rice, love the way she wrote, you should check out Cry to Heaven, or
The Witching Hour. R.I.P. Anne
No. Louis didn't love Lestat at all. Years and years later he became fond of him but no. This is a TV show thing. Louis and Claudia however...which was ...grossly implied. Louis and Armand...also. Lestat he kept trying to escape.
@@user-ml9bw2ib5vCame here to say the same but you did it better. 😁
@@tiffanyl4829In the book they were erotically obsessed with each other- or at least, Louis was with Lestat and Lestat used this to keep him subjugated. How much that translated into actual sex I can’t remember, but narrator Louis was pretty frank about his erotic fascination with Lestat.
They toned it down in the movie because it came out close enough to the peak of the AIDS epidemic ( and the resulting collective right-wing gay panic) for an actor to worry about playing openly gay being a career- killer. But even toned down, people who fussed about homoerotic imagery certainly did fuss about IWAV.
Source- I’m old enough to remember Oprah herself having a protective prayer circle in the theater lobby at the premiere.
A derogatory word for Italians was WOP, which meant "without papers", so inferring they were illegal.
Aaron is right though that, in Australia, the other W word is used for Italians (and Greeks). It's not necessarily offensive here, mostly due to it being reclaimed culturally.
@@Jess-on-the-Tube Australians inherited the word 'wog' in the derogatory sense from the English who had the saying 'the wogs begin at Calais', meaning that anyone who was not British was racially inferior.
@@pollyparrot9447 indeed. Just pointing out the current state of things and that 'wog' is definitely used to refer to Italians in modern Oz (predominantly Italians & Greeks), just in case the OP potentially thought A-aron was confusing his reference re: Italians in Australia with WOP... (Maybe the OP wasn't, and was just making an additional observation - just wanted to confirm A-aron was right about that :) ).
Isn’t John like WAY, WAY too WEALTHY for Scientology to mess with? Wouldn’t they want to let John go nicely to keep up appearances? He’s already given them, I’m sure, millions of money. Scientology loses making John’s life miserable if he wants to leave. And….can’t John “Leave” without really leaving? John leaves w/o saying he left and David just holds off the dogs. It would be like a gentleman’s agreement.
Andrew, You are a great listener! Some interviewers constantly interrupt their guests.
I really like the chemistry between you two. An easy, humorous flow that you both seem to enjoy. That arslicus stuff was golden! Hahaha.
On the other hand Aaron, many, many years ago, when I spent the majority of my career working contract in legal services, I very much remember sitting and reading some very nasty stuff being done to one of the first people to leave, criticize and spill secrets of Scientology. I knew little about the group back then but remember well how utterly shocked at what I was reading in files on the computer. The stunts being pulled, the lies, the set-ups, all the attempts to ruin the man's life -- it was beyond despicable. And scared me enough to never mention what I'd read to anyone other than immediate family members. I'm old now and in questionable health so I don't care but as a young adult ... SMH
I really believe it that mr travolta has separated from scientology but gives them money.
This was absolutely fascinating. It's amazing to know how much we actually know about these people and the cult.
I love John Travolta from way back in the Welcome Back Kotter days ❤️❤️❤️❤️ he’s 1,000% better looking than Tom ever could hope to be!!
The thing I don’t get is everybody says in Scientology if you’re sick or something bad happens to you it’s your fault. So how is it not John’s wife fault that she got cancer and died. How do they justify that?
“What did you do to pull that in?”
The justification, I guess, would be that tracking down the thing that “pulled it in” is the solution to driving it back out again. The problem is, someone involved in a community that holds such beliefs might avoid getting an actual diagnosis because of the total lack of real support they know they can expect, and the stigma they will get for “ pulling it in”. So by the time they have no choice but to get treatment, it’s too late.
( My grandfather’s people were Christian Scientists .)
I think there should be a Save John campaign like the one created for Brittany Spears!
It’s beyond me why anybody would be a member of Scientology anyway. Kudos to John for living his life the way he wants to.. as long as he’s not hurting other people by doing that.
@DrChrisgray-ql5ud I noticed you have the exact same message to another woman on this thread. Don’t contact me again either you’re a bot or a scammer and I’m not interested.
Tom played Lestat in interview with a vampire. He was clearly a bisexual character
The Vampires in 'Interview with the Vampire' chose same sex partners. Ann Rice indicated that the characters were 'partners'.
I was told by a then Scientologist, that Travolta wanted to get out back in the 90s. He was shown pictures of himself with a man and told that if he stayed in, paid the money, and didn't badmouth the cult, the pictures would not come out.
I say show the pictures and get out john!!! so you slept with a man and did some freaky stuff, big deal!!!!!
And now, if the pictures did surface, who cares? John is a fine actor and his private life is his own. I’m so sorry he’s been involved in this cult for so long. Let’s face it, all religions are cults, it’s all a way of controlling the masses. It doesn’t matter how far back in civilisations you go, religion = power.
The pictures came out anyway oh well
@@petertullemansyeah but they came out at a time when most people really didn’t care about someone’s sexuality, plus by then Travolta had mountains of money to burn. If those pictures of him being sexually intimate with a man had came out back in the 80s and 90s his career would’ve went straight down the toilet.
Id love to hear crazy toms recorded auditing
I would bring the beer and edibles to this party 🥳!
Travolta has been accused of sexual assault multiple times, certainly not carefree live and let live behavior.
All accusers have been male I believe.
But by who? Whose to say that was not a set up from his cult friends?
Since she was the true believer, what did Kelly think about John being bisexual?
That is a great question!
Tom Cruise is vicious. Nicole and the last ex wife know. But closer to home; he tried to get a handicap employee of Paramount fired when he accidentally bumped into him. This is circa late 1980s 90's.
I wonder if one day he'll just pull a Laura Prepon and say 'I've been out of Scientology for 5 years.' I really hope he does get out-- I worked in Hollywood, I know people who have worked several times with him, and I've never heard anyone say anything against him. I really do hope he gets out and has a happy rest of his life, since so much of his life has been tragedy over the last couple of decades.
I hope John is doing well. No one should let other people run their lives.
✨Thank you again for your video! 😊
They don't want the person they want their money!👍
You two are great together.
Love your chats. You compliment each other.
Thank you both xxx 💝
Lol, yes….AND complement each other.👍😉
I have a family member who worked for SAG in HR and she swore up and down that Tom Cruise was Gay. He and his then wife Nicole Kidman were in the process of adopting their first child. He is an actor but some things can’t be covered entirely.
Having watched all of Leah Remini’s show about Scientology, I find this very interesting. This subject, I especially find informative. I’m glad I found you channel.
If Kelly was so devout why did she stay with John and have 3 children with him?
...this question drives me nuts, too. The hypocrisy is unreal when it comes to Kelly. John's star power eclipsed hers so I guess that this was more important than principle and character
Because they're each other's beard
Artificial insemination.
You guys think?
@@mariagabrielle6383 that wouldn’t have occurred to me but I would walk away rather than wait to be outed
When A A-Ron laughs, all the flowers in the land turn their faces toward the sun and everything is going to be okay. 🌞 Okay, y’all had me at banging against the refrigerator. I laughed so hard that it brought tears to my eyes 😅.
Hollywood is SO messed up!
Who will be the last scientologist, and how ridiculous that will be with no one else to admire their medals, etc?
Every time he got "caught" being himself, he had to pay financially, by
undergoing auditing again. I don't think anyone has paid out as much as
John. John, we love you just the way you are !
exactly, like if you like to sleep with women and men just do it. BE YOURSELF TRAVOLTA
John has been on my list for many years. He’s an amazing man.
In Oz, calling Italians wogs is most definitely a racial slur. Your 💯 % correct.
In the U.S. describing Italians as WOPS is a slur.
@@msjannd4 that language is outdated
you're half right - it's more a cultural swipe these days
We had a very popular and very funny tv show by Greeks in the 80s, maybe 90s, called Wogs At Work. It was hilarious. That was back in the days in Australia where we could all really take the p*ss out of each other and our own nationalities and nobody really got offended. Australia is such a multicultural country. These days people can be too much like snowflakes. They get offended at everything. Those of us born in the 1960s had the best growing up years with none of the straight laced stuff prior, and none of the 'woke' snowflake bullshit of now. I find people are far too precious these days. I do not tolerate cruelty though of any culture etc.
Loved this chat, so interesting!
WOG is a naval term used to denote someone that has not crossed the equator on a ship. Once you have crossed the equator and endured a ceremonial hazing you have the title of shellback
That was excellent. “Very well done” interview between the two of you
& I truly believe JT is loved enough that he could survive any reputation outing! 🙏
Was Tom Cruise a Gay Vampire in the Anne Rice film?
One theroy I have that is not touched on much in regards to John T. Is that his son who passed away (Jett) had autism. And with autism, oftrn times, they have seizures. And they need medication. Not just for seizures but for mood regulation, sleep, etc. ( I know this bc my son has severe autism and have been in this autism world for 18 years. )
So I wonder if his beliefs in scientology persuaded him to not give his son medications? And after he passed away, John then resented scientology for this. For his buying into this belief and John may think it contributed to his son's death. - the. lack of meds
He never admitted, that I can recall, that his son was autistic. That blindness can be fatal.
@@ighdesignsall of the stories at the time of Jett's untimely death wrote about the autism
You shouldn’t wonder. You should just google. Jett had been on anti seizure medications like depakote. They stopped working.
Jett Travolta was diagnosed with Kawasaki Disease. He took an anti-seizure drug called Depakote that was ultimately stopped on medical advice.
It was common knowledge in many different media sources that Jett had autism, & John, on Oprah at some point, did actually acknowledge his son had autism. Seizure disorders are seen in some people w/ autism, but seizures can have multiple sources. I know Jett died after having a seizure & hitting his head, but as for specifics about the basis for Jett’s seizures, I don’t recall hearing anything about that.
I’ll say it again! Your shared interviews are just about my favorite thing I see on either one of your channels! Keep it up guys, love both your channels and your content!
In the early 90's everyone knew about the rumours of Tom Cruise hiring male escorts to party in the NYC scene
How about Interview With a Vampire?
Literal blackmail for money versus blackmail with emotional torture is the same thing in the outcome but different in the strategy ..wow.. still crazy
I wish people would leave John Travolta. Let him be with whoever he wants to be. He seems like such a kind and caring guy. We need more people like him who aren't out to get people or hurt people.
SMH
Um, ok, great logic
Those pamplets and mail drops are never gonna stop man.
I always thought John Travolta would leave after the death of his son Jett ,because Kelly and leaders wouldn't allow medical attention he needed ,which was reported caused or at least contributed to Jett's death ,and then Kelly not receiving cancer treatment, just extremely sad did anyone could have that much mind control over another human being
I always heard that the special Medal Of Freedom was created specifically for Cruise & his ego. If more people are getting it since, doesn't that kind of dilute the distinct honor he was given? Never heard they also gave it to Travolta.
*My ex boyfriend who worked with Tom Cruise swears he’s NOT gay. Ironically I suspect my ex has gay tendencies and that is the very reason I broke up with him. THUS HE WOULD KNOW!*
I never believed Tom Cruise was gay. He’s just a weirdo that’s all. And an emotional deadbeat dad.
He also played a gay vampire in Interview with the Vampire
Right!! John would get so much love if he came out
I love John Travolta! I feel so sad for him for all of his losses of his family. Regardless of his sexual preferences, I still love him for all he has brought to us as his family audience! He is a human like the rest us. Vulnerable like all of us. I say, leave him alone, and let him be. Honestly! Live and let live. Does all this really matter, in regards to John or any other person?
Loved the discussion this evening, guys. Thank you. It was so enlightening!
Why does Scientology hold people hostage at Scientology facilities, such as Gilman Hot Springs and other places? They have to escape or be rescued.......
Well that recorded space for Tom Cruises was Scientology blackmail against Tom Cruise if needed
My mom used to work in the guardian's office Celebrity Center Hollywood..she used to pick him up from the airport back in 1976. I went to apple school with travoltas niece in..my mom used to drop us off all the time
People truly don't know if JT is bisexual .
No, you're right. He may at this point simply be gay. About 10 years ago there was a very clear photo of him kissing a guy on the steps of a private plane, and rumors both before and after that photo have left hints. No shame in being anything except one's own true self, but in Scientology it would appear that there's not only shame but outright hatred for same-sex attraction.
He was kissing his son,no?
@@boathousejoed1126 If his son was a grown red-headed man who can fly a plane, yes. However, we both know that it was not his son.
I love seeing you guys together. I watch both of your channels dare I say, “religiously” 😮😅 - I would love to see more! If John wants to leave I wish him the best in living his life freely and openly.
i saw a commercial of John Travolta dancing and he was having a great time