Is there an action not based on thought? | J. Krishnamurti
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Is there an action not based on thought? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the third public talk in Saanen, 1978.
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1. Thought comes
2. Watch
3. Watch the reaction
4. Out of watching, comes insight
5. Then action comes spontaneously
6. This action is total.
@@soniatiwari9986 freedom from what?
@@maxmusterman5134 thank you for this explanation
1st to 6th so action is still not independent of the thought
I have gone upto 4th but the 5th one is internal, you suddenly become meditative and the action in that is you drop the mind maybe for few minutes. But I didn't get the outward action, action in the world.
@@brigdigitaltechnology7394 freedom from your conditioning
Sheer beauty
Indeed.
Without doubt
Observation without registration is an art.
And then acting without memory is another art...which then makes the action complete.
@@suchitrapandhare7337 like A child walking first time .
The greatest art in earth
@@suchitrapandhare7337 Can we ever really act without memory? I'm not sure. We must act with memory or we wouldn't know what to do? Memory is mostly unconscious too, so we wouldn't even know if we were taking action based on memory or not? Or are you just talking about conscious memory? Can we ever escape our conditioning fully? When the environment we live in is the very conditions that we are trying to escape?
For me , K is God made visible. K is one of the greatest spiritual teachers.
Y god,, he is communicating with us ,discussing together
You are concluding, when he says knowledge is limited and never complete?
Im not only listening to you Sir but doing my homework, finding my own self & you are absolutely right, im still discovering day by day by observing the thought..
Im totally open to learn everyday & im writing it all down …
There is no end to this discovery of yours, or rather there is nothing to discover anything or there exist nothing to discover.
A great mind and his teachings should be taught in every school. There is his school in India where children go bookless
When he utters the word "insight" ..there is tremendous depth and actuality.
I feel the same way when he says the word, "order" and "thought".!
Obviously.
His struggle is to show the path where thought doesn't drive action using words.
Correct me if I am wrong. Meditation, is all there is in life, Observing, Looking, and watching, with no comment whatsoever, being attentive with all our senses to what is happening, that is all there is.
There is also compassion/love? Not compassion or love to possess or feel better, but effortless love which flows out, no?
The thing is, this is not about reasoning and comparing arguments. It's about investigating oneself thoroughly so one understand it's feelings, actions, desires, thoughts and so on. Why point that meditation could be the only thing in life? Or meditation alongside compassion? Do you even fully comprehend what those words mean? That's crucial, what are we, what is that that language points to, because language is not a reality in itself, these are symbols, attempts to communicate universally, but they can communicate falsehood and confusion too. So beyond language, before it, what are we?
You are wrong. Because you said Correct me if I am wrong. The truth is choiceless, Nirvikalpa. Or so I have heard.
He's saying there is another intelligence that's available for the human to experience it without a center
With observation comes realisation, and this realisation changes your very view about life and depth of perception.
God was really kind to send a soul like him to this earth … to explain… or atleast open all of us from our limited way of life…🪔
Huh.... Best insult ever... LOL
I don't think he mentions God often.
Again as per his clear saying donot carry over other belief systems like god and all, life is sacred when mind is uncluttered from all beliefs ,gods and anything which is made by thought
@@pavankumar-ew3lhWhy worry about what he means by God? Isn't God a creation of self, a concept made by every individual according to his/her experience? I can accept the words and I can thank God for sending such a soul, yet I can also accept that God is a made-up concept. The message goes beyond these wordings, don't fall prey to them. Maybe God could be identified with Freedom and in this case then, well, K says a lot about God.
As I listen to his lectures more and more, they are based around Thought and Observation. I realize not to bring in the circus associated with words to understand him better.
Love and light
What I have started practically applying ,is Not to convert your feelings into words ..It greatly helps especially when angry .
@@shivahooFeelings are like the running waters of a river, and thoughts are like barrages attempting to enclose and control the water. They will eventually collapse, and the longer they persist, the more putrid and intoxicated the water becomes.
Everytime I listen to this man I fall for him.
Maybe because he spoke the language of pure love
Thank you 🧡♥️
‘Yes, how marvelous’
That's us🥲
Magnificent....walking with him is truly a great journey...
Yes, when one is immersed in Omnipresence !
This man is unique, he's talking about my innermost dilemma at the scale of my life. How many times has he given us this narrow passage, out of confusion, giving us the sheer strength to take the necessary step ?
Very nice
The parent of the THOUGHT is memory. Memory derived out of knowledge, past, time. Yet, thought is limited created the individual in limited boundary and not in TOTALITY. TRUTH or FACT is not narrow or limited like thought, but unlimited. If you see that clearly INSIGHT( deep within. It isn't memory or past knowledge) the limitedness vanish and new way of action emerges spontaneously and at once. Brain cells operates in totality beyond one's individuality( which is limited by limited or narrow memory).
The consequence is the END all CONFLICTS! The BEGINNING of HAPPINESS . .
Thank you so much 🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️
aggressively immediate response ....at his best ......you follow , wonder if you do ? ......truly admirable JK !!!
4th comment 😊
Thanks to the j krishnamurti team. ❤✌
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Hi!Are you from Korea?
This is really a break through if seen clearly.
This 6 minutes video stunn me😮
Spectacular ❤️
Thank you!
Love it 💕 ❤ ♥ 💖
wow mind blown🤯
Inspiring 🙏
Thank you
The same brain cells become different and unlimited.......
Salute to the master's feet 🙏
Thank you sir 🙏🙏
What an authentic talk. Democratising spiritualism..
What a great intellectual!!
I love you❤ ❣️
good one
Thought limits itself !!
True passion of Sir J.Krishnamurti.
I’m really moved by around 10:08 when he closes his eyes and says “ahhh, I have it!” Thinking of another lecture where he says “it’s a passion for me.”
Wise.
Excellent speech. Gist of JK sayings
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J k sir was class apart and meet his conclusion of objectless awareness= sheer observation meet non dual stand point of view which is Advait.pranams at feet of sir rather I will call him intellectual swami.
This is beauty of truth
I know I am doing that action
Immensity of his speech is making us feel the truth
Pls continue to share JK sir's content, dear team. Thank you.
El maestro Krishna ha hablado.
The master Krishna has spoken.
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Yeah there is.All of my actions
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If we can change our perception on life then we have a better perspective.
CZcams should really remove the comment section from all jks videos
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We are only ever aware of the Past... that is Primary To Perception Comprehending... What we are aware of Has already happened by the moment you are aware of it. This to me, is the sign that there are actions taken before Thought. Hope that helps you to build on the “difference between Understanding And Comprehending Perception !?
Sheer intellect
Feels Like He explains" The observer is the observed" in each video from different aspects...
Such a blessing to watch his videos...
Thank you sir soo much❤️❤️
🙏💚💥
Be perpetually in the NOW
I read and listened to k for long time and realized, listening and storing something in our brain is one thing while perceiving truth by yourself without any motive is another thing.K cannot make your brain percieve anything only you can.Like he said stop seeking and lets see if we can see what is rather what we want
Have you understood "observer is the observed"
I try to see the truth of it but keep falling back into thought of it
Every thought is based on memory which means conditioning
My own thought obscures my ability to observe my thoughts and put them in order- they obfuscate themselves and make labyrinths into which I get lost. All the while, the stupid jukebox plays ridiculous loops in the backbround-I think maybe I am less than a being and I dont have anything but a damn beehive in my brain.
crux is to live in present moment
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Emotions are not thought based but related to action projected or reflected!
The root to emotion manipulation.
Thank you for helping me question myself.
🙏JK💖has shown that he has transended limitation of the human consciousness of duality and Lives directly from The l n s i g h of of the True B e i n g and opened w a y for all of us to Be As he lS..unconditioned Free B e i n g..💖
5:04 Under all circumtances thought is limited.
13:12 If you see the truth of this, then that truth will act in the world. You don't act.
Wonderful. Trying to understand the real meaning of a thought. Worth watching.
"I" is a thought.As such whatever body does anything it may be called action without thought.Isn't it?
Then 'truth' born of insight must also be not of thought. If it is not knowing 'truth' through what it means, through thought connected to something else, more than likely the past - perhaps the idea of the future (also, no doubt, predicated on memory), then truth and thought are not the same thing. So what is truth? aha, I carried on listening and found out!
Can you pls give us the link for the discussion that took place after this. I want to hear from K that point where there is an action not based on thought.
For this and any other extracts, you can look it up yourself by searching for the full talk using the information in the video description. In this case, simply search for 'Saanen 1978 Talk 2' (which is the talk before this) either directly on CZcams or Google. If you learn this method you won't need to ask for the link again. Hope this helps.
Go with got,follow your heart,listen to the voice inside,there are same things,but there is one thing, what about experiences?,i mean when we are facing a situation which we had same in the past and we know it can bring bad result because we had same experience in past and it's wrong so here should we act without thinking about the experience?
Make a decision and watch yourself act on it, do it partially. No attachment.
Action not based on thoughts: is that like an animal move by instincts, or is a instinct also driven by thoughts?
Is there an action without desire?
Jk: ''do it sir, and see the beauty of it'
Your heartbeat is not based on thought.
Don’t be limited by your own mind.
12:54
I don't understand what he is saying can someone explain it please.
I too didn't the core!
K. uses thoughts to deliver his message and his message is therefore linked with the past, so not clear…unless it is assumed that not all thoughts are unclear
there is smthing I cant understand, if he really invites us to leave the thought for having a real connection with the insight, and so, to leave the tought based on the memory , in other way to act without the memory, where is the importance of experiences registred by the mind? if I know, with my past sofference, that the fire burns and can hurt me, i will not come closer to fire...
There's another dimension of intelligence available when the mind is not
Thought is limited what that mean
can someone explain with example?
Thought is nothing other than fragmentation, the separation between independent things. That is to say, thought is consciousness, that which is known, 100%. There is no known beyond thought; consciousness is thought (this way of looking at consciousness, so shocking, is something that Krishnamurti surprises us with today).
Thought is limited because each thing or idea it embraces does not exist as such, as "a whole in itself". Therefore, no matter how deep it goes, what it reaches is just another fragment. Thought is always a closed room: its analysis shows very well what an electron is like, but that electron only materializes when the observer (the scientist with his instrument) "detects" it. There is no observer disconnected, independent, from the observed; there is no quantum physicist without the electron, they are indissoluble. If one has no reason to exist without the other, it is the same as saying that none of them is an entity in itself. That is to say, the objects and subjects that compose the field of thought are simple cuttings of an undivided totality.
Quantum experiments are an example of what you ask. On a more everyday level, when you say "I used to be more serious than I am now", that self of the present does not exist disconnected from the other of the past, they are the object and the subject, the observer and the observed, and both are the same. They do not exist as such, they are only a cutout, a simple intellective model. However, the life we live does not take into account at all the insubstantiality of the individual, of the "I". Therefore, all we live is conflict, contradiction, duality.
Thought is based on knowledge, experience and memory. All of those are limited so thought is limited. How are they limited? Well, a new born baby which we all once were, have to experience life, then we store it as knowledge for future use, but some things we forget, other we memorise. And also what about all the other things we haven't experienced and stored for knowledge, this incompleteness means it's limited, there's always more, no matter how much we add. So thought is limited compared to the limitless which is whole and can't be subtracted nor added to.
thoughts are limited they are just words. But the truth is beyond thought
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Not necessarily.
Some actions are in subconscious..
We shouldn't have invented language
No there is not. What you said also thought
很难理解
Isn’t insight thought as well?
The difference is how conscious the thought is, one can have thoughts in the sub conscious mind and can act towards that thought
On the contrary if one is aware about the thought, the thought that is born in this moment, right now,
One gains an insight into the very functioning of this mind which brings about an insight or depth to your perception.
Action without thought= animals, robots.....humans can't do action without thought, atleast that's what my conditioned brain tells me.🤯
An action not based on thought is impulsive. Also includes wild, as a synonym. That’s incorrect though. Wild is highly capable whereas impulse isn’t. Where wild is self preservation impulse is self destruction. Requires practice. And modern day slaves aren’t allowed that for state of monopoly.
An action not based on thought is not imposible and it is not impulsive. it comes from being alive and aware, it comes from total observation of everything. But if you have been conditioned by education there is no total observation.
Freedom is not attainable unless one departs from unified consciousness, the all, source or god if you call it that. This is suicide because there is only the all. You must rip away from Krishna Buddha Allah Christ entirely to be free. The god of men must be recognized as a devil. Shred him to pieces. Die knowing you have become not a coward.
All this teaching is kind useless 😂
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