Buzz Saw From PTO to Flat Belt
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- This buzz saw was designed for the little Fergusons and the Ford N-series tractors with the rear mount pto right angle drive. It had been previously converted for use with any standard category 1 three point and tractor that had their own rear mount right angle drive. A breakdown of the tractor this was converted for necessitated a 're-conversion' to make it operate as a stand alone buzz saw powered by any machine by means of a flat belt.
Sound counter productive..?? Not really. We have plenty of tractors that can serve as the power unit but at the time, only one to operate it as a three point. The simple answer to get this thing back in the wood pile down at my son's house was to do what we did...make it a totally stand alone saw.
The trick however, was to make it easily adaptable for use one way to the other. So the part fabricated in the video assembles in minutes by means of two bolts that thread into nuts that are welded in place. One wrench and three minutes.... you are good to go. Just that quick. But it HAD to be made heavy to sustain the pull of a tractor to maintain belt tension.
Suffice it to say that besides the blade being embarrassingly dull and the inconsistent running and flopping of the too old of a belt the operation was a success. At least to me...the guy fitted with the untrained eye it is. All you engineering types are probably suffering from all the forehead slaps you've endured IF you hung in long enough to see the whole design come together. No matter...don't let your brain or your nerves suffer too much because I've done much more dangerous things than this....like forgetting special days the Missus is convinced should be burned into my memory like an indelible marker on a thousand dollar wedding dress...or one from the Dollar Tree thrift store for that matter. Yeah, using a belt dressing stick near a huge pulley flying around in a circle powered by a massive gasoline engine is nothing compared to that particular wrath !!
Seriously, for you folks not familiar with the mechanics of farm equipment, the 'leaving' side of the pulley the belt is pushing your hands AWAY from the danger....so the tractor is looking out for your safety....its up to YOU to not apply the belt dressing on the 'incoming' side of the pulley....where the tractor becomes an angry beast just looking for a pair of wrists and arms to break in several places.
As always, do NOT do the things I do in the manner in which I do them. But if you do, please have adequate health and life insurance coverage...you may need one or the other. #outdoors, #buzzsaw, #massey
Good job gabbing the pinning leg on the buzz saw. When it works it’s all good.....CHEERS
Heck yeah....everyone ends with a happy day Gator !!
Very nice set up 👍👍🇺🇸
It's pretty well dialed in now Jimmy. I stopped and filed the blade and it made a good bit of a difference, but the belt is still pretty stiff. Unfortunately its not used too frequently and the belt stays rolled up tight and covered to keep rain water off of it. Thanks for the visit and don't be a stranger....
Hey Wendell! Nice job remodeling that old buzz saw! Clearly you prefer belt driven saws to PTO driven saws and that okay. Thanks for sharing!
Actually Martin I prefer one of either kind that is being run by the son and son in law which allows me to sit in the shade with a cuppa coffee !! LOL. This was a bit of 'conversion therapy' that was temporarily required due to a breakdown of the tractor that normally runs this rig in 3 point mounted form. It was easier to convert the saw to be used on ten other tractors than is was to make the repairs to the failed one. To prove my point I still haven't had the time to order the parts for it yet !!
An engineering marvel to go with my westward tippin and sippin this Friday morn! Sears sure had a good thing going for a long time and their catalogs provided many an outhouse read and necessary clean ups with old pages. Wrinkle up an page multiple times to soften it up for future use. Now how did buzz saw engineering and belt fixin lead to a thousand and one uses for an old Sears catalog? Ahhh, all those amazing life’s mysteries that dazzle us into thinking about useless things! But ain’t it plum fun? A Fine, Fantastic, Fun, Free, Fabulous, Frolicking and Cool Friday to All 44s from my Holler to your Holler with Love, Squeezez that Pleezes in warm Breezez laced with CupsOJO and Daffodils and Thrills and a whole lot of Weldin goin on! DaveyJO
Well DaveyJO, there's no one better to unravel those life-mysteries my friend. LOL But sometimes the web you weave with the wiley and wonderous words leave us with more mysteries than solved with the salvo of serious salutations.... See...?? Proving myself once again a mere apprentice to DaveyJO, the master of vernacular when it comes to wordology!! The Missus appreciates all the squeezins' for the early morning...and she's enjoying a bountiful load of blooming daffodils all across our front yard sipping on her first cuppaJO of the morning. Heck the sun isn't even peeping on the horizon yet !!
@@tractorman4461 Ahhhhhhhhh Spring! I wonder if King Tut wore a tutu? “Come in fall by the garden wall, come in the spring ona bluebirds wing.” A sampler my Mom had cross stitched and hung in our kitchen.
You said that it oughta be entertaining. Certainly was. Good stuff
I figured some of the city raised followers may find this a bit off the normal path they take in getting their job done. LOL Good to hear from ya Mark. Thanks man. Take care.
We grew in the same age , little molasses on old belt keep its from slipping tractor 44 . I still got old buzz down in wood yard. 😊
Heck yeah Leonard !! Ain't nothing like cutting pole wood and sawmill slabs on the buzzsaw. My Much Older Brother has our old saw rig that we grew up on.
Those jugs are just your spare *"shielding gas"* Wendell 🤣 Glad to see you outside, working on something. Take care be safe and I'll talk at you later 🙂👍
Hahahaha....yeah, I thought I better say something in case somebody noticed and wanted to give me a warning. LOL I probably need to find a better place to store them, but well, you know how it goes sometimes. Thanks for the smile today my friend. Have a great weekend !!
I used belt dressing about one year back, works, don't let the viewers hassle you!
Hahahaha....naw, no hassle allowed, I ain't gonna listen to 'em anyway. LOL Take care and enjoy the warm snap. I ain't gonna last all the way to spring.
Oh, man, when you put the hammer down on 'er I got a thrill ran up and down my spine! That's how y'know if yer a tractor guy!
I know the feeling well !! Hot dang it sure sent that blade a singing too !! LOL. Thanks for the early morning smile today.
That's GREAT! You truly have the heart of a teacher, Sir. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the kind comment....I make no claim towards the vocation of 'teaching', but I AM surrounded by them. LOL Seven total in my family...wife, two daughters, my daughter in law, one Brother in law and Sister in law and my Son in law was for 19 years before becoming an electrician !!
Cool video tractor man.
Thank you sir...it was important to make it easily installed and removed to be able to flip back and forth. I like to exercise some of the tractors with the belt pulley OR the pto.
Dang! That was a fine video mate.
Thank you Glen. I've been on the business end of these rigs for over 60 years now. This is one of several I use out here. Thanks for watching.
I processed a lot of firewood on those belt driven saws when I was a kid. You get them sharp and on a good running tractor and you can get through some wood.
Hot doggies, you said it ALL right there !! I have several and use them all. Here's what I do to put a really bad blade back in shape : czcams.com/video/ezvZ7u8jUwE/video.html Fast forward to about 2:22 or so to see the layout for a cross cut saw blade.
hey my friend. Haven't forgotten you. Been crazy here. As always Liked and shared. All my very best.
I figured your life is just as busy as my own Bobby, so I appreciate the time you take when you stop in for a visit my friend. Take care and stay safe buddy !!
We’ve sure have made some safety improvements to modern tools of today. Great video Wendell. 😁👍
*Keep on tractoring!*
Hahahaha....There sure has been a bit of a change with modern manufacturers' designs. Good point John. You should have gotten the opportunity to work around some of the old farm equipment that by comparison makes this appear child-safe !! LOL Almost every farmer had one of these, if not his neighbor did and most of us farm kids DID start off bearing by the time we were 10. Thanks for the visit today buddy...take care and stay safe.
I remember as a kid Grandad we`re at a Threshing party he`s mentioning all the goings on this and that then he`s rubbing his finger on the flat belt people listening and laughing as I`m watching what he`s doing he reaches over and touches my ear ,That darn near whacked the Dog shxt out of me with a shock; Man I`ll never forget that as bad as a Coil shock LOL -- For a quick fix you could almost make a 2" pipe Mandrel with 2 bearings on ends to go between the belts with a turnbuckle pulling that looks like the 3 point hitch frame pulling up on a V system to the top of your saw frame then you just tighten or loosen the turnbuckle ..
Hahahahaha....that's what grandpa's are supposed to do isn't it...!!? LOL Yes, that is a viable option for belt tensioning for sure. I was toying with the idea of a weighted idler pulley to put pressure on the non-work side of the belt as another option too. Thanks Garnett for the input as well as for the visit today !!
Wow Wendell! That buzz saw arrangement looks very familiar. I wonder where I have seen one like that? 🤣
Hahahaha....yeah, this is the 'conversion' video. It has been in the editing line since before the debut of the converted rig a year or so ago. Just didn't get to it...LOL
Poor Layla, glad to see she is ok now. Animals have a distaste for those cones. That blade does need some attention!
Yeah, she had a tough time with the cone. But she kept chewing out her stitches. The vet sewed her up three times. The last time he sewed internally and stapled the outside, glued it and put her in the cone !! The gash was right on the fleshy floppy hide there at her hind leg/underbelly. I could hold it open and look down inside just like skinning a beef !!
That was a good build Wendell looks sturdy and I bet you had lots comments from the CZcams safety committee that you shouldn't have your arms in there well not a good thing to do but you have been around that machinery all your life and know what you should and shouldn't do my Dad did the same thing with belt dressing or molasses many times good video thanks for sharing glad the pup is getting better beautiful dog have a great day take care
Yessir, thank you Tom. It needs to be sturdy because of the weight of the tractor tensioning the belt, of course. I sure don't want it collapsing OR tipping up from the back side where I'm sawing. LOL That'd give me a bad day for sure. I'm not too concerned about getting caught in the belt or a rotting pto, but a lot of time people like to warn of impending danger. Most of my regular viewers are used to my shenanigans and don't say much. LOL Layla was totally recovered within a month of the video and her training is going quite well.
I would love to spend a week working with you it would be enjoyable. But I'm in Alaska. Not sure what State you're in for sure. But I'm sure we are far apart 😅. I remember we had a old saw mill that ran off a belt It had a stationary diesel Engine. Back in early seventies. Thank you for all the great videos. I always Look forward to The next one. God bless you and your family.
Hahahaha...yeah Tony, Alaska IS a bit of a distance to travel !! I'm in Missouri right off the Mississippi River. But yes, we could have a good time doing something for sure !! I've got another circle mill I intend to set up that's powered with a Detroit two stroke 3-71 diesel. It has a 60'' blade and 48' of track. Thank you sir for the kind wishes for the family and allow me to extend the same to you and yours as well.
Hi Wendell
The belt is running good for being that old. The loading appears to have helped iron out the kinks.
When I was a kid I use to go out to a buddies Grandparents in the summer. Irving Smith had a Farmall H with the buzz saw mounted to the front of the tractor. It tipped up and back to loosen the belt so it could be driven around the farm.
I still have the Ford PTO sitting in the garage.
Its not as kinky as it was when we started and a couple guys suggested a little brake fluid. I will add some of that to the mix next time out. We had the same basic setup as you described on the Farmall H on our 101 Jr Massey Harris. Tilt up, hook with a chain loop and drive off. Lowering it automatically tightened the belt just like you said. Well, keep the pto drive in case another Dearborn or Ferguson buzz saw comes your way. I still don't have one...which is why I had to adapt it the first time to the 3 point category 1 setup.
We belted the H to a McCormick Deering hammer mill. Dad used pullmore belt dressing. I don't judge.
Thank you Wendell.
That's what we used also when filling silo.
I don't remember the brand but we had a liquid dressing that dribbled out of a spouted can for the hammer mill and silage blower. It was much stickier than the tube dressing, but for now this is all I have left. Thanks Bryce for stopping in once again.
We use that belt dressing on the old John Deere. You know for the belt driving the hydraulic pump. That stuff seemed to last forever. I don't remember where I thought of that but I got another stick of it somewhere. Used it on my drive deck belts from my mower. Get this it was a little tractor 🚜 that was just an overgrown lawn mower. A 6 ft deck on it. I think the deck is gone but I had some plows things like that for it. Darn thing even has cigarette lighter in it. I had two of these manufacturers still got them in the barn. 100 Old Montgomery Ward's and the other one's a Sears. Don't laugh either one of them because they're built a little tractor Just not a lawn mower. Shaped kind of like a little Ford tractor as far as a rear end. Remember neighbor came by and he smoked a little bit and I kind of stay away from that stuff. Hey did The smokers oh crap hand movements raypad themselves down because I can't find the cigarette lighter. So I just tapped it in and thing popped out and I said here you go. He was amazing so was I thing actually worked. I used to have a little cigarette lighter plug in type spotlight. A joke by today's standards. But came in handy when I wanted to mow that yard in the city at night. With that 6 foot deck it took no time at all. I got a couple of David Bradley's and some David Bradley knockoff to. I got a sickle bar in the front of one of those David Bradley's. Well like you I found something to say. Hope some of this finds interesting to you..
Cool stuff !! I've got some David Bradley stuff too...a small plow, cultivators and disc to name a few. I sold the crossway sickle bar mower and the front mount mower deck off it though. I think I still have a snow blade. I like those old lawn tractors...I have an old Simplicity as well as a hydrostatic Ford from the 70's....then a couple really old dogs I know know what is what. No cigarette lighter though on any of them....except when one of 'em goes to backfiring and blowing flames out the pipe. Not advisable if you've got a big ol bushy beard !!
@@tractorman4461 now that's putting a hilarious picture in my mind lighting a cigarette 🚬 off the backfire of tractor 🚜. That's a good one! Yeah that crossbar sickle is wise talk about I have and I think I have a plow. I don't remember what else. There are walk-behind item that balance on two tractor tires kind of like back tires of a Ford tractor but much smaller. Is that what you're talkin about? The off-brand name may be very famous for all I know I don't remember the name of it but it looks like a David Bradley but it's not. I have three of them. One David Bradley one off-brand and the third one is the same as one of the two first ones but I don't remember. By the way if you want to collect a few more I am going to sell them. Be the first time they've been out of family in about 50 to 70 years. You know if I'd made it to that one auction I would have bought one of those old tractors out there in Kansas with the metal wheels just for display yard art. Looks like snow is coming our way how about you? Over 50 last couple of days and in the teens now through tomorrow sometimes at least.
Yep! Forgetting a special day (whether you think it's special or not) is definitely more dangerous!!! Doing stuff on the farm will look extremely sketchy to a lot of people. It's only dangerous when you let your mind wander. Gotta pay close attention! 👍👍👍
Yes, you speak the truth on both fronts.... LOL
Hey hey tm44. I noticed after you sped the rpms up the wobbly belt smoothed out. I don't have experience with these types of buzz saws but you're getting it done, that's all that matters.
Yes it sure did settle down a bit. I still need to treat it with more stuff to soften it. AND use it more. It'll slowly break down the stiff fibres and settle in good and smooth....but theres always a bit of flop with the changing load on the blade. Thanks Dean for the visit today. I hope all is well and warm with you !!
A fella in our area has a nice buzz saw up for sale. I'm waiting for the price to come down a bit. Your setup should work real good. I'm working on a flat belt lacing project myself. Should wrap it up tomorrow.
Awesome Matt. I'm sure what ever it is you are doing with the flat belt it is done perfectly !! That's just the way you roll. Buzz saws vary all over the place...from free to $500. There's a local one a guy wants $175 for and I was second caller for a $50 one last year. It was within three miles of me too. Yep, the first caller bought it !!
@@tractorman4461 the one I’m watching is $445 right now. I’m doing a video on my flat belt project. Should be up Saturday hopefully
@@mattthescrapwhisperer Ouch !! That's a little steep for my blood.... I'll have to swing by and take a look at your project.
I thought I was a pretty 'tough' man, but heck, I'm only a baby compared to you Wendell!
Holy Moses I cringed while you were cutting there, and with a dull buzz saw blade! :) (( I enjoyed watching it though, 'cause I knew you'd be just fine ))
Yeah, that think needed a good touching up. A couple of 'em were blowing blue smoke...the blade was trying to burn its way through instead of cut its way through...LOL No matter...this day was all about making sure everything worked. If not, it was back to the drawing board !!
Keeping those gas cans next to where you cut and weld actually makes you safer as you’re acutely aware of them.😅
Yes, you are correct. I DO have an old set of military lockers lined up for secure outdoor storage. I probably need to do that....BEFORE the big Ka-Boom !! (-:
buen arreblo a la sierra
Gracias mi amigo. Estoy trabajando muy bien.
Man yeah Mr Wendell!! That's awesome, some hot glue action to boot!! Is this an older video? I seem to remember the similar if not exact setup a few months ago🤔🤔😉😉 You can build and execute almost anything my friend!! I so enjoy watching your creations at work!! Poor little doggy, I bet that cone was very aggravating to her!! Mr Wendell, thank you sir for bringing us along, look fwd to seeing what's next sir!! 😁😁😁🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍
Yes, this is the earlier video where the conversion from factory Ferguson design was converted for a second time to operate as a stand alone. It should have been edited before the debut of the rig as a flat belt drive a year back or so. So this is just the 'fab' video. Yeah, Layla had a tough time with the cone...but she kept licking her 4'' rip in her flank dissolving the thread. The third time sewing up they stapled and glued it and put her in a cone. She caught the fleshy part of the inner flank while leaping over a piece of metal. I probably should add a few seconds to the front of these older videos that I finally get around to editing....but for some reason I never seem to get to that either !! Thanks for the visit my friend....stay safe and take care.
@@tractorman4461 okay that explains why it looks familiar but not exactly the same
@@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525 Hahahaha....kinda putting the cart before the horse...so to speak !! I do a LOT of things backwards you'll find. LOL
@@tractorman4461 Man yeah!! I love every min of them!! Bless her heart!! Hopefully she healed without a trace of the old wound!! Keep the older ones coming Mr Wendell, editing is the least of all our worries 😁😁😁👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525 😁😁
I have an Atom splitter that looks like this, but has a cone screw splitter opposite the buzz saw blade. Mine uses a right angle drive pto to a belt for the blade, and chain drive to the splitter side.
Now THAT sounds like a unique combination. I've not seen a setup like that. Thanks for the input...I'm gonna have to go investigate that rig.
Never seen another one. They were made in Fremont Nebraska in the 80's and 90's. Screw splitter works great as long as the wood isn't too stringy. Nice compact unit you can take right into the woods with you.
I have an idea for the same as my saw is on a trailer pulled by a tractor, it would run off the pto into a gear box with two outputs, one fast for the saw, one slow for the cone screw. Not sure if there’s such a gear box available.
Awesome craftmanship, is the side scirts on the MH so that the engine run warmer in winter Wendell
Yes, and the side skirts also protect the alternator, carb and starter from the snow and rain as well. Unfortunately a lot of my daily 'runners' have to live outside so I keep them tarped too.
Wind that up till the blade sings.then it will cut anything. Check the set of the blade & sharpen it
I like to run the ones with the old and worn bearings at around 650 rpm arbor speed. Any faster and that one could scramble. This one is turning about 850 rpms at full throttle with this Massey on the belt. But I don't mind cutting a bit slower to minimize fuel consumption. Now with a helper, we can let it fly !! Fast forward to about 2:25 on this one to see what I do with these blades: czcams.com/video/ezvZ7u8jUwE/video.html Right or wrong, it's the way I learned from my dad in the '50's. I don't run a negative tooth angle like so many do, then file the backsides of the teeth. I do a positive angle and sharpen the cutting edge only.
I have 3 blades for my saw. They are getting really hard to come by.
Yes they are Gary. That's why when I find one at a yard sale or antique shop or FB marketplace that's priced half way decently I jump on them. But I also inspect for hairline fractures at the bottom of the gullets though !! I have a few spares right not that need a good servicing. But I'm always looking for another. (-;
Must be around missouri. Herd kshea 95 lol
Aw heck yeah man...good ear !! South of St Louis a little and right off the Mississippi. I've been a K-SHE listener for 45 years or more. When they were in Crestwood in the little box of a building I had to repair their a/c unit one evening and the DJ was talking to me live on air through the window. LOL I don't remember who it was. I also serviced the a/c's at the company that printed all their bumper stickers so I had access to all the 'discards' in the dumpster. Funny stuff.
I can't see any issue applying the dressing to the leaving side unless your coat gets heavily bound up in the lacing somehow,.
Yeah, that wouldn't be a good thing at all. LOL That's why I wear raggedy clothes...they'll just rip and tear off leaving my arms and legs attached to my body. LOL I know, I shouldn't be so cavilier about the dangers surrounding a saw rig. But hey, that's just me. (-;
@@tractorman4461 You clearly know the capabilities of the systems you're working with. I can tell you're rarely, if ever, taking a serious risk. Taking the little risks is what keeps a good attentive head on a man lol, at least that's what I tell myself..
What if you put some break fluid on that belt would that help any?
You know, I just don't know but the next time I have it in use I will give it a shot. Anything to soften it would be grand !! I don't get to use this too often because I don't get a tremendous amount of pole wood. But I DO get a lot of sawmill slabs.
🤔Sorry Sir I Could Not Resist ( OSHA APPROVED GAS STORAGE IN WELDING SHOP !!!) LOL : ) ( No matter...don't let your brain or your nerves suffer too much because I've done much more dangerous things than this....like forgetting special days the Missus is convinced should be burned into my memory like an indelible marker on a thousand dollar wedding dress...or one from the Dollar Tree thrift store for that matter.) LOL LOL LOL : ) But if you do, please have adequate health and life insurance coverage...you may need one or the other. LOL LOL Nice Puppy Dog !!! That is tight as a fiddle sting now LOL !!! A lots of Memory Sir Each Time That I Ear That Buzz Saw Sir Cheers
Hahahahaha...I'm rolling Dave !! LOL Thank you so much for reading the description mon ami. I'm glad to see you enjoyed both the video and the description. (-:
@@tractorman4461 You are THE BEST Sir ( I did not tell you to make your Life biography since a couple of months right : ) LOL Cheers !!!
So the old vandalized ford didn’t work out for your son ??
We ran the 800 for thirty years after the repairs to cover the vandalizing. But it had eventually developed some ignition issues and I got that all sorted out a year or two ago. Then I was running the buzz saw on it with the SIL and all was good until the water pump broke at the shaft and took the fan blade through the radiator. So it is temporarily retired and put in the line for more repairs....radiator, fan blade and water pump. I really like that old 800 so its only down for the count, not totally discounted....yet. LOL In the meantime we got the 2000 Ford set up and down at the son's house for working in the woods and working the deer plots. We just don't use it on the buzz saw.
Looks dangerous to me
Naw Mark...I'd rather do this than feed sharks by hand. (-: But then there's not much difference IF a fella isn't paying attention. LOL Thanks for stopping by and watching today.