Body language and gender from a dancer's perspective | Natalia Khosla | TEDxYale
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Natalia Khosla questions the relationship between body language and our perception of gender.
Natalia is a senior at Yale in Saybrook studying Psychology. She works in theIntergroup Relations Lab on gender and racial biases in workplaces. On campus,Natalia dances with YaleDancers, edits the Yale Review of Undergraduate Research in Psychology, and serves on the board of the Calvin Hill Day Care Center in New Haven. She misses dancing with the Yale Bhangra Team, but continues to enjoy dancing Bhangra, Bharatanatyam, and Bollywood in her spare time. Natalia aspires to practice as a physician, and to serve as a policy advisor to improve gender diversity in the leadership of medicine.
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I see aggressive men not as good leaders but as inherently insecure and probably insufficient and compensating. When I see men who express authentic humility, I am much more apt to see a man who is more evolved and internally strong. He is the one I want to work with, be with, support and promote.
Got it. I agree with you a 100%.
Beth Sanchez Yoga that is great. We need much more people who think like you to get the cultural norm changed
Beth Sanchez Yoga great Beth but what she is saying is that your opinion wouldn't hold water if you are a woman the more aggressive guy would
Be hired
From her 15 minute presentation, this thought is what you came up with?🤦♂️
Male dancer here , primarily in ballet. I found myself standing in 3rd postion all the time. I find it to be a humble position as if I don't need to prove anything but I still want to keep my spine straight with a demi plie ready.
I see most male managers and authority figures like police usually take the wide "boss" stance. To be honest, the stance reeks of insecurity.
It's weird because, my first language is American Sign language so it is a lot of animation and facial expressions that I make! As an artist I do sign to some songs in American Sign language however, the Deaf community doesn't really go for that that much! I am a CODA meaning a Child of Deaf Adults! I know I probably could put my signing to dance! 🤟✌️ Both my parents were born profoundly Deaf!
It is amazing to read the comments and see that so many people don't 'believe' the presenter's ideas. Guess what? There is plenty of research that supports the notion that body language can be taught as and construed as gendered. It won't hurt any of you to learn more rather than simply disagree without having thought the information through. Remember that our own personal experience is not sufficient.
I wish there were more people like you on the internet
And how if you ask someone who knows how to embody female and male body language, yeah it can be self-taught as well.
That's not really the issue its more that her notion that body language and gender are inherently linked. They're not, it's just typical to teach boys a certain way of acting and girls another. There's nothing inherently masculine or feminine about body language its more of a personal perception. I would completely refute her claims of certain dances being masculine or feminine it's just her notions of how body language is received. Most professional dancers choreograph in a gender neutral space and use movement to enhance the body language in accordance to how a male/female character should be seen, whether meek or strong, etc, in accordance to the audiences perspective not that whole genres are masculine or feminine. I would recommend having a look at Ohad Naharin he has a very insightful approach to gender-less/gendered movement or looking at how characters present themselves in Maguy Marin's May B
@@TheThetombraider123 I'm writing a paper about gendered movement and find your response very interesting. I'd really like to take a look at Ohad Naharin and his approach to gender'less/gendered movement but can't seem to find it. Would you mind sending me a link?
@@carmenkop276 Hey do you still have that paper? I'm a trans guy and I'm trying to learn how to present myself as masc.
People shouldn't try to fit a mold for the sake of CONFORMING to culture and society.
But at the same time, I shouldn't be expected to fit a certain mold just for the sake of CHANGING society.
We should all live true to who we are without shame.
Rachel Mae Sea spittin' truth again
I've kind of realized that when my teacher ignored my answers in the class and praised a boy's cleverness for the exact same thing he'd said. But it's fine. I know I've got the right answer and I credited myself inwardly. Sometimes it's no use trying to change other people. What we should do is to recognize our own forces and shortcomings and stop caring about others' attitude upon us.
Chances are, the world or others won't change for us. Life is not a Hollywood movie.
You're a strong person, keep it up!
why don't you want a friendly person as a leader? I don't trust those who look aggressive.
Because friendly people are constantly seem as weak, that's why they want aggressive (assertive) leaders who are powerful or seem powerful at least
Leaders need to tell, not ask. Confidence is important. If you always need to be everyones buddy and ask how what and why, you are not in charge and no one is going to follow you. Assertiveness honesty, dominance is required for leadership. Its literally written in our Dna at that point. We are born with instincts that teach this is how to be. Hardest part about these SJW's trying to change people other than them selves.
Leaders need to lead by example, not by shouting at people, or by telling them what to do.
Because friendly people are considered naive
@@thisisntallowed9560
So are aggressive people.
Attempting to display dominance is a bad idea.
That was incredible!! Thank you!
3:33 like did NOT see that coming lol
Fantastic, really insightful!
So true! Thanks for a great talk.
What a research! Thank you very much. I will control my gender bias judgements consciously here after.
In the classroom though, I have always gained extra attention from my teachers (I was known as a tom boy though 😉)
Women are powerful and I as a fellow women are strong! no matter the stereotype of feminine and masculine as both are within. We have abilities and support eachother. I sit open and I am strong powerful as we are all powerful we should empower each other! Equality
Excellent discussion. Very hopeful that someone is recognizing and bringing out it does no one any good to preclude half the human race from fulfilling their potential. Plus a tremendous dancer - she should go far! Thanks for sharing. Good luck to her!
For those of you who are interested in more about gender, I highly recommend "Psychology of Gender", 4th edition 2011 Vicki S. Helgeson. There cannot be enough said about stereotypes in general and what they cause. However, I would be concerned of a generation that blurs gender completely rather than allowing true liberation.
Great!!! Great talk !! I agree 100% and you are so bright 👍
Interesting. ..
You are bang on. Thank you for this!
Speaking of banging
@@lockandloadlikehell yeah, what were you gonna say?
If you liked this, you should see a Talk by Amy Cuddy called Your body language shapes who you are
Love Amy Cuddy - she does not promote changing who we are, but understanding how our body language communicates to others. She gives great insight to those who are open to greater awareness to make changes as each sees appropriate for themselves.
I actually disagree. I feel very powerful and confident when sitting in the compacted form. I know I'm a leader.
Exactly. Think for yourself
Eschew group think.
It's for pussies and fascists.
Good for you! That's great, as long as you're confident that's the right thing for you.
How you feel does not determine how gendered a form is.
does anyone have a link to the write up of the study she is talking about at 7:40??
On interesting aspect of her talk is that the position that are socially expected by society for man is that it give and express confidence and bioligically so what women can do base on how they view by society to express confidence and that you can be a leader
Loves your bgirl dancing grrrrrl!!
This Ted talk was vert Informative. And i agree with her. She has some good ideas.
good one
Fantastic
Natalia Khosla for President !
We live in a society
I love when you talk about the body language. You look good in your outfit, and your pants as well as your hair are beautiful. That is also amazing about the way you talk about the gender and the clothes girls wear. You are also awesome Natalia.
There is no audio on that video.
What lovely hair
Serious question: I have severe hearing loss. I lean in to hear better all the time. I cup my hand over my ear while I do it sometimes. How does my disability complicate these gendered explanations of body language?
wait... she just said this happens ACROSS cultures all over the world. then she says it's a cultural phenomenon. ... a cultural phenomenon that just happened to manifest all over the globe, from culture to culture to culture? but there's no biological basis in it?
uh... try again?
That Guy you're logic is flawed. I'm guessing it stems from your misinterpretation of the word "phenomena"
Actually the cross cultural reference she made was inaccurate. I’ve studied the research in university and many cultures in the past had different norms, one example is the Amazonian women who were incredibly strong’, and brilliantly collaborative. Also Sweden has been teaching this stuff 40 years ago. America is a little slow.
Something can exist across cultures without being biological.
The best leaders come from friendless.
Is it possible to have a normless society? Is it enough to deconstruct current norms, without replacing them with something new?
look it is simple for life and survival there needs to be balance and just that
and before a culture copies something they have to agree with it first
i don,t think some one is good because i'm told its because i see it
I'm a girl but I wish I moved more feminine
gonna watch the peeps around meand see if it holds true
As a male nudist I can tell you that we cannot usually cross our legs above the the knees while wearing pants without seriously harming our testicles. Also, our narrower bottom requires a wider leg spread for stability while sitting.
The trick is to have a gap under your testies. When sittin on a chair, its completely unreasonable to expect most males to cross legs comfortably.
@@heatherdaniels8805
Riiight "social"
One of my legs is bigger than your waist.
Speaking of that, my waist is small.
My chest is 54" and my arms are over 19". My neck is 22".
My around the shoulder measurement is over five feet. Once you manage that, we'll talk.
In the meantime: if you want to spread your little legs apart, then do it; no one's stopping you.
I stopped as soon as she said body language is purely for aesthetic reasons. WRONG.
There's more to the state of Being than just "social norms."
Amy Cuddy also comments on this body language male female bio effects and bias in interviews issue. I feel inspired yet your mention of teachers gets me down. Many of them, disproportionately are women.. they need a licence to teach (like a doctor) and yet they are most overworked and underpaid. A lot of them take on a lot and yet are under supported. It seeps in this bias irrespective of consciousness. My thought on your video is to find a new way of moving around through space to ignite a different dialogue between men and women, women and women, men and men. We feel different when we move. It is like medicine without drugs. No?
I noticed that after the hip hop dancing, she wasn't out of breath, but after the lyrical dancing, she was a little winded.
Perhaps those "feminine" moves are more physically challenging.
@julio1c1saga
And a 19 year old female (her peak) has the lung capacity of a 50 year old man.
^^Obviously, due to the patriarchy.
Я бы не сказал, что все женщины говорят тише. По-моему, большинство говорит громче мужчин и их невозможно переспорить.
amazing insight presented in your videos - gender bias is there at every step.
Another speech to point out the obvious- men and women are different. And trying to convince us of why this is a problem. She seems nice and did her speech well, but I'm not convinced that men and women being treated differently is a terrible thing. I think it's just natural, due to natural differences.
men sit that way because it's comfortable... women sit like that because they are wearing a tight dress..... it's fashion's fault
lol no we sit like that because it takes the force from the back muscles and hits it right into the joints and because we dont want our balls to hurt
I don't believe that body language stereotypes necessarily influence hiring practices, and I don't think that some of the stereotypes presented are viewed as negative or positive by all people or organizations. For example, the guy who was sitting forward was not necessarily positive to me. You mentioned it could have represented a male who had not learned to pay attention, or a male who was disguising his nervousness by sitting that way. Disguising anxiety is normal and not necessarily a bad thing. But the male did not appear to me to be all that thoughtful or a candidate for leadership at that particular moment.
I tend to agree with roxana, Patrick, and the lady who referenced the book on gender studies.
Howver, I do agree that we need to get away from gender bias in hiring practices and when gauging potential for success. I do believe that the way we behave is based partially on genetics and partially on how we were brought up. There are a other of good people. And all of them should be valued.
Well... But being more aggressive for example, can ne causes by testosterone of which men do have more of because of their genetics - I mean we COULD theoretically select those that have less testosterone for reproduction, but I'm not to sure that's the best idea to solve the problems created by the gender gap
This should be more taught by parents not teachers. Also men and women are simply different
HOW is she so beautiful???
kaelin b she’s not
Ok how much English do you speak because that’s not even a valid response seeing as I wasn’t asking a question.
I think she has some points but some important ones are also missing.
I dont beleive that postures and atitudes are merely a social construct. I beleive that a big part of the social construct has its source on real archetypes and organic diferences. Even if only 60% of women have a very feminin body (with small feet/ big hips/smaller shoulders/body size and headsize) than average man- and only 60% of man have tipical male bodys, just the simple fact of having bigger hands/feet/smaller hips already shows the same basic cliche gesture she spoke about being tipically masculin, where the activity goes towards the external, extroverted/ or in the case of feminin where activity goes direction heart and hips and where halds seem to be more of a perception organ than a organ of changing the Outside world.
Your Biografy and posture can certainly influence and sometimes even can change and mold you to a certain extent. But if you are abd inhereted naturallty a tipically female body, your natural behavior will seem to be Classical feminin behaviour. We schould not expect this from everyone and its terrible that nonmasculin man and masculin woman are seen as beeings that arent interesting or as valiable as those who fullfill the clichê or those who desperatly try to fake it! (This schould change!!!)
But the rest will tale very long if its even ever changeable or desirable to change. Human kind is full of odd variations. The rule the tipical is the fascinating exception!
The more you are trying to force this beleive unto people the more old people will laught about left wing thinkers.
The problem for men is not only the expectation of women. If you are a peacefull sensitiv not agressiv man, some man will simply use and abuse, kriticise and even beat you up, because you are a provocation and reason for them to feel unconfortable/ stronger/ jealows.
So you get used to in school and live that as a man you are bot worthy of protection (others can beat you- you arent as fragile as a woman - you dokt have the right to make out of you a victim, people will treat you even worse.
body language is the ultimate form of communication in almost all species on earth. the differences from males to females are an essential part of the communication process. To label these diffs as "stereotypes" of a negative nature I think is wrong. The thought of teaching children to ignore what is natural, or worse "train" them to perform in some preconceived manner to "balance or reduce" the so-called gender gap is seemingly damaging to me. I would prefer to see parents teach human "values" in kindness, compassion & mutual understanding/acceptance - letting the child develop it's own/individual manner of expression based on these values. There will always be differences, and yes, some may seem unfair at times. But that too is perception of what "should" be in the mind of one person to another. These differences are healthy in my opinion, and exposure to both sides builds character. Great presentation, but not every situation/experience is meant to be a Dance.
The moment she started dacing I said well she's selling her performance instead of getting to a point which was, by that time, very inconsistent.
External reaction's (body language), are caused by internal action's (feeling's), and each gender has specific hormone ratio's which lead to differentiated body language from an emotional expression of that difference , this external reaction over time (thousands of years or more) then get's biologically adapted or expected from each gender from an individual and cultural standpoint. Every culture in the world has somewhat similar body language and opinion in regard's to gender's, because gender determine's genetically what typical body language a person has and in turn how that person will generally act, which get's carried into what is called cultural norm's. I respect this lady's opinion, and she has recognized a interesting phenomenon however she has prescribed an unproven and non scientifically sound conclusion to it. Simply put she observed an event without figuring out it's intended or actual purpose.
So she is doing exactly the same thing you do XD
I get you are trying to troll and be funny but I dont see how you got that out of it. I saw a person observer, criticize and rebuttal something they dont completely agree with.
If you are a self-aware Virgo or Libra, you already have mastered the art of body language. It comes naturally for us
No, it does not.
@@adammichna5175 👈Um, not self-aware then
False. Boys are more discriminated against in the classroom for calling out.
I feel the body language comes from the personality, not some conspiracy to make the genders different.
she never claimed there was a conspiracy
bady language is shaped by society expectation/norms. If you're a boy and see all boys act a certain way you will act like this. So if you see boys being aggressive, you might become aggressive.
As a dancer and dance teacher, I agree with you.
As a guy, I only sit like that so my junk doesn't get sweaty...
Galactic C Girls sweat too, we just don't sit like that else we'll be frowned upon because of social norms. In hot weather especially, I've got so sweaty I've stuck to my seat many times but still kept my legs tightly crossed 😂
Ya.... Literally, strap on a pair (and a dongle) for a day THEN try to tell me that men only sit that way because it's a "social norm".
MrPedøButtCakes also male hips are more narrower which causes them to point outwards. So generally it's uncomfortable to sit with closed legs.
My thighs are 28"
Bigger than most of your waists.
I need room.
The pelvis structure....I can guarantee this comes into play when squatting, and is the other factor.
Plus, my balls are huge 🤷♀️
I live in a place where sitting with your legs wide apart isnt considered weird for a woman, and i have never sat with my legs crossed my whole life. Its interesting to read about the experiences of women from other cultures.
To all of those trying to defend the way we´re sitting... no it´s not because it may be painful. We sit like that because we like feeling strong and dominant. We sit like that because we like feeling confident and self assured. And you know what? That is okay. And why wouldn´t it? We are men and we should stay that way, instead of becoming women with testicles
All these have evolutionary underpinnings....
yeah, sure, a peace sign is something only women do because biology 🙄
@@agirlwithdreams15 Very smart you are.
@@maatonne At least I understand her argument
@@agirlwithdreams15 You don´t understand mine tho...
I don't think gender expression is 100% society based. I know transgender people that were born male but transitioned into female that have had extremely feminine body language for their entire life, even when they were a boy. They didn't just learn it to "blend in" as a female. Why would someone that grew up as a boy and had boy expectations from society still retain female body language their whole life?
because that's the cultural language they personally identified with
gender is how you feel about yourself and how you express yourself in society, not biological sex.
My takeaway from this is men should be more female and females should be more male.
lol yep
yes and no.
some are good how they are.
also this video is a bit about "SJW" agenda...
"bad sterotypes!!!!" "SOCIAL NORMS!!!"
"WE ARE BEING BRAINWASHED FROM like when we are 3 years old!!!!!"
OMG...
silly TEDx being in favor of these things.
Also that she complained about how our bodies are build up too.
We have balls and a shaft, while they have the deep sea crevice.
Or the muscle structure is different.
Maybe some of our bones too?
So we will sit differently, act differently and so on.
But then again people are more different to other people though.
These girls with such work sits like this, while the more business/"finess" girls will sit like that.
People are different and have different issues.
Blaming it on society isn't the best thing you can do.
Sure there is many things to be annoyed by, when living in a city or with others that live or act differently.
It is to open our eyes. Knowledge is power.
Yep, healthier to have more balance of each. Either one in the extreme is dysfunctional.
Lol this is an individual problem not a cultural construct. You need to teach people to stand strong which is what you were literally proving in the first place
"What I'm actually doing is deciding what gender I want the audience to see me as." Ummm what? Maybe I'm just ignorant to the subject, but that is just not true in my case. I never think about gender when I dance.
jademarissa me as well, but I think what she means to say is that she's expressing the particular personality that is associated with the specific genders, and that's one of the reasons more guys so hip hop than ballet, and more girls like lyrical and ballet
maybe you should
That's the point, its subconscious
This is also to attract the opposite gender, but our seduction give us less opportunities in workplaces
I got to the bit where she said tilting her head was a female stereotype and couldn't go on. TED needs to do a better job of screening some of these talkers out. They are off their trolley.
Contemporary is not balletic. Lyrical maybe but not contemporary.
"Men, on the other hand, feel they can't talk about their feelings"
They do??
More fantasy.
More nonsense.
"Men and women act differently, it's largely because cultural construct and not genetics" says a dancer with no scientific backing and credibility to her claim. Ignoring the hold debate about nature Vs nurture.
Natalia, well done presentation, but I disagree with your premise. The differences between men and women don't need to be "trained out" of society to equalize a power imbalance. Individuals each have unique talents and, if they can master being themselves and learn to exploit their personal "talent package" to its maximum potential, their results will far their exceed their wildest expectations.
Gender traits exist, although on a bell curve as opposed to binary opposites. Each person must to play to their personal strengths and never deny their own nature to play the game using rules set by others.
You and your talk, incidently, are living proof of my premise. Even on the small screen of my phone, your ability to capture an audience in moments with your natural talent for dance was palpable.
Her entire point was to acknowledge the fact that through people's subconscious attachments to the expectation of how to act makes them less of an individual and in turn is raising awareness to possibly promote people to step outside of the norms of social expectations to act more creatively and uniquely instead of doing what is expected to set an example. I don't see how you claim that she isn't pointing that out.
By b uhh
Kleanslate. The big point is not that , of course, there are many people with great skills and that must be developed by each one of us. The real thing is that if you settle a kind of "blue or pink frame" for How and Where you think that skills must be devoloped, then those people must be superheroes if they want to grow up to other direction.
But society doesn't work for the most talented people, as she is, and you pointed. Changes must come for the rest of us, the ordinary prople, those who'll never host a speech at Yale, but who had great skills to develope with -that's the point- some off-gender management.
she is trying to become some thing and she is not. every thing she says is stolen from here and their, and trying to make it as her own idea or invention and finely meaning less.
The cringe in that hip hop though.
Is this a speech or a dance recital?
She's like an 8 year old.
Transgenders across the world 💀
This chick is way into mind control. I believe at the least, half of what she blames on culture is in fact animal behavior. She uses Jane Goodall then fails to see our primate behavior. Didn't she say something early on in the presentation about behaviors that were common across cultures?
Moved like a girl the whole time.
Nice observations. However, your conclusions are not backed up by anything. What proved so far that those behaviors are social construct? You might need to look into evolutionary biology. You can see different behaviors for different genders in Primates. Is it also social construct? :D
Sorry, completely wrong... it’s evolutionary , babe...but you are a good dancer,
Hip-hop seems quite vulgar, to say the least.
vulgarity has a place in our social story
Surely a place I want to avoid then.
Andrew Piatek sounds boring, but it's your choice
Anonymous User Vulgarity does not excite me, and neither does rap. I live happy life without those atrocities.
Andrew Piatek They're not atrocities. And you don't have to be excited by something for it to be valid in other contexts. You are not the arbiter of culture.
Uh...wrong! My daughters acted very feminine for as long as I remember. I never told them how to act, and there were men around them, they decided to be mushy, want to go to the dresses at the store on their own and pick pink princess outfits ignoring the boys section on their own. I even got them legos so they wouldn't be limited by stereotypes and my daughter made teddy bears, babies and figures of mom and dad holding hands and snuggled her lego block creations. She twists and turns very feminine and talks talks talks even before she knew words. I remember feeling intense craves towards warfare and construction toys, motorcycles and trucks and my sisters Barbie doll games seemed like the most boring activity imaginable, wrestling was all day and I just wanted to die evertime my sister played the Pointer Sisters. Gross was the cool and pretty was gross. This is NOT moulding to gender expectations, but instinctual. Women and men in their natural states are wired directly opposite and thus attraction!
I'd just like to point out that there would be no evolutionary advantage to playing with Barbie dolls if you were a girl, or for boys to want to play with motorcycles. There's factual evidence to back up that even if you didn't tell your daughters, "Alright, girls, let's conform to social stereotypes today," they still would have probably picked up on it. 'Instinctual' suggests something reflexive or natural, like a fight or flight response. Women are certainly not told to like the color pink by their limbic system. Also, what do you mean by 'in their natural states'?
In conclusion, no, Natalia is not wrong. She presented data and facts, as well as her own personal opinions and views, to form a detailed and viable point about gender stereotypes. I respect your opinion, but Ms. Khosla's is not wrong.
@@elijahhorwath9588
No. She's just inventing nonsense.
Home life, nature, size, and evolution prove it.
Denying reality only holds you back.
Sorry sounds like ...penis envy...obla dee obla da'''''''''' Peace