Japanese Saw V.S. Western Saw - Which Cuts Faster?
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Lol this is hilarious.
Here's the same scenario.
"Hello!! Today we're gonna compare a tooth brush to a regulare size mop and see which one of the two will mop half of the room the fastest"
Are you using a push mop or a pull mop? Bamboo handle or hickory? 4 foot or 18"? 😄
Let me guess, the semi industrial saw will win against the gardening japanese saw.
Next episode you should try to lift a car with a toy quadcopter vs a Chinook.
Yankees weighting the game in their favour? ‘Murica!!!!
How’s about buck saw vs Stihl MS351? That’s German.
Mate the irony is Japanese woods saws even at the industrial level still look smilies to this. The main issue with this one is the folding. A traditional Japanese wood saw doesn’t fold meaning it has much long blade. But you are right they are comparing like with not like, the blade is 2 small for that job. On separate test with a small tree the Japanese won, this was just a bad test.
@@Teabag-jt Yeah, I'd like to see this redone with something like the new 26" Katana Boy.
Nice analogy.......
@@DappsJames Mcculloch 125 sp vs stihl 090
The point of a Japanese saw is that you take long strokes, applying little downward pressure, the saw will do the work while you simply move it back and forth. There are Japanese saws that are meant for cutting logs like that, and they do cut “faster” due to finer teeth. A western saw is literally for getting a rough cut, where the log will be split and re-sawn to exact dimensions at a mill. A Japanese saw is for cleaner cuts, where a mill is not practical, they’re also designed to use less energy because they cut in the pull stroke...as long as you’re using it right. If you got this far, thank you for reading. Have an amazing day, and make sure you get something done today, whether that’s brushing your teeth, or building a house, accomplish something today.👍
cool message off to be productive might order that saw so i can do some wood work or.. go pick up these battery connectors' and use them to seek first the kingdom of God
I brushed my teeth
Might be a little late to the party here but I love you dude. Very inspiring words.
@@teslacoil5378 yes
The end of your comment really hit me.
Fair one.
"Hello! Today we will be shooting a target at 1000 meters! I have a 50 BMG and my buddy here has a daisy BB gun! This is gunna be interesting!"
Seriously wtf
.... I don't know how I got here.... I was watching laptop reviews like 5 minutes ago..
Lancine Keita i agree with you
Same. I was watching dogs having trouble with their toys
Haha...same story here. I was watching first Instant karma videos, then Phalanx vs Legion : Battle of Cynoscephalae and then suddenly i was here wathing this :D
Same here. wth..
yea same, i was watching fingerboard tutorials
That's like comparing a steak knife to a machete, the size difference were obviously tailored for different means.
thats because americans are bad losers! true story
Damn right were sore losers!
@@johannespfaller5202 Damn, guess you owed it to us dropping a bomb like that, guess that makes the score 2-1 US
america does have the world's largest stock of hubris
3 foot silky would be closer test.
This is like comparing a machete to an X-Acto knife
The machete wins
MattehWizard r/woosh
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MattehWizard r/facepalm
MattehWizard r/nowayyy
You are using the wrong type of Japanese saw, Japanese saws have several different versions. This was a unfair comparison
Last I checked you only need one kind of American saw🇺🇸
@@Stfu9785 Because Americans just saw for the sake of sawing, Japanese saw to get the tree in the best condition thus using certain saws for certain jobs lol
jamie goode Wdym saw for the sake of sawing? Last I check that’s all you can do, I’m sure the Japanese saw is good at cutting down bamboo, but you can’t really use it to cut anything else. Just sayin you could cut down more varieties and diameters of trees with the buck saw and that’s why it’s superior.
@@Stfu9785 You'll find the Japanese have numerous types of saw for different jobs, trees etc, the one they used wasn't applicable for the job.....there's a much thicker 2 handed one that would cut the log either faster or same time.
@CHRISTAN GUAJARDO I'm guessing you are a moron? I'm not heated but it made me laugh to see some yanks try "big up" an American tool Vs another countries tool lol
Look up "Willow Leaf Saw" you will find the right saw to compete with that Buck saw. I have one and it is very fast cutting on green wood.
Cheers from Tokyo
The Tokyo Craftsman the Willow leaf saw that I just checked were for diameters of about 10" is there some that are made to be able to handle bigger logs? What do you think of this www.fine-tools.com/kobiki.html, the first one there named Temagori Nokogiri Crosscut would that also be a good choice?
The reason the large buck saw isn't as popular, is because men aren't capable of operating them efficiently anymore.
Silky Katanaboy 650 would be a better comparison. Other CZcamsrs have done this test already. The crosscut still wins on anything over 8 in. Anything less and the 650 wins. Of course a chainsaw beats them both.
silky katanaboy 650 vs crosscut czcams.com/video/SFeCUdnk48g/video.html
Thanks for the video. Now imagine if the logger does it all day.
They make longer japanese saws, that would be better test. Still cool to see. Nice video.
i'm watching people cut wood on youtube... i need to get a hold of my life
this is such a great comparison test...2feet saw vs. 4feet saw.....really proud of this people someone give them an award
This is a good test but I think it would be more accurate if the saws were of a similar length. Instead of the Silky Big Boy, use the Silky Katana Boy. They're much closer in cut stroke and would be a much better test. As it is, you're comparing apples to oranges.
AZ Patriot
I totally agree; that was a lot of fun to watch but, for a true comparison a "Katana Boy" would be in the same class as a buck saw. Thanks for the video. 👍
AZ Patriot good point.
Why can't you compare apples to oranges?
Poor Man's Preparing ikr I prefer apples myself 😂
Yes IMO a Katanaboy in the same hands would crush that bucksaw. The obvious lack of equitibility in this contest is ridiculous. Might as well put a laplander up against a chainsaw
That's not apples to oranges, that's cranberries to watermelons!
Agree
You mean Eggs to lettuce ?
ahahaahah
Bill gsmit never heard of those Kool Aid flavors
The silky saw only cuts on the pull. Certainly not a valid comparison. Next test on the 8 inch log the silky will fly through it
did you know .. there is many type of saw in japan . not only the one in this video.. but still go with this little one . lright then haha
I want to see you doing a delimbing comparison. You know, what these Japanese saws were actually made for. I would think the Buck Saw would be a bit cumbersome to wield in an apple orchard...
I like the idea, but I have to call foul! The Japanese saw needs to be more comparable. At least A Silky Katana Boy 500 if not the 650. The curve of the blade on this shorter saw, and how it has to be held is making this an unfair fight. They need to be more similar strokes.
Your buck saw is like 20x the size of the Silky... and they are used in completely different applications. It should be called "Right tool for the job vs. The wrong tool for the job" This test just tells a story of bias and disregard for accuracy to benefit said bias. If you wanted to do something accurate and unbiased you would have used a Japanese timber saw.
Just for fun buddy.
Kinda but not really, they were comparing two things and used something tiny on a massive log against something designed for that purpose
Weeb Detected.
I'm joking btw, gotta admit Glorious Nippon Steel is pretty good.
Thomas Reid
READ THE TITLE and Thumbnail.
Of course there is a difference in the speed and efficiency of a small saw compared to a bigger one especially when using both to cut a large log.
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Silky Saw 650 Katanaboy... Would have been much much more appropriate
DropForgedSurvival There's a 1000 version too
Why don't they just use a regular Katana to chop the wood in half with one smoothe cut
@@danielpintjuk Bru
"Everything in Japan is smaller." LMAO
True
You guys should look into “chain-saws”. It’s like a motorized saw that I’ve heard can cut through wood fast.
Good video on using the right tool for the job vs using the wrong tool for the same job.
I had a good laugh.
I bet the old lumberjacks (pre-chainsaw) would drop their saws in a hot minute once someone handed them a current model chainsaw (the original chainsaws looked like death machines)
rjtumble Not only were they death machines, they could also try out for a spot on My 600 Pound Life.
I grew up in a huge logging town, can confirm that old chains were death machines
rjtumble oh I know
Especially those old versions of the two man chainsaws. Tikes
t00bsox no there are dumb lumberjacks, just many have become skilled at their craft and lack in other areas.
Bucksaw vs katanaboy 650 or 1000 would be much closer i believe.
Correct, this test is asinine with the big boy. As you said the 650 would make it a fair fight, AND its still much more portable.
smaller teeth would still remove less wood
Katanaboy 650 would be through that in a minute or so without breaking a breath...
Is the Katana boy 1000 available yet? I think either would spank the bucksaw
No sign of the 1000 yet and it would seriously lay waste to the buck saw...half that log would be bucked up before the buck saw got done it's first cut
A lot of you missed when he said there's a lot of people asking him why he doesn't use his Japanese folding/gardening saws for everything. This is a reply to them.
Um. That looks like a western-style orchardists pruning saw which is simply made in Japan. This is basically "Small western saw vs big western saw." It doesn't even appear to be a pull-stroke design.
The Japanese saw that is actually the equivalent of your big western saw is a Maebiki-Nokogiri (Whaleback Saw) or Sakimaru (Willow-Leaf-Saw). A video comparing the two would be much more interesting. The Whaleback is usually a rip saw for cutting planks, but I think the Sakimaru is a crosscut.
"everything in Japan is a little bit smaller" well played, well played lol
czcams.com/video/nXYPPjoI-qo/video.html
Size doesn't Matter xD
Oddish lol
Except maybe brains.
Great video! Thanks! Would like to see an actual Japanese log/timber saw be tested.
Thing is.. there are Japanese log crosscut saws, which usually extend anywhere between 1/2 and 1 meter from the handle to get full cut strokes just like Westerns.. and have depth teeth just like westerns too to deal with dust. Why are you using a branching saw for the comparison?
This was not a fair test because the Japanese use logging saws also! The test should be equal length saw blades! I think the Japanese saw will win every time! Thank you.
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If you say that then they need a better quality western saw, then western saw will win every time, plus they got eurobeat.
Good luck with that new Bike, sound like its a little gem.
Great fun!
I notice that the crosscut saw cuts on both pull and push... but the tooth spacing is altogether different.
Given the rate that the sawdust was flying, I thought it would be a closer finish!
A carpenter's hand crosscut saw does cut on the "push" but these forestry timber crosscut saws cut both ways. You can see the chisel teeth aiming back and forward. You can clearly see at 6:50 the pile of sawdust on the opposite side of Cody's log cut is a significant pile.
As someone who competed in logging shows you lots a bunch of time on the buck saw with all that seesaw motion.. Keep the saw flatter and use all the saw teeth. For a good whooping on the Japanize saw, switch from the Peg and Raker to a M-Tooth and watch the chips fly! The M-Tooth woiuld of been through in 15 -20 seconds.
Cody, it's been a long time coming and I think all of us agree that you've got to go back to this channel's roots.
Anyone else remember when this was a loctite channel?
I'd like to see you do a video about bow saws. I don't remember ever seeing you use one or talk much about them, though they have a similar, if not the same, design blade as the big saws you have and use.
That’s not a fair comparison because the western style crosscut is literally designed for cutting large logs whereas the Japanese saw is basically for gardening and pruning and trimming small trees
The buck saw was definitely less work. The Japanese saw looked to take 3 strokes to 1 for the buck saw. Of course taking into consideration for the length comparison of both saws. Liked the bark scraper. Working on one now for myself. Thanks for the idea.
Wranglerstar your saw was doing more work which meant you needed to be in better shape or needed more rest time. You should start the test and not stop it to see which saw cuts through first and or which person passes out. Haha
There are bigger silky saws out there made for this I would like to see a video about that LOL
Tools are generally crafted for specific usage. I would ask the following: Which of these two saws would you take into a forest of bamboo for your cutting work? The western saw was designed for exactly the type of cutting you see in the video above. The Japanese saw was not.
I have that same "Double Mountain Brewery" shirt! I bought it when I was on a West Coast trip with my pregnant wife. The amazing part of that trip, one that gave me chills, was that I called my father from Hood River on the 30th anniversary of Mt. St. Hellens blowing. I didn't know this ahead of time, but saw info about the anniversary in the local paper. My father said he was also in Hood River on that exact same date 30 years ago for the eruption. He thought it was the end of the world. Being a Minnesotan that was the only time I'd been to Oregon. What are the odds I'd be in that exact spot on that exact date?! Funny world.
I would love to see a video where Brian shows his edc. I'm curious as to what knives he's carrying.
I was waiting for someone with a chainsaw to jump in and take over lol
to be fair this was like saying "can this handgun compete with this tripod mounted heavy machine gun" or "this hand screw driver versus this full sized pry bar is opening this door!" probably should get a saw that is remotely equal?
that being said, that debarking tool is cool as hell man.
Pretty sure it would be bipod mounted
I finished the whole video. I'm not even interested on lumberjack or saws or anything closely related to it but these video was entertaining.
LOL...At least you both got your cardio in for today! :-)
"I should go sleep early!"
*Me at 3am*
Do you even English loser
If you used a small wedge in the buck saw cut it will make it cut better because the wedge pushes the wood apart and stretches the fibers and makes it cut easier
Everybody on here is like, "These aren't comparable saws". I think that's the point. The test wasn't the fastest of 2 (similar) saws. It was a call-out by a commentator regarding these two specific saw styles. One is clearly better than the other for this application. They guys called it. And the losing saw lost because of the obvious differences for this application. Changing the curve of the small saw, or changing it all changes the test which is not what the commentator asked for.
Good vid but the katanaboy would been a better match, me personally don't think that was a fair duel... jmo
A japanede saw, especially that one is not made for cutting trough logs an other such of big cuts, its made for handcrafting tings or other kinds of smaller projects...
Arvid Norberg That saw is designed to prune tree limbs. Was specifically designed for forestry workers to prune trees while in them or on ladders. It has no use in woodworking.
Ceryk
My JAPANESE saw is made for it and nothing else!
@@XCerykX I mean that's not even the biggest pruning saw that that company sells
I don't watch this kinda content but it felt so satisfying watching it so I guess my satisfying video recommended vids got me here
That's one cut; our grandfathers had to cut many logs to split firewood. Can you imagine how hard a man had to work to make a living?
I would love to see more of Brian in your videos!
😂 i failed an trought u said "more brain in ur vids"
Jakob Loose lol, I almost typed that
geeze... get a room...
Will K
Me too!! 😉
now switch saws.
My grandpa fashioned a window weight on the end of his bucksaw. The added weight and inertia made it cut much faster. Never seen this on any other saw and have no idea where that one went. If anyone could reproduce this hack, I'm sure it would be you.
The science to these saws is in the muscle group they work. Push vs pull. Triceps vs Biceps .
definetely not the right japanese saw to use for such a job ! Japanes tools are the rolex of woodworking tools ! No doubt !
Igor Cornelis I use that same saw Japanese saw for larger bamboo cuts...maybe a Korean saw would compete...
the type of saw for this job in japan is called maebiki-nokogiri I believe . There are some good videos on you tube about japanese woodworkers . But you are somehow right japanese and korean have the same kind of tools . :)))
finnish tools are the mercedes-benz of wood tools
I find it hard to believe that people actually thought a Japanese saw would compete with a American bucksaw The Cutting capability of a saw depends on how many teeth that has a buck saw has a hell of a lot more teeth than a silky saw
it’s interesting because men back in the day was fit to go all day. And split the logs as well. It would be in theory be more effficent to build a log cabin, the gather your fire wood... shoot by the time your cabin is up you’d be insanely in shape to warm yourself.
I bet the Japenese saw would've wn had it been the same length as the crosscut/buck saw.
Joseph Haynes only losers say if..
Joseph Haynes or used properly.. He needs only the pulling action
its all about the size and setting of the teeth. compare both teeth and you know the answer
exactly
Jay Burton good thing he didn't use 'if'.
But @ least the x-cut (western) saw can be sharpened-more easily...
The smaller saw is easier to use with less force, but would take longer and be exhausting at bigger jobs. The bigger one obviously takes more force but the large motion also yields more efficiency. They are just more suited for different jobs.
Stay away from the blunt cuts and you are golden with a buck saw. Up and down like the ocean.
forget that old technology.....gimme a Husky or Stihl anyday....!
And gas and oil
Try this again with the silky katana boy
don't forget that the tress in japan would be thinner anyway and the saw would not be used in a constant saw motion and the buck saw is a lot heavier so of course it would cut faster
I think you should also compare them by the effort you take in finishing a cut. In my opinion, "Faster" is not enough in in this case, because we are not talking about electric machines. At the end of the test, who was more tired? 😁
Any plans on fishing?
Yeah, that would be fun to watch em doing it!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Turn the volume up, minimize browser and imagine its a sexual scenario. Its just amazing. Start from 3:30 . Its just hilarious :DDD
Whats wrong with that?
more fun to do this with the show "cops"
I apreciate your humor sir, got a few good chuckles from that :D
this one was good i actually did that :D
lmao, u rite
Im noticing not only a difference in effectiveness, but also effort put in for a ratio of effect to effort
That was a crazy test... maybe using a japanese person who knows how to use a pull saw!
"Everything's a bit smaller in Japan" ooooh, shots fired
American's pride ? Unfair fight's. As always
I cut hardwood veneer on a Coe lathe and we set the knife at level or 10mm above level depending on the species. And there's an engineer who travels the world and said the Japanese lathe operators set their knives 10mm below level. So, the point being, the Japanese do many things right but cutting wood isn't one of those things.
Notice that the guy with the Western saw gets his whole body into his stroke and it's a much bigger body. If you were serious you would have two equal length saw blades and two equal size lumberjacks.
Now, had Brian used the correct or the Japanese version of the buck saw, he'd have been through that log in about half the time it took for the bucksaw. This was a totally off balanced "Comparison" , A bucksaw compared to a limbing, or chasing saw is totally off kilter there.
You are just salty
Like bringing a butter knife to a sword fight
Absolutely pointless video recommendation youtube
No it's like bringing one of those three foot razor sharp Sushi knives to a sword fight
It's still going to get broken but it is pretty invaluable for its intended use
The saw was made for gardening not cutting a tree
That wasn't a fair test. The larger saw had the outer piece of the log being pushed down keeping the gap larger than the blade, while the smaller saw had to cut a piece that was being vibrated by the larger saw. Also you need to get one of the longer blades. XD
Try cutting through the middle of a log with the larger saw while raised off the ground by the outer ends. :P
My sleeping wife glared at me after the bucksaw started going. lmao.
can you review one of the husky brand axes from homedepot
Noah Cercone yeah, specifically their Michigan style or their splitting maul
They're okay. Just don't put them against a Eucalyptus or some Palo Verde. Do yourself a favor and just buy something Swede. It's pricey but we'll worth the money.
*"Everything in Japan is just a little bit smaller"*
LOL
lol
Yeah. And ppl in Japan think american white people have horrible body odor and are fat. Let's see if that's funny for you.
Ryo O some people just can’t step out of their childish ways. But things in Japan are smaller, much more compacted area space is a valuable commodity
Yes I have a compact thing in my briefs 😅
Buck saws are not tools, they are a way of life!
Those Japanese saws are amazing for cutting branches. If never think to cut a log with it.
i have work at 7 am what am i doing
Whoever made a comment like that is obviously clueless.
5:10 your boi once you hear it you can't unheard it
Gotta compare weight to carry the saws into the wilds for trail work, as well as the cutting speed. A 500mm silky is nearly as fast as the crosscut, doesn't need a sheath, cuts overhead hazards better, weighs less, are readily available for purchase. Different tools for different situations. This is good for giggles though
The video starts at 4:45.
Your a good man sir!!!
How did I end up here? I know nothing about saws (again how did I end up here) and I can tell this comparison is flawed. Physics much? It's like comparing regular shoes to snow shoes and seeing which pair allows a faster run speed on dry land.
I think that Japanese saw you have is meant for smaller trees and less thick wood. You should have used a Japanese saw specifically meant for cutting through bigger trees and/or thicker wood.
Wranglerstar, by my limited knowledge of saws both of the saws used there are actually push-pull saws. Tooth design determines if saw is a push; a pull; or a push-pull. If the leading edge of the teeth is more or less 90° and the trailing edge at an angle then the direction of cutting is towards the side of the 90° of the tooth. A hacksaw blade is a good example of this.
Both of the saws used here have matching angles (As far as I can tell in the closeups) and will cut equally as well in both directions; but that will vary according to the direction the operator puts the most effort into. (Just like finished wood hand saws which also have similar angles on both front and back of the teeth.) The design of the handle of western wood saws lends itself to adding down force on the forwards motion applying greater power to the forwards or pushing motion.
Pulling on the handle of the larger saw used actually has a lifting affect to the saw; but if it had a long straight handle it would be equally as good cutting in both push and pull with similar human effort applied to both directions.
It's like watching a big block muscle car vs a ricer with a baloney pipe
no its like comparing a car to a moped, not the same tool even tho they kinda do the samte thing.
too bad those big block muscle cars are only good for straight lines :|
Supreme Tangerrr yup that is a valid point, but what we had here was a straight line drag race, not a buck saw vs a scroll saw so to speak 😜😜😜😜😜
"ricers with baloney pipes" can do both ;)
"Baloney Pipe" LOL!
I’m pretty sure the chainsaw wins
I loved the gleeful smile during the entire exercise. Looks fun.
search for 'Stanley jet cut' and you can get a western style saw with the Japanese style teeth - lightning fast cuts
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Why is this on my recommended feed?