M3 Max Low-Power Mode is INSANE! (what you need to know)
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As far as battery life, it totally depends on what you're doing. When you are doing simple tasks its just sipping power because of the e-cores, but the display still uses the same. If you don't have the screen maxed out at 600 nits you can get up to 24 hours of battery life. For mixed use you will get about 6 additional hours of battery life. Going from 10-12 up to 16-18 hours.
Keep in mind that if you are doing very heavy tasks battery life drops as the CPU/GPU needs more power and the fans have to spin like crazy, but based on the tests you can see how much less power is being used. CPU going from 68W peak to only 22W is a massive difference. Timed tasks will take longer but not by much as you saw. In that scenario, you will go for 3 hours of battery life up to about 6-7, so more than doubling the battery life.
What we needed to know 👏🏻
8:57 Did you say the M3 Max MacBook runs hotter than the M2 Max? Was it not in your own testing that we saw the M3 Max MacBook having a lower surface temperature of 35°C just like you showed vs the M2 Max MacBook's 45 °C? Why are you contradicting yourself and misleading the viewers?
At first I thought this might be clickbait but this was some legit solid work. Really appreciate the research and data, we miss some of the things that BareFeats used to do and this is a refreshing way to separate yourselves from the usual mac streamers
@@wisdomyaw03 He actually said the M3 Max MacBook runs cooler, but with higher fan speeds, so it is generating more heat, but also getting rid of it faster.
@@thebuddercweeper I literally placed the timestamp in my comment. What you are saying is not what he said. I mean, this is not the first time they are contradicting themselves in their videos.
It just goes to show, Max, some folks who sometimes just evaluate simple heat/fans performance, it pays to dig into how a product actually works (in low power mode). I am keeping my M3 Max. Couldn't be happier.
@@Garrus-nt2hcFor PC laptops performance takes a deep dive or free fall when you disconnect them from power. And the battery lasts couple of hours only! There’s no comparison here.
Did you find a way to make the low power mode work with 120hz promotion? I want to use it but the 60hz jittery screen kills me.
And nothing about battery life? The whole purpose of Low Power mode? C'mon guys 😂
Totally agree
I can give you a range but it totally depends on what you're doing. When you are doing simple tasks its just sipping power because of the e-cores, but the display still uses the same. If you don't have the screen maxed out at 600 nits you can get up to 24 hours of battery life. For Mixed use you will get about 6 additional hours of battery life. Going from 10-12 up to 16-18 hours. Keep in mind that if you are doing very heavy tasks battery life drops as the CPU/GPU need more power and the fans have to spin like crazy, but based on the tests you can see how much less power is being used. CPU going from 68W peak to only 22W is a massive difference. Timed tasks will take longer but not by much as you saw. In that scenario, you will go for 3 hours of battery life up to about 6-7, so more than doubling the battery life.
@@MaxTechOfficialThank you! 16-18h for mixed use is a game changer imo.
@@MaxTechOfficialcheers for the update guys
@@MaxTechOfficialyou should totally include this in your CZcams video 👍
This video alone makes this channel noteworthy. Digging deep as you do. Thank you!
OK!!! This video is brilliant and so so useful information!!! LOVE IT! Thank you 🙂
Nice, thx...do you have a spreadsheet that summarize all your comparison , it will be perfect to make the decision to buy a new mac.
great video but how many tracks in logic can it handle in low power mode? thanks
Very impressive review! Who would've thought LOW POWER mode was actually still high powered??!
Thank you for all this detailed testing and information
This is the huge benefit of the 3nm process. The ability to do more with less. The fear was always Apple would make the MBP thinner and smaller because of this but by keeping the size the same they really are able to do so much more with much less resources.
While some are so fixated on speed and performance there are some that also prefer to have a laptop that can run the entire day and have virtually no noise or heat. That’s why the MBA is such an amazing laptop. Having this level of performance running a cool and quiet laptop for most of the day is pretty darn insane. This is the true power of Apple Silicon that a lot of reviews miss out on.
There are a lot of professions out there that could probably just leave the M3 Max on low power mode. The performance was already typically way more than most need and now they can get an all day laptop as well.
Very Nice Video! How is called the App that you Show in this Video for Power, Frequency, Temp and Utilization 3:30
I upgraded from a top of the line 2020 i9 16" Macbook Pro to a 14" M1 Max with 64GB/4TB in late summer 2022, and it's so powerful that it's stayed in low power mode since the 2nd or 3rd week of ownership. That was about 5 months before the M2 were available.
The M3 Max chip could do wonders in something like the Studio. Can’t wait to see benchmarks for sustained load in it 😮
Can you do battery life tests between these modes and between the M3 Max and M3 Pro?
This would be the best comparison video to make now, hands down. I'd love to see battery efficiency between m3 pro on automatic mode vs m3 max on low power mode.
Maaan, these analysis are pure gold and super price less!!! Whoa! So much value on them! Thank you!
Thank you so much for clarifying this. I was on the fence of cancelling my M3 Max order because of the noise issue.
Thanks for providing the detailed results. The question is how would your 16 core test machine in low-power mode compare to the 14 core M3 Max and even the 12 core M3 Pro MB Pro in full-power mode in terms of temperatures, fan speed, and performance. Indeed, it may make sense to purchase the lower cost machine for those that place fan noise as a key purchase criteria . This info would be appreciated in a follow-up video.
16" 16 core in low power mode no fans while rendering cpu and gpu in Blender 3d. Very cool. High power fan is loud. best of both worlds just switch modes manually. I commented the temp and performance in comment.
Please do the same tests for the MacBook m3 pro!!
Great results 🎉 Can you make a battery test for the 14“ MBP with the base M3 please 🙏🏽❤?
I also wonder about battery life in this mode
i have this model, with low power mode and light usage i have gotten 20+ hour with 20 percent left. but when i do DL and Web D, then it reduces to 13-15 hours, or maybe more not sure
I have the 14" 14/30 M3 Max. I tested the Denoise function in Adobe Camera Raw which takes a lot of time on my 60 megapixel raw files. I can confirm low power mode is NOT worth it. In automatic mode it took 27 seconds. Low Power mode took 44 seconds. This is a real world test for my workflow and I will NOT be using low power mode. My laptop is silent under both conditions so noise is not an issue nor is heat. This is why I don't like synthetic tests as they mean nothing for real world situations. For those wondering high power mode got the same time of 27 seconds. I'm keeping my system in automatic.
How's your battery life in your daily tasks on automatic/normal mode?
@@cesarn.5330 I haven’t noticed a difference between my M1 Pro 16 inch and my new 14 inch M3 Max. Battery life is extremely hard to notice unless the difference is massive. I can tell you it’s not.
Low power mode is not worth it for YOUR use case. For those with a different workflow, it could be very worth it.
@@KC-lg8qf if someone is going to buy a MAX model to run it in low power mode they are better off just getting a Pro instead.
@@LeicaGeek perhaps ....but even in low power it's stronger than a pro chip. You might be right though....the pro is probably enough if you don't need the max running at "Max"all the time.
My thinking for audio production would be to run it at low power for less intensive work.....and high when the track and plug in counts get really numerous. However I think the main deal breaker is the the display runs at 60 htz when in low power apparently.
This is one of the best video in this channel and category
Could you do one of these on the M3 Pro? I have no need of an M2 or M3 MacBook Pro 16 but like to keep up. I have an M1 Pro MBP 16 and it handles my workload just fine. But I'm curious as to how much more efficient it is compared with the M1 Pro and the M2 Pro in Low Power mode. I've been running with Low Power Mode since I bought it in 2021. No interest at all in the Max chips for the laptop. If I have something that heavy to run, I'll run it on my Studio.
Great insights. I will also check out on M3 pro. I had noticed that fans turned off by hardware
Loving my M3 Max 16”. Runs MacOS with multiple apps, and Windows 11 on Parallels with Dragon Professional very smoothly 😊
I want a quiet mode, fast for bursts and low power for long running processes.
what's the menubar app that shows cpu temperature and fan speed on macOS?
What about 14" m3 max version in this mode? From your comparison of 14" and 16" I do not remember any word that 16" has issue with fan noise or overheating. You were saying it is almost always silent...
Would that work same for the 14' ?
Will the M3 Max still run two external monitors (and the laptop screen) in low power mode? I have the 14core 30GPU M3 Max and haven’t had the chance to try this out yet.
This is probably the most useful video I’ve seen for the M3 Max systems. Running cooler gives the M3 chip more longevity and longer battery life as well as quiet operation. Low-power mode it is!
but u dont get promotion
Does the low power mode force the display to 60hz? Because one of the main reasons i am buying a macbook pro is for 120hz display, so that would defeat the purpose for me. I wish the cpu could be set to low power mode separately from the display
Wow guys, what an amazing set of tests! M2 Max is already crazy powerful but the fact that you can turn this to low power mode to get the same GPU/more CPU performance, or turn it to high power mode and just go hog wild and destroy the competition, is absolutely insane. Apple did the right thing with this M3 Max chip in a way they haven’t been able to do till now. So glad I purchased!
Hey max ! Super good video I have a question 🙋🏽♂️ though
I have currently a MacBook Pro 15 inch 2019
2.3 GHz 8 core Intel core i9
16 GB memory
I want an upgrade not sure if you recommend the new Mac or maybe a what people are calling “ M2”?
I appreciate the super helpful content I am super new to this stuff so any suggestions would be appreciated 🙏🏽
Hey sorry jumped the gun a little bit a min tho the video but I have been watching a TON of videos to see what to buy to upgrade on and if it’s worth it etc but this was very detailed and helpful still would love your feedback on how much of a difference I should see based on my older one
Is this also for macbook pro m3 pro?
Great to know that M3 max is so efficient, now I'm interested in battery life of M3 in low power mode.
Is Any way possible you can try any ssd usb 3.2 gen2x2 with the new M3 Pro and M3 Max and see if we are getting full speed on those SSD
One of the rare MaxTech videos that provides useful information. Nice job!
Do you have stats on performance in low power mode for the M3-Pro? (That’s what I bought)
Great review! The Geekbench GPU Metal doesn't seem to be a good test of GPU performance. The power usage chart shows a few peaks instead of the constant power draw with Cinebench test. Is there another Metal test that would be pushing the machine a bit more?
Metal compute aligns very closely to video editing graphics performance, but yea the GPU loads up and does things in spikes. Thats why I used Cinebench 2024 GPU test too which is way more consistent.
Hi please make a video about battery life extension in m3max low power mode with regular use. Thanks
Great! Given this information, If you could review the 14” models, that would be very much appreciated. It’s something MANY people have requested in your videos. Would love it if you could. Thanks! 🙏
Question, what if you simply left the Macbook pro battery at "Automatic" will you still hear the fans if you push the device?
Kindly tell about battery life difference in low power mode on m3 max , as compared to m3 pro
I switched to low power battery mode for my M3 Max while watching this video. Hope the battery can last longer without plugging in. Thanks for the tips!
How are you making out with low power mode?
Let's hear an update please!
Excellent video, exceptional finding. THANK YOU! The best review so far comparing M3 Max to M2 Max (and in a way to M1 Max)! THANK YOU! Keep up the great work.
which you still recommend?
@@series25a Can you please clarify your question?
Perfect. What about comparison iPhone 15 pro vs 14 pro with low power mode?)
i like your content❤
My question is, would it stays the same in future OS updates?
Can you make a comparison for battery life in that low power mode? M3 should obviously smoke the others but at what range?
Question is for how long did it sustain those numbers in low power mode? Was it the entire time of doing work? Hours? Or did it hit those numbers after running a synthetic benchmark for 2 minutes as a high. This would only mean that it "can" reach these numbers but never actually sustain them for long term. So its a bit suspect.
thats a very useful one !
can screen still do 120hz on low power mode?
After having the M3 Max for a few months, I am still using the low power mode all the time now, even gaming / coding / running multiple LLMs locally, the MacBook runs so much quieter and still can maintains good performance.
Great video
Hey Max, could you please test if the MacBook Pro 14” with binned M3 Max have also thermal issues when using low power mode. And will it be worth over the M3 Pro.
This is exactly what I also want to know. He’s shown that the 14 m3max thermal throttles… which has really been pushing me to just get the m3pro with 36g ram. But now I’m curious how a binned 14in m3max would compare when using low power mode vs a m3pro.
we need a control center toggle for that setting :)
One would think that the M3-based Studio models will not have any of these thermal issues. Bring them on!
Would be really interesting to see this tested on the 14inch!
did you test it?
So, the M3 Pro MacBook Pro with 6 E-cores must be a battery beast in low power mode? Please test it...
How does iPad Air 5 in low power mode compared to the (non M1)IPad Air 4 ?
Excellent video! No one else is talking about this low-power mode that I've seen, but the performance is something prospective buyers should be aware of.
How does the M3 Max binned chip compare for this? I got a 16' one and not hearing much fan noise, but not sure what everyone else is seeing for this (and I'm running exclusively in high performance mode all the time)
Yes, please do a comparison or provide your findings if you’ve already tested the binned versus unbinned M3 Max! My guess is that the 14/30 is still going to beat out the M2 Max in low power mode and it will do it with less noise from the fans, if high-power mode is used.
Impressive how little (or any) performance is lost in low power mode. But what about battery life? How will this be affected?
My 16" M1 Pro may not be as fast but it's still very quick. As well as being cool(75-85° under load, which is better than it was at launch) and silent(fans never turn on) I love the efficiency/speed combo. Don't need to use low power mode, which means pro-motion stays on.
imma swapping to a m1 pro chasis laptop when m5 or 6 releases, cuz I've spent too much on my intel one it just don't feel worth it selling/getting rid of it now
Same love my M1 Pro
With the future M3 Mac Studio Ultra or Max this probably won’t be an issue due to heat sync, but something to investigate. Overall some good insight into MacBook Pros.
A lot of people use their macbooks closed at their desks in stands that keep them upright. They just plug in a monitor and dock to get a desktop like experience. Ive always wondered what the performance difference is in this config. Does the chip still get cooled enough? Is it better because the air gets fully out of the system instead of heating up the screen or does the closed screen trap heat in the keyboard? Are some docked positions better than others? Would like to see a video on it.
Clamshell mode is not recommended by Apple, check their forums. Always keep it open when it’s on. Personally I even put it on top of rubber feet to have more air flowing underneath.
@@thomast7748 I'd still like to see it tested independently and some data to backup the conclusion.
@@SyntaxDomain So you don’t trust Apple support ? What would be their reasons to lie about something like that ? I don’t get it.
@@thomast7748 Trust But Verify. Maybe it's fine for MacBook airs with no thermal side effects, maybe Apple did their testing with it flat on the desk but if you stand it vertically or horizontally, it gets enough air flow, maybe there's some downsides but also some upsides that make it a good option for some but not others. I'm just saying an analysis would make for an interesting video.
I would use low power sometimes if Apple allowed the screen to keep it's 120Hz refresh rate, but at 60Hz it's a pretty bad tradeoff.
I don't notice it nearly as much on MacBooks as I do iPhones because the Macbooks have way worse ghosting, but yea it would be nice to have that option.
I was thinking the same. I wish we could get advanced power settings so we could do things like this.
@@MaxTechOfficial True, but you never mentioned that in any video :/
I am really excited about grraphics performance of the upcoming M3 Studio Ultra. It's going to be insane. And cooling is much less of an issue in that form factor.
You have more power in the same physical space. It makes sense it will run hotter.
In your other video (where you compared the 30core version to the 40 core version) the 40 core version cranked up those fans.. so I guess this was because you were running in high performance mode then?
Nice catch max
It's hard to please everybody when it comes to battery life. But from these tests by Max Tech and other tests by other credible CZcamsrs, it seems likely that the M3 Max has solid battery life. I personally don't mind the fans spinning right away to cool the CPU as that should extend the life of the machine. But good additional cooling is something to consider if you are pushing your machine hard
Did I notice correctly? The M3Max in Low Power mode may beat the M2Max cpu in multithread, but definitely not in single thread, at 2200 (M3Max) to 2600 (M2Max).
So that won’t help in Logic Pro.
can you please test the 14 inch maxwith this low power mode?
I would love to see the same test with the M3 Pro!!
Will keep my M2 Max and wait for the M3 Max-S based on the upcoming new 3 nanometer process mid 2024
I want battery life tests in low power mode for M3 max 14 & 16 please
16" M3max 16 CPU 40GPU 48gb ram here. Running Blender Barbershop scene maxing out CPU and GPU render at the same time. ( preference system Metal set both cpu and gpu ) Low power mode the machine P-Cores throttles from 4 to 3 GHZ with less usage and no fan sound. Temperature around 70 C.
High power 100 C and fans kicks in to max. Love this laptop!
Power usage 60 watts High power, 20 Watts low power. While rendering, I just switch high power to low power and watch the MX Power Gadget meters.
This is the upside of the M3, thank you!
No one is talking about super annoying issue when on low power mode - trackpad delay in 3rd party browsers. It makes it almost unusable for any longer usage. Not expecting it to be resolved on M3 but still would love to hear it from you too. (*edit= just look in the reply 9 messages below to see explanation of this bug)
You’re talking about it and we all appreciate the insight. Should be fixed with updates from the developers
I am on Safari and on low-power mode 24/7 and have no issues. Though I am using MB Air M2. I do not use third-party browsers anymore as after testing, I found they are poorly optimised (worse battery & higher power use). If you need to use them, that is a shame, but keep to Safari as much as possible.
If you are using Chrome, just stop. It’s basically a virus at this point.
It is an ssd problem is your Mac a 13 inch m2 based varient with base ssd if yes that's the problem if no I can give you some tips based on your specs
Same here
I’m sure it’d be madness on the fabrication side of things, but I really wish it were possible to pair the high-end CPU configuration with the low-end GPU configuration. Like the 16-core CPU with the ‘regular’ M3’s GPU to better manage power-use for those of us who don’t need the GPU power. Or at least let users disable like half of the GPU cores or something on the M3 Max.
I wish there was a way to use low power mode while still keeping the display at 120hz, that is the dealbreaker for me.
It will be interesting as to how qualcomm's arm chip works compared to the m3 using older technology regarding both performance and efficiency, just a pity it isn't here now to compare !!!
Can you compare M3 Macbook Pro with M1 Pro Macbook Pro?
we cannot use pro motion + low power mode , can we?
The M3 MAX in the coming Mac Studio is going to be crazy.
Excellent video! Guess those who have returned their M3s for fan noise may want to re-order now.
You've done Apple a favour - hope they appreciate it!
I unfortunately had to upgrade my M1 Pro because I kept running out of RAM. I was hemming and hawing over whether to buy a refurb M2 Pro with 32GB or a new M3 Pro or Max with 36GB. Your last few videos are affirming my decision to buy a 14-core M3 Max. Thank you!
Same here. What did you buy and how is the experience? Audio and video editor here.
@@psysword I bought a 16-inch MacBook Pro w/ the 10+4-core M3 Max and 36GB RAM. It's a noticeable step up from my M1 Pro, which takes some of the sting out of spending so much money when I really just needed more RAM.
I'm a SWE/SRE and for development we run our entire stack locally, containerized and/or virtualized, including several databases. It was painful to get everything up and running and still be productive in Chrome and VS Code. Unfortunately my role includes supporting a team of developers who all use Macs so switching to Linux or Windows wasn't an option.
Now I have plenty of headroom and I'm no longer swapping to disk, and my C# builds absolutely fly on the new P-cores, so I think it was worth it. Fortunately I'm in a position where I can afford it (and it's tax deductible). I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Apple is still selling $1K+ laptops with 8GB RAM, and that you have to spend at least $2K to get a MacBook Pro with more than 18GB RAM.
Any tests you've done/seen on low-power mode while running a professional high-track-count session in Logic?
Interesting that high power mode makes a bigger difference this time around. Glad they also added it to the 14".
I'm waiting for the M4 Max
5:32 apple 13 inch dual fan 2019 four thunderbolt intel 8279u user here, can't believe how apple made the m2 Max only running at 24W at 100% load, whereas I hit about the same at only 80% load in this old tiny apple 13 inch chassis, this is just crazy, no wonder why my temps are raging all the time, I'm drawing as much power as a m2 max on a daily basis!
Not much is being said about the base M3 Max 14 inch model, can we get more testing on this model?
Did you see our video on it?
@@MaxTechOfficial I saw the thermal throttling video , but what about day to day use , doing java builds or python , SQL, or making content , using only 4K HD at most , if you aren't using it to point of over exertion , how is it ? Does the battery life improve with low power mode on this model too ?
Couldn’t find your video on the base (binned) M3Max in the 14 inch MBP.
The fans on my Pro M2 Max are too low. So, I'm all for louder fans. I believe this is why my M2 Max is overheating and throttling under gaming load. Because of this, and having no desire to wait for apple support to fix the issue I bought a m3 max with basically maxed specs. I got 6 months or so out of my M2 Max LOL. Apple needs to improve things. But they still have me as a customer.
I'm happy overall with my m3 max, but yeah, it is noisy, especially when gaming and or with games using crossover, but the performance is worthy, however, there's still not so many games and app from windows fully native for mac, hopefully this will get better. In any case, 2024 macbook pro might have better cooling since they will be second or third gen 3nm chips. Best
14 or 16 inch?
The problem with Intel has never been just that they run hot at peak performance. It's that even the toned down chips use lots of power for even basic tasks. It wouldn't be so much of a problem that Intel is shipping CPUs that draw over 150W at peak if they also used less than 100mW when doing light tasks, and only a couple of watts doing medium intensity tasks. Or even if their lower power chips could get semi-decent battery life.
Intel uses heavy pipelining to keep clock speeds high but I have a feeling they don’t use clock gating to disable portions of the chip that aren’t being used at the moment. Clock trees typically consume as much as 50% of the power a device uses so gating unused portions of the clock tree is important to reduce power consumption.
Very interesting results. Lower power mode really seems to keep the noise down and could open up a lot of potential. The M3 Pro appears to get the same single core in Low Power mode but with a 12,474 multi-core score putting it at the same multi-core score as an M1 Max. Sadly the single core is a solid drop of 1000 points in Low Power Mode, so it is possible that may be felt as most apps sill favor single core performance. In any case, this is cool and a good find for anyone who may need to do some intensive tasks in a quiet place. I will say however, that the information about the thermals was very disappointing. The M3 Max is now starting to show some similar behavior to the Intel chips. The M1 Max ran amazing, cool and quiet. The M2 Max ran hotter, but could still be pretty quiet. The M3 now runs so hot that it's impacting sustained performance and the fans are loud. It makes me worried for what the M4 and M5 will be like. If this keeps up the M5 will be as loud as any PC gaming laptop and get so hot we are right back to where we were in 2019. Apple needs to look into better cooling solutions.
Check the pinned comment! I was mainly looking at performance and heat/fan noise.
@@MaxTechOfficial Thank you for the reply and the pinned update. I really appreciate that. I am going to edit that part out of my comment.
Yes, it is disappointing. Laptops have to stay cool and quiet. Apple pushed it too much to push their sales.
what monitoring app is that, i forgot the name of it
nvm found it
Can you gave me The name of it please?
Thanks.@@TechKid14
I keep my 15" M2 MBA on Low Power Mode all the time.
For those of us who largely clamshell, or have our laptops plugged into power I'd imagine this is mostly a fan noise issue -- if I do take my laptop off power it's likely to be just for a few hours here and there. Hell, even in a coffee shop it's not like the chairs are all that comfortable to be hanging out for 5 - 6 hours at a time (for me).
I want it 😊
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