This guy is the most honest headphone reviewer on youtube, he doesn't babble about the product like other reviewers. instead, he involves us in his conclusions by letting us listen to the product with him. but other reviewers give you their conclusions and expect us to trust them and trust their hearing capabilities.
yeah he is a really good reviewer but there are plenty other who also make very good and often critical reviews. In the you have to test it yourself, even if you his review was negative it could be a very good headphone
@@upendrasharma9137 Of course you can't rely on youtube videos for the exact sound reproduction in reality but i never said that they are harsh so i don't know what you're on about.
This review was stunning - the difference between the HiFiMan Sundara and the Sennheiser hd600 and especiallt to the original recording was breathtaking. Well reviewed - well done !!!
Your sound demos are awesome. There is a lot that frequency response graphs won't tell you that actual sound demos can. Please keep up this really nice work, Mr. Oluv!
After watching many of your videos I opted for the hd58x and they have been felt modded plus I have changes the pads to leather sheepskin earpads which has replenished the bass with the removal of the foams. Out of all your videos I will say to me the hd58x is practically the closest that any of your recordings have been to the original recording. My 58x is nice and clear with plenty of punchy bass and currently using with the zen dac. After hearing the disappointing results from some of these high cost Flagship headphones I think il stick with my hd58x for some time yet as I only had them 2nd of January this year anyhow. I love these headphones they are very very underated for how they perform. I will add out of the box the were veiled so there is so much benefit to the mod but thank you for your video demos you have just saved me alot of money with your honesty and drive to help people learn and understand what they need to know to make a conscious decision on how they spend their hard earned money.
This is the best reference audio test I've ever come across wow. definitely made me realize I need. some thicker pads for my 400i's to get a nice wide spread
Or just put some foam inside the earcups. Foam actually fits nicely if you cut it the right shape, no need for glue. They become much more comfortable on the ears, and less harshness. Love this mod
I very much enjoy the methods you use to try to convey the differences between headphones. It comes across pretty well. I am able to hear the harshness you spoke about with the sundara and the hd600 sounded really good as usual to me. My experience has been the past 15 years about when I first bought the Sennheiser HD 595. I still have them and the HD 600 ireland version. They really are high tier. The only thing that bothers me is the initial clamping force. Even the HD 595 are really good as they give you a taste of what hifi has to offer. I currently just ordered the akg k702, senn hd 660 s, new revision hd 600. I'm probably going to keep the hd 600 if they still sound anything like the original ireland version. The mini dsp is very useful for me to come somewhat close to hearing the relative differences. Glad to have you part of the community.
I am French and I use google translate. wow do you still have the HD595? Hi. Before my HD595 died, I bought an AKG K701 which was a great disappointment (however hailed by the press and the forums) I had to patch up my HD595 and I bought a FOCAL Spirit Pro which was also a great disappointment. I would be curious to hear your feedback on your purchases: I just ordered akg k702, senn hd 660 s, new revision hd 600
@@VENOM-vq3ju yes the akg k702 version disappointed me a lot. I mean, for 138 on sale, maybe it's ok, but anything more, no. The hd595 were always great and I stilled used then until recently getting the hd600 new version again
Glad you now own a DX3 Pro. Fairly decent DAC/Amp for the price and ability to drive most headphones properly. Haters will now stop saying your reviews are invalid because made with your iPhone.
Great review. I have many headphones including a pair 650's. I was thinking of purchasing the Sandara to add to my collection. But having heard that trebble peak in the demo, have decided against it. So good job. Your reviews are the best I've seen as it gives the audiences a chance to have a chance to listen to heasdphone comparisons and although by it'ts very nature we won't be getting a fully accurate sound representation, its the next best thing and gives people at least an idea as to whats going on.
Hi Oluv. This is off the current subject but wanted you to know that I finally received your signature EarFun Earbuds. Great job! I love them. I heard the highs, mids and a nice mix of bass. I am pleased and happy to have the Oluv special edition.
Unfortunately it is not 100% what I had planned. There is lots of treble missing compared to my original tuning. It sounds better with “treble boost” preset on iOS but still not quite there.
Good reviews my friend. I don't know if I have some Sundara's very different from yours, but my experience pretty much agrees with other reviewers, the high frequencies are clean and clear, the mids seem adequate to me, the bass "punchy" and the sub frequencies almost absent. Personally, I found the Sundara's to be a very pleasant and more transparent experience than some studio headphones gave me. I know well that this is something that varies from person to person, that's the difficult thing about giving an opinion on headphones. My version of the Sundara is 2020, I don't know if anything changed there. However, the first few days I used them the experience seemed very different from the one I have now (from a little bitter to excellent). They are headphones that I had to get used to and maybe that's where the point is. At least they sound very different from how they sound in your video, without all that harshness. They are currently my favorite and have made me very curious about more expensive models. At least I can no longer go back to the M50x's which I also loved.
"I know well that this is something that varies from person to person, that's the difficult thing about giving an opinion on headphones." It can vary, but clearly (as the video demonstrates) the Sundara's are not intended for reference. They are like most consumer audio products where the marketers make the engineers pick and poke at the frequency spectrum to make things sound "pleasing/louder, etc" and unique (ala Bose, etc). Transparency for consumers is not the same as it is for professionals, whereas professionals regard transparency as 'having no character', consumer's tend to associate that term with "clarity" (treble boost). "the first few days I used them the experience seemed very different from the one I have now (from a little bitter to excellent)" There is an assumption that head phones need to be broken in. That may be slightly true. The real phenomena, however, is that you break YOURSELF in (your ears). So it's deceptive advertising. The human brain will attempt to smooth out the inconsistencies over time, with decent but not 100% success. So when you switch to a different pair of head phones, you think yours are better (because your brain adapted to them). Now add confirmation bias and it's easy to say, the Sundara's are the bomb. How to snap yourself out of the delusion (confirmation bias and brain/ear-break in), is to listen to a pair of high quality studio reference monitors for about a good hour. Then try a few different head phones. My money says you'll throw the Sundaras in the trash, for reference purposes that is.
I must say that your sound demos sound really close to how the headphones sound on your head, i have the HD660S myself which is not the same as the HD600 of course but i have listened to the 600 though and it is great. The Sundara sounds much brighter than the HD600 and is definetly coloured sounding
I have hd600 and he4xx. My experience with he4xx was same as you are describing for sundara. After changing pads to HM5 angled sound is much more acceptable. Still love my hd600.
For the love of God, please do more headphone reviews. I wasn't really sure about the harshness until the original track start playing...My lord it was freaking harsh and far off. Though I'd like to suggest headphones to review... DT1990 pro, Night Hawk black carbon and a cheap Sivga 006
@@DARKERanimexxXxx Hum. I beg to differ. Pronounced details obtained by few dB boosted over the ideal 0db curve (Mostly in high-mids/low-highs) is not the ideal way IMHO.
@@vintageflanker7096 The harshness in the Sundaras comes from a fairly uneven treble frecuency response ranging from +- 5dB around reference, they are indeed VERY resolving but the unevenness just isn't worth it, is so marked i it would take a lot of EQ to fix (even more than a pair of LCD 2c's). The DT's have a MASSIVE 8-9-10k treble peak like 10dB above reference but the rest of the treble is more even than Sundaras.
The Audezes are a lot darker than this. The LCD 2 Classic is awesome for someone like me who's also treble sensitive. It's pretty dark up top but still has lots of detail and the bass slams HARD
Did... did you film this with mic capsules inside your ears?! What an utter Thadd Mad Ladd :o Thank you for taking the time to do this incredible setup, the Sundara there sounds too harsh on my earbuds, but i deff look forward to viewing more of your videos 😸
Judging headphone quality based on listening through it through youtube through a recording through another mic is not the most ideal way to judge a pair on headphones, to put it mildly.
Revisiting this vid. When you elevated the sundara it sounded to me like an hifiman xs. I could clearly hear what you were trying to say. I would definitely pick the xs over the sundara even though when i listened to the sundara irl i liked it.
I came to the same conclusion. Thank you for your consistent honesty! I used to have the original HE-400 with an Asgard 2. Sounded great. Only problem was the HE-400's murderous treble. Same as the Sundara. Seems Dr. Fang Bian is doing this on purpose. Only perfecting the treble for the 1,000+ USD headphones. The HD 600/650 sound much more natural and pleasing. I am currently running HD 58X Jubilee + Liquid Spark + E10K.
I have Sundara for about a year now and they are absolutely not harsh, I really enjoy them with my ifi ican se, by the way they sound warmer after 3 months of use. You guys can watch innerfidelity’s review and Rtings as well to see what i mean, They really do sound 8.5 out of ten.
Same I actually have 600's as well and I'm not sure what he means if anything I find mids a bit forward on sundara's more so than reviews mentioned but harsh in the highs not even close
Very interesting review! Thank you! metal571 said that we can consider the Audeze LCD2 Classic an upgrade to the the HD 600. I wonder if you would like to confirm this. After a review, of course. Keep up the good work!
My memory said HD 600... but you might be right because he uses as a reference a HD 6xx wich is a 650 actually. So..it is probable that he compared to a 650. I did not manage to find the moment in his videos when he makes the exact statement.
I am new to audio equipment and was wonder what amp and dac are you using in your sundra review? I would also like to know where I can listen to binaural audio music? Thank you for your help.
Yeah, this is definitely the old version Sundara, Hifiman did change the pads up recently (beginning of 2020) and perhaps it was a silent revision. Because I do not hear the Sundara like this at all. The newer version measures much better in the 4-10kHz region, and sounds much closer to the HD600 to my ears.
The timbre is metallic and plasticky on my Sundara as well. But overall it is nicely balanced for me. I prefer bright headphones, and the sundara is not even that bright. dt1990 was brighter to me.
Keep in mind that the EARS rig specifically has an artifact at around 4khz that shows a bit of a peak (for almost every headphone I've measured). Also was the recording relative the the HD650? Because that's not at all what the Sundara sounds like to me.
Thank you very much. I wanted to ask you many people say the Hifiman Sundara are better than the 660s have you ever compared them? I don't like headphones like you hard they also annoy me and make my ears hurt. Do you recommend Sennheiser ? I would like to take the 660s but I can't prove anything right now
Hi! You guys might help me here. I bought the Sundarars and a Ifi Zen dac. I wanted to plug my headphones to the balanced output so I bought an extra 3.5mm female to 4.4mm male jack adaptater. The problem is that it got worse, so much worse... there was a buzz sound and the music got all messed up. Si I send back my adaptater thinking it had an issue... So my question is : is the Sundara stock cable balanced ? Do I just have to get a working 3.5mm to 4.4mm adaptater to use the Ifi zen dac balanced output? Thanks. Hope someone find this message
Something I noticed while watching your video is that the Sundara translates overly harsh or just brighter from some of my sound outputs (headphones, speakers, IEMs). Difficult to make a judgement based on this.
Waaaay toooooo bright for my taste. A good reason to take many you tube reviewers with caution. Not because they're bad but because their hearing is different from mine. I guess yours Oluv comes the closest so it seems I can take your opinions as relevant to me. I'm listening through a pair of Hifiman's he400i (the ones before the 2019's) which interestingly aren't bright by any standards
ich habe den AKG K 290 Surround....das ist schon ein mega alter Kopfhörer aber immer noch der beste was damals auf dem Markt kam....der klingt auch in stereo wahnsinnig gut....super neutral....da hörst du von der original Aufnahme und dem Kopfhörer 0(NULL) Unterschied. ich liebe den AKG 😍😍da kann auch heute noch nicht senheisser oder sonst eine andere Marke daran was ändern....wäre cool wenn du den vielleicht irgendwo auftreiben könntest und ebenfalls so testen....du wirst sehr überrascht sein :-)
I really like your reviews and the tech you use to make them! But I must say, honestly I think there must have been something wrong with the Sundara you used here. I’ve been trying out the Sennheiser HD600 and Hifiman Sundara, if you like the one or the other is a matter of taste, but I must say that there is not such big difference between them. They have different characteristics but how this is recorded in the review is not, far from, how I felt trying them out. I love the Sennheiser sound, but I also really liked the Hifiman sound as well. Sorry that you did not get the experience I had. So for everyone looking at this video, try them out in reality before you make a final decision if you did consider Hifiman in the first place, and if you go for a Sennheiser, you will be very happy with that as well :)
T. Nicklasson I completely agree with you. I listened to the same tracks and my Sundara's sounded nothing like his recording, it's not even close to being realistic.
@@LukeMtech55 The only thing this could mean is that Hifiman is cheapening their products after reviews have rolled out. Computer peripheral manufactures have been known to do this here and there. Very deceptive and dishonest. My (soon to be returned) Sundara's sound like the video.
Every reviewer mentions the treble on the Sundara Some like it, some don't. But it must be there, similar to the graphs. Personal perception is the key.
I totally agree with this review. These are all hype. I will never trust another CZcams review (except for this channel) or online review. There seems to be a comb filtering effect with a sharp boost in the 4/5 kHz range (just like the video, perhaps to offset the comb filtering) that is quite piercing. And my Sundara's have less bass than my AKG K240's, if you would believe, by at least 2/3 dB. You need to boost a lot of bass and at least two mid bands and cut the highs and they still don't sound right. Note: if I tilt the headphones back by about 30 degrees (to the point of almost slipping off my head), then the bass comes in somewhat full and the upper mid honk reduces somewhat. I just received mine in June 2021, so these must be the newer version. I'm returning these ASAP. Is it a quality control issue? Notice that in the case of headphones, these newer pro audio manufactures like Hifiman, always seem to be quietly updating their designs. Do you suppose they're doing it like some of the computer peripheral mfg's do it: that is, like when a flash drive manufacture releases a blazing fast drive, gets great reviews, then quietly dumb's down/cheapen's the design to save money, but continues to sell because of the legacy reviews? That's what I think is going on here.
I experienced the same thing when I wanted to change my HD595 for a K701 (disappointing) then for FOCAL Spirit Pro (disappointing). Now I no longer trust the specialist magazine and the forumers who recommend and rave about audio equipment which is totally insufficient and unbalanced at what is sometimes asked if they are one of those audiophiles who listen to techno music.
LCD-2c's EQed to Harman here. I kinda liked the Sundara's actually. Sure the treble at 5k is a lot but nothing EQ can't fix, the treble above that seems just as even as the HD600's. 2k dip in the standards is not as obscene as my LCD's without EQ so that's bearable (kind of opposite to the mid Sennheiser bump actually) and the bass actually extends down to 30Hz which is way better than the HD600's can do. That 1k congestion tho, it seems is actually a thing among planars, my LCD's do have that bump too but is EQ'able. What I'm concerned the most is the THD peak at 5k that innerfidelity measurements show, such a peak would produce a nasty loss of detail. I'll stick with my EQ LCD-2c's which have 0 THD in all the spectrum and thus allows me to do all the EQ I want without any repercussions in the capabilities of the headphone.
"I kinda liked the Sundara's actually. Sure the treble at 5k is a lot but nothing EQ can't fix" You can't fix this problem because the it's a sort of comb filtering effect. Mine pair had very little bass, much less than my AKG K240s!
EQ improves the Sundaras considerably. Makes them much more enjoyable. I contrast them with my HD650 which I like a lot, but I tend to prefer the Sundaras (with EQ). Earpads don't press hard on my head (that is tall and narrow)
Hi Oluv. Gestern sind nach eeewigem warten die EarFun Free Oluv Edition bei mir angekommen und ich muss sagen ich bin für den preis recht beeindruckt sie sitzen super bequem im Ohr und der Klang is auch sehr gut, nicht ganz so wie in deinem Video beschrieben aber schon sehr nahe dran , spitze! Zum CZcams Videos schauen sind sie leider nicht zu gebrauchen der delay ist mir zu groß das stört mich schon etwas :D falls du noch immer auf der suche bist für günstige Inears ich habe mir die Cambridge Se1 (79€) für den preis echt der hammer etwas weniger und deutlich kontrollierterer Bass als bei den Earfun und auch die mitten und Höhen sind offener und Detailierter aber zumindest bei mir garnicht Harsch. Habe auch den Tribit MaxSoundPlus absolut beeindruckend für die Größe und Preis! Nun zum Video ich hab auch eewig nach einem Upgrade zu meinem HD660s gesucht und bin jetzt nach monate langem suchen bei der Firma Focal hängen geblieben und bin dann kurzer hand nach Stuttgart gefahren und hab Persönlich den Elegia, Clear und den Utopia Kopfhörer gestestet. Falls du die Möglichkeit hast dan versuch do mal an ein Testmodel des Focal Clear zu kommen und ein Review zu machen denn für mich hat sich die Suche erledigt ich habe mir den Clear zusammen mit dem Trigon Exxpert gekauft (1800€ ja ich weiß völlig verrückt :D). Im vergleich zum HD660s sind das nochmal welten, wenn die Quelle passt dann klingt der Sennheiser fast wie ein flaches brett :D der Clear hat eine unglaubliche Dynamic Range und das Imaging ist schockierend!! Super Viedo weiter so!
Die Earfun sind leider nicht ganz das geworden das ich geplant hatte. Es fehlen zu viel Höhen, in der Endproduktion ist der Klang wohl nochmal anders geworden.
This is really an exceptional kind of review for headphones, but I have one doubt. I hear your samples of premium HP's on my low budget closed Mackie MC-150, so the sound is far from an authentic impression, so I can't see much valuable information when comparing the different models. It is likely the quality from each sound sample is dependant on the quality of your own HP wearing, in this one: I don't hear the Sundara's quality, I only hear MC-150 quality? Correct me if I'm wrong.
"so I can't see much valuable information when comparing the different models" He just A/B'd both head phones and the 600 is obviously much closer to the original recording and you don't see the value? If you want accuracy, you go with the 600, done. Don't worry about your MC-150. As long as you don't switch to other head phones for each sample, then it's a fair comparison.
The prince of everything the highest recommendation, just bought the 6xx’s already have the 58x, he is spot on when he says they are the line that everything else should be compared to...
@@11clouds thank you so much! One last question if u don't mind...are these good for hip hop music? And how is the bass? Thanks again for all your help
I found the Sundara just harsh, but I heard rumors of high sample variation. Maybe my unit was not representative. The iSine was not usable for me without Cipher-cable and additional EQ-adjustment. Not sure how you are using yours.
@@oluvsgadgets Thanks for your reply! 👍🏼 I will likely pass sundara for now. QA has always been an issue with Hifiman. Reminds me of soulsik getting a zap from Jade2. As for isines, using them with my dx220 amp1mk2, with peq applied in mango player and uapp.
Is there any headphone which is natural in sound (no artificial coloration) similiar to HD600, but with better extension, soundstage and resolution? It should be available in europe ;) I tried a couple of high end headphones and whilst they showed clearly better technical performance ,they failed reproduce natural sounding instruments (particular noticeable with wooden and brass instruments).
Ich habe mich gefragt was mit den Dingern nicht stimmt. Nach so viel lob im Netz versucht man den Fehler bei sich selbst zu suchen. Genau das, er ist zu harsh. Er verschlimmert meinen Tinnitus. Er geht wieder zurück. Danke für deine Zeit und Ehrlichkeit.
@@oluvsgadgets weiß ich auch nicht, aber ich habe ihn erst vor einer Woche bestellt. Mir scheint auch dass der rechte Hörer ca. 10% lauter ist als der Linke was das Bild zunehmend trübte. Ich versuchs mit den Sennheisern, oder hast du eine bessere alternative bis 500 euro? Vielen Dank nochmal für deine Zeit uns frohe Weihnachten!
Seems like they have some sparkle/peak to them. Perhaps not brilliance or sibilance but definitely some added sparkle or colouration. As in it adds something to the track that isn't normally there. Sounds a little metallic and "can" like at times. HD600 has better mids for sure. But that is the Sennheiser sound and forte. Nice low end though.
a different amp is not gonna change the results. and the reference is hd600 with sonarworks profile. if you listen with that you will pretty much hear what oluv hears.
I am grateful for the reply however i beg to differ with your assertion regarding headphone amplifiers. impedance mismatch, power supply and component build quality play an important part in the end result. sorry, but that is only with my limited experience.
@@colinvannbohemen11 different output impedance could change the sound slightly depending on the headphone. But generaly any decent dac/amp is gonna make the headphone sound like itself. If it makes a headphone sound like a different headphone something is wrong. Im not saying there is no difference at all because if you listen carefully you could hear certain characteristics of an amp. My magni 3 for example sounds slightly steely/metalic for lack of a better term while the dragonfly cobalt is smoother. I have a bunch of other things aswell and even though i could pick some correct in a blind test using the same headphone it still sounds like the same headphone. Oluv also did a comparison of different amps btw.
Hi Oluv, Have you tried the Sundara only with its original cable, or also with a different one? They say the included cable is crap, maybe this has also influenced the results negatively? Thank you for your hard work!!!
Seems like Hifiman has made a silent revision to these. Id love to know how the Sundara compare to the 400se. Those seem to be their best budget offering so far.
I have the Sundara headphones and didn't like them when new out of the box, it sounded harsh and the stereo image was somewhat narrow. After letting them play music for 3 days without me using them (so I was not getting used to them), the sound signature changed dramatically. It's not harsh at all, it sounds very natural and nicely balanced. The stereo image feels very accurate to me. I'm a sound designer and use them every day for work with great pleasure. They are comfortable and cause no ear fatigue. I must add that I care for my ears so I rarely drive them very loud.
strange, because all science related to the concept of "burning in" headphones, shows it's a bunch of bullsht. :P And it's especially strange that a sound designer would subscribe to this kind of superstition.
@@MyouKyuubi Only thing that “burns in” is ear adjusting to the sound…at best. At worst placebo because people have been told this nonsense. Some companies tell people to do it so they won’t be able to return it. Strange that 7 day return for some headphones isn’t enough time for the supposed 200 hour burn in lol
It's not for nothing that any self-respecting audiophile buys this headset because it serves as a reference for judging audio tests of all kinds (youtube, headphones, speakers, music, etc.)
they are not glued. There is a ring that clips on. You can easily replace them with whatever you want. They even sell the ring on their online store for 10 bucks.
Honestly. If the HD600 had some more lower sub-bass and just a tad more bass overall. They would be THE headphones of all time almost. At least up until well over $1,000 range.
At some moments I was surprised for "telephony-ish" sound of 600, but then I found out it's actually closer to the original than Sundara's sound. Sundara definitely is trying to go a bit for that musical V shape.
@@camelCased V-shape implies lots of bass, AND treble with recessed or muffled mids. But Sundara doesn't have lots of bass, thought it DOES have lots of treble. What shape comes to mind? _______/ maybe?
@@camelCased No, it's not "a bit". You don't say "a little bit of musical v-shape", when the headphones have no bass, ffs. That's like saying a pen is "a little bit blue" when it's JUST RED... It's just flat out wrong. :P
"So it can also be used by some bats..." I'm dead LOL
same lmao
@@b3naqua Timestamps pls?
This guy is the most honest headphone reviewer on youtube, he doesn't babble about the product like other reviewers. instead, he involves us in his conclusions by letting us listen to the product with him. but other reviewers give you their conclusions and expect us to trust them and trust their hearing capabilities.
yeah he is a really good reviewer but there are plenty other who also make very good and often critical reviews. In the you have to test it yourself, even if you his review was negative it could be a very good headphone
@@leoalex2001 Oluv is king bc when he says it's harsh, my Sundara's will sound harsh.
@@automachinehead Exactly, in my experience he is always right
@@tadassmolskas3014 anything will sound harsh when compared with HD600. I purchased sundara a few months ago and they sound nothing like this.
@@upendrasharma9137 Of course you can't rely on youtube videos for the exact sound reproduction in reality but i never said that they are harsh so i don't know what you're on about.
Your reviews and demos are great. I would like to see more headphone reviews from you.
This review was stunning - the difference between the HiFiMan Sundara and the Sennheiser hd600 and especiallt to the original recording was breathtaking. Well reviewed - well done !!!
Your sound demos are awesome. There is a lot that frequency response graphs won't tell you that actual sound demos can. Please keep up this really nice work, Mr. Oluv!
After watching many of your videos I opted for the hd58x and they have been felt modded plus I have changes the pads to leather sheepskin earpads which has replenished the bass with the removal of the foams. Out of all your videos I will say to me the hd58x is practically the closest that any of your recordings have been to the original recording. My 58x is nice and clear with plenty of punchy bass and currently using with the zen dac. After hearing the disappointing results from some of these high cost Flagship headphones I think il stick with my hd58x for some time yet as I only had them 2nd of January this year anyhow. I love these headphones they are very very underated for how they perform. I will add out of the box the were veiled so there is so much benefit to the mod but thank you for your video demos you have just saved me alot of money with your honesty and drive to help people learn and understand what they need to know to make a conscious decision on how they spend their hard earned money.
Oluv, you're video's say it like it is. I admire you. This makes the buying decision so much more easier
Your reviews are always legit man. Keep it up👌
I bought the Ananda because I wanted larger earpads. Hifiman's current planars are fantastic listening experiences.
I was just checking your channel and BOOM a new video!
Love your reviews man, good luck with the channel. 👍
I am late to the show but, this is the way comparison sound demos should be done. Excellent!
This is the best reference audio test I've ever come across wow. definitely made me realize I need. some thicker pads for my 400i's to get a nice wide spread
Or just put some foam inside the earcups. Foam actually fits nicely if you cut it the right shape, no need for glue. They become much more comfortable on the ears, and less harshness. Love this mod
The first thing I do before reading or watching a review is go and check the price. Sometimes, I'm just out before the review even starts.
i love that you compared the original and the audio coming from the headphone. good job!
I very much enjoy the methods you use to try to convey the differences between headphones. It comes across pretty well.
I am able to hear the harshness you spoke about with the sundara and the hd600 sounded really good as usual to me.
My experience has been the past 15 years about when I first bought the Sennheiser HD 595. I still have them and the HD 600 ireland version. They really are high tier. The only thing that bothers me is the initial clamping force.
Even the HD 595 are really good as they give you a taste of what hifi has to offer.
I currently just ordered the akg k702, senn hd 660 s, new revision hd 600.
I'm probably going to keep the hd 600 if they still sound anything like the original ireland version.
The mini dsp is very useful for me to come somewhat close to hearing the relative differences.
Glad to have you part of the community.
I am French and I use google translate.
wow do you still have the HD595?
Hi.
Before my HD595 died, I bought an AKG K701 which was a great disappointment (however hailed by the press and the forums) I had to patch up my HD595 and I bought a FOCAL Spirit Pro which was also a great disappointment.
I would be curious to hear your feedback on your purchases:
I just ordered akg k702, senn hd 660 s, new revision hd 600
@@VENOM-vq3ju yes the akg k702 version disappointed me a lot. I mean, for 138 on sale, maybe it's ok, but anything more, no.
The hd595 were always great and I stilled used then until recently getting the hd600 new version again
Glad you now own a DX3 Pro. Fairly decent DAC/Amp for the price and ability to drive most headphones properly. Haters will now stop saying your reviews are invalid because made with your iPhone.
Great review. I have many headphones including a pair 650's. I was thinking of purchasing the Sandara to add to my collection. But having heard that trebble peak in the demo, have decided against it. So good job. Your reviews are the best I've seen as it gives the audiences a chance to have a chance to listen to heasdphone comparisons and although by it'ts very nature we won't be getting a fully accurate sound representation, its the next best thing and gives people at least an idea as to whats going on.
hi there! im back here;)
these are one of the hphones i do really appreciate, they are really cool. one of the best ones for their price, imo.
Hi Oluv. This is off the current subject but wanted you to know that I finally received your signature EarFun Earbuds. Great job! I love them. I heard the highs, mids and a nice mix of bass. I am pleased and happy to have the Oluv special edition.
Unfortunately it is not 100% what I had planned. There is lots of treble missing compared to my original tuning. It sounds better with “treble boost” preset on iOS but still not quite there.
What a great reviewer...
@Mike O'Horny haha nice
Good reviews my friend. I don't know if I have some Sundara's very different from yours, but my experience pretty much agrees with other reviewers, the high frequencies are clean and clear, the mids seem adequate to me, the bass "punchy" and the sub frequencies almost absent. Personally, I found the Sundara's to be a very pleasant and more transparent experience than some studio headphones gave me. I know well that this is something that varies from person to person, that's the difficult thing about giving an opinion on headphones.
My version of the Sundara is 2020, I don't know if anything changed there. However, the first few days I used them the experience seemed very different from the one I have now (from a little bitter to excellent). They are headphones that I had to get used to and maybe that's where the point is. At least they sound very different from how they sound in your video, without all that harshness.
They are currently my favorite and have made me very curious about more expensive models. At least I can no longer go back to the M50x's which I also loved.
"I know well that this is something that varies from person to person, that's the difficult thing about giving an opinion on headphones."
It can vary, but clearly (as the video demonstrates) the Sundara's are not intended for reference. They are like most consumer audio products where the marketers make the engineers pick and poke at the frequency spectrum to make things sound "pleasing/louder, etc" and unique (ala Bose, etc). Transparency for consumers is not the same as it is for professionals, whereas professionals regard transparency as 'having no character', consumer's tend to associate that term with "clarity" (treble boost).
"the first few days I used them the experience seemed very different from the one I have now (from a little bitter to excellent)"
There is an assumption that head phones need to be broken in. That may be slightly true. The real phenomena, however, is that you break YOURSELF in (your ears). So it's deceptive advertising. The human brain will attempt to smooth out the inconsistencies over time, with decent but not 100% success. So when you switch to a different pair of head phones, you think yours are better (because your brain adapted to them). Now add confirmation bias and it's easy to say, the Sundara's are the bomb. How to snap yourself out of the delusion (confirmation bias and brain/ear-break in), is to listen to a pair of high quality studio reference monitors for about a good hour. Then try a few different head phones. My money says you'll throw the Sundaras in the trash, for reference purposes that is.
Thanks for demo and comparison. Very helpful. Thanks.
I must say that your sound demos sound really close to how the headphones sound on your head, i have the HD660S myself which is not the same as the HD600 of course but i have listened to the 600 though and it is great. The Sundara sounds much brighter than the HD600 and is definetly coloured sounding
Thanks for this one more great video.
Hi Oluv, Thanks for your transparent and honest reviews. I also love your music choice, have you published your playlist anywhere ?
Well done. Thank you so much.
Great review and thank you. Would these be good for electronic and classical music? Or the 600s? Thanks
I have hd600 and he4xx. My experience with he4xx was same as you are describing for sundara. After changing pads to HM5 angled sound is much more acceptable.
Still love my hd600.
You cant call HE4XX bright !
Compared this to your Audeze LCD-1 review. Between those two cans, which would you recommend more? Seems like the Audezes.
For the love of God, please do more headphone reviews.
I wasn't really sure about the harshness until the original track start playing...My lord it was freaking harsh and far off.
Though I'd like to suggest headphones to review... DT1990 pro, Night Hawk black carbon and a cheap Sivga 006
If Oluv doesn't like the "harshness" of the Sundara, I think there is no way he's going to like the DT1990.
@@vintageflanker7096 Harshness is important, that's where is all the details are
@@DARKERanimexxXxx Hum. I beg to differ. Pronounced details obtained by few dB boosted over the ideal 0db curve (Mostly in high-mids/low-highs) is not the ideal way IMHO.
@@vintageflanker7096 The harshness in the Sundaras comes from a fairly uneven treble frecuency response ranging from +- 5dB around reference, they are indeed VERY resolving but the unevenness just isn't worth it, is so marked i it would take a lot of EQ to fix (even more than a pair of LCD 2c's). The DT's have a MASSIVE 8-9-10k treble peak like 10dB above reference but the rest of the treble is more even than Sundaras.
Dt 770 250ohm are best..
Well Oluv were you happy with the earfun buds that worked on.? I haven’t got mine yet but hoping hoping hear your views on it?
The Audezes are a lot darker than this. The LCD 2 Classic is awesome for someone like me who's also treble sensitive. It's pretty dark up top but still has lots of detail and the bass slams HARD
I’ve got a pair of LCD 2 Classics as well. Do you think the Sundaras are closer in sound to the LCD2c’s than the Sennheiser’s?
Hi Oluv. I will receive the earfun tuned by you this week.
Can you tell me if there is difference in sound with bluetooth 4.2 compared to 5.0?
Great sound demo; was thinking about getting these, but wow, they sound pretty harsh at least to my ears
Did... did you film this with mic capsules inside your ears?!
What an utter Thadd Mad Ladd :o
Thank you for taking the time to do this incredible setup, the Sundara there sounds too harsh on my earbuds, but i deff look forward to viewing more of your videos 😸
Judging headphone quality based on listening through it through youtube through a recording through another mic is not the most ideal way to judge a pair on headphones, to put it mildly.
Revisiting this vid.
When you elevated the sundara it sounded to me like an hifiman xs.
I could clearly hear what you were trying to say.
I would definitely pick the xs over the sundara even though when i listened to the sundara irl i liked it.
Excellent review. I will probably choose the Verum 1 over the Sundara.
I came to the same conclusion. Thank you for your consistent honesty!
I used to have the original HE-400 with an Asgard 2. Sounded great. Only problem was the HE-400's murderous treble. Same as the Sundara. Seems Dr. Fang Bian is doing this on purpose. Only perfecting the treble for the 1,000+ USD headphones.
The HD 600/650 sound much more natural and pleasing. I am currently running HD 58X Jubilee + Liquid Spark + E10K.
For me the treble in the sundara is the best thing
I have Sundara for about a year now and they are absolutely not harsh, I really enjoy them with my ifi ican se, by the way they sound warmer after 3 months of use. You guys can watch innerfidelity’s review and Rtings as well to see what i mean, They really do sound 8.5 out of ten.
Mr golden ears prefers jbl boom boxes. Lol!
Totally agree my 400i was very hard to listen to at first with it's treble.. almost returned it but now it's really smooth and sounds great
Same I actually have 600's as well and I'm not sure what he means if anything I find mids a bit forward on sundara's more so than reviews mentioned but harsh in the highs not even close
Very interesting review! Thank you!
metal571 said that we can consider the Audeze LCD2 Classic an upgrade to the the HD 600. I wonder if you would like to confirm this. After a review, of course. Keep up the good work!
to the 600 or the 650?
My memory said HD 600... but you might be right because he uses as a reference a HD 6xx wich is a 650 actually. So..it is probable that he compared to a 650. I did not manage to find the moment in his videos when he makes the exact statement.
I am new to audio equipment and was wonder what amp and dac are you using in your sundra review? I would also like to know where I can listen to binaural audio music? Thank you for your help.
Great review
Do you have a public Spotify playlist? The tunes you're testing with are bliss!
I really love how you just talk german to your dog, Jimmy for the win, he agrees with your audio taste haha
Yey a headphone review 😌
Yeah, this is definitely the old version Sundara, Hifiman did change the pads up recently (beginning of 2020) and perhaps it was a silent revision. Because I do not hear the Sundara like this at all. The newer version measures much better in the 4-10kHz region, and sounds much closer to the HD600 to my ears.
The news one's sound the same. Just like the video.
Hi man.
In terms of detail which one wins in comparison to the audeze lcd-1?
For mix & mastering ...
Thank you
The timbre is metallic and plasticky on my Sundara as well. But overall it is nicely balanced for me. I prefer bright headphones, and the sundara is not even that bright. dt1990 was brighter to me.
Keep in mind that the EARS rig specifically has an artifact at around 4khz that shows a bit of a peak (for almost every headphone I've measured). Also was the recording relative the the HD650? Because that's not at all what the Sundara sounds like to me.
The shape of the ear may be what caused the difference. If you watch the beginning he used two pads each side and it sounds more like what I hear.
He uses two set of equipments in ear recorder and minidsp.
Really wiered so much disparency between reviewers.
His sample sounds nothing like my Sundara's when listening to the same tracks, it's not even close.
Im waiting for my sundara arrive, and this review is killing me,, are sundara is this bad?
Thanks for the video even though I liked the sundra a little better I found they had better sound separation.
You are honest, thank you for good comparision :-)
Always do honest. Excellent reviewer
I bet the bats would enjoy them... :D
Thank you very much. I wanted to ask you many people say the Hifiman Sundara are better than the 660s have you ever compared them?
I don't like headphones like you hard they also annoy me and make my ears hurt. Do you recommend Sennheiser ? I would like to take the 660s but I can't prove anything right now
Hi! You guys might help me here.
I bought the Sundarars and a Ifi Zen dac. I wanted to plug my headphones to the balanced output so I bought an extra 3.5mm female to 4.4mm male jack adaptater. The problem is that it got worse, so much worse... there was a buzz sound and the music got all messed up. Si I send back my adaptater thinking it had an issue... So my question is : is the Sundara stock cable balanced ? Do I just have to get a working 3.5mm to 4.4mm adaptater to use the Ifi zen dac balanced output? Thanks. Hope someone find this message
Something I noticed while watching your video is that the Sundara translates overly harsh or just brighter from some of my sound outputs (headphones, speakers, IEMs). Difficult to make a judgement based on this.
Hi Oluv. Can you review the Audio Technica ATH-CLR100? Thank you.
Have you tried the Tribit XFree Tune? Its a budget over-the-ear design and I think it performs quite good....I got mine for $55...
What DAC/AMP do you use my friend?
Waaaay toooooo bright for my taste. A good reason to take many you tube reviewers with caution. Not because they're bad but because their hearing is different from mine. I guess yours Oluv comes the closest so it seems I can take your opinions as relevant to me. I'm listening through a pair of Hifiman's he400i (the ones before the 2019's) which interestingly aren't bright by any standards
ich habe den AKG K 290 Surround....das ist schon ein mega alter Kopfhörer aber immer noch der beste was damals auf dem Markt kam....der klingt auch in stereo wahnsinnig gut....super neutral....da hörst du von der original Aufnahme und dem Kopfhörer 0(NULL) Unterschied. ich liebe den AKG 😍😍da kann auch heute noch nicht senheisser oder sonst eine andere Marke daran was ändern....wäre cool wenn du den vielleicht irgendwo auftreiben könntest und ebenfalls so testen....du wirst sehr überrascht sein :-)
Which track is the first one? Even CZcams's subtitle cannot compile what he just said.
Merci Oluv's gadgets for this demonstration. 👍
I'm sorry.....You did a great review on the Tribit Xfree Tune......for any reason I missed it.....for the price it sounds great
I really like your reviews and the tech you use to make them!
But I must say, honestly I think there must have been something wrong with the Sundara you used here.
I’ve been trying out the Sennheiser HD600 and Hifiman Sundara, if you like the one or the other is a matter of taste, but I must say that there is not such big difference between them. They have different characteristics but how this is recorded in the review is not, far from, how I felt trying them out.
I love the Sennheiser sound, but I also really liked the Hifiman sound as well.
Sorry that you did not get the experience I had.
So for everyone looking at this video, try them out in reality before you make a final decision if you did consider Hifiman in the first place, and if you go for a Sennheiser, you will be very happy with that as well :)
Check the measurements of both at DIY audio heaven. If one sounds good the other one cannot
T. Nicklasson I completely agree with you. I listened to the same tracks and my Sundara's sounded nothing like his recording, it's not even close to being realistic.
@@LukeMtech55 The only thing this could mean is that Hifiman is cheapening their products after reviews have rolled out. Computer peripheral manufactures have been known to do this here and there. Very deceptive and dishonest. My (soon to be returned) Sundara's sound like the video.
Every reviewer mentions the treble on the Sundara
Some like it, some don't. But it must be there, similar to the graphs.
Personal perception is the key.
I totally agree with this review. These are all hype. I will never trust another CZcams review (except for this channel) or online review. There seems to be a comb filtering effect with a sharp boost in the 4/5 kHz range (just like the video, perhaps to offset the comb filtering) that is quite piercing. And my Sundara's have less bass than my AKG K240's, if you would believe, by at least 2/3 dB. You need to boost a lot of bass and at least two mid bands and cut the highs and they still don't sound right.
Note: if I tilt the headphones back by about 30 degrees (to the point of almost slipping off my head), then the bass comes in somewhat full and the upper mid honk reduces somewhat. I just received mine in June 2021, so these must be the newer version. I'm returning these ASAP. Is it a quality control issue?
Notice that in the case of headphones, these newer pro audio manufactures like Hifiman, always seem to be quietly updating their designs. Do you suppose they're doing it like some of the computer peripheral mfg's do it: that is, like when a flash drive manufacture releases a blazing fast drive, gets great reviews, then quietly dumb's down/cheapen's the design to save money, but continues to sell because of the legacy reviews? That's what I think is going on here.
I experienced the same thing when I wanted to change my HD595 for a K701 (disappointing) then for FOCAL Spirit Pro (disappointing).
Now I no longer trust the specialist magazine and the forumers who recommend and rave about audio equipment which is totally insufficient and unbalanced at what is sometimes asked if they are one of those audiophiles who listen to techno music.
LCD-2c's EQed to Harman here.
I kinda liked the Sundara's actually. Sure the treble at 5k is a lot but nothing EQ can't fix, the treble above that seems just as even as the HD600's. 2k dip in the standards is not as obscene as my LCD's without EQ so that's bearable (kind of opposite to the mid Sennheiser bump actually) and the bass actually extends down to 30Hz which is way better than the HD600's can do. That 1k congestion tho, it seems is actually a thing among planars, my LCD's do have that bump too but is EQ'able. What I'm concerned the most is the THD peak at 5k that innerfidelity measurements show, such a peak would produce a nasty loss of detail. I'll stick with my EQ LCD-2c's which have 0 THD in all the spectrum and thus allows me to do all the EQ I want without any repercussions in the capabilities of the headphone.
"I kinda liked the Sundara's actually. Sure the treble at 5k is a lot but nothing EQ can't fix" You can't fix this problem because the it's a sort of comb filtering effect. Mine pair had very little bass, much less than my AKG K240s!
Sundara's are awesome.
EQ improves the Sundaras considerably. Makes them much more enjoyable. I contrast them with my HD650 which I like a lot, but I tend to prefer the Sundaras (with EQ). Earpads don't press hard on my head (that is tall and narrow)
same i struggle to listen to my senheisers ever since i got my sundara
Hi Oluv. Gestern sind nach eeewigem warten die EarFun Free Oluv Edition bei mir angekommen und ich muss sagen ich bin für den preis recht beeindruckt sie sitzen super bequem im Ohr und der Klang is auch sehr gut, nicht ganz so wie in deinem Video beschrieben aber schon sehr nahe dran , spitze! Zum CZcams Videos schauen sind sie leider nicht zu gebrauchen der delay ist mir zu groß das stört mich schon etwas :D falls du noch immer auf der suche bist für günstige Inears ich habe mir die Cambridge Se1 (79€) für den preis echt der hammer etwas weniger und deutlich kontrollierterer Bass als bei den Earfun und auch die mitten und Höhen sind offener und Detailierter aber zumindest bei mir garnicht Harsch. Habe auch den Tribit MaxSoundPlus absolut beeindruckend für die Größe und Preis!
Nun zum Video ich hab auch eewig nach einem Upgrade zu meinem HD660s gesucht und bin jetzt nach monate langem suchen bei der Firma Focal hängen geblieben und bin dann kurzer hand nach Stuttgart gefahren und hab Persönlich den Elegia, Clear und den Utopia Kopfhörer gestestet. Falls du die Möglichkeit hast dan versuch do mal an ein Testmodel des Focal Clear zu kommen und ein Review zu machen denn für mich hat sich die Suche erledigt ich habe mir den Clear zusammen mit dem Trigon Exxpert gekauft (1800€ ja ich weiß völlig verrückt :D). Im vergleich zum HD660s sind das nochmal welten, wenn die Quelle passt dann klingt der Sennheiser fast wie ein flaches brett :D der Clear hat eine unglaubliche Dynamic Range und das Imaging ist schockierend!!
Super Viedo weiter so!
Die Earfun sind leider nicht ganz das geworden das ich geplant hatte. Es fehlen zu viel Höhen, in der Endproduktion ist der Klang wohl nochmal anders geworden.
number 1!! on youtube and actually all around , you are the only one i believe !!
The boss is back.
Treble sounded fine to me until you mixed in the original tracks, then it approached “fatiguing” 🤮
@MrSnow1961 Exactly for "your taste"
This is really an exceptional kind of review for headphones, but I have one doubt.
I hear your samples of premium HP's on my low budget closed Mackie MC-150, so the sound is far from an authentic impression, so I can't see much valuable information when comparing the different models.
It is likely the quality from each sound sample is dependant on the quality of your own HP wearing, in this one: I don't hear the Sundara's quality, I only hear MC-150 quality?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
"so I can't see much valuable information when comparing the different models"
He just A/B'd both head phones and the 600 is obviously much closer to the original recording and you don't see the value? If you want accuracy, you go with the 600, done. Don't worry about your MC-150. As long as you don't switch to other head phones for each sample, then it's a fair comparison.
wow this sealed the deal for me on the 600's, most natural to my ears
Did u buy them? If so, do you reccomend?
The prince of everything the highest recommendation, just bought the 6xx’s already have the 58x, he is spot on when he says they are the line that everything else should be compared to...
@@11clouds wow thank you so much man! Can I ask if they get harsh and fatiguing? Thanks again
The prince of everything ...neither, most natural I’ve heard, I should have started from here a long time ago, you will need an amp though
@@11clouds thank you so much! One last question if u don't mind...are these good for hip hop music? And how is the bass? Thanks again for all your help
Seriously, I got a headache listening to the harsh sound, great review by the way.
I absolutely love the sound on the 600
Do a review of the Monolith 1060 R2, hopefully if we get enough audio tech tubers to shout out the pros and cons we'll get a R3
They still have that obscene breakdown at 5k... i don't like them.
I was checking your database this morning and I was like yaay Oluv's getting into high - end😄😄 I thing the Verum Ones sound a bit better..
..almost surprisingly, for how ugly (my opinion) and prone to defects they are (Verums of course)
did you review the second version of Sundara?
what is it called
I think these are the revised because of the angled pads
Hi Oluv, how does it compare to your isine10s? I have a pair of isine20, will the sundara be an upgrade? Thank you!
I found the Sundara just harsh, but I heard rumors of high sample variation. Maybe my unit was not representative. The iSine was not usable for me without Cipher-cable and additional EQ-adjustment. Not sure how you are using yours.
@@oluvsgadgets Thanks for your reply! 👍🏼
I will likely pass sundara for now. QA has always been an issue with Hifiman. Reminds me of soulsik getting a zap from Jade2.
As for isines, using them with my dx220 amp1mk2, with peq applied in mango player and uapp.
HM5 pads may smoothen the sound of it, at least my HE-400i did
Is there any headphone which is natural in sound (no artificial coloration) similiar to HD600, but with better extension, soundstage and resolution?
It should be available in europe ;)
I tried a couple of high end headphones and whilst they showed clearly better technical performance ,they failed reproduce natural sounding instruments (particular noticeable with wooden and brass instruments).
For me it's the Elex, also the DT770 with some tiny modifications and careful placement.
Ich habe mich gefragt was mit den Dingern nicht stimmt. Nach so viel lob im Netz versucht man den Fehler bei sich selbst zu suchen. Genau das, er ist zu harsh. Er verschlimmert meinen Tinnitus. Er geht wieder zurück. Danke für deine Zeit und Ehrlichkeit.
Die neuen sollen aber besser geworden sein, ich weiß leider nicht wie man erkennt ob er neu oder alt ist
@@oluvsgadgets weiß ich auch nicht, aber ich habe ihn erst vor einer Woche bestellt. Mir scheint auch dass der rechte Hörer ca. 10% lauter ist als der Linke was das Bild zunehmend trübte. Ich versuchs mit den Sennheisern, oder hast du eine bessere alternative bis 500 euro? Vielen Dank nochmal für deine Zeit uns frohe Weihnachten!
@@oluvsgadgets habe ein anderes Video von dir gesehen mit den Focal Elex... der hat mir wirklich gefallen von der Signatur.
Seems like they have some sparkle/peak to them. Perhaps not brilliance or sibilance but definitely some added sparkle or colouration. As in it adds something to the track that isn't normally there. Sounds a little metallic and "can" like at times. HD600 has better mids for sure. But that is the Sennheiser sound and forte.
Nice low end though.
It would be nice to know what the reference was for the "original recording" and what the result would be with a better headphone amplifier.
a different amp is not gonna change the results. and the reference is hd600 with sonarworks profile. if you listen with that you will pretty much hear what oluv hears.
I am grateful for the reply however i beg to differ with your assertion regarding headphone amplifiers. impedance mismatch, power supply and component build quality play an important part in the end result. sorry, but that is only with my limited experience.
@@colinvannbohemen11 different output impedance could change the sound slightly depending on the headphone. But generaly any decent dac/amp is gonna make the headphone sound like itself. If it makes a headphone sound like a different headphone something is wrong. Im not saying there is no difference at all because if you listen carefully you could hear certain characteristics of an amp. My magni 3 for example sounds slightly steely/metalic for lack of a better term while the dragonfly cobalt is smoother. I have a bunch of other things aswell and even though i could pick some correct in a blind test using the same headphone it still sounds like the same headphone. Oluv also did a comparison of different amps btw.
Hi Oluv,
Have you tried the Sundara only with its original cable, or also with a different one?
They say the included cable is crap, maybe this has also influenced the results negatively?
Thank you for your hard work!!!
Seems like Hifiman has made a silent revision to these. Id love to know how the Sundara compare to the 400se. Those seem to be their best budget offering so far.
I just recently bought the 400se and so far I love it. It dethroned my shp9500.
I have the Sundara headphones and didn't like them when new out of the box, it sounded harsh and the stereo image was somewhat narrow. After letting them play music for 3 days without me using them (so I was not getting used to them), the sound signature changed dramatically. It's not harsh at all, it sounds very natural and nicely balanced. The stereo image feels very accurate to me. I'm a sound designer and use them every day for work with great pleasure. They are comfortable and cause no ear fatigue. I must add that I care for my ears so I rarely drive them very loud.
Do you have a preferred playlist for breaking in new headphones?
strange, because all science related to the concept of "burning in" headphones, shows it's a bunch of bullsht. :P
And it's especially strange that a sound designer would subscribe to this kind of superstition.
@@MyouKyuubi okay so you don't believe it, I don't mind. I know a bunch of speaker designers that don't agree with you. Bye now.
@@mhoomans "okay so you don't believe it"
This isn't a matter of belief, it has been scientifically debunked.
stfu.
@@MyouKyuubi Only thing that “burns in” is ear adjusting to the sound…at best. At worst placebo because people have been told this nonsense. Some companies tell people to do it so they won’t be able to return it. Strange that 7 day return for some headphones isn’t enough time for the supposed 200 hour burn in lol
The biggest thing i gathered from this video is that hd600s reproduce the sound incredibly faithfully to the source material
It's not for nothing that any self-respecting audiophile buys this headset because it serves as a reference for judging audio tests of all kinds (youtube, headphones, speakers, music, etc.)
Oluv, try the m1060c, I find it very balanced for an inexpensive planar.
Please review the audeze lcd 2 someday.
glued on pads is a no go. hd600 is insane,own the 2019 version myself
they are not glued. There is a ring that clips on. You can easily replace them with whatever you want. They even sell the ring on their online store for 10 bucks.
what micrphone u use
Honestly. If the HD600 had some more lower sub-bass and just a tad more bass overall. They would be THE headphones of all time almost. At least up until well over $1,000 range.
Perhaps you could look into the 660s2? From what i've heard they improve on some of the bass issues regarding the 600's
@@RobloxRandomMadness yeah, but they still suffer due to the nature of open back. they just miss the creamy richness you get from a good closed back.
Oh no no no. The treble on the Sundara made my teeth wiggle. I suppose some people like wiggly teeth, but I preferred the HD600 by far.
nice!
it would be really nice if you could get some 660s or 600s
oppo pm-2 review any chance? =)
At some moments I was surprised for "telephony-ish" sound of 600, but then I found out it's actually closer to the original than Sundara's sound. Sundara definitely is trying to go a bit for that musical V shape.
yeah, no, it isn't. :P
@@MyouKyuubi Then why Sundara has so strangely sharp upper mids? :D At least, in this video, I can clearly hear the difference in that area.
@@camelCased V-shape implies lots of bass, AND treble with recessed or muffled mids.
But Sundara doesn't have lots of bass, thought it DOES have lots of treble.
What shape comes to mind?
_______/ maybe?
@@MyouKyuubi Yes, that's why I said "a bit" - I meant the treble bit of "V":)
@@camelCased No, it's not "a bit".
You don't say "a little bit of musical v-shape", when the headphones have no bass, ffs.
That's like saying a pen is "a little bit blue" when it's JUST RED... It's just flat out wrong. :P
It can also be used by bats LMFAO 👏 thats hilarious