MY 40 CASSETTE ROAD BIKE SET UP!
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I asked my local bike shop (specialized dealer) and he said i am mentally challenged or something to do such a horrible thing like that. I did it myself then with a help of my friend. It works just fine on my diverge (2017). I used 113 chainlinks and it shifts in small small and big big. Smooth and crisp. Spin to win.
Pretty unappropriate words from a bike shop worker. Are they really into satisfying customers or is trying to belong to the snob group of "you can only be a real cyclist if you follow the ridiculous unwritten rulebook of cycling" cyclists the really important for them? On the other hand my experience with a Trek shop is quite good, they were happy to talk abouth how they fitted a 44 tooth chainring on one of their Émondas for TCR.
Inappropriate for any human being.
An alternative to using a big cassette is to use smaller front chainrings. Absolute Black to a matched pair of oval chainrings that they call 'Sub Compact' & you have the choice of 48/32 or 46/30. They aint cheap though! Personally, however, I use a 11-34 cassette with a 50-34 compact chainset. I bought a 11-36 mtb cassette intending to fit it to the bike for the Fred Whitton, but as we know, this years event was cancelled due to covid, so I'm saving it 'till next year.
Rocking the 40 cassette as well. Was worth it's weight in gold up some 10-15% hills on JOGLE.
Well Katie, It's great to see you young kids, not grinding your knees off. I'm 73 and recently added a Shimano GRX 30x46 crankset along with a 11 x 36 , with a slight adjustment to the "B" screw. Now, when I can't spin @ 80rpm, I'm ready for a 11 x 40 and and the link. KB.
Ken, is your 11/36 cassette an 11 speed. If yes, what brand is it and out of interest where did you get it from? I haven't seen an 11 speed 11/36 from Shimano. Thanks
@@Hairymel there is no 11-36 11 speed shimano. you can use a SRAM pg1130/1170 or alternatives from f.e. Sunrace. 11-36 will work with medium cage 7000/8000 shimano 105/ultegra without the need for the wolftooth roadlink without problems.
I use a 32 tooth shimano cassette, spinning above 70 rpm makes a big difference. Standard bikes are overgeared!
Couldnt agree more Katie!
I have a 32 on the back for my Lakes and Dales rides, I actually had some tosser behind me last week say 'I wish I had your gears mate'. . . as he veeeeery slowly passed me at about 40rpm up the climb, also worth mentioning he actually only beat me up the climb (a 3.5km climb) by about 3-4 seconds in the end ..
...grinding a 25 up Hardknott pass at 45rpm doesnt make you hercules, it just makes you look like a bell end.
Ok I’m still a bit confused as to how this can work. Derailleurs have something called max capacity which does not change when you add an extension like the road link. The capacity is the difference in number of teeth on the small and big rings on the cassette + the difference in teeth on the big and small chainring. The max capacity of the ultegra derailleur is 39T. If you have a 11-40 cassette the diff is 29 already which means that you can only have a diff of 10 teeth on you two chainrings. Is that the case? I thought you had a 46-30 chainring so a diff of 16. 16+29=45 which is way over the max capacity of the derailleur.
Hi Katie, When you first had the conversation done it made me research converting my own bike to a 40 tooth, I’ve posted an depth video of it being done but please excuse my poor videotography, I can ride a bike but can’t shoot a decent video 😆
I live the 40 btw, it’s made me want to cycle to places i’ve avoided in the past due to sheer number of big climbs.
I don't understand why you "only" have 42k subscribers ... You have some great content and you come across really well, and you have a really good backstory the people can relate to with the weightloss. Keep up the good work ... Btw I'm really liking the bloopers at the end of the videos
Make that 42k + 1. I just subscribed after watching my second video.
the 105 r7000 and ultegra r8000 shadow rds can fit an 11-40 cassette even without a road link. 😊
Just done this in a milder form as I had a 12-26 on a 53-39. Now moved to11-32. It’s not radical but it does help enormously for the routes I love here in Herefordshire. Some very punchy inclines (1:6) but on the whole quite steady gradients. Well worth doing. Thanks Katie, it was when you talked about your setup a few videos ago that inspired my upgrade 😊
Good on you! That cassette is what we call in Spain as "Paella pan" 🙂
I'm reminded of Mrs Doyle from Father Ted when they try to buy her an automated tea making machine "Maybe I like the drudgery!!".
Def thinking of switching to 34 on the back though.
I usually run an 11-30 but have an 11-34 that I can throw on for long steep climbs, it definitely helps.
👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 You could climb anything with that set up! Absolutely brilliant!
Katie -
Late to this party, but thanks for these tips. I’m converting my bike to a 1x11 and have a similar rear derailleur setup as yours.
Glad to hear the Wolftooth worked for you. You kept me from buying the wrong one, as my 105 has the direct mount!
Don't understand why all road bikes don't have lower gears as standard. They all seem to think we're all road racers. I just got a Cannondale gravel bike because it has a 46-30 11-34 set up and I doubt I'll ever use the 46-11. The low gears, yes.
Agree!! Lower gearing the better :)
A word of warning to others who might want to try this - the Wolf Tooth Goat Link (WTGL) does not work with old type Shimano 105 rear mechs. It clearly works Ok for KK with her Shadow type Ultegra mech and may work with Shadow 105 but it does not work with the older 105 RD-5701-SS or GS.
The reason is because the WTGL is about 8mm thick and STRAIGHT, you have to adjust the RD end stop screws a large amount. The inward low gear one has to go right to the end and at that point, you run out of cable pull because the ratio of mech travel to cable pull has reduced at such an extreme angle. If you try to wind the cable tighter to compensate, then the up shifts don't happen.
I'm going to try it with a CRANKED hanger extender (like this smile.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B085ZC315L/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ) and I'll report my findings.
I think this is a great setup, so simple and effective.
Wolf Tooth engineering is top notch, I can't think of anything they make that I wouldn't put on any of my bikes 👍👍👍
Now you're talking.....cassettes really do make a difference...I pretty much change stuff out quite often (a bit like the Spindatt channel)....I'm used to bigger cassettes on my mountain bikes (I have a 50t on trail bike and a 42t on my 29er hardtail) but have (in recent times), swapped out my 10 year old Specialized Allez to an 11-32 and 52/39 crank, I've recently changed my gravel bike to a 1x10 and it now runs an 11-36 cassette with a 40t crank and I put an 11-36 on my CX (commuter) with a 50/34 crank...
It always makes common sense to be as (a) 57.....I'm not young anymore (b) I like working on my bikes (c) I'm an MTBer who has discovered drop bars in the last 6 years on and off-road so I'm used to lower gears and (d) What's a Strava KOM ?
I just ride what I'm comfortable with gearwise and always favour a lower ratio as I prefer spinning and, as Katie mentioned, you can get up steep hills spinning......
Cracking vid as always !!!
BTW, that's a very nice setup. I'm seriously think of copying it. I live on the South Downs. We have lots of short sharp climbs near here, all along Pilgrims way. Each less than a mile and 10, 15, 25% gradients. I also really appreciate the climbs with data displayed. Makes it pretty clear what gearing you need, given the power you can achieve and the cadence you'd prefer to have. Keep up the good work!
Very useful video Katie and now I have a 40 cassette set up and it helps with getting up those lavely hills!!!
Good options 👍. I went for 10-42t cassette with 46t chainring. Might need to swap chainring to 42t when I eventually get round to Hard Knott pass 😂
I just fitted Wolf Tooth Road links to my road bikes one which currently has 34T as biggest rear sprocket and the other 29T. If you have a short cage RD you might not even need a med cage which is what I have found with the 29T rear sprocket and Wolftooth. Short cage deraillieur still works fine.
The Wolftooth road links cost around £24, so not cheap for what it is.
This is how I have my gravel bike set up with an XT 11-40 and Ultegra derailleur. The gravel around my area is in state forest in the mountains so that 34 - 40 gets used. I think some new shimano, GRX, does not need the Wolftooth link.
The cable routing on the new Shimano derailleurs looks really smart. The housing enters the derailleur straight and is still very short to limit damage.
This video is so helpful to be quiet honest. I’m glad I came across this. Mahalo!
Great video! Doing a new gravel bike build and this will let me re-use my 105 tech!
I could be wrong but it looks like a Wolf Tooth (Direct Mount) Road Link at 1:22 not just a Wolf Tooth Road Link which is somewhat shorter.
Hi Katie, great channel 👍
Are you using the R8000 chain (CN-HG701-11) or did you swap to the 11-speed HG-X11 MTB chain ?
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was waiting for this.
Great stuff Katie - Loved the out-takes 😆 - It would be great if you added links to the stuff you got in the description so we can check them out and buy 😀
You look so cool standing and resting against the bike. I was just waiting for it to move. Great video. I think doing a video must be like writing a book, always amazed that someone would read it.
thanks for the info. you make great videos. i was wondering what do you think of triple chainrings on road bikes?
Great video, I’m thinking of changing my cassette from a 11-25, not so good on steeper hills!
How amazing having the room
Thanks KK. I have Di2 with a 50/34 chainset and a 11/34 rear cassette. Can anyone tell me if the cassette can be increased. Living on Dartmoor these hills are a killer. Many thanks. Keep them coming KK.
Without an extension I have an 11-36 with my SRAM Rival long cage setup
At 95kg I was ashamed to go to anything over 32t but I love the challenge also but up the 20-25% climbs I'm so gassed out to carry on for a long ride. I love the hills but they drain alot of my energy so this looks like an option as I'm ready to replace my cassette. Peace out heywood neighbour 😁👍 P.S is that school lane off Ashworth Road??
Damn, didn't know about the wolf tooth. Sort of makes the long cage redundant. Added to the list of bike bits. :)
You can do this without the road link if your B screw is long enough
I think you'd just have to try depending on your bike frame. But I'd just suggest getting the link.
The B screw hack works to an extent, but if you think about it logically what you are doing is setting the tension of the spring way to high for the cogs you use the all the time (which can cause poor shifting and premature component wear) all for the sake of that one gear you use once in a blue moon.
Can you make a video on Road wheel Sets (Wheels + Tires + Tubes). I currently (& very recently) bought my first bike, a gravel one. I have gravel tires on them. I am looking get road tires, instead of whole new road bike. Thanks 😊
Thanks
I've been thinking about trying those Chinese 12 (and even 13) speeds cassettes, from 9T up to 52T (!!!) to transform my Canyon RoadLite to a 1by gravel bike :-p
Done it! (9-50 with a 38 chainring) the issue you will come across is you have to have a 12 speed MTB derailleur to clear the 50 so if you are wanting to fit drop bars and road briffters you are kind of out of luck, but microshift now do a 12 speed bar end shifter that is compatible with MTB ratios for this very purpose. If you are not aware of the channel already try the "cave of bad ideas" playlist form Russ at Path Less Pedaled to give you some idea of the issues you will face. czcams.com/users/russrocasearch?query=cave+of+bad+ideas
Long arm derailleur & you can have whatever gears you want
Or using a triple speed
Love the forest green long sleeved jersey jacket, can you please share the make and model 🙏
Hey Katie. What size chainrings are you running with that? I set-up my bike with 46/30 chainrings with an 11-36 cassette. Gets me up the hills although some of the steeper grades can sometimes still be a challenge at my age.
I’m curious about this too, any help would be appreciated Katie!
Hello Katie Hope you are safe. Stay safe.
Hilarious I do not follow any rules. I am on a 14-27 ( YES ) due to where I live. I basically setup my gearing for the wind, cross winds and the 14-27 allows me to easily pass anyone even in a group of 3 riders. Southern Ontario here and an 11-25 is completely useless to use, the 11/12 and even 13 are useless in this windy area.
I want it too, thanks for your sharing!
This is brilliant. I've heard you mention the 40T in other videos but wondered how it was done.
Do you know if this would work with a Sora 9-speed? I know you're not a mechanic, but thought I'd check in case you knew. Have a great day Katie!
No worries, no it wouldn’t as the cassette is 11speed (so basically 11 separate cogs on the cassette) and 9 speed only has 9. So you souls need to change to 11speed. Unless there’s a 9 speed 40 out there not don’t think there is.
@@KatieKookaburra sounds like a I need a new bike instead then 😁
Thank you
Sunrace do a 11-40 in 9 SPEED: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-SunRace-9-Speed-11-40T-MTB-Mountain-Bike-Cassette-fit-Shimano-SRAM-Freewheel-/122786047908
So do Ztto: www.sjscycles.co.uk/cassettes/ztto-9-speed-cassette-shimano-compatible-1140t/
Used both brands of cassette on bikes before now and never had any issues (in fact I rate the ztto 12 speed 9-50 cassette on my gravel bike over the SRAM Eagle it replaced on shifting)
Fair Play Katie 👍👍🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️
Katie many thanks for your video. Just one thing can you clarify which Wolf Tooth extender you're using. They manufacture two, The road link, and The goat link. It looks suspiciously like you're using the Goatlink? Many thanks.
Useful video. I’ve got the exact setup as well. Installed WT roadlink on my road bike, but chain doesn’t shift to the largest cog of the cassette with the low and high limit screws already maxed out, and as well as the B screw.
So I’m thinking of getting a spacer too. I want to know how did you install, and what kind of space did you use? Thanks!
Another great video Katie!! Thank you ! Do you have a compact up front or what do you use?
I run a 40 with a 42 front 1x it's great
Useful video. Have you had any issues when shifting from different gears on the front larger top end and smaller lower end?
Tempted. Very tempted
Do it!!! 😉😉
@@KatieKookaburra I am looking at an 11 40 in 10 speed. There is a uk manufacturer does the extender for £5. The sun tour does it. But most of shimano looks like 11 42. Would this still work?
Are you planning on doing something similar with your CGR Ti?
Thinking of doing something similar, but with only having a 10 speed; I'm thinking the jumps might be a bit too much and won't be able to maintain my cadence
So the CGR has Shimano GRX which has options for lower gearing out the box. 46/30 at the front and 34 on the back :) it’s not as smooth as that set up but well worth it for long days up hills.
Hi i have 52/36 front Ultegra R8000 crank with 11/28 cassette in rear with SRAM Etap 11 speed RD it's Standard short cage version want to have 11-34 or 11-32 atleast for better hill climbing. Let me know will just b tension screw and longer chain swap will work or do I need Roadlink wolftooth or similar. Thank you
Is that location near to Wigan?looks familiar. You're seat is very high, so you must be very tall.
@@yharles Good call there!. Opening shot is the climb next to it, where it levels out.
@@yharles yeah could be its somewhere I've cycled recently.
Is that the basic Wolf Tooth RoadLink or the Roadlink DM? Looking to upgrade to a 40T or 42T - Thanks Katie
It’s the newer model of the Roadlink.
So many say you cant use the mtb cassette and you've showed themx👍
You have always been able to, but as Shimano integrate their systems it's gets easier to mix road/mtb parts. You could run sram/campagnolo 12 speed together but the makers wont tell you that.
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Was considering going for a 34 tooth (currently 10-28) but this has got me thinking about a 40 casette. How would you go about determining which setup is worth it? Not going to be able to try both out exactly! I'm not the greatest cyclist by any means but tend to cycle relatively hilly routes based on where I live so want something to ease the full on grind with only 28 teeth. I used to think 28 just means I need to be a stronger rider and it'll come in time but life gets in the way of becoming so much better that proper hills aren't a grind fest on my current set up.
If you live hilly go lower :)
@@KatieKookaburra Not peak district or lake district hilly. North and south downs hilly. 40 may just be overkill for me. Either way more teeth is the order of the day.
11-40 would be a bit gappy on an 8 speed cassette!
yes it is. I have found this recently. So now I have gone old school. 8speed 10-32 cassette to a triple 44-32-22 front.it comes out lower than my 30/40 sub-compact set up but much smoother. also forget 1x set ups for anything less than 10speeds if you stay mainly on the road but like hills imo. Go Triple
Slightly off-topic for this video, Katie, but how do you carry your big camera and lens on your bike?
She has it on a strap around a shoulder with the camera resting on her back - was in a video a while ago.
@@ecopennylife Thanks a lot.
i think i need a jargon busting book :-O
Size of a dinner plate. Only joking - impressed with the mechanical work to have that set up.
I am not getting the point why would you need a spacer while going for bigger cog? I always thought a spacer is needed when you install 10 speed cassette on 11 speed hub...
but maybe I need to learn still ;-)
It's because the cassette is a MTB cassette and think they have slightly different spacing than road. I think. All I know is I needed a spacer in it :)
extra links in the chain needed for wolflink?
Thanks for showing this. I'm still confused. It looks like you have the Wolf Tooth Roadlink DM. That fits your Ultegra 8000. I have Ultegra 6800, so I'm not sure whether to get the Roadlink DM or Roadlink.
You need the Roadlink.
try running 165mm cranks next for spin city , safe knees and energy conservation, do a vid about it
In case you have Ultegra RX GS, you don't need to buy the Roadlink. 1.85 mm spacer + Deore XT 11-40 cassette is all you need: czcams.com/video/5XbDBePta5g/video.html
Katie and Chris1275cc - I've looked at the Wolf Tooth website and they stress that you "don't exceed the capacity" of your derailleur. So using their logic with Katie's compact set up (50/34) - the maximum cassette would only be as Shimano states - a 34. So must I conclude that the use of a cassette >34, whilst possible is unlikely to be ever suggested by the engineering companies??!!
Hi Katie, what chainring do you use in the front? Is it a 50/34?
So is this basically a 13 speed now with the 2 extra sprockets on the cassette? I don't really know too much about road cycling but slowly getting into it.
No it’s still 11 speed just different sizes on the cassette
Very possibly a longer chain as well.
Yeah mentioned that in the vid :)
@@KatieKookaburra Oooops.
This is why a good triple crankset needs to make a return. The only reason a triple was taken out is due to the bike snobs, "But froome doesn't ride a triple, so I am more like froome". No buddy, you aren't. It's simple physics.
Yeah there’s is snobbery - then here I am with me 40 haha :)
It was actually about costs. If you can phase out triples you save on costs. The 46/30 is two thirds of triples we ran back in the day. Campag made a 50/40/30 and hybrids and tourers often ran 46/36/
I mean if you can’t get up a climb with 11/34 max in the UK then what’s the point? Surely you have to suffer a bit that’s the whole fun
If suffering is that good run a 25 max sprocket and a 42 inner ring. You can suffer in the grand style of Lemond and Merckx. If you have 9 speed or more you will still have more gears than they did. Make it easier and more people will do it. Never heard anybody complain that their lowest gear was too low.
Mark Rushton sorry mr bike historian of know it all 101.
Hi Katie, I have an Ultegra R8000 same RD as yours, and I am planning to use an 11-speed 11-42t Deore Casette, with this goatlink extender would it be compatible?
Yes, I have a 46/30 chain ring 11-42 xt cassette with a wolftooth running R8000 on a giant tcr and it works fine no problems. I brought the parts to my local shop and they will look at you like your crazy but it can be done show them this video if they tell you it won’t be compatible.
Do you have any issues cross chaining with chain length being too long or too short?
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Do you luv and clean your chain Katie
Hey Katie, I’m looking to do something similar on my hybrid. Currently on 34/46 and 11-34T. Just moved to Seattle and the hills here are even too deadly for 1:1 ratio easiest gear. However I’m running a 2x9 Alivio, and I think RoadLink is only for 10, 11 speed. Would other brands (like ones on Amazon) work with 9 speed (these ones don’t specify the speeds)? Thanks!
Ooooh sorry I have no idea. Would have to contact the company and ask :)
Ooooh sorry I have no idea. Would have to contact the company and ask :)
Ooooh sorry I have no idea. Would have to contact the company and ask :)
Ooooh sorry I have no idea. Would have to contact the company and ask :)
@@KatieKookaburra that’s alright thanks. Some reviews of the RoadLink says they use it for 9 speed, so I guess it should be fine
Did you use a RoadLink or a mtb goatlink. It looks like a goat link
It's the Roadlink.
I am so keen to do this on my bike. Thanks for the video
Does that mean i only Need the Wolf tooth roadlink a langer ultegra chain and a Shimano XT 11-40 (or 42) casset. Or do i need more?
A longer chain to fit onto it as well :)
Katie Kookaburra thx
Hi Katie, I'm not sure if you'll see this, as your video is over a year old . . . I've an Ultegra Di2 34-50 with an 11-30T on the back. I really want to put an 11-34T on. Do you know (or anyone reading this post!) if this is possible? According to Shimano website, it says I can only go up to 11-32T.
I would say go GRX with a 46/30 up front - that gives you more climbing gears :)
@@KatieKookaburra Thanks so much for your speedy reply! Hi, you are a huge inspiration for me, so thank you!
I might have miss heard/misunderstood you on your video, but I thought you also rode with Ultegra 34/50, but had managed to alter your derailleur to a 11-40. I'm just trying to get a few more teeth on the cassette to make hills more pleasant on my road bike! I take your point about the GRX, but really don't want to change my whole groupset (hope that's the right terminology).
Wow nice..
Hi kate , enjoy your videos , so.....just to clarify, Im looking to swap out my 28 cassette for a 34 ....ive got the shimano 105 7000, so i will not need the longer derallier , just a longer chain ? Is that correct ? Thanks in advance .
Paul Sayer The GS (longer cage) version of the RD will take up to a 34. If you have the SS (short cage) it’s meant to be 28 maximum but you can usually use the B screw adjustment to fit a 32. Maybe a 34 will work too but definitely a new longer chain.👍
A short cage shimano with take a 34 cassette with the b-screw turned all the way in, but don't cross chain if your using that set up. Option 2 would get a shimano medium cage, that'll take a 34 without any hassle.
@@sdolman79 Thanks for that , I have the medioum cage so hopefully should be ok with a longer chain ?
@@paulsayer1857 Yes the 105 R7000 medium is 34t compatible out of the box it is basically the 105 equivalent to the Ultegra that Katie is using in the vid.
@@paulsayer1857 I'm doing the same. Looking at hg700 or 800 cassette. Shimano says it should be fine
That is not a Roadlink. It looks like the longer Goatlink. Can you check and confirm, please?
It’s the new version of the road link
@@KatieKookaburra, Not according to the website www.wolftoothcomponents.com , which I would have thought was the most up to date information????
@@Ricobass0 It's a RoadLink DM www.wolftoothcomponents.com/products/roadlink-dm
I have a triple. My fat arse still takes a helluva effort to get up hills though.
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Can u put a 40 cassette on a trek emonde alr5
Depends on the groupset.
Do you have any trouble if you start to cross chain at all?
Yeah crosschaining isn’t ever really good and same here, don’t really want to be doing it.
You lost me after the word 'Greetings' - I'm a newbie and i really, really need to get up to speed (no pun intended) on some of this technical stuff. Give me a wee while to catch up.... (and I''ll re-watch this video). Thanks though! LOL
What cassette spacer did you use?
It’s the one that comes with the cassette :) just a 11speed one will do it.
If in doubt, stick a 40 on it.
But.. I like grinding uphill...
Then stick with a 28 haha :)
@@KatieKookaburra when i started racing, i bought a tcr off ebay and the guy had it set up for time trialling, 53/42 chainset and a 11/21 cassette, needeless to say, first time up winnats pass and i nearly collapsed at the top, still cant believe i made it up, now compacts are here, 50/34 and 12/32 for the win :)
Noice 😂😂